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8:00 PM
@MiguelSevilla Is this related to C# by any chance?
 
yah
running a .net application that needs to access it
there's actually a C# library that wraps around the RRDTool
i'll probably just create a post on it
thanks!
 
hi, testing the new third home
or, "third place"
 
pull up a chair
order a latte
or whatever kids drink these days
 
Note that if you intend to test syntax for the chat, there's a separate sandbox room for that :)
And read the FAQ.
And welcome :)
 
me: 'this LDAP things is becoming problematic and I fear it will take too long and go out of budget fast' boss: 'why didnt you tell me this sooner'... how was I suppose to know it wasn't going to work, where is my crystal ball? ...
i hate LDAP!
rant over
on another note, anyone know how to connect to LDAP and authenticate users with C# and want to make some money??
 
8:11 PM
random question actually about WCF, dboarman made me think of this:
if i have a database pair on 2 seperate servers with 2 different names for the DB it's self
(er not WCF, LINQ 2 SQL)
 
@Shogun Have tried asking on the MSDN Forums?social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/netdevelopment
 
but they are indentical structures
is there a good way to generalize the databases so that I can say "use production server/dev server?"
I'm not a database programmer, never have been lol
 
@Firoso nothing special to it, just change the connection string in the config file
@Firoso I always have the connection string stored in SCM set to the development settings
 
nods I suppose that makes some degree of sense...
what if they are slightly divergent
ie: dev has new sprocs
is there a way to really implement bases or interfaces for this?
without manually building the database classes from scratch
 
wooo ! woo ! ... woo ! woo ! .... test barking :)
 
8:18 PM
@JamieKeeling thanks, posting now..
 
stack overflow is so awesome
and yes "there can be only 1"
i want that on a shirt
 
Ash
Sweet!
 
@Firoso The normal procedure is to version the database with the code. As you make modifications to the dev db, put the DDL to make those mods into SCM. When you next deploy your app to production, there should be a process that runs your scripts against the production DB to make sure it has the schema expected by your code.
 
@Shogun No problem
 
@Firoso: ah, somebody was listening... ;)
besides Shogun
 
8:30 PM
@Dathan This is a great answer... it surprises me these days that DEVs don't version their DB with their code, so I don't even think of it most of the time.
 
Hello? :)
 
hi
 
@AngeloGeels Pong!
 
Hm, this is pretty cool
Anyone knows something about VS2010 add-ins?
 
@AngeloGeels creating or using
 
8:36 PM
@Dathan hey Dathan, if i use EF4 and generate my schema from classes/relationships, would you still store the resulting schema in SCM?
 
@AndersonImes Creating.
 
searched the asp.net site a lot of use full material regrding handling of evnts, and adding things from design view, "i need some sites which show adding thngs and working with gridview by using code c#"
 
I'm trying to get a new entry in here: angelog.nl/c/a306fcf9.png (I think it's called a context menu, right?)
Now there's "_applicationObject.ContextAttributes", but apparently that's not the one I'm looking for.
 
there is scattered documentation, am a beginner cant see so much, any particular exact documentation site?
 
I think you need to look into ctc (Visual Studio 2005) / vsct (Visual Studio 2008 and 2010?) files. These files allow you to define the menu structures.
 
8:41 PM
@AlanSpark It has to be done through an add-in.
 
@user287745 Really in your situation, I would suggest going through a lot of the videos on the ASP.NET site, rather than trying to jump in the middle. You'll get a better feel for what is possible and where things should go
 
oke, can any suggest site with some code to perform insert, update delete on sql svr, using c# syntax like parameter add etc
 
@Angelo OK, I've only used packages. Not that familiar with addins, sorry.
 
@AlanSpark Ah damn. No problem.
Anyone else that has any experience with this?
 
@Angelo Have you seen this? stackoverflow.com/questions/652056/…
 
8:51 PM
@Dathan I'm sorry for the delay, I totally agree with that approach, it makes a lot of sense to me
 
@user287745 It's not entirely clear exactly what you want... you might try adding "CRUD" (Create, Read, Update, Delete) to your queries. Here is a stack overflow question that refers you how to do CRUD operations in ASP.NET. Beyond this without a speciifc question, it's going to be hard to help you.
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Q: ASP.NET MVC "CRUD" Database Sample

Rob BurkeI'm trying to get my head around ASP.NET MVC coming from a LAMP development environment. This isn't for anything production or mission-critical, just a guy trying to learn. I've looked at all I can on http://asp.net/mvc but a lot of those videos and tutorials seem to assume you know ASP.NET WebFo...

