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20:00
@Moo-Juice I know, I love that site.
@ton.yeung, I try and be respectful regardless of the make-up of the audience. :)
Yeah, going to a dinner party with a mixed-race couple, looking at photos of their firstborn and going "what's up with the half-breed?", is a sure-fire way to not be reinvited. (anecdotal, not me)
oh wow. that's bad
For all of your programming wisdom and anecdotes: thecodelesscode.com
Mind you, it's not all about race.
@Greg Nope :(
@ton.yeung What are you talking about?
20:03
@JLott Clearly, he's talking about sex.
There was a recent family barbeque. There was a science discussion, and I started a sentence with "My favourite astrophysicist, Neil de-grasse Tyson states...", and I was interrupted when my father said "You have a favourite astrophysicist"? to much laughter :/
Ahh I see the comment now... Yeah I don't get offended.
Everybody loves talking about sex.
NO EXCEPTIONS.
(actually most people love doing it)
I'm considering selling my iPad..
20:04
(rather than talking about it)
3rd Gen retina display, what should I sell it for.
sailors got their swearing from the marines ;)
There is a truck I really really want lol
Finance? :P
1967 c10 - $2500
@Moo-Juice Banks will not finance something that old lol
20:06
Yeah I'd go down that route.
Mmm :)
ugh, i hate old trucks
You do reaise that it will cost you more per year to run that, than the asking price?
327 V8 - Column shifter
i dont understand why everybody gets so hard over them, i think they look like crap
20:06
They don't make them like they used to...
i can agree to that
its beautiful sniff
Plus they just increase in value
@JLott, that truck won't
lol
20:07
I want to get the paint fixed up. @Moo-Juice Yes it will.
i like the way old cars kill you in an accident
It is not in bad shape for 1967. It just needs a little TLC.
@drch I like the way new cars kill you in an accident
@JLott, that truck will decrease in value. Wait 5 years, and you'll get it for a few bucks. When a vehicle leaves the forecourt of the dealership it depreciates immediately 20% +. Now, if it's something like an Aston Martin, or other luxury vehicles, yes... it can "appreciate".
But that's a piece of shit truck.
So good luck with that.
:)
@Moo-Juice You are ignorant.
old vs new
20:09
@JLott, no - I worked in fleet management for over 10 years.
@JLott, you can "pretend" as much as you like.
Either way, it is the truck I always wanted. I have seen ones fixed up go for 20k
Then FINE, if it's the truck you want don't let myself or anyone else dissuade you.
But don't believe it's worth something more than it is.
@Moo-Juice Then why has a Shelby GT 500 gone up in price so much? As well as a 1963 Stingray Corvette? Classic cars can go up in price, even non typical ones.
And you'll have nasty running costs.
@Greg, you've answered your own question :)
20:11
I also want a 1967 Shelby Mustang Fastback
that was my first vehicle
@Moo-Juice A classic truck can appreciate then, which in turn states your remark as a moot point.
I don't understand people who like old vehicles, i love the new electric ones, with fricken touch screens for everything
I want my vehicle so silent i could scare old grannies with it
Firstly, "moot", and secondly - although there perhaps may be a market for people wanting that truck, is it is (in global terms), far more niche than the examples you have provided - and the $2500 price-tag reflects that.
Go find my a 1963 Stingray Corvette for that kind of cash.
@ton.yeung Fair enough lol. She is beautiful as she is in my opinion
20:12
2nd vehicle
<3 Canada.
@Moo-Juice For what kind of cash?
I drive a freaking Chrysler Sebring Convertible lol
Now, if @JLott loves that truck and wants it and is prepared to pay the maintenance on it (which will run in to 4 figures a year), then good for her. Just don't pass it off as a 1963 Corvette, or something that is going to sell for 5/6 figures at auction.
@ton.yeung nope
Sure there is a market - it's just smaller. And if it's going for $2500 then it's not going to be in that market, is it?
20:13
@Moo-Juice is jelly
The reason to own a truck:
-Haul things
-Fill up the bed with things
-Lay outside at night watching stars
----Do things in bed of truck while watching or not watching stars
-Roll up bodies in carpets and haul them away.
@RyanTernier All great things
@Moo-Juice If someone really wants a truck like that, they will pay for it.
i like the subway
it gets me places quickly
i would probably be more inclined to collect old cars and drive new ones
@ton.yeung yeah f that
20:16
@Moo-Juice So the value will possibly increase, an example would be a Shelby GT-500. Quite common during the era, but more rare now. Thus the price tag has significantly increased. Plus the lore of the vehicle. How do you know what future generations will consider classic or ensure the value will increase?
