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7:00 PM
@SterlingArcher why am i surprised
 
You're being such a non-pillow
 
He's a pillowphobe.
 
as long as the pillow consents
 
The pillow always consents, trust me.
 
user7480455
Russia as attacked in the caucus
 
7:01 PM
 
Exactly!
 
well then
 
user7480455
I think that is in response to north Atlantic treaty organization expansion
 
user7480455
but in the last 35 to 20 years the US has been on the aggressive footing
 
@KevinMaxwell Hrmm...
 
7:02 PM
yes
 
lol labia
 
user7480455
maybe that is why americans have divided in to camps.. that you are on a war footing and cannot get along with each other... it is unclear
 
user7480455
i hope it stops
 
Hey, Trump hasn't started the camps yet
 
Here's a war sentiment, annex Canada. It is rightful American clay.
 
7:04 PM
Nah, fuck Canada. They can keep their frozen tundra and beavers.
 
@KevinMaxwell Hrmm... Let me check something out. Hang on.
 
I would love it if they took back their Geese, then they come here in the winter they hang around in parks and intimidate everyone.
 
@mikeTheLiar Not that you know of...
 
!!commands
 
7:05 PM
@Sometowngeek That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
!!/help
 
@Sometowngeek Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
!!/listcommands
 
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!!🍆
 
Sorry, I just saw that and was curious.
 
lol
It is clearly a penis
 
!!sippy
 
!!info sippy
 
7:07 PM
@mikeTheLiar Command sippy, created by Rvervuurt on Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:47:34 GMT
 
user7480455
can you eat the geese in Canada?
 
posted on June 21, 2017 by Scott Hanselman

I've got a personal Surface Pro 3 that I like very much. It's worked great for years and I haven't had any issues with it. However, yesterday while installing a 3rd party USB device something got goofed around with the drivers and I ended up in this state. That "banged out" device in my Device Manager is the root Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller for the Surface. That means everything&n

 
@KevinMaxwell I'm checking out one room... hang on.
 
Thanks
 
Also how is !!listcommands not too long to post in chat?
 
7:08 PM
@mikeTheLiar looks multiline
 
Does adding newlines reset the character counter?
I did not know that.
 
basically yes
 
It is too long. They truncate it and add "click to view full text"
Never mind...
 
@Failsafe anything else you can think of?
 
@Sometowngeek no, there is literally a hard limit where you can't post your message if it's past a certain length
 
7:10 PM
I realized that after I sent the message. :)
 
user7480455
I had duck back in '57 it just felt like the wrong thing to do... I would imagine
geese taste like duck
 
>back in '57
how old are you
 
It changes by the day
But he pretty consistently claims to be in his 80s
 
@mikeTheLiar I've seen 70s
 
user7480455
7:13 PM
my good buddy mike is here...
 
@KendallFrey You've seen the 70s? You look like you are in the early 20s.
 
sigh
 
Does this mean he's going to un-ignore me?
 
user7480455
how old are you Kendall?
 
user7480455
7:16 PM
born in the 70's?
 
I dunno, mike.
 
I was born in 73
 
user7480455
hi hyper
 
user7480455
ok you are a young buck...I have you by 30+ years
 
7:18 PM
@KendallFrey no way you've seen the 70s anywhere else then on the screen
 
user7480455
you would be in your 40's now...
 
You must be 28 MAX
 
@KamilSolecki That's CLEARLY not what I meant
 
user7480455
in 73' I was a wild fellow
 
7:19 PM
@KendallFrey oh yeah I didn't read before that
 
user7480455
on my second marriage I think
 
you guys, it's so painfully obvious that 007 is a troll, how do you not get this?
 
user7480455
codeman who are you??
 
user7480455
have we ever talked? how are you going to make such a statement??
 
@Codeman in what sense? No one believes his age
 
user7480455
7:21 PM
this is why I igg people
 
user7480455
you cant say hello before you start a fight or damage someone
 
@Codeman aged like a fine cucumber
 
igg?
 
also why he gets kicked so much
 
@Failsafe igg = ignore
 
7:22 PM
iggnore
 
user7480455
these guys know what I am,,, they don't need you tell them
 
oh
 
also why I pretty much just use the Slack instead lol
 
@007 korean spy that is!
 
@Sometowngeek I updated my code. Maybe providing a little more information will help others to understand my point.
 
7:23 PM
@KevinMaxwell I am waiting to hear from another room.
 
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Q: How to create a cross reference check?

Kevin MaxwellTLDR: I am trying to display a reference from Case A to Case B and I want Case B to be able to recognize there is a reference from Case A. In my application, I have a section where I connect Cases to each other in order to see their relationships (ex. Brother, Sister and etc.) This section is ca...

