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2:03 PM
wot
 
@MadaraUchiha That was the issue that caused the huge community rise in the github release topic, wasn't it?
@KendallFrey how does the comparation work? It turns letters to ascii codes and somehow adds them up and compares the values?
 
Yeah it's just a normal string compare I think
 
oh the other way
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:D
^ WTF mr. Feeds
 
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Fucking feeds get worse by the day.
 
move it to the Rust room
 
2:15 PM
Me no entiendo, mr. feeds
 
It's worth noting, I'm not a C# dev cc @KamilSolecki @RoelvanUden
 
we don't want your kind in here
 
I'm getting mixed signals about core from you guys and the coworker sitting next to me who is one of the most technologically gifted people I know.
 
here we go again
 
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2:17 PM
i don't know much about core
so, i will shut up at this point
 
But yeah, just wanted to say that :P
 
@MadaraUchiha you do you man
 
lmao
 
@MadaraUchiha I never really did anything that would be implemented cross-platform, thus I haven't really looked at core yet
 
there are advantages and disadvantages to any technology
 
2:17 PM
Core does all the things
 
if it works for you then great
 
Also Core is the worst thing ever and I hate it
 
> Don't get me wrong, I love PHP. But that first sentence was a lie and I hate its guts.
 
Well since my mom is suffering from pretty severe dementia, yes, she's exactly like Core developers
 
No one likes PHP, ever.
 
2:19 PM
I havent written a single line in PHP, but Ive been online enough to hate it already.
 
if JS devs hate PHP, that tells you something
 
I don't think that PHP is inherently bad
 
I actually like php.
 
i learned to program w/ php3
 
I just think that it doesn't offer you anything past the beginner stage.
 
2:20 PM
@MadaraUchiha you forgot self-hatred.
 
it's good if you need forms on a database.
 
im not a fan because it makes writing bad code super easy
 
It solves HTTP beautifully
You edit a file and hit refresh and you see the results
You set it up in 30 minutes from a tutorial you found on YouTube
Those features are very appealing to beginners
 
also, arent PHP devs paid relatively well compared to other languages?
 
But after you learn HTTP, learn to set up a web server, learn how compilers and watchers work, what does PHP give you?
Their typesystem is bad, their OO is bad
 
2:21 PM
Nuke PHP from orbit
 
Their functional is bad
 
doing webdev ass-backwards as usual
 
and yet 60% of stuff is php
 
@KamilSolecki Sure, because companies often pick PHP as their starting stack because it's so quickly to prototype things and set things up with it.
 
I see.
 
2:23 PM
Then it becomes POOP (PHP OOP), and you need more and more devs to maintain the clusterfuck you have building up
6
 
^
lol
 
lol at poop
nice one
 
@rlemon oh fuck you and your puns
wait this isn't JS
 
@SterlingArcher wrong chat?
 
@SterlingArcher It's whatever you want it to be.
 
2:24 PM
wrong chat
 
Also, since I got you here - how was your exam? @SterlingArcher
 
waves his jedi hand this isn't the room you're looking for
 
@KamilSolecki aced it, and test drove some more powerful bikes yesterday :)
graduated top of my class
 
Awesome!
congrats
 
Anyway, I think PHP solves a bunch of problems very elegantly and simply, especially the set of problems commonly encountered by beginners
 
2:25 PM
nice grats
 
But it doesn't handle well what happens past that
@SterlingArcher \o/ grats
 
@MadaraUchiha I see. Thanks for the explanation.
 
C# solves the problem of giving Microsoft more money when you're forced to upgrade to the enterprise version of their shite products #sorrynotsorry
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't mean to talk down on your colleague, but this is a mere matter of requirements vs implemented technology. It's possible that your specific scenario requires certain technologies that aren't yet in dotnet core, but if not, he's talking out of his ass. The dotnet core technology is here, and it's stable. It's just not quite as widespread yet to implement everything for every situation. That's pretty much it.
@MadaraUchiha Statements like that won't really make me take your seriously.
 
@RoelvanUden It wasn't meant as a serious statement 😛
 
2:27 PM
Alright.
 
lol
 
Although asking companies to pay ~$20k for the enterprise version of SQL Server if you want premium features like "replication", is a bit sketchy in my eyes.
 
