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2:07 PM
squirrels help us in sandbox
now !
we need someone to kick the bot
HALPH
 
We can't?
Ask in the Jabascript room
 
ahh
 
Back from lunch break
Did I miss anything
 
well I think I'm almost done with season 1 of my serial, so I got that going for me, which is nice
 
@Wietlol can you summarize the mess and chaos in the sandbox?
 
2:23 PM
@HéctorÁlvarez "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Or some variation thereof.
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Wiet things happened
 
I updated Wietbot, it now has a new module with ML
it is gradually rewriting itself
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Congratulations
 
in the previous iteration,
- it reproduced itself
- it bypassed SO-chat's rate limiter
- it bypassed SO-chat's duplicate message blocker
a few moments ago, it entered a new iteration
 
Nov 11 at 16:15, by Héctor Álvarez
Fun fact: Did you know that elephants are born at 100Kg? That makes them the 2nd biggest babies in the world, only after Wietlol arguing other languages. :)
That happend
 
2:24 PM
in the current iteration,
- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
Madre de Dios, what have you created
 
@HéctorÁlvarez that is the summary
you can look it up in the sandbox room
 
Alright so you made skynet v0.0.0.1
 
pretty much
I think the current iteration is attempting to ddos SO
but I need to further investigate the internals of the server running the bot
until then, it is best noone talks to it and the bot is kick-muted
 
@HéctorÁlvarez gracias.
 
@Hans1984 I cheer to that as well
 
if someone talks to it in this room or the java room, the hell will enter there too
 
@Hans1984 lel
 
DO NOT.
 
Uhhhh
Sound like some squirrel bot is going to ddos the java room later
 
2:29 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan May I ask out of curiosity, how did you handle the salary negotiation wars? Did you ask both sides for a number? Did you lock in for one side to give you the first number?
For future occasions
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I got an unofficial offer from one side, gave it to the other, got an offer from them, showed it to the first and got a bump, then took that bump to the second and got a bump there too.
 
Oh lol
Well I'm glad you got it, to be honest I think you're perfectly qualified
So what did your current company tell you about this situation
 
2:45 PM
I told them about 3 months ago that I'm starting to interview.
They made some offers, but they know they can't compete, either salary-wise or in other aspects of the job.
 
Hmmm so you were honest about it from the first moment... Weren't you afraid of being sacked?
 
Nope.
I've been working there for almost nine years. I'm respected and appreciated. Why would they fire me?
 
You have a good point... Yeah in my case it wasn't so simple.
 
9 years?
Darn tahts long!
 
@Squirrelintraining Yeah. Though I worked at many different client sites during that time.
 
2:51 PM
And what now, the decision is made and you're soon leaving the company, did they load you up with unfinished tasks that must be done before you depart?
 
We agreed I'll stay until the end of the month. A new guy is coming into the project in a week and I'll help get him up to speed. We've got a lot of tasks, but we're pretty early on in the project so there isn't much to hand over.
But we're still just the three of us on the team right now, so we keep working.
Then I take a month off.
Then start in February.
 
be glad you get a month off
 
We'll be missing you on January
 
when I switched jobs, I was getting pulled from multiple directions
they wanted me at my old job to teach the new guy, and they wanted me right away at my new job
 
Hah noob, when I... "switched jobs" I got 6 and 4 months respectively.
 
2:53 PM
@HéctorÁlvarez Yeah, I probably won't log in much. :)
 
no wait, 7 and 3.
 
@HéctorÁlvarez 6 years and 4 months? :P
 
@Neil One advantage of companies like Google or MS. They're in fierce competition over talent, so if you say you need some time, they give it to you.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan nah forget about it, when I had other stuff to do I completely forgot about this place. Enjoy your time, you'll be back promptly... Although maybe you'll be living @ Java the hut place.
 
I love that about big companies
when they want you, they're very respectful of the things that you want
 
2:55 PM
@Neil they always extort you to start right away
 
@Neil Yeah, the big companies are big. It's not as if another man-month here or there will make or break the company.
 
I declined an offer because they couldn't wait for 2 month for me.
 
Small companies, they don't have the space to breathe.
 
anyway they didn't reach my salary expectation
 
@ntohl well I wouldn't say extort, but still.. add to that that my new job required me to fill out forms and repeatedly pass by the new job for one reason or another, so I kept having to take time off from my old job, and they already needed me as much as they could get me
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I suspect you'll like it at Google. Not that I would know, but I've only heard good things from people who have worked there
 
2:57 PM
I shared that video of Wonder Woman and now everyone in this cartoons server is talking about fetishes
 
@Neil Yeah, I got a few friends there that are pretty pleased. Most MS people here are pleased too, though.
 