 
@007 I'm a room owner here, have been for like 6+ years...
I pop in from time to time...
 
No rush, I have been waiting since Monday, I will wait a little more ;)
 
@KevinMaxwell If you want, you can hang out in this room and maybe someone will answer too. The Heap -- Chatroom for DBAs.
 
user7480455
yeah cool codeman... by why spread disharmony sir
 
7:24 PM
007 is like Jhonny Sins, he's been a pilot, an astronomer and everything else.
 
I have to leave in a few minutes.
Got an event to attend.
 
Thanks, please live your life :)
 
user7480455
people seem to have fun here sometimes... they talk about mothers and stuff and you come in here an say Iam a bad guy... I am old I am forgetful and I am a teacher... to these you bucks..
 
because we get in trouble for being off topic :)
 
user7480455
oh I see
 
7:25 PM
What do you teach, 007?
 
user7480455
sorry to the roomate...
 
@Sometowngeek astronomy duh.
 
astrology *
 
user7480455
yeah back in '66
 
NINETEEN AUGHT SEVEN
 
7:26 PM
Duh? I don't remember constellations being mentioned here >.>
 
user7480455
astronomy
 
@Sometowngeek he said once he was an astronomer in the 70s? Think it was 70s
 
@Nerdintraining Yeah, except IQueryable doesn't have IndexOf.
 
user7480455
my area of study was Main Sequence Stars
 
@007 If I clench a walnut between my buttcheeks really hard, what is the probability of that matter being condensed down enough to create a black hole?
 
user7480455
7:27 PM
lol
 
k, this is dumb, going back to Slack :D
 
user7480455
you are a very interesting person hilli
 
@hilli_micha I can tell you what is the probability of it popping into your blackhole though.
 
user7480455
there is no such thing as black holes
 
oh right
 
7:28 PM
@KamilSolecki I missed that :(
 
user7480455
and before you doubt me... have you seen one?
 
Too late, already doubted you on this one.
 
user7480455
I know some one told you they existed so you believe them
 
We're* working on it - eventhorizontelescope.org * as in the human species, not me.
 
user7480455
and thats okay
 
7:29 PM
@007 Have you ever seen me? I don't exist.
 
user7480455
yeah I have you have your picture there mate
 
@hilli_micha where we're going, we don't need eyes telescopes
 
user7480455
which troubles me
 
@007 that's just photoshopped
 
@KendallFrey Oh dude, he just called you ugly over the internet.
 
user7480455
7:30 PM
oh ok I feel better
 
user7480455
no he is not
 
user7480455
he is very handsome
 
@007 You feel fine about talking to someone who doesn't exist?
 
user7480455
he has on a handsome gentlemens blouse and will trimmed hair and all
 
@mikeTheLiar Where are we going? I feel like I am missing a joke and I am so sorry for being a buzzkill on it.
 
user7480455
7:31 PM
i am not talking to you kendall
 
user7480455
I am typing to something that is typing back
 
user7480455
I can;t be rude
 
!!tell hilli imdb event horizon
 
@hilli Something went on fire; status 403
 
ffs
 
7:32 PM
@007 The thing that is typing back doesn't exist
 
Hi there. I never use Access. I've got a DB that's in like "Form Mode" or something and I can't get to the underlying schema. How to I toggle that so I can design the schema again? Thanks
 
@John You may be in the wrong chat room
 
user7480455
I know accss
 
user7480455
access
 
7:33 PM
A quote from the movie is "where we're going, we don't need eyes"
 
user7480455
i can help you
 
Cool ty
 
user7480455
can you make a chat room and we can chat one on one
 
@KendallFrey Yeah but I knew someone here would know lol
 
@mikeTheLiar I am deeply sorry, I didn't see that movie!
 
7:33 PM
You should watch it, it's good
 
@007 mm getting hot in here
 
If you're into deep-space horror movies at least
 
user7480455
what do you mean>?
 
@007 How do I do that?
lol
 
user7480455
I don't know how
 
user7480455
7:34 PM
I did not wantto upset these guys with of topic stuff
 
user7480455
lets go to the sql chat room
 
@007 just go ahead here. They were talking about IMDB so they lost all claim to on topic in the C# room lol
 
Excuse me, we were talking about Event Horizons, which is clearly relevant to C#.
 
user7480455
easy lets not upset them with harsh words
 
user7480455
stand by
 
7:36 PM
@hilli_micha What's Event Horizons?
 
user7480455
 
@John A movie in this context lol
 
Offtop: Does anybody here like / use fountain pens?
 
