« first day (1521 days earlier)      last day (3653 days later) » 

17:07
posted on December 15, 2014 by Visual Studio Blog

To help make it easier to work with “big data” in your apps, we added support for Hive queries and management of data clusters with Azure HDInsight, the Microsoft Azure Hadoop cluster solution for Visual Studio. For Visual Studio 2012 and 2013, HDInsight support comes in a Visual Studio extension in the Azure SDK, and it’s baked into Visual Studio 2015 Preview. The extension m

17:24
What is the best way to merge models together, where one model relies on two other data models without duplicating model building?
models as in MVC/MVVM architecture?
or MVP?
or Flex
or models as in Hot skinny blonds? Because merging those would just create a "Give him a high-5 forever" award
Miew vodel viewdol mew
17:33
@RyanTernier ow
safe for work?
OS Streaming - one good method of virtualisation
Wow, is that how all coffee discussions go? WE usually talk about stocks, hockey games, stupid countries, and why our kids stress us out
@RyanTernier Over coffee?
17:35
@Sippy Oh yea. Or we talk about who has the most alcohol stashed in their desk
@RyanTernier Ah more like it. :D
COmpanies XMas party was at the Vancouver Aquarium. Our table was by the dolphin tank
my girlfriend befriended one. It "stood up" beside her the entire night. It was so cute (especially after she had her 10th drink)
blocked on my domain
I'm doing Model View Controller.
that link
yes
17:47
yea...
18:05
@ton.yeung yeah but I don't buy apple products
18:17
it's really dumb that they don't even have a web client
@Pheonixblade9 It's really dumb that they're really dumb. #dumbapple
battle of the 5 armies out already?
on wednesday, right?
Guess it's too good to be true haha
probably spyware isn't it?
Yea, found the real address. probably just hacked the sccfb.com website to get this on there to get people to sign up. sccfb.com/recipes/controbutors/…
18:23
There is a radio show that focuses on nothing but praising Apple
Does anyone see anything weird with this?
$(document).ready(function () {
    $('.Preload').hide();
    $('#btnSubmit').click(function () {
        if ($('.Preload').is(':visible')) {
            $('.Preload').show();
        }
    });
});
It isn't actually hiding the element.
19:12
Where do you create a Custom Bundle, in the Global.asax?
For those who have worked with XAML, is it not possible to just create a listview with a bunch of items in and group them according to my want? Or do I have to use C# for that?
19:38
@KendallFrey - Did you misrepresent me on purpose, or on accident? :)
@Greg - console.log($('.Preload').length); and see if there is more than 0 of them on ready
Anybody here use fogbugz 6?
@Nathvi does anyone use Fogbugz besides Joel Spolsky?
I would assume so.
FogBugz is an integrated web-based project management system featuring bug/issue tracking, discussion forums, wikis, customer relationship management, and evidence based scheduling developed by Fog Creek Software. The feature tracker allows users to manage, filter, sort and navigate a tree-structure of tasks, that contain information, tags and attached files related to a particular issue. Discussion forums and wikis may be created around any topic and posts/pages may be added into the same. Users may integrate their email accounts into the system to send/receive email and create issues regarding...
@TravisJ You mean re JS meeting? I didn't misrepresent you at all, I just quoted you directly
19:45
@KendallFrey - So on purpose then, okay. Just wanted to hear it from you.
What the hell are you talking about
@ton.yeung FogBugz is Trello's cash cow
@KendallFrey - You let the people I specifically state as being essential to the room think that I included them in my first statement.
@TravisJ I did nothing of the sort
@KendallFrey - You did. And simply including the message you left out made it more clear.
I don't mind that you quote me, but do read up on context.
19:48
Why did I need more context?
You expressed concerns about two (2) room owners
I forwarded those concerns
Was I supposed to link every message from you from that day?
@KendallFrey - Yes, and you conveniently left out the praise of the other owners implying that I grouped all the owners into the group with the two mentioned.
@KendallFrey - Nope, you just left 1 out.
@KendallFrey - The one with context.
