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7:00 PM
!!youtube Obi-Wan remembers the truth
 
@CapricaSix lol how can he "remember" that what he has not seen
 
@CapricaSix sucks donkey balls
!!doge donkeyballs, sucks, stupid
 
       wow
           very donkeyballs
                             such  sucks
so  stupid
2
 
7:04 PM
exactly
 
well i'm going to do some stuff, AFK
 
O2 bastards. 'We'll send you a code by text to verify your purchase'
If I'm buying a phone there's a good chance I can't receive texts, isn't there?
Idiots.
 
@TomW you sir have fallen victim to a catch 22, enjoy
 
Do they still make textmode BIOSs?
 
@KendallFrey in my universe, yes
 
7:15 PM
@DarkPh03n1X as it happens I can swap sims with my work phone
but they don't know that
do not lose work sim do not lose work sim
 
@TomW i'm sure most customers already have a phone,they think along the lines of upgrade...
 
Well, I'm upgrading
But I broke mine
 
@TomW i have like 4 'backup' phones, for some reason i cant just trow them out, or sell them
 
user47589
i'm getting a brand new phone tomorrow. smartphones these days are so goddamn expensive though
 
@Amy true that!what are you getting?
 
7:24 PM
You're telling me. I'm not quite sure how I stomached the monthly cost of the agreement I just signed; but I'm so fed up of not having a working phone I lost patience and just went for it
 
user47589
I currently have the Note 2. I'm considering getting the Galaxy S6
 
meh it's only money
Just signed for an S6 Edge
I'll let you know if it's good.
 
user47589
i've wondered how the Edge feels to use
 
user47589
i mean, holding the phone, won't you hit buttons on the edge by accident?
 
I figure if I don't buy one I'll never know
shrug
 
user47589
7:25 PM
Ah, so you're buying a phone FOR SCIENCE
 
Yeah, let's call it that
 
user47589
yeah mr white! yeah science!
 
@Amy i dont like the fact that they seal the battery away
 
user47589
seal the battery?
 
user47589
oh, on the phones
 
user47589
7:29 PM
yeah
 
If the battery starts to fail I'll demand they replace the phone, because it's faulty.
 
@Amy you cannot remove it without breaking the warranty seal
 
user47589
the sealed-battery is what's kept me from getting an iPhone.
 
user47589
yeah
 
user47589
i got confused for a second, thought you were talking about the breaking bad meme
 
7:30 PM
phones are disposable on a 2-year cycle anyway
It's really wrong to think like that, but I really don't have time for dicking about with worn-out tech
 
oh well i will load a unofficial cyanogen ROM on it anyway
 
I find uses for all my out of contract phones
 
@CuddleBunny im going to sell mine to ISIS
 
If @DarkPh03n1X doesn't stay here long, now you know why
 
user47589
i think all the cell carriers in the US will soon be without contracts. T-Mobile was the first to stop requiring contracts, AT&T is about to follow
 
7:34 PM
I don't think terrorism suspects get bail, so we won't bother to start a whip-round
 
I wonder if people feel more inclined to write better answers on stack overflow if the asker has a lot of reputation
 
@TomW yap, i will be in Afghanistan
@Amy In South-Africa we already have that, since the start.
 
Yeah, contracts are dying, but you'll still have paid off the phone with the two year payment plans in time to get another one
 
Its called "Pre-Paid"
 
no, still postpaid
 
user47589
7:37 PM
we've had pre-paid for years here. what's changing is contracts are going away
 
user47589
@kush i tend to put less effort into answers if i think the OP is unlikely to accept an answer
 
@Amy ah but people with high reputation are likely to be better acquainted with the etiquette of so though, yeah?
 
You have to buy these ticket to load "Air-Time" on it, It is Savage,Primitive....
 
user47589
@kush right.
 
