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9:02 AM
You mean "shout harder"?
 
y-yes...
 
What have you been doing for the last month
Although I'm kinda feeling the same, I've been twatting about with infrastructure for ages and it's been winding me up, I'm happy I'm getting back to code
 
A couple of weeks working mostly in VSCode, then a couple of weeks doing some POCs, most of the code in Databricks notebooks online. Then three weeks of vacation.
 
Not really, no. We're back to POCs in Databricks, but I wanted to write a small util, so I defaulted to C#.
Normality... will take a while. On all fronts.
 
9:13 AM
:(
 
Seeing as I'm also looking for a new job right now. I have no idea when "normality" will kick in.
 
what are you looking for? not that I am offering
I mean I dont have anything to offer
 
A senior developer position in one of the larger tech companies. I'm tired of doing consulting/contract work, I'm not looking for small/medium startups, and I'm really not looking for big enterprisey companies like banks or big software houses like Amdocs/etc.
 
pardon my french but fuck amdocs
heard enough stories about that place
 
Yup. Terrible workplace for 99% of the people there.
Terrible conditions and work culture, too.
BRB - lunch.
 
9:57 AM
Literally never even heard of them
 
guess why
 
I mean, I googled them and they do have 2 UK offices
 
I knew of them because there's an amdocs office in Reading that one can see from the train
 
The math checks out
 
They're a very big Israeli company that does billing systems for lots of companies worldwide.
 
10:05 AM
in the same market as Sage and SAP?
 
Dunno Sage. SAP does a lot of things - their core product is an ERP, isn't it? So not quite.
 
According to street view Amdocs isn't in that building anymore
 
Amdocs are responsible for those arcane and byzantine billing systems that let your cellphone network invent spurious charges based on unclear conditions.
 
Based on the fact alone that teh sign isn't on the building anymore
Sage is an accounting software company primarily who basically print money they make so much profit
 
@CaptainObvious Yeah, those are the sort of companies I'm avoiding. The ones that make enterprise software, and whose corporate cultures are usually very corporate.
 
10:07 AM
Ironically though they're overdue filing their accounts
You wouldn't want to work for sage
 
Whereas startups tend to swing to far in the other direction. I've worked with too many that had trouble grasping the concept of "process" in software development.
 
The core product is a winforms app
Its so astoundingly buggy I don't actually know what they spend their time on
 
So that's why I'm angling for one of the big tech companies. They usually strike a middle ground between corporate (processes, regulation, stability) while still having better technologies and better office culture.
@CaptainObvious Printing money, of course.
 
Seriously though, look at their 2017 accounts
 
I'm guessing they've cornered the market, for a complicated and hard-to-replicate business domain (arcane accounting regulations), and thus can get away with being "the accounting system that you're legally allowed to use".
 
10:10 AM
£304m revenue, £295m gross profit
And with a ludicrous £133m net profit, of which they took a £100m dividend
Imagine being able to take 30% of your revenue as a dividend
And still have a very healthy remaining profit
 
Revenue                    	(Increase)£ 1,857 million (2018)[1]
Operating income                (Increase) £ 504 million (2018)[1]
Net income                      (Decrease) £ 295 million (2018)[1]
 
I'm guessing that's sage group? I was just looking at sage uk as they're the ones we send our money to
 
Yeah, that's the parent corp.
 
btw I dont really think there are big tech companies in israel
 
Pretty hefty, yes. Though I've recently been walked through Microsoft's last financial report and that was pretty impressive too.
 
10:14 AM
except microsoft/google
and um i guess a few in ramat ahayal
 
@misha130 Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon for first-tier companies. Then there are plenty of second-tier as well. Dropbox, Wix which are pretty big these days, and several others I've forgotten, but I did make a list. :)
 
I didnt even realize amazon & facebook have bases here
 
Oh, Apple have an R&D center as well, but not very big.
@misha130 Both are relatively new - past 2-3 years, I think.
 
oh ok
I am really not in the know I guess
 
There's Intel as well, though that's really not the style I'm looking for. A lot of large hardware/network companies as well.
 
10:17 AM
yes a lot of students I hear go to embedded
 
Intel love employing engineering students.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan even established enterprises do that sometimes
planning is "too expensive"
requirements analysis is "making it complicated"
just write something
 
@TomW Sure, you can find it everywhere. But in my experience as a contractor with many companies in the past decade or so, large tech companies (as opposed to large companies which also do tech, a different beast) do usually have software processes in place.
 
What do you do when a client habitually rushes, won't allocate the right resources soon enough to do the job properly, then complains when the product is a mess but refuses to change anything
 
Companies which are mostly hardware companies who also have software departments (things like Cisco and such) often fall into that trap - the companies aren't strategically software companies, and so software processes and practices aren't given strategic focus.
 