FWIW, I would be able to use dotnet core for pretty much any project I work on.
And I can get away with MariaDB as well, no problem. Debian dotnetcore mariadb? Great.
 
you prefer net core or node?
 
i hate node but thats just because im inexperienced
 
2:30 PM
Our specific situation (which makes me mad with microsoft) is that they deliberately took advantage of startups with their Biz Parks program. "Here, take 3 years of free everything, amazing!" and then "What's that? You need to "scale"? Pay us 5 digit sums, and we'll talk"
That practice is despicable to me.
 
@Proxy It depends. I lean towards Node, except when it's a very database-heavy application. EF/WebAPI/OData is just too much to give up on.
 
w/e they should move to azure
stop hosting your own shit ppl
 
@MadaraUchiha I took advantage of biztalk, so it's the opposite for me
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't see it that way. You already knew the costs up front, and you know that after 3 years, those costs would surface. It's really not Microsoft's fault for your company failing to look towards the future and/or make enough revenue to take care of that problem.
 
@Failsafe Your business shattered in 3 years? :D
 
2:32 PM
no i lied and got 3 years of free msdn enterprise
 
I just see them giving 3 years of free stuff to gain potential customers. They didn't have to do that either.
 
@RoelvanUden Of course they did
No one would have come to them otherwise
 
i said i was making an app that i never delievered
they were more than happy to give me free shit
 
They aren't better than AWS
 
and i was more than happy to take it
 
2:33 PM
@MadaraUchiha I would. Our company has no problem with the licensing costs.
 
@MadaraUchiha debateable
 
@RoelvanUden I agree strongly. Its not like the companies don't know what they are using and if it will be available to them for free in the future.
 
pushing .net web apps to azure is incredibly simplified
 
@Failsafe you'll take all the shit anyone gives you, won't you
 
in AWS it is not
 
2:33 PM
@Failsafe Aye, but the choice to go with .net to begin with came with the decision to use Azure
Not the other way around.
 
@MadaraUchiha your decision?
 
er your company's
 
That's not really Microsoft's fault, is it? It sounds like a company problem instead.
 
2:34 PM
well thats unfortunate for you the developer
 
So your hate towards Microsoft is a bit misguided in this case.
 
@RoelvanUden Sure, the decision was made by people who are not technologically strong, that's an issue in and on itself.
 
i would be happy with that tho
i would be so happy if my management decided to go full azure stack
but i am a .net dev
so it makes sense
 
My hate towards MS is aged and bottled like a fine whisky.
 
2:35 PM
Ah, so it's like my hate towards Apple. Irrational and immutable.
 
Damn straight
wouldn't have it any other way
 
Now admittedly, they are trying very hard to get better, but the company's acts when they were at the peak were despicable
 
If i can't hate irrationally i don't want to live
 
I, for example, hate cinnamon cereal.
 
@MadaraUchiha the company is acting wayyy better now than they did under ballmer
 
2:36 PM
hey guys, so I'm fiddling with MVC and I was trying to set Html.Editor with a value returned by a server
Let me elaborat, I have two editors and I'm entering a value in one of them, process it and then trying to make it appear in the other one
I've tried to set the value on the default action result but it didn't work
 
@Failsafe Like I said, they are trying very hard to get better.
 
also their azure platform is incredible
for my apps it works great
for my services it works great
and they add crazy shit every year
 
I'm intending to start using Azure for some company sites soon. Never did before.
 
4 years ago azure barely existed
 
Your experiences are good then?
 
2:37 PM
@RoelvanUden yes
especially if its not on your dime
 
Company will pay :P
 
are your sites .net?
i assume yes?
 
Yeah, of course ;-)
 
then it will be awesome
 
I thought to use the App Service
 
2:38 PM
the app service stuff comes with a LOT of diagnostic tooling
 
No VMs or OS updates or shit.. just park it onto it.
 
app insights for free
mq logging for free
not that people still use that
the free app insight is very nice though
 
Have you used their VPN? Does it work properly?
It sounds good yeah :p
 
scaling included
@RoelvanUden i set up a vpn but on a VM hosted in azure
i didn't use a "vpn service" or seperate non-VM service
but it worked though
 
Ah right. And your app service containers are not on the VPN then?
 