I did not imply anything
And without it, you quoted me out of context.
@TravisJ I figured it out, now to learn some Bundling and how to do it.
You did.
@Greg - okay :)
19:50
@TravisJ Let's go to the JS room.
I don't know why you feel the need to attack everything I say, but it's getting really annoying.
@JohanLarsson - Join me there now
@KendallFrey - I don't know why you felt the need to make me seem like something I am not.
mini-avatar time I think
19:54
in JavaScript , 25 mins ago, by SomeKittens
@TravisJ - Ah, in that case I totally agree.
@someDoge - Did you recently change your username? JHawins?
wtf is even happening in here?
@someDoge - It was all there, Tim Post seems to also have a different idea.
Where do you think the idea for room meetings came from?
Now move on.
Well, I bought a wireless track ball, it's working pretty good.
yeah, keep the drama to a minimum, fellas :)
I'm the whiny bitch around here
@Pheonixblade9 - lol
Well it should be done now.
20:03
It never ceases to amaze me, the infantile fits 20 ~ 30 year old men throw.
:)
feels good occasionally
@KendallFrey - Don't think I am attacking you man, I am sorry. You are cool. Just if you quote me in the future, don't leave out the good things I say as well.
yeah @KendallFrey is an asshole, but he's a fair asshole, to everyone! :D
hahaha
10 messages moved to Trash
user1596138
Hides only my messages?
20:06
I think you need to calm down.
no, actually
I tried to move the entire off-topic conversation
Removed from chat for 1 minute.
I missed a couple :) yours were just the easiest to spot
CALMER THAN YOU ARE
@drch - haha
20:07
@TravisJ fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
@drch power is so much more epic in caps
@Pheonixblade9 ;)
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
ITS SO L33T
Am I still room owner here? Can't see on mobile
1337 XD
20:08
@drch - of course
oh, so I am getting an offer from that consulting company
@drch yep, you are. I can remove you, if you want! :D
ok good. As you were.
Please don't spill over our drama here kind people. I haven't had an actual argument with anyone about this "drama", it is in fact not even drama. Travis just criticized the JS room and some people in it (which is totally fine) - no need to drama about it :)
@BenjaminGruenbaum no problem. You are a good contributor here :)
@BenjaminGruenbaum - Well more like, a few people in it. Apparently the part where I said how the room works was left out.
20:09
@Pheonixblade9, what type of consulting?
all right everyone, let's just go back to bashing the C++ room... like old times...
@Nathvi software engineering, of course :)
Thanks, and sorry for whatever drama it might have caused here.
no, Java
C++ room actually got a lot better over the past year.
JAVA IS POOP LOL
20:10
I know, it's disappointing.
stupid people and their ability to change.
I just remember awhile ago I popped in and was told I wasn't allowed to ask questions and I was like "LOL NOPE"
I don't remember any drama in C# tbh
Was funny when C++ got closed though
You have less than half the message traffic so there's that.
C#'s type system is really annoying :v
I think it has a lot to with being on topic the majority of the time
Not that it's a rule it just seems to happen more
@BenjaminGruenbaum - But the typing is what allows for generics and lambda expressions
@TravisJ yeah - but bad enums and no ADT, and type inference is annoying and I can't return anonymous types :(
20:15
Is it just me, or are programmers really passive aggressive?
@BenjaminGruenbaum - ADT? I tend to just use classes as opposed to enums because there is usually some associated behavior. Return an object and type it as dynamic?
@Nathvi - What do you think?
@drch Because we're awesome!
2
@TravisJ I don't want to type it as dynamic - that beats the point of having a static type system :P
lol
20:16
Let's say I want to have a method that returns either an object of type T or an object of type S, how would I do it in C#?
@BenjaminGruenbaum I can't really argue that.
haha, funny
In TypeScript for instance that'd be : T | S
I wonder why it is that way.
@BenjaminGruenbaum - Yeah, T and S would both have to share a base type like an interface
20:17
@BenjaminGruenbaum You would have to define your type at usage.