 
@AngeloGeels: yeah, that would be a context menu
 
@Alex Sorry for the delay. I'm not familiar enough with the tooling around EF 4, but my first instinct is that if (1) you don't need to maintain any of the data in the DB (e.g., it's not a "production" DB, but a DB that's initialized with your app);
@Alex and (2) the schema generation can be scripted as part of an install or deployment operation (or, if you want XCOPY-deploy support, as a setup process in the app itself), then yeah, absolutely just initialize the database from the EF model and don't worry about storing change scripts in SCM.
 
@AlanSpark Yes, I did see that. But I don't think that's what I'm looking for, as that's probably a button in the toolbar.
 
@Dathan ah, i see, that is what i am currently doing. thanks
 
9:04 PM
Oh wait...
 
@AndersonImes Thanks. We just started versioning our DB in the last year, and I couldn't believe we didn't do it sooner.
 
@Dathan DB Pro?
 
db versioning sounds cool
 
@AndersonImes We don't use any tooling around versioning the DB currently. Just generate DDL by hand, and add it to a directory in SCM, and our deployment process applies the appropriate scripts based on filename. Can you recommend any products or practices to improve the process for us?
 
talk to me more about DB versioning?
oh gotcha
 
9:11 PM
@Dathan Absolutely. Database Professional (part of VS 2008, 2010) allows you to make changes to a database and then generate a database model from that that you can then version control... it creates a point in time model of your database from an existing one
@Dathan When you are ready to roll out, you create a deployment script against a target database and a change script will be generated to update that database to the target version automatically
@Dathan It takes some getting used to, but in the end you get fairly flawless deployments
 
@AndersonImes That sounds... great. (c: What if I want to support client versions from an arbitrary version to latest?
@AndersonImes Is the best practice to package iterative update scripts (i.e., if customer has 1.0 and latest is 1.6, update client to 1.1, then 1.2, etc.) or different scripts for each version delta (i.e., one monolithic script for updating 1.0 to 1.6, a separate one for 1.1 to 1.6, etc.)?
 
Hello
 
@Dathan well with DB Pro we don't worry about that... whatever branch in source control we want to update the target database to is what we build and generate the deployment file
 
anyone have experience programing powerpoint?
 
@JewelThief Howdy
 
9:15 PM
essentially we treat SCM as the "version of the truth" we want to build and deploy
 
@AndersonImes What's your use case? Are you primarily doing web apps/services, internal LOB, or end-user (desktop) software?
 
@Dathan It makes you think of the database as just another piece of software to deploy, rather than something else
@Dathan internal LOB
 
@AndersonImes Good, me too. It's always nice to be talking about the same context.
 
Anyone built anything to allow multiple <form runat="server"> for asp.net?
Interested in other solutions than reflection and catching all calls to __doPostBack that I may have missed when messing around.
 
@Dathan Generally downlevel client support is a logical concern, rather than a deployment concern, so if you need support for downlevel clients, you'd need to build that into your schema and practices (make sure you don't use select *, etc)
but in an internal LOB situation like ours, we largely have the luxury of deploying clients and databases simultaneously
 
9:20 PM
well hello
 
@AndersonImes i just e-stalked you and realized you live in plano, too! :D
 
@Dathan What's also nice about this is I can take that same model and build a new database from scratch with a button... sometimes it's hard to do that from DDL scripts (without knowing the run order, etc)
@Alex Indeed! Small world!
Achievement Unlocked: first e-stalking :)
 
@AndersonImes Sure, makes sense. I do entirely internal LOB dev as well. We've adopted some... questionable practices in the past, but learned a lot. One of the lessons I keep re-learning is that if you can figure out the right way to do it, it makes sense to do it that way the first time.
 
@AndersonImes that should be a gold badge on SO
 
@AndersonImes What DB platforms are supported? Is it just SQL Server? Not an issue for me right now - we're an entirely SS2K5 shop currently - but good to know; we're looking to potentially support other DB's.
 
9:24 PM
@Dathan That's my understanding, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
 
CommandBar cBar = _applicationObject.CommandBars["Code Window"]; // This isn't allowed in VS2010. Hmm.
 