@Greg, absolutely.
@Greg, quite simple really. It depends on taste of course, and @JLotts choice falls in to a particular niche. But that niche is not nearly as big as others (hence the $2500, overly affordable price tag). If that truck-class/make/model/year was in demand there'd be another zero on the end.
But there simply isn't. So yes it is "classic", but "classic" in the sense of your examples which make sense.
And that is entirely consumer-driven.
@Moo-Juice That is a valid observation, except it doesn't contain particular criteria to the sound of mechanics. Sort of like real estate, the low price tag may be due to area but does stand to reason that there is structural or other issues involved which depreciate the value.
@ton.yeung Lol
@Moo-Juice Contains variables that are missing, which doesn't allow an accurate depiction of value.
20:20
@ton.yeung So funny.
@Greg, correct. But if I am out to buy something classy to show off and I have a choice between some good looking things and a truck... well, where am I going to go? Nothing wrong with choosing a truck - but it's niche vehicle within a niche market, if you get my meaning?
how do you make a hidden field variable?
@Moo-Juice It is good looking to me :)
where do I put this on the script? <asp:HiddenField Value="String" />
This is my car.
20:21
@JLott, then all power to you :) I am not saying you should not get it - if it's what you want, perfect!
I need something way more redneck
I'm just being a pedant and saying that I'd not compare it to other classical choices :)
@JLott nice. I'd show you my ride but apparently we have to keep this chat room safe.... =D
I don't know if you know this but there are a billion of these cars.. everywhere..
@Moo-Juice In America before the lovely issue with gasoline, people with zero requirements for a truck chose a truck.
20:21
Mine actually looks a bit different now.
@JLott I'm wondering why you are in an open field. Dirty thoughts.
Added some random paint.
@Greg, and that's fine.
@LewsTherin Because I like in Kentucky.
But don't expect it to appreciate more than it depreciates.
Unlike your other examples.
20:22
@JLott So you live in an open field?
Hello geeks, have anyone worked with Dapper.NET ORM?
@LewsTherin Most people around here are surrounded by corn fields
@LewsTherin, obliterated any armies recently? And you should totally screw both the women in the story.
Haha I have not looked at these pics in a while
20:23
@Moo-Juice Whenever my madness takes over yep :P
This is what we do for fun:
@Moo-Juice Aviendha or Elayne?
@LewsTherin, Why not both?
@Moo-Juice Yeah but there is Min, so wondering. I think Min is rather hot.
20:25
No he is about to beat the shit out of him with a large stick
@LewsTherin, by definition she's also Min, so go for the other two...
Because the kid shot him (his step-dad) in the ass with a BB gun.
@ton.yeung I think he ran out of ammo
@Moo-Juice Lol! I see what you did there :P
They make BB guns look way too much like pistols...
@Moo-Juice The definition of a niche would usually require a more miniscule requirement. Not one that does clearly appeal to a large quantity of people. Kind of like a McLaren, the only reason it is so expensive is due to the fact the rarity, price tag, and image provide a lore to everyone but affordable to few. Where the truck provides a more appealing nature to the masses of people, whom are willing to purchase.
20:26
@Moo-Juice I've had Elayne, and the future shows me with Aviendha.. but two at a time would be awesome :D
Yeah but if it was a county cop he wouldn't
State cop would just tell him to not leave it out.
It is not illegal to own one or have it in your car in KY
Pistol
You just have to let the officer know there is a gun in the car.
@JLott So I was going to ask. How long can women go on for?
@LewsTherin What?
Having a concealed weapon is illegal..
@CCInc If you don't have a permit
20:30
@Greg, I believe we're arguing (debating? :) ), semantics. My original point was that I didn't consider it classic in the general sense... if it's what she wants? Great... but in general speaking... More trouble than it's worth. And not "classic" in my book
Feels like Friday. Demotivation abounds.
Well, yes @JLott
(and my book counts your examples, which make perfect sense)
Objective, huh? :)
@JLott Sigh, earlier someone mentioned that men don't last long. So how long can women go on for?
@ton.yeung Maybe you are right. They would let him go though lol
@LewsTherin Until they get tired??
20:31
@JLott When?