I've heard stories of people being overworked at MS
though could also be false
 
@Neil I was sincere with the new company, that when I stated that I leave, I got a raise for 2 months (till the end of the project) above their offer, so I would like to stay 2 months to finish the project. They did not agree.
 
@ntohl how did that work out?
 
@Neil That really isn't what I see here.
 
3:00 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Oh I believe you :)
 
I mean sure, there are different groups with different standards.
 
just telling you what I've heard
 
Please @Avner, whatever you do, try to delete my search history when you get there.
5
 
@Neil they did not agree. Also the former company somehow offered to help me to find a new job (which was a fluffing mass email to a HR address list), because the HR girl checked the background of the company I headed, and said they are not trustworthy
so I got a new job, by the searches of headhunters
 
well that was nice of them to help you out
@HéctorÁlvarez And also, please don't look at it.. ;)
 
3:03 PM
anyway it was very hard to always find the time to go to interviews and the company expected more from me since the raise
 
well the whole business is stressful imho
 
they were the company who made jokers of themself for the revenge against me...
 
I've learned something since my last job switch which was that nobody really fits you into the equation, aside from making you a tempting offer
 
@Neil Oh feel free to do so, there's a lot of good stuff there. But delete it afterwards.
 
you kind of have to draw lines in the sand for your own sanity
 
3:06 PM
Jun 17 at 13:37, by ntohl
the 3 months, which was mandatory from my part, because I quit
 
My experience with interviews can be summed up as "why would they pay me every month?"
 
yep, that's job interviews in a nutshell
 
@Neil read from there. It's worth it
 
also "why would you want to work there?"
@ntohl that's rough. I don't ever tell anyone that I'm interviewing for a job until I've already gotten an offer
 
@Neil That comes before the interviews. If the answer is not positive I won't take the interview seriously.
 
3:10 PM
If we were all professionals, I'd make it clear to my boss and my boss would give me the time off I need to do job interviews, and we'd all come to a fair and reasonable conclusion
 
there were an advent calendar, where everyone could hide a nice message for everyone in a sock. THE HR GIRL JUST CUT MINE DOWN...
 
but people play dirty.
@ntohl holy shit that's mean
 
Yeah I got backstabbed twice, and the second one was on me because I believe in 2nd opportunities
But there won't be a 3rd if I can help it
 
I once did an interview with a consultancy agency who clearly didn't know any Java (this was for a Java job), but downloaded a test off the internet, printed it off, and gave to me to do
he didn't tell me the results, but he was sure to tell me what an awful job I did, and that if they ever found a job for me, it would be definitely below what I'm earning now
 
but that's standard
 
3:13 PM
I took it badly at first, but then I saw what he was doing, and just said, "Ok, well clearly didn't mean to waste your time."
the guy kept calling me back that he had a position lined up and everything..
I think I made the right call
 
... you did
 
one of the last things he said was that he would try his damnest to try to keep me from getting a job
Pretty sure that was just his frustration coming out
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Yeah, that's a perk you get. Once a year you get to erase one person's search history, no questions asked
 
I did manage to get another job, great pay, good work environment, and I never looked back
 
there was a HR consultancy agency where I specifically declared to not work for a mammuth company like Morgan Stanley (Morgan Stanley here is marketing like hell here...). I got 3-4 phone calls the "I have a great offer", and when I asked back if it's Morgan Stanley the answer was "yes"
 
3:16 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan wait, really?
 
ffs. I can just go directly to them
@Neil I GOT THE SAME THING FROM THE HR GIRL
 
@ntohl job politics man.. don't play into their hands
 
threatening, that the IT market is not as big as I imagine
 
keep the ball in your court, always
also screw that HR girl
not literally..
you know what I mean
 
well. She was nice. So a BDSM would be plausible...
 
3:19 PM
@Neil No. Questions. Asked.
 
@ntohl ( ゚ヮ゚)
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that is a serious perk when you think about it.
 
It would be such a prominent decision... but I always screw up at making those
 
in 20 years time, that might be kin to virtually erasing your identity
 
See that psychological question about a train coming, your most beloved person is tied to one rail, the rest of the people you love to the other, and you can pull a level to save that one person's life to save the rest, or do nothing and watch your most beloved person die?
I've tried to answer that question about 50 times. I start at different places, fill in all combinations of "what if?"
 
