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17:01
Not sure though. It could also have been @xxx since he was trying to have a constructive conversation with @zigi about the moral implications of viewing online pictures of people without their garments on.
@TravisJ it was zigi, then Kendall invalidated, then you invalidated.
then it was invalidated :P
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@TravisJ i did no such thing
@rlemon - What would I do without you?
morning all
17:02
@TravisJ die of scurvy
> online pictures of people without their garments on.
well put
@rlemon - I was thinking be lonely, but scurvy could happen too.
rlemon: preventing scurvy since 1593
@rlemon - Have you made many single page apps?
or anyone else for that matter
I am curious about how very large single page apps are structured on the back end to ensure that they don't just reside in one large file.
You compile them.
17:06
Is all the html in one place ? I know that the scripts factored out, but what about the html files?
@ton.yeung - Is there a naming convention or tiered approach to factoring out the views?
@ton.yeung Somehow reminds me of jqueery.com
@TravisJ I use browserify which enables me to use require in regular JavaScript files. A grunt task is compiling them into one file in the background, on each change, with source maps to the real code. Views are seperate HTML files, also compiled into JavaScript and included in the final output.
@RoelvanUden - The page doesn't load each time the content changes though right, it just ajax's everything into place
I am going to have to make an SPA inside of my application because of how complicated this single feature is
@TravisJ No, you grunt your entire code base into one file while devving. Once you're done devving, you deploy the single file. That's it.
@RoelvanUden - Interesting. So it is all "cached" from the first page load?
Is there no ajax/websocket involved?
17:10
Jup. Everything is already there in a single HTTP call.
Otherwise it'd get needlessly complex :)
What if part of the application depends on server calculations?
Only whatever you call from a REST endpoint
Your server is just degraded to a data store, it doesn't do much otherwise.
Right, it would just return json data which would be manipulated in the page
Exactly.
Cool :)
How many lines of code do the compiled files usually end up being?
17:13
Uhm.. super small. My last SPA was 5kb excluding libraries
With libraries (in the same file trololol) 250kb
That
Does the data from the page usually come from a call to a REST endpoint?
Or does the page information tend to be static?
Jup, or other services (e.g. Google Maps was used for my real-time GPS tracking SPA)
okay
So they are highly dependent on js being enabled
Without JS there is no app at all
My business stuff doesn't work without js either. Honestly, who disables js?
17:17
I do.
<noscript>So you are the one.</noscript>
And add exceptions where appropriate :P
Do you do it when you are trying to undermine a website? I can't image always browsing with js disabled.
The biggest problem with SPAs was that they didn't get indexed by Google Bot. But now that Google is capable of doing so, the best reason to dislike SPAs is gone.
Luckily the chat wiki was indexed by archive.org or else I wouldn't have been able to bring it back. All the data was in the database for the page.
17:19
@TravisJ I have a plugin called noscript. It disables all JavaScript on all pages, and I can enable JavaScript for domains/subdomains where appropriate. It provides a very real and powerful defense against malicious attacks.
@RoelvanUden *What* malicious attacks?
@ton.yeung - I realized it randomly and rejoiced :D
@ton.yeung Indeed. It's the reason to use FireFox
@KendallFrey Y'know.. all of them
Firefox is not properly sandboxed.
I haven't got a single virus while browsing with chrome. And I have tried on occasion to get them just out of curiosity.
@RoelvanUden JavaScript is not a security hole. Shitty browsers are security holes.
17:20
FireFox with all plugins disabled, NoScript, Ghostery, Adblock and Better Protection is the best thing ever in terms of privacy/protection while browsing IMHO.
Shitty browsers include Chrome/FF/Opera/etc. There have been more threats to Chrome than IE last year as an example. Don't put your head in the sand because you think your browser is awesome ;)
I'm not worried
The whole point of a virus is to avoid being detected. If you got it through browsing and it's laying low and not doing notable stuff, then it was a very good virus.
I do all my browsing from the windows update file browser.
So, you guys do stuff like this at work?
I like to make sure websites have as much access as possible to my registry :)
@RodrigoSilva - urban?
17:25
@TravisJ Oh maw gawd, lawd jesus
I will find whoever added that definition and slay his/her entire lineage
@ton.yeung Seriously... hahaha
TECHNOLOGY
THEY HAZ IT
And they read an entire window of code just like that
I have to learn their ways
@RodrigoSilva You can't? Wow, you suck.
@RoelvanUden When will I learn that skill? Who do I have to kill?
You need to watch all the great hollywood teachings. CSI, NCIS, Hackers, Person of Interest, etc etc etc.