@TravisJ that would lose type information though, I don't want to return a super type - I want to return either T or S.
@BenjaminGruenbaum you'd create a supertype and make a method with something like this...
@BenjaminGruenbaum - Overload the method. One returns T, one returns S.
I understand how polymorphism works in C# that's fine.
@TravisJ same arguments - remember - C# has no return type covariance.
Correct, the signature would need to be different as well
20:18
Explicit interface
Which is not the case in my use case.
public static T CreateCategoryBuilder<T>() where T : ICategoryBuilder
@BenjaminGruenbaum - If that is true, then how do you know you are getting back an S or a T?
What does the caller look like?
type checking is smelly
@drch Yeah, that's the hack they use and how they justified explicit interface (at least according to Eric Lippert's blog IIRC)
20:19
@BenjaminGruenbaum have you come across something like that ^
@TravisJ you'd pattern match.
Check for properties?
@Pheonixblade9 yes, but that's not a particularly good solution.
You can return dynamic
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh I agree. Just saying, it's all compromises :)
20:19
@drch which would again beat the point.
javascript is wonderful in a lot of ways, but I do find it easier to step on my own toes.
Not necessarily
@TravisJ think about Nullable as a special case of this - how do you know if you got null back or a T?
If the caller doesn't care and calls another method that has overloads for T and S, the correct one would get called using dynamic
Also - it's very annoying that there is no structural typing and no protocols (protocols as in extension methods that can make a class implement an interface from the outside).
20:21
@BenjaminGruenbaum - I guess it depends on implementation. But checking for ( == null ) is common.
@drch I don't want dynamic though - I want to enjoy the typesystem.
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree with that one - I've wanted to do that feature and can't figure out anything apart from just doing an abstract class.
@TravisJ I normally .HasValue, but you can check how Either is used in Haskell for example to get a general idea of how it'd be used.
I'd need to see the calling code. I don't understand how you can have a method return two types without the caller having to do type checking
I think Reed would generally agree with everything I said :P
20:22
I assume th calling for code wouldn't look very c#
He'd say that the type system of C# is weak and would ask me why I'm not coding F# :P
@BenjaminGruenbaum - HasValue works for int? or similar, but for objects you need the == null check.
@drch well - IMO they did a lot of good work but the language has to evolve - as much as it hurts I think they could really benefit from removing stuff out.
@BenjaminGruenbaum - That sounds like Reed
@TravisJ that's another bad part of the type system - having free nulls is bad.
@ton.yeung most of us do - but this is a theoretical discussion on the language :P
20:23
I avoid nulls these days. I treat nulls like Optional<T> like Reed was talking about
@BenjaminGruenbaum - One of the creators of F# was also involved in creating generics though :)
@TravisJ Yes, I think they were afraid they were going too far with generics but haven't gone enough. What they did is a lot better than what Java has IMO for example.
Yeah, but that was years ago. C#6 makes simple sugar improvements.
They're not adding anything as important as generators or generics or lambdas. That's a shame.
there aren't a lot of core language improvements. Most of it is in the class libraries
I'd also love it if they had proper enums, C# enums su.
@BenjaminGruenbaum how do you mean? Ones that are actual types and not just masked integers?
20:26
@Pheonixblade9 If you had strong enums you could do union types with them - imagine:
I feel like I know what union types are... could you explain, please?
enum Either<T,U>{
     case lhs(T);
     case rhs(U);
}
Unions in C#?
@BenjaminGruenbaum context: I studied CpE, not CS :)
What we talked about before with methods that return T or S.
20:27
@BenjaminGruenbaum interesting, but doesn't that expose a lot of the same problems as multiple inheritance?
No - it's not both at T and an S, it's just either one.
Here's our favorite Nullable:
enum Nullable<T>{
    case Some(T);
    case Nothing;
}
oh I understand that
I'm just thinking in terms of flow
Oh, you'd have pattern matching with proper non broken switch-case
if you're writing proper functional code it's not a big deal, but the kind of code some people write, it feels like it'd be a land mine
I don't think it would - in fact it'd be a lot safer.