@KamilSolecki oh yes
I have a Cross that I'm quite fond of
I think it's this one? cross.com/en/products/419-1
Which reminds me, I think I need to get ink
 
Nice!
The way it writes
absolutely perfect
And Im using this ink:
 
7:43 PM
 
I have Jade and Topaz
 
mother_of_god.jpg
 
remove two zeros LOL
it didnt translate well
XDDD
 
I know, I just like the idea of you using a 50k pen
 
7:45 PM
I used to have a Waterford back in school but unfortunately it was lost
 
I can strongly recommend the Ink I use
it looks really good IRL
I can snap a pic, wait
 
I forgot it in a classroom, someone else found it and used it until it ran out of ink then threw it away
 
user7480455
so where is that handsome kendall at.. does he still exist?
 
Guys, I'm in trouble to realize a binding to a nullable double property. Anyone can help me?
 
@007 no
 
7:50 PM
@mikeTheLiar Thats how the ink presents itself irl
 
Assume I have a task t that is invoked in function f. Function f can still return even if task t hasn't returned, correct?
 
someone can recommend a simple db to store local file name before upload them? I think about sqlite and access mdb, but not sure if there is a better option
 
@Nathvi that's an imprecise terminology if I ever saw one
 
this is for windows desktop, net4....
 
@Nathvi yes
that's the whole point of async code
 
7:53 PM
@KendallFrey, that's what I thought. Thank you.
 
other languages call Tasks "futures", it's a funny name, but it explains what it does better
 
@milleniumbug also promises
 
as in "this will contain a value at some point in the future"
 
also IO
 
@Nathvi sure,the task will fire and it can run indefinately. If that wasn't the case, there would be no way to actually do stuff separately
 
7:54 PM
yeah, TaskCompletionSource -> "promise"
 
@KamilSolecki, sweet
I'm going back through our codebase and realizing there's so much crap
 
When should I use DateTime.UtcNow vs Dateime.Now?
 
@KevinMaxwell Hey Kev, are you around?
I think they're trying to help you out in the other room.
 
@Euridice01 one is UTC other is your local timezone
also use Noda Time if you want to deal with dates more often
 
@KevinMaxwell I'm heading out... But I'll keep my tabs open and check in when I get back tonight
 
user7480455
8:07 PM
you come back to work>
 
user7480455
after leaving work?
 
After my event. I am not working today :)
 
user7480455
ok you still come here on your time off
 
user7480455
have a good event
 
I am trying to be in this room as often as I can :)
 
user7480455
8:09 PM
wow
 
I'll be almost MIA when school kicks off again.
 
user7480455
ooh ok
 
user7480455
yes lots of smart people here
 
This is amusing.
Later :)
 
I'm sure it is if you can read spanish
 
user7480455
8:11 PM
bye
 
the power of google translate or SpanishDict :D
 
user7480455
so I asked this yesterday maybe some one here today will have some ideas
 
And if I had the dialog in text, I'd use them. I'm not willing to re-type all of that into a translator.
 
user7480455
if there is a submit button on a form...
 
Help me grok my queries, because my brain is fried and I really need to get this working tonight. I have an IQueryable<MyEntity>, unmaterialized, that has a set of (filtered) entities. I also have another one, an IQueryable<Action>, which also has a set of filtered Actions. Each Action has an EntityId that links it to the original MyEntity table.
 
user7480455
8:13 PM
and fields are disabled... is there a way to re-enable fields before the submit runs?
 
Now, I want to filter the IQueryable<Action> to only contain rows whose EntityId is in the IQueryable<MyEntity>. And I don't want to materialize a list of EntityIds to do it.
 
@007 Yeah, but that's more of a javascript thing.
 
One of the many Joins might do it, but I can never remember which join does exactly what, and with a lot of data, an ill-placed Join can create an inflated cartesian product that sucks my memory.
 
@007
 
@Hypersapien I can translate that when I get back.
Now I'm actually gone.
 
user7480455
8:15 PM
yeah that where I was doing my enable and disable
 
user7480455
but I guess submits overrides every thing
 
user7480455
let me ask this is there an alternative to using submit to submit the fields?
 
user7442629
Did someone say Poland
 
user7442629
Because I sure didn't
 
user7480455
everyone is napping
 
user7480455
8:25 PM
I guess for some it is night time
 
8:35 PM
@milleniumbug ok but which one should I normally use? I'm confused because this project was maintained by someone else and I see utc used in some places and non-utc dates used in other places :S
This app would be only used in my state though
so I guess I go with local?
 
It depends if the code is expecting a UTC date or not
 
how do I know if it expects a UTC date or a local date?
 
do you know what timezones are
 
yes
 
8:37 PM
this app for example will only be used in EST
but for some reason, I'm using the last guy use UTC In the app
 
By looking at how the code will be treating that particular value.
What is the value for? What is dependent on it?
 
well for example, what I want to do now is a check to see if 24 hours has passed since created date
something like
(DateTime.UtcNow.AddHours(-24) > Created && Created <= DateTime.UtcNow)
 
Is Created in UTC?
 