@Dathan We all have development skeletons. We hired a consultant to come help get us running with 1) Correct source control practices (branching, merging, etc) 2) getting our DBs in SCM 3) Getting our builds running continuously 4) automated testing .... all at the same time
 
Nevermind that message, got it.
 
@Dathan It was "who moved my cheese" all over the place, but it's been a boon, really
@Alex Where do you work?
 
@AndersonImes If I can pump your brain for a bit, are you developing server- or client-side apps (or multi-tier)?
 
9:30 PM
@Dathan We are developing a composite application for our call center agents. It's a WPF portal with some WPF modules + websites all rolled up on the client. All of the WPF and websites talk to backend business logic / data through WCF services
 
@AndersonImes Sounds like fun - definitely enough moving parts to keep things interesting. With all that stuff running on the client side, how do you handle deployments?
 
@Dathan Well, our client app is deployed via ClickOnce. We basically XCopy the new version of the app to our webservers (along with any webapps that have versioned)
@Dathan and then the server-side is pretty much the same situation (we use something similar to MSDeploy with some custom tasks that deploy webapps and also deploy windows services that the WCF services run under)
 
@AndersonImes i work at a small company in richardson off of 75 and george bush
 
parallel to that deployment for the client and middle tier bits, we also run the DB Pro update script on the database
@Alex ah, ok... rock and roll... nice spot. Close to everything.
 
@AndersonImes yeah, i wish i could say the same about the job though -- i'm the only developer left :[
@AndersonImes how about you, you work nearby?
 
9:39 PM
@Alex Addison off the tollway. I work at Mary Kay, if you are familiar with them.
 
@AndersonImes Thanks! That gives me some ideas about ways we may want to proceed. We're in a consolidation phase right now, trying to find standardized frameworks and technologies for replacing some of our hand-rolled infrastructure. We're basically just trying to remove some pain points to allow us to improve velocity in the future.
 
Lol @ chat that i can use through work internet filter...
 
@Dathan That was a lot of marketecture in there... I hope you are shifting paradigms and cross-connecting result actuaries in there somewhere :) If you want the name of the company that consulted with us, let me know and I can send it to you (I don't get kickbacks... they just did a great job... smart guys)
 
@AndersonImes ah, yeah, you do webdev for them? by the way i might check out a few 'geek' happy hours - wednesday or thursday this week if you're interested
 
@AndersonImes (c: Sadly, I've been getting more buzzword-compliant lately. I need to cut it out, but it really does help sell my pet projects to management sometimes.
 
9:46 PM
@Alex Sure! I'm always up for beerage. I don't do a lot of webdev anymore... I work mostly in the middle tier (WCF / Workflow Foundation) and WPF on the client tier
@Dathan Indeed... sometimes business-ese is the only language people care about. That and a carefully crafted powerpoint.
 
@AndersonImes cool, how do i get you my contact info without becoming a 4chan victim :P
 
Any ideas on how to convert powerpoint to images like slideshare does?
I can do it on client side using interop assemblies, how to do it on server side?
 
Looking for some suggestions:
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Q: What would you recommend for this project?

Sergio TapiaLast month I popped my cherry; my actual first fully fledged freelance gig. I have a to create an application using C# for the Windows Platform. Normally all of the work I've done was on a single machine: It had Visual Studio 2010, Microsoft SQL Server and a range of other tools. If I use Entit...

 
10:05 PM
Just email me: anderson@theimes.com
 
10:36 PM
Is this realtime chat?
 
@JoanVenge looks like :P
 
Automated Message: You are visitor #8472. Your message has been placed in the queue.
 
Amazing, thanks man "O
 
@JoanVenge Loved this too
 
I started to think it's all automated.
 
10:38 PM
Stackoverflow guys made a great work here
 
I agree this looks really good.
 
i wonder if it uses html5 and WebSockets... i't would be awesome!
 
just don't mention IRC
 
Hehe. This is all C# code, right?
 
I hope so
 
10:41 PM
lol
 
Man! All the messages have permalinks! cool!
I'm can even edit or delete messages
 
word on the street has it they debug with printf :[
 
Anyone know if you derive a class from System.Configuration.Install.Installer if you can access the ConfigurationManager.GetSection?
 
Rye
11:06 PM
Anyone know how to do the update installer in System Development using vs2008? So every time I install, I don't have to remove the old one.
 
11:31 PM
Test message
 
@Daniel it worked
 

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