Also - I want mixins :P That's more of the protocols thing above.
20:30
@Pheonixblade9 is CpE not the same as Electrical Engineering and CS?
Still can't picture the calling code without type checking
@drch - reflection?
@drch first of all, you can add something like Select to it to (more like ContinueWith) add chaining but that'd bring us to the fact C# doesn't have strong abstractions over chaining itself which requires having async/await as a part of the language rather than built with it.
And in this case I can picture a Wrapper(T)
@MoonOwlPrince computer engineering. I learned how to build electronics.
20:32
returnsTorS() match { // generally something like this
     case T x => workOnT(x);
     case S x => workOnS(x);
}
(That's similar to the Scala syntax, C#'d (not exactly)
@BenjaminGruenbaum - You could use a type action dictionary
Makes sense. @Pheonixblade9 Confirm you are licensed by the IEEE as well
That feels kind of smelly to me, but a Wrapper could still handle that
The IEEE does not issue personal licenses.
I am certified by the state of Michigan as an EIT. It's pretty much useless in my current career, though.
!!afk have to go
20:34
o/
Nice chat, talk to you all later.
cya @BenjaminGruenbaum
drop by any old time ;)
\o won't leave you hanging man!
Whatever happened to Steve?
20:39
@drch - He comes in on fridays
lol
ha
Man I have 16 hours travel time on weds
They should really have Christmas every 2 years like the Olympics
Would also be cool to have a summer Christmas and winter Christmas
@MoonOwlPrince - Alan Turing created the first "State Machine" in 1936 and I believe that is around the time the phrase was coined. It was epic.
A Turing machine is a hypothetical device that manipulates symbols on a strip of tape according to a table of rules. Despite its simplicity, a Turing machine can be adapted to simulate the logic of any computer algorithm, and is particularly useful in explaining the functions of a CPU inside a computer. The "Turing" machine was invented in 1936 by Alan Turing who called it an "a-machine" (automatic machine). The Turing machine is not intended as practical computing technology, but rather as a hypothetical device representing a computing machine. Turing machines help computer scientists understand...
@drch - Simple, go to Australia. Summer Christmas.
My respect for Alan Turing keep sgrowing
> A theoretical black hole with a mass equal to the mass of the observable universe would have a radius about equal to the radius of the observable universe (black holes become progressively less dense as they become heavier).
...wait, what?
I invented a drch machine but the wiki page got deleted
20:44
I wonder where they got that
If that's true...what's the difference?
@TomW That's amazing
@MoonOwlPrince - Yeah, so many good contributions
It doesn't matter
Intellectual contributions should never be undermined by anything political
They should call it the fabulous Turing machine out of respect
@ton.yeung, his proof of the halting problem is awesome.
20:51
HAMMERZEIT!
I especially liked how he helped England in WW2
"During the Second World War, Turing was a leading participant in the breaking of German ciphers at Bletchley Park."
@ton.yeung - Not sure? I first learned about Alan Turing in my finite automata class.
I'm really annoyed that they put a love interest in The Imitation Game. Alan Turing was gay, folks. Not that I wouldn't consider turning from gay to straight for Keira Knightley...
he wuz 1337 haxor
@ton.yeung I'm saying gay men aren't interested in women, generally.
I am happy they made a movie about him, he was a badass
> It has been estimated that Turing's work shortened the war in Europe by as many as two to four years.
Hi guys? Anyone ever made 2 or more MySQL executes with one connection or even a different one within the same c# file? For some reason, I only get the first one to execute, but it ignores the second
20:55
@ton.yeung :P ass, lol
Which is why we should all remember to be open
@thommyjonasson you have to worry about connection pooling, throw the code up on a gist or something and I'll take a look
The middle east needs to be a solution
Indeed
@Pheonixblade9 Alright, give me a second and I'll rearrange it like I want it to. Tried so many ways now.
We need to develop a solution that migrates all the women, children and innocent men. Then develop some AI that tracks the ISIS crucials and bombs them

« first day (1521 days earlier)      last day (3653 days later) »