I only took a contract in I think about 2010
I was pretty broke until that point. A contract isn't great because you can't stop it if you run out of money that month
 
user47589
7:52 PM
yeah
 
@kush that and higher rep folks have likely written a few good answers themselves and may be super picky so that I'll have to edit/improve it later anyways
 
Would you agree that restricting what you can do in a language is an important part of language design?
 
@GregRos I think that is true of anything design
 
WhiteCase the design
 
Yeah it sounds pretty obvious to me. Almost a tautology.
 
7:56 PM
features are additive
and you don't typically add restrictions on purpose for no reason, they exist to allow for something else more important
 
Restrictions generally force you into programming paradigms that the language designer favors. Also, some language features are actually a form of restriction, such as immutability or visibility. They don't allow you to do things that would result in very naughty behavior.
Or control structures instead of jumps. Control structures are more restricted, but are still much better because they result in much more legible or comprehensible code.
 
@torvin I don't, I want to because I don't want security policies from work enforced
 
TFW im a TFS administrator
!!afk killing myself
 
user47589
bye, have fun!
 
@GregRos unless, for example, you consider mutability a feature
 
8:10 PM
@CuddleBunny Why is that unless?
 
I just mean that immutability wouldn't be intentional restriction if mutability was additive
like, "Do we have a good reason to make strings mutable? No? Okay, don't bother."
 
user47589
yes, deciding what goes into the language is important when designing the language
 
Anyone here who has gotten this error in VS2015 Community? I keep on getting this error every once in a few weeks. It worked earlier this week. Failed to connect to '' with the following error: Unable to create the Web site ''. The components for communicating with FTP servers are not installed.
I have Clickonce and Web dev tools installed
 
I guess a lot of it just depends on your point of view. But there is a reason for having an if statement with a predictable structure but limited power, instead of a jump/branch statement that lets you jump to arbitrary points in the program. That would be a bad thing (to put it mildly).\
The if statement was chosen precisely because it is more restrictive than a super goto.
 
@BenjaminDiele Can you validate the FTP info in the Publish?
 
8:25 PM
@juanvan I'm trying a "Repair" now for VS2015, but the FTP info hasn't changed. It used to work with that info.
 
ya but would be where to start finding answers
 
I just have a haunted VS install I think
 
so this is interesting
@KendallFrey @TomW @SteveG ^
any of you use this before?
 
looks pretty damn useless
 
@Failsafe looks like a glue code generator, basically. Haven't used it. Looks not dissimilar to Mule ESB
 
8:29 PM
it looks like a giant wrapper but i cant be sure
 
I'm an integration developer by trade, maybe I'm indoctrinated in the old ways. But a lot of this stuff looks like hype
Integrating modern services that provide good APIs is all well and good, but the difficult part of your project will come when you try to integrate crap
 
well i mean you could write your own middleware component to integrate the different models together
i guess
 
Mine was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction having seen Mule, because it looks similar. Mule absolutely rip into BizTalk, even though BizTalk does a lot of stuff their platform doesn't. So maybe I'm being unfair to these guys
 
@Failsafe oh wow, stripe too
bad ass
 
@TomW Im writing services for biztalk right now
so
 
8:33 PM
for BizTalk?
 
for biztalk's orchestration
my DAL's get consumed by biztalk
its part of the "architecture"
not mine but the organization
it's ok i guess
it works
 
Fair enough. I wouldn't use orchestration any more than strictly necessary, personally
 
the problem is that everyones shit is hosted on the same boxes
i guess biztalk helps with load balancing and throttling
im not really sure how it works i just have to use it
 
Clustering for redundancy, really. Load-balancing, not in itself. The notion of distributing requests across different machines is different for HTTP compared to MSMQ or file drops, for example.
You'd have to implement a load balancer as well to get HTTP load balancing, for example. But each of the machines behind it would implicitly know what the others are doing and you don't have to write any synchronisation yourself
 
Why doesn't C# have COMEFROM?
It's a hideous oversight
I think I'll write up a proposal on GitHub
 
8:41 PM
@GregRos C# was required by international treaty to limit its capacity to inflict pain, back in the early 2000s
4
 
Oh dang it
Stupid anti-torture legislation
 
@GregRos yay! :P
 
user47589
i've been demanding COMEFROM for years.
 