10:22 AM
I think software processes or practices arent understood
or misunderstood
what I am trying to say is that software companies have 30 years of experience doing this and understand why we do things the way we do
 
I'm fine with misunderstood practices, as long as they're not catastrophically misunderstood. No-one ever gets everything right, and that's fine, there's always room for improvement. But if the company actively pushes for software development processes and is willing to fix things that aren't working, that's already much better than a company that doesn't, strategically, sees it as a thing at all, and the R&D department has to try to push it in from the bottom up.
Imperfect processes are better than no process, at least for me.
 
yea well you are right I know exactly what you mean
 
I'm told Facebook's R&D center has a relatively large group working on Libra, which some people are excited about, but I don't think I want to work for Facebook, and even less so on Libra.
 
is it that time of week where hector avner is looking for a new job?
 
Looks like it
 
10:37 AM
speaking of which, where is our other yellow diamond?
 
time of the week?
really?
phew I need a new job too, its been 3 years in the same company
so sick of politics
 
I've been here 4 years next week
I'm usually quite happy
 
10:56 AM
I've been at the same company for the past 8 years, but a a consultant and contractor, so my actual projects varied between 6-18 months, usually, at different client sites.
I've been quite happy too. But I'm tired of contracting.
 
 
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12:22 PM
Can someone advise me how I can detect if a string is a female or males name?
The only way I can think right now is to make a large list of names and check if the list contains them, but I feel like there could be an easier way.
 
uhm... you dont
 
I don't see how else you could
 
how about names that are both male and female?
 
^
You might be able to find a cloud service that does sentiment analysis which understands this
 
I mean, is there a NuGet package that is usually good for this type of thing?
 
12:26 PM
but you could only do it probabilistically
real question is why do you want to do this?
 
I want to filter the genders to separate collections.
 
Why?
What will you do for example if the algorithm comes back with "don't know" or "could be either"?
 
How about names which are male in some places and female in another? What about spellings you don't expect? Are you thinking in a global scale? You can't know all names, or even close to it.
The question is, why are you doing this?
What do you hope to gain, and also, as importantly, what's your failure model? If your app systematically misgenders certain names, it might seriously annoy your users - a lot more than any gains you might get by streamlining some data entry process.
 
Are there cultures that have no notion of the gendering of names? I'm sure there are
 
@TomW Beat me to it. :)
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Q: Are there any languages or cultures that have genderless given names?

RobustoIn the U.S. where I live it is possible to be right almost all of the time when guessing the sex of a person from his or her given name: Ronald, George (Sand and Elliot notwithstanding), William, Michael (Learned notwithstanding), Warren and Chuck are all men's names, while Emily, Christine, Jasm...

There are a lot of unisex names in Hebrew. More and more in recent years.
 
12:36 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan well I meant where all or almost all names as a rule are ungendered, such that the question wouldn't be understood
 
What about trans people
What about unisex names
 
most cultures presumably overload some names
 
Etc
Actually yeah that falsehoods post is a fairly solid one
 
what about vons vans grafs and the like
What about names that are spelled identically but pronounced differently and are considered different words? (Do those exist?)
 
@TomW I think that for the question to be strange, you'll have to find a culture where gender itself is far less dominant than it is as a social signifier, and I don't think you have those.
 
12:40 PM
English has loads of unisex names
Every language probably has loads of unisex names
 
@TomW The Polish form of Michael is "Michal", while in Hebrew, "Michal" is a feminine name.
(Yes, the Polish uses Å‚ and not l, but the letter Å‚ is often transcribed to standard Latin l)
@notatroll: Again, what is this for?
 
That username though
!!hmmmmmmmmm
 
@CaptainObvious Yeah, I am ever suspicious, but am willing to engage in good faith until proven otherwise.
 
12:43 PM
tweets don't onebox now?
 
Did they ever?
 
Maybe because of the edit.
I think twitter accounts don't onebox.
nope.
 
If it did previously, Twitter probably changed their API
We all know how much attention Stack Chat gets for things like thisd
 
I'm probably spoiled by Slack
btw I like remarking that X "has no notion of" Y
it makes people make funny faces
 
Ok, since the OP hasn't engaged a single comment, question or clarification of ours, even those made before some of their own comments, so I think it's safe to assume nothing good will come of this. :)
 
1:28 PM
@TomW Chinese/Japanese, to an extent
 
Names are generally picked with a combination of Kanji, with a meaning that the parents choose. And the same name pronunciation can mean different things depending on which Kanji you use to write it.
So while you would find less "Badass Dragon" girls than boys, the notion is rather blurry.
(Each Kanji is one* syllable, that also carries a meaning. There are multiple Kanji per syllable and multiple Kanji per meaning. It's a fun language)
 
Apart from the naming kids part, sounds fairly similar to english tbh
 
mr5
1:48 PM
sums up my first year of learning programming
 
@mr5 hey man
@mr5 lol why are you online on a sunday
 
mr5
I'm always here
also, my social life is meh
 
lets grab some drinks
 
mr5
wer u at?
 
lol
 
mr5
2:01 PM
I just realized it's a dumb slang lol
I googled it just now
 
@mla.
im already drinking tho
 
mr5
you don't have work tomorrow?
 
@mr5 i do.
 
mr5
@TomW does that sound douchey?
 
does what sound douchey?
 