2:39 PM
honestly my only gripe is that it takes 3-5 minutes more than i want to spin up vm's
 
Does it take longer to scale an app or scale a fish?
 
Did someone here read the Clean Code?
 
@RoelvanUden no i never used a vpn service for my app service stuff
i couldn't tell you about it
my other gripe is that it costs $55/mo to upload a cert/domain to an app service
but thats a problem easily fixed by using someone elses money
 
@MatheusSilva i've read a bit of it
 
@Failsafe There are no costs for SSL if you take a higher model (Free -> Shared -> Basic -> Standard -> Premium, take Standard or higher)
 
2:42 PM
@RoelvanUden right but if you already ahve a cert, you need the basic package
which is like $50
 
What?
 
user7480455
ello all
 
so i have my own domain and a rapidssl cert for that domain
 
The calculator tells me that registering SNI SSL certs is free on Standard+
Yeah we have our own domains/certificates elsewhere too.
 
can we switch to slack so i wont get timed out
also brb
 
2:44 PM
@Steve'saD Did you remember the Common Monadic Forms topic? I written a function here and I am asking me if it is according with this principle.
 
@MatheusSilva i don't but i can look it up
i only read about 1/3 of it
 
we have slack?
well some of us*
 
ehm
 
I read less, it is on page 72 :)
 
i obviously dont
 
2:45 PM
The first rule about Slack is you do not talk about Slack.
 
SLACK OVERFLOW!
 
there is no slack
 
well someone has talked about it
 
Afternoon all. Perplexed by a web project I've switched to target x64 only and now it won't publish - error is "Could not load file or assembly". It builds fine and runs locally :(
 
I am slacking.
 
2:46 PM
maybe if you're lucky somebody will send you an invite @Proxy
 
so no slack for me
 
not up to me
and, remember, there is no slack
 
@RoelvanUden senpai, have i already told you how much i like you?
 
@MattThrower random guess, but maybe dependencies on the machine u publish to are x32?
 
@Proxy Huh? Mhpf! It's not like I like you or anything!
 
2:51 PM
blushing
 
@KamilSolecki It's got to be something like that. Very odd. It's an x64 machine with an x64 OS ... looking in to whether it's IIS ...
 
Man, Louise was such a great tsundere character.
 
You reminded me
I still have the last episode of erased to watch
 
@RoelvanUden ( * ´âˆ€ï½€ * )
 
@KamilSolecki Ohhh enjoy!
 
2:52 PM
I have high hopes
pls be good
Do you remember what was the title of the other one you reccomended? @RoelvanUden
 
user7480455
Kramb, that thing you showed me worked.. may thanks!
 
shin sekai yori
 
yeah this
 
i stopped at the 4 episode
 
Shin sekai yori is so amazing :3 only love for it.
@Proxy Why was that again?
 
2:56 PM
nothing particular, i just don't find the "time"
but in the end i just go to yt and waste it there
would be more productive if i watch something instead
 
i go to RT
and laugh at all the crazy shit they post
then i turn on fox news, and watch them repeat all the crazy shit RT says as it's fact
 
@Proxy Eh, entertainment is about being.. entertained. If you are entertained on YT, why not.
 
Introduction to Windows Service Applications says, "The Windows Service template and associated functionality is not available in the Standard Edition of Visual Studio. " Does this mean "It is impossible to create a Service unless you pay for a more full-featured VS edition", or does this mean "it is possible to create a service, but you won't have any of the tools that make it easier to do so"?
 
@RoelvanUden true true, but i'm mostly using it as background noise at this point.
 
Then what do you do
 
3:02 PM
sadly not much, and yeah i know its a dumb explanation but that's what i do
after i started working, i kind stopped doing anything. Before i would always read something, watch something... now basically i come home and stare in the emptiness
 
Wow. Man. Do something. Anything.
That's awful.
 
@Proxy i feel you
 
stop touching people Steve
 
user7480455
why is it crazy steve?
 
@Proxy it typically comes down to "Should I learn about React prop controllers.. oh look, a donut made out of spaghetti!"
 
3:12 PM
The fidget spinners aren't helping I'm still so distracted!
 