Maybe we could form a kind of lobby
 
There's a very off-color joke here but I'm going to restrain myself.
 
8:48 PM
So I have a weird situation
 
It looks like I have a catch block that is not fired unless I have some sort of delay in it.
 
@CuddleBunny HAHAHAHA
@KendallFrey That... doesn't make sense
 
You're telling me
 
Is concurrency involved?
 
user47589
8:51 PM
a delay in what?
 
dear leader
 
@GregRos Maybe, maybe not
 
user47589
maybe its the delay causing the exception
 
@Amy A breakpoint, Thread.Sleep
 
But he's saying it's inside the catch block
 
8:52 PM
@Amy The delay is in the catch
 
user47589
why would that affect how the exception is caught?
 
And the exception goes unhandled without the delay.
@Amy I don't know, gah
 
user47589
i dont suppose you can share this code?
 
I too am curious. What's it catching?
 
not really
No SSCCE
@mikeTheLiar an exception
didn't see that coming did ya
 
8:53 PM
No shit. What kind?
 
There's probably something else happening that you're missing. It's always like that with me, at least.
 
user47589
ಠ_ಠ
 
user47589
^ that kind
 
omg
 
@mikeTheLiar SQL
@GregRos I bloody fucking hope so
 
8:54 PM
HAPPY FRIDAY, SLOBS
 
which seat can I take
 
user47589
who here is a slob? take a shower
 
@Amy raises hand
 
You guys are still doing that?
 
user47589
take a shower!
 
8:55 PM
It's been years you know
 
well, i normally say happy friday bitches, but, considering there are women regulars now, i felt it wasn't appropriate
 
YEARS
 
@KendallFrey just for fun, what happens if you change it to just a plain-old Exception?
 
The rest of the world has completely forgotten that stupid song
 
@SteveG Calling somebody a catty bitch is an insult, but most people like cats and dogs.
 
8:57 PM
meh
 
@mikeTheLiar What happens if you swap out your car's engine for an elephant?
@GregRos no
 
user47589
has anyone used log4js in the browser?
 
user47589
i'm wondering if its worth using
 
OK, it no longer looks like that thing is happening
but something is still funny with/without the debugger
 
user47589
maybe your computer is infected with a clown virus.
 
9:02 PM
very fu... ck you
 
Wasn't there something about some security researcher who had computer problems and was convinced it was some super virus
 
Turns out he was running Linux and never realized it
 
@KendallFrey I don't get your point. I'm talking about, merely for diagnostic purposes, changing the way the catch works to see if the problem still presents
 
^ I want to do that to "Windows Support" when they call
That reminds me, I should get that VM on my new PC
 
Does anyone here use Telegram?
 
9:16 PM
Wait. What's the new name for VMware Player? I can't find it from their website.
 
Do anyone know why the jquery ui autocomplete returns "null" as a result once you keep entering text to the text box ?
 
Own
how can I call a static function from client side two. for example
public static string rest(string para)
{reruen "rest"}

I am trying it as
$(buttn).on("click",funtion(e){
location.href=href?rnd=<%:=TEST(TXT.TEXT)%>
});
 
That code won't compile, and even if it did you're calling the wrong method name
 
f'n slobs
get a job
 
i have a job
 
9:26 PM
a cronjob?
 
@Own ASP.NET?
 
Own
yes
 
@SteveG Are there cron jobs to make you money?
 
pfh, i wish
 
@Own I'm assuming you want to make an ajax call from the browser, and you're trying to use server-side tags.
 
Own
9:29 PM
@MikeAsdf yes. because in server side tag I can call this function but it runs when page is load and I can not pass parameter
 
@Own Step 1: You probably want to look at these: api.jquery.com/jquery.ajax and api.jquery.com/jquery.get
Step 2: You probably want to create a dedicated url endpoint to return json
 
Own
hmmm... I was searching direct approach to call without using ajax
 
Well what do you want?
Your original comment said you wanted the client to call it
Ajax is practically the only way.
 