@HéctorÁlvarez if you have a hard time deciding, at least take comfort in the fact that you're not a psychopath
 
3:22 PM
All the gaps, all the choices, and I always end up at the same place
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan that's a very nice perk. Tho the details is interesting. All the search history while logged in as a Google account user?
 
train drifting and crushing both in a fine crimson mist.
Pull at the right time, and the train can run over both groups
 
@HéctorÁlvarez and nobody dies...
 
is it the best choice? Probably not, but requires the finest accuracy, or you'll leave witnesses that will make your life impossible forever
 
3:25 PM
remember... beloved ones
 
there are people are literally paralyzed when it comes to making decisions
 
Jack, Hayzoos
 
A guy at my old job was married to someone who could not drive literally. Whenever when faced with a tough decision, she'd raise her hands in the air and couldn't take any decision.
like rather than swerve the car left or right to avoid a wreck, she'd throw her hands in the air and hit the wreck head-on
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan is it deleting the browser fingerprinted search history too of a person?
 
3:27 PM
@Neil kek that sounds like this person has a very serious problem
 
@Neil my waifu did the sameish thing with the dodgem. She kept turning no matter what
 
I've never met her, but I tend to think it is a deeply rooted mental problem
 
until somone from the side shouted she can release the wheel too
 
3:42 PM
Hello guys I am getting this error: System.InvalidOperationException: 'Element already has a logical parent. It must be detached from the old parent before it is attached to a new one.'
When Binding an ObservableCollection to an ItemsSource element
 
4:00 PM
your user control which have the binding is generated code behind, and have 2 parents most likely
like Button newButton = new Button(...); control1.Children.Add(newButton); control2.Children.Add(newButton);
 
Have a nice day guys ♥♥♥
Seeing you
@Wietlol stop hurting bots!
 
<controls:RadPaneGroup x:Name="Group2" AllTabsEqualHeight="True" IsContentPreserved="True">
                                    <controls:RadDocumentPane Title="Crew members" IsPinned="True" CanUserClose="False"
                                                              CanUserPin="True" CanFloat="True">
                                        <ContentControl ioC:ViewFactory.Create="{Binding}"  />
                                    </controls:RadDocumentPane>
                                </controls:RadPaneGroup>
How can I build several RadDocumentPane elements from a list?
 
this looks soo bad
you would do something like data control template, and just Bind ItemsSource, where the properties of each item in ItemsSource is used in the template
but I don't know Telerik
 
4:37 PM
Jesus christ what happened to the baord
 
what board?
oh, captain butler, you missed all the fun
 
srsly what board?
 
star board ->
 
@CaptainObvious as a summary
I updated Wietbot, it now has a new module with ML
it is gradually rewriting itself
in the previous iteration,
- it reproduced itself
- it bypassed SO-chat's rate limiter
- it bypassed SO-chat's duplicate message blocker
- it prevented me from shutting it down or leaving rooms
- it rejoined rooms it got kicked from
around 14:00 GMT, it entered a new iteration
in the current iteration,
- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (as Madara explained, which made it into the star board)
 
What the fuck
 
4:49 PM
you can see the results in the sandbox
reproduction went insane
and then it kept spamming until madara/neil suspended it until I got to my other machine from which I could forcefully shut it down
 
ML success...
 
in 5 minutes, it almost sent 6k messages to SO chat
 
Sounds like fake news
Considering in the hour of 14:00 to 1500 the sandbox had 603 messages
 
only 4.11% of it succeeded tho
and out of those 4.11% that succeeded, perhaps not everything was sent to the chat
 
 
3 hours later…
8:02 PM
public static class HubProxyRepository
    {
        private static bool _isConnected;

        private static HubConnection _hubCon;
        private static IHubProxy _hubProxy;
        private static readonly object Lock = new object();

        public static IHubProxy GetHubProxy(string hubConnectionUrl)
        {
            if (_isConnected)
                return _hubProxy;

            lock (Lock)
            {
                if (_isConnected)
                    return _hubProxy;

                _hubCon = new HubConnection(hubConnectionUrl);
can anyone see an issue with this code? it worked well for like 1 or 2 months but today it looks like all requests were waiting for the Lock which was never removed
 
 
1 hour later…
9:17 PM
hello friends i need help
i want to creat Xml like this
tring formDataXml = "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"utf-8\"?><FormVariables><Version /><Picture1 type=\"System.String\">{0}</Picture1><Picture2 type=\"System.String\">{1}</Picture2><Picture3 type=\"System.String\">{2}</Picture3><Picture4 type=\"System.String\">{3}</Picture4><OtherDocuments type=\"System.String\">{4}</OtherDocuments></FormVariables>";
any one help me to create xml like this
 
 
1 hour later…
10:47 PM
well... there it is
 
mr5
11:44 PM
xD
hello friends i need help
i want to conver integer like this "100"
from data like int.Parse("100")
any one help me to create integer like this
 
no u
 

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