17:34
@TravisJ not really
@RoelvanUden There is one show which is actually pretty fun to watch: silicon valley
the web apps I've made in node are single page.
heavy on the server side, light on the client.
And it won't have you face palm every 5 minutes
I didn't watch to watch that. I tried one episode. Hated the lead.
"3 guys invented an algorithm that beats teams of several hundred people that have been working on it for decades! woohoo!"
17:37
@RoelvanUden I find it fun, it's a bit too much though, I guess.
I assumed he sufferd from social anxiety or something
@Pheonixblade9 Give it a shot :P
At least he didn't use VB to track the killer's IP address
18:03
guys how do I set this dll reference in Visual Studio 2010? .. "In “Main.Core” project, you are required to set a “Project.ErrorHandlers” DLL reference (from your "Libs" folder)."
@ton.yeung Well, I don't actually compile it, but I think everyone creates some sort of "logic tree" in their heads, right?
@RodrigoSilva I just had to laugh when I read this - because my dev's get pissed at me for doing that all of the time :p
@ton.yeung And yes - I think that's part of it - if you read code line by line, it's very slow
and unless you're using a language like F# that's (mostly) linear, you'll miss the errors anyways :)
@ReedCopsey I don't think anyone actually reads line by line though, right?
Unless I am looking for something specific (i.e bugs)
There are plenty that do read line-by-line. I don't.. but I know a ton that do.
yeah - many(most?) devs do, I think
18:08
Lol. Haha I didn't even notice that one :D
Our code requires you to read line-by-line, because if you don't, the speed bumps destroy your suspension.
@ton.yeung y u do dis to me?
food
nuuuuuu
so they have this at a burger place just down the hill from my house:
Coming along nicely
main problem is we keep coming up with really good ideas
that are pushing back out deployment timeline
but we don't want to hold off on them, since they're going to be compatibility issues, and we're trying to work them all into this release
;)
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18:15
we're not really in a rush in this case - would rather take out time here because it's going to be impacting stuff for a long time period moving forward
@ton.yeung I think you're craving for something :P
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@ton.yeung ya. I prefer to call it in a more humble way - preserved egg.
@ton.yeung yes - we've got it out to customers in beta right now
18:17
Century egg or pidan (Chinese: 皮蛋; pinyin: pídàn), also known as preserved egg, hundred-year egg, thousand-year egg, thousand-year-old egg, and millennium egg, is a Chinese cuisine ingredient made by preserving duck, chicken or quail eggs in a mixture of clay, ash, salt, quicklime, and rice hulls for several weeks to several months, depending on the method of processing. Through the process, the yolk becomes a dark green to grey colour, with a creamy consistency and an odor of sulphur and ammonia, while the white becomes a dark brown, translucent jelly with salty or little flavour. The transforming...
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@ton.yeung me too yesterday. I didn't it like when I was a kid, now loving it.
but also just the fact that the work we've done is really enabling other things that were never possible/practical before
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me too!
I try buying Taiwanese made products more
They got influence from Japan and seem to care about their products more.
I am pretty sure I accidentally ate it once. it wasn't disgusting, but it wasn't good. too rich
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There's a Taiwanese opening a supermarket in Vancouver and opened up a few chains in Toronto. They revamped the Chinese supermarket space in Canada.
@ton.yeung T&T
18:21
@ton.yeung it was in soup with pork
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recently got acquired by Loblaw, another super big chain
at a legit asian restaurant.
in my experience, you know as Asian restaurant is legit if mostly Asian people are eating there
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@Pheonixblade9 true in most cases.
I don't like my company's development cycle... it makes testing a hell hole.
@ton.yeung Please don't post sperm-looking pictures in chat (•̩̩̩̩_•̩̩̩̩)
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18:23
I am assigned to test temporarily, but we basically test from the latest bleeding edge source, no particular build #
@ton.yeung it's his favorite. He learned from his mother.
@ton.yeung I like my rice yellow, so when I saw a pale greenish spotty liquid, my brain searched for a match, and rice was not the first on the list.
@VibhoreJain whats up
@KendallFrey do you put cumin in it?
@KendallFrey sperm on the head
18:26
I don't make rice, I eat it
you should learn how to cook :)
I should
@ton.yeung It sure as heck isn't red. I wanna show you, but first, let me take a sample.
Anyone know why this won't hover, but then it won't offset along the parent element?