2:04 PM
pouring myself a few while typing away on my laptop
 
mr5
@TomW the slang "wer u at"
 
not particularly
 
mr5
some examples from urban dictionary are derogatory
@c0dem0nkey you brought your laptop in a bar?
 
@mr5 no im @ my house. sipping whisky.
 
mr5
banayad whisky
 
2:06 PM
@mr5 would it be better if ill be using a library just to create a bottom nav bar for xamarin forms?
@mr5 not that. held a real one in my hands tho hahahahaha
 
mr5
@c0dem0nkey last time we checked, there was no library for it yet. If there is already, I guess you better use that. But if you think it needs more customization, I'd suggest you implement it yourself. It's fairly simple
I have example from my gist
It was named "RaisedBottomNavigation". I changed it now cuz people here find it funny
 
lol that punny.
thats
 
Fucking Oracle
 
mr5
whoa there
I wonder what offspring you two would produce
@c0dem0nkey play this while drinking: youtube.com/watch?v=SPUJIbXN0WY
 
I tried to add Mysql.Data to my project
And the nuget package was like "no deps" and I was like "oh cool"
And then I ran it and then it was all "Wahh missing lib
so I added the missing lib and tried aagain
And then I ran it and then it was all "wahh missing lib
so I added the missing lib and tried again
and then i ran it again and then it was all "wann missing lib"
And then I went "fuck it, fuck tou" etc
 
mr5
2:20 PM
maybe you didn't install enough package
you need 200+ packages to at least run one of its lib
 
Nah it's just retarded
Its fine
 
mr5
Also, are you doing C#?
 
I updated to a version we aren't familiar with and the dependencies work on it
 
where did you get that it has no dependencies?
 
I mean it's got about a trillion dependencies
But it works
 
2:21 PM
NETFramework 4.5.2
No dependencies.
ah. This version lists itself wrongly
 
mr5
Oracle also build .NET libs?
 
Our libs are built around 6.9.9 so I figured 6.9.12 was close enough
Turns out 8.0.17 also works (so far)
And that actually has dependencies filled in
 
ah that makes more sense
 
mr5
Why don't you guys switch to .NET Core already?
 
2:22 PM
yeah so someone published a broken package huh
 
I am on .net core
 
mr5
MySql instead of EF Core. Hmm
But why is there a .NET Framework?
 
6.9.9 works on fullfx, I've never tried it on core
 
@mr5 you can't just change everything whenever you want if you do real work for a company that cares about what things cost
 
Yeah we're in the middle of our first "netcore" project
 
mr5
2:23 PM
@TomW we did actually
 
I say "netcore" with the quotes because it still leans hard on our framework lib which is fullfx
 
mr5
Right after the release of .NET Core 2.0
Every new project will now be implemented using .NET Core.
Oth, .NET Framework will still be maintained
@CaptainObvious right. I think it's also easy to type
 
the more likely case is that there's no justification to touch a project that's feature-complete, not when the change entails a full re-test
 
@mr5 lol @ michael buble
 
3:24 PM
hey guys
 
3:45 PM
I htink I found my new favourite thing
That thing being ElasticSearch
 
any one can suggest IIS administration course?
 
4:37 PM
Is it possible to check if a ConcurrentQueue already has a string in it? I want it to be distinct and need to check before enquiing
 
5:11 PM
@notatroll it implements IEnumerable<T> so yes you can use Enumerable.Contains
but it doesn't feel like the right choice of data structure to me if you need to do that
 
5:23 PM
the ideal data structure for your case is a linked hash map
it has O(1) search and O(1) queue operations
 
5:53 PM
hmm... this is a fun unit test
"if calling this function 4 consecutive times without error (where the input is always the output of the previous function call), it works"
 
6:13 PM
that's what the test tests?
any reason that a 4th order solution is important?
 
6:45 PM
not really
but if the 4th call succeeds, it asserts that two things are equal
which are the internal and external versions
its a parser
and what it parses is the grammar of the parser
the internal parser is the parser written in code
the external parser is the parser written in a grammar file
 
7:36 PM
yo ddawg i heard you like bootstrapping
 
 
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user8331407
9:04 PM
hello guys
 
user47589
Hello
 
This is from a 7 years old article about priority queue: "Each child node has a priority value greater than or equal to the priority value of the parent node. There are two things going on here: the fact that the highest priority node is at the root of a binary heap means it can always be found immediately." is there a typo?
Hello all!
 
user47589
What are you thinking is the typo?
 
I think it must be: "Each child node has a priority value LESS than or equal to the priority value of the parent node..."
it's a min-heap
so the first (root) is the highest priority and every level down is less
 
user47589
Ah, yes. I think you're correct
 
9:39 PM
A question from someone has just started learning CS fundamentals:
why are there some CS terms that are always combined with "binary": binary heap, binary search.. etc. I mean, everything in the computer is a binary-based already. right?
 
 
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11:19 PM
So two databases on one server. EF Core in a web API. Is this a good solution? Or is it better to query DB one. Then use a foreach loop to gather the rest of the data? stackoverflow.com/a/26922902
Im basically dealing with a users database with usernames, log in audit and so on. With a back end database which holds more info on the user such as address.
 
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