I'm worried though that Create is in EST and not UTC
idk lol
 
Look at where Created is being written
 
8:40 PM
Created is being sent from the server
 
Is Created coming from the database?
 
yes something like that
let create something on the backend and see if it's the same time as me
 
Find the code that writes Created to the database.
Or trigger a row to be written and look at the Created date
 
I don't have access to that code
or at least I don't know how to get access
It's in sharepoint
:(
I only have access to the code in the front-end not backend
 
Can you ask the people who do have access?
 
8:43 PM
I just checked and the timestamp is the time I created it just now
Does that mean it's EST?
I mean my local time?
 
Yes
 
and not UTC?
ok so do not use UTC for the check I want to do right?
 
Sounds like it
 
ok thankls
is there a benefit to using UTC?
 
Sometimes, in some situations.
If you don't want the data to be specific to any time zone.
Like, you have a message board that's used all over the world. You would timestamp the messages in UTC and let the users specify their time zone in their personal settings.
 
8:50 PM
sooo it's so weird though like most of the dates in this code are in UTC and just checked one date and it's in local time
so idk what to do now. Check all the dates are local and not UTC
lol
Thats' a good point about the message board, got it thanks
 
52 mins ago, by milleniumbug
also use Noda Time if you want to deal with dates more often
 
I'd catalog all the dates and whether they are UTC or local.
 
we have a lot of dates but ok
lol
Yeah the last guy should have used noda time
I'll add that as a refactoring ticket
what's the benefit of nodatime?
 
Another factor is, what if your company changes locations, say to another state that's in a different time zone. Dates that were stored as local would be meaningless.
Or if you have developers in different time zones.
 
point taken
does utc date show up as a local date?
I know it's hours ahead
and I don't want to show hours ahead for a date in my app
 
user7480455
8:54 PM
Hypersapien can you expand on that some
 
user7480455
are you indicating stored time will be wrong?
 
yes it will be wrong if I saved the date as EST
and you're in PST
for example
 
user7480455
so if I stored 21:00 hours
 
user7480455
it will be 21:00 hours right?
 
user7480455
I maybe missing some points
 
user7480455
8:58 PM
and If I open that record it will show 21:00 hours
 
The database doesn't know the difference between UTC time and any other time zone. It's just a DateTime field. Your code has to convert if back to whatever time zone you need.
 
@milleniumbug thanks!
 
user7480455
ok... this is important for application where you are getting data from all over the world...
 
user7480455
but if the application is just getting local data this is nothing to worry about right?
 
9:03 PM
how do you convert it back? Do you just use toLocale() or something like that?
 
user7442629
Milleniumbug at it again
 
user7442629
@Euridice01 if I was me I would submit a checksum with the local time, then see how many hours difference the client's local time is experiencing, and modify the time in question by that difference
 
It should go by minutes. Some time zones are in half hour intervals
 
user7442629
Example:
*Server*
Local Time: 15:00:00 12/12/2012
Time Saved: 13:00:00 10/12/2012

*Client*
Local Time: 16:00:00 12/12/2012
Time Received: 13:00:00 10/12/2012

Modified time: 14:00:00 10/12/2012
 
what is local and time saved in this scenario?
local is local to my timezone right
but why is time saved out of sync with local time?
 
user7442629
9:08 PM
Local time is the local time on the computer device - DateTime.Now
 
user7442629
I don't know how you're using it specifically, but let's say you saved a date 2 days and 2 hours ago as in the example above
 
user7442629
You want the client to copy that date
 
@Aleksbgbg buahahahaha, that's incredibly naive
 
user7442629
Sorry for being a noob but you get me yeah
 
user7442629
Do I not know what I'm talking about @milleniumbug
 
9:09 PM
@Aleksbgbg have fun reading this nodatime.org/1.3.x/userguide/trivia
 
user7442629
Well yeah but that's an extreme case
 
user7442629
It's their problem and they can suck on my DateTime
 
user7442629
If all of the devices there are being deviced in the same way then ain't nothing wrong with my program
 
which is all fine and dandy until your server crashes
 
user7442629
Servers made by Aleks doesn't crashes
 
user7442629
9:13 PM
I don't know if it would crash in this context because I didn't read but that's assuming client device time
 
user7442629
And it should work
 
user7442629
In any normal context
 
user7442629
Why would my server crash
 
because it has a bug
 
user7442629
Sorry if I wasn't being clear - if you aren't crawling inside my server
 
user7442629
9:16 PM
Get it
 
user7442629
Milleniumbug
 
user7442629
gets out
 
user7442629
But in all seriousness (?) it's just transmitting time
 
user7480455
10:01 PM
does a form have a default name in razor?
 

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