Own
yes, I wan to call function directly inside <%testClass.test()%> -- its worked
 
Your approach with using tags is doing that call on the initial page request
It's part of the initial page's rendering
 
Own
9:33 PM
Can I call this on client side button click?
 
^
 
Do you want the button to cause a postback?
If no, you need ajax
 
^
 
anyone know is there is "publish" history for sites or Web application projects?
 
or
you could use
an update panel
 
9:34 PM
I'm having war flashbacks
 
lol
 
@Codeman hmm, what kind of security policies?
 
@Own this seems like a good overview for the json/ajax options johnnycode.com/2012/07/16/…
Oh wow it's from 2012? Well I guess it's ASP.NET, so that's fair
 
user47589
@Michael no, if you want to keep a history, you'll need to do that yourself
 
@Amy thanks, since we are using tfs, someone published the site by mistake, I cant tell who.
 
9:37 PM
@Michael What kind of details? Who-done-it? Commits that made it into the deployment? Just timestamps?
 
@Michael it'll be in the history
 
Own
@MikeAsdf thank you very much
 
Does anyone here play Phase Shift?
you should
 
!!google view tfs history
 
9:38 PM
Thank you
 
user47589
i thought you were talking about the Publish tool in VS, my bad.
 
do you want to see my website from 03/04?
table layout FTW
 
Oh god I looked up my old website
Oh god oh god
Why did I put so much information on there
 
I forget what host I used for mine
maybe freepgs
 
here was my webhosting company i owned
 
9:43 PM
@torvin just stuff like data protection, them being able to wipe my drive
so... my boss asked me to do an interview in an hour, I need some good quick questions
I'm gonna just use VS Code rather than a whiteboard because whiteboards suck
 
@Codeman what type of position?
 
@ReedCopsey SDE2, intermediate. It's an internal candidate from another team
 
Is SqlCommand.ExecuteNonQuery async? Because it seems to be acting that way
 
@ReedCopsey why? you have some good ones?
I'm probably gonna open on "can you explain how X works?" non-trivia type stuff, like "how does a garbage collector work", and go to a coding question shortly thereafter
 
9:52 PM
"can you explain a difficult issue you had to debug, and your approaches to it?"
maybe some teamwork questions, make sure he's not afraid to ask questions and seek help when working with part of a codebase he's unfamiliar with
(A recurring problem I've seen with some hires is that they beat their head against a problem too long instead of asking about shit, all the while claiming everything's fine.)
 
solved : )
 
that's not the goal of my interview, I'm a technical tester
 
@Codeman What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?
 
@mikeTheLiar african or european?
 
Well, I - I don't know thaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
 
9:56 PM
Has anyone ever encountered a situation where an MVC method call results in a 200 (OK) return, but the method being called is never hit?
 
Offtopic question but do you guys know if SSD to HDD transfers are any faster than HDD to HDD?
or does the bottle neck affect the ssd
 
@Codeman is it going to be a programming interview? Or just technical questions?
 
my boss told me the main goal is to determine how well he writes code
 
@KevinDuke I would imagine they would be no faster. The HDD write speed would be the bottleneck
 
@KevinDuke HDD write speeds and readspeeds are much slower
 
9:58 PM
Who here got into programming to make video games?
 
ah so same with HDD to SSD right? Bottlenecked
 
I got into programming to make lots of money by not working too hard
 
just the moving of the head takes forever compared to ssd.
 
haha
@Codeman That's the correct reason
 
but i was reading that maybe it's slightly faster with ssd->hhd because less overhead with caching
 
9:59 PM
HDD to SSD would be faster than vice versa.
 
@GregRos I must say I was inspired by video games, but I didn't just have games in mind when I started.
 
What did you have in mind?
 
I guess that would depend on how fragmented the disk are @CodeWarrior
 
idk. coding
 

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