        $(".Course-Text-To-Display").hover(function () {
            $(this.parentNode).next(".Tooltip-Text-To-Display").fadeToggle().css({ position: 'absolute', padding: 5, fontSize: 12 });
        });

            <div class="Content-Header">
                <div class="Training-Course"><%# Eval("CourseTitle") %></div>
                <div>
                    <a class="Course-Text-To-Display"><%# Eval("CourseLinkTextToDisplay") %></a>
import antigravity
The hue I got is 68. If that's not greenish, I don't know what is.
@Austinh100 export vomit
18:30
out trash
in cest WTF brain
out of 360, or 100?
@KendallFrey still have sperm on the brain i see
yes, if you see it please wipe it off
Oh. My. God.
Look at. Her. Build.
thanks, but no thanks, you moron
It's been 5 minutes now. 15 more to go.
Good thing we got that task to reduce build times today.
The one to reduce build times
We don't know yet, it's not done
18:52
@ton.yeung deletes system32 and calls it a day
less DB access in unit tests probably
if it has db access, its not a unit test
That's what we call them
They're really more like integration tests
YAY! Build complete, back to work
so what is the point of a test if it is essentially a DB access method and you just mock it?
@Pheonixblade9 Here they think mocking means something you do to the fat kid.
Now, yeah, but not year ago
As in a year ago there were people working here that aren't right now.
Actually it might be more than a year already
No
I am not sexy in yoga pants
And I am lazy
gif that at 20fps
nuffin
19:11
does anyone know how to create an RESTful API that posts an .xls(Excel File) instead of an xml file.
you could do a put
yeah i have a post example but I just found that it just send .xml file and NOT .xls
well you would either post a stream or write some custom modelbinder
depending on what you're trying to achieve
if youre just uploading a file, send a stream
well I just created a C# Class library that will handle the API, would it be a good approach? @ton.yeung
This is just me, since other people don't seem to have encountered this, but I feel like the mvc apress books encourage architecture astronauts and over-engineering.
I still own 3 of them because they do include good content, but as a whole I feel like they kind of go too far with the whole factory factory factory pattern.
LOL
sorry, the flags... they distracted me
Apparently there is a room titled "Bitch fight"
bbl lunch
19:29
@KendallFrey what is the canadian media saying about the malaysian flight?
are they saying it was the russians or the ukranians?
I don't know, I'm not in Canada
orly?
All I heard was Russian
a russian guy asked me today at work. think i might be on his list now
Hello All
19:43
he's actually from belarus
but is crazy pro putin
he said on day 1 "whatever happened, its ukraines fault because its their fault that there's a war going on"
and he had apparently heard, that canada was taking ukraine's side because we have a lot of "powerful ukranian" immigrants or some shit
yeah, we have a real russian on the team too. he says i don't have an opinion - i don't listen to the news.
but the belarussian dude is crazy pro-putin
I think we have a couple people that speak Russian
Belarus (/bɛləˈruːs/ bel-ə-ROOSS; Belarusian: Белару́сь Bielaruś pronounced [bʲɛlaˈrusʲ]; Russian: Белору́ссия, Респу́блика Беларусь Belorussia, Respublika Belarus’), officially the Republic of Belarus, is a landlocked country in Eastern Europe bordered by Russia to the northeast, Ukraine to the south, Poland to the west, and Lithuania and Latvia to the northwest. Its capital is Minsk; other major cities include Brest, Hrodna (Grodno), Homiel (Gomel), Mahilyow (Mogilev) and Vitsebsk (Vitebsk). Over 40% of its 207,600 square kilometres (80,200 sq mi) is forested, and its strongest economic sectors...
@ton.yeung I would like to use MVC for my restful API, ist a greate idea u gave me, but in my case i will call my .dll class library from SQL Server 2008 so that is why I am doing a C# Class library, what do you think of this? any thought?
"call my class library from sql server" ??
do you mean the other way around?
@drch I think he means a CLR function?
19:51
yes, in SQL server Management it is possible to add dll Assemblies an execute then as you want
beacause i will create a Job or task schedule to call this api and send report information to another software
;)
sorry, I'm leaving for a week's vacation in 4 hours, I'm already checked out
north carolina >.>
somebody thought it was a good idea to have a wedding in north carolina in July.
it's been bad enough getting 90+ degrees in Seattle, now I'm gonna have that with humidity. Not looking forward to the swamp ass
IN order to use linq2sql, do I need to reference the Enterprise LIbrary?
@abhi don't think so
@Pheonixblade9 what do I need to reference in my c# project
well I'd use entity framework rather than Linq to SQL
LINQ-SQL is deprecated
EF 6.0?
add from Nuget?
sure
but read about it first
what are you even trying to do?

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