@Proxy I'm kind of the same, My journey to/from work takes all my remaining energy so i get home and just want to do nothing
I can't even play video games anymore without spending 30minutes-1hour deciding what to play
It makes me do a sad
 
user7480455
hi all question
 
user7480455
why would a field that is disable show a restricted symbol when the mouse is hovering over it..
 
@RoelvanUden i know, im trying
 
user7480455
this is in mvc sadly
 
3:15 PM
 
@007 You just removed the answer from your message
 
user7480455
I know that it is disbled
 
@Kieran heh i always thought piratrs had an interesting life. but i know your pain
 
user7480455
but why that symbol
 
user7480455
is that part of the editorfor?
 
user7480455
3:17 PM
because the textboxfor does not have such a thing
 
@SterlingArcher i like choco ones
 
@Proxy Well, choosing games is after all the looting and pillaging ofcourse.
 
any interesting loots, like rum?
 
Sometimes
But then i drink it
and the rum is gone again
 
GOd he's so good
wait this still isn't JS
god dammit
 
3:20 PM
@SterlingArcher just kill yourself and get it over with ffs
 
Honestly at this rate..
 
user7480455
3:34 PM
guys another question...
 
user7480455
I am not understanding how this readonly and disable works in the mvc razor... let me explain
 
user7480455
so our programmers have added field to a form that are currently disabled and set to readonly
 
user7480455
the user enters the form and they are not able to type or edit the fields
 
user7480455
but for some reason field will not re-enable when the function runs that is tasked with make the field active again... any ideas?
 
user7480455
THis show up disabled like it should
 
user7480455
3:41 PM
                            @Html.EditorFor(model => model.A_FIELD, new { htmlAttributes = new { @class = "form-control", disabled = "disabled", @readonly = "readonly", @onchange = "SOMEFUNCTION(this.value)" } })
 
user7480455
this one come is enabled
 
user7480455
                          @Html.TextBoxFor(model => model.A_FIELD, new { htmlAttributes = new { @class = "form-control", disabled = "disabled", @readonly = "readonly", @onchange = "SOMEFUNCTION(this.value)" } }
 
The textbox is enabled?
 
user7480455
the first one shows a read restricted access symbol... like the graphic item
 
user7480455
hi kramb
 
user7480455
3:43 PM
yes it is
 
user7480455
i dont understand how that is the case
 
that's odd...the textbox should not be enabled with disabled = "disabled"
 
user7480455
if I change the command back to editorfor is is disabled
 
user7480455
this is why I don't program!
 
user7480455
this is beyond frustration
 
3:44 PM
You sure it's not the other way around? The Editor for will not disable but the Textbox will?
 
user7480455
there is nothing on the internet about this behavior.
 
Also, your htmlAttribute syntax is off
 
user7480455
no I have both on screen at same time
 
@Html.TextBoxFor(model => model.A_FIELD, new { @class = "form-control", disabled = "disabled", @readonly = "readonly", @onchange = "SOMEFUNCTION(this.value)" }
 
user7480455
it is off?
 
3:46 PM
Yea, razor assumes overloads by positioning and count
with 3 overloads, it assumes the object at index 2 is an htmlAttribute
 
user7480455
oh so I need to change the order?
 
user7480455
let me try what you typed.... is there instruction that I can follow of this for reference?
 
Nope, just change new { htmlAttributes = new {...} }
to new {...}
I don't think that'll fix your problem though
Oh, nvm it will
 
user7480455
i see
 
user7480455
new { htmlAttributes = new { @class = "form-control", is what is incorrect?
 
user7480455
3:50 PM
for the textboxfor thing
 
Yea, remove the new { htmlAttributes =
and don't forget the closing }
And a little explanation about disabled and readonly
disabled specifies that the <input> element should be disabled
readonly cannot be modified (however, a user can tab to it, highlight it, and copy the text from it).
readonly does nothing to the data, only the input itself. So you don't need both
 
sup nerds
 
Mornin
 
user7480455
hmm
 
still nothing?
 
3:56 PM
The elusive Shotgun Ninja. Take note, noobs, there won't be another sighting for months.
 
user7480455
the read restrict icon is gone but it will not re-enable
 
user7480455
let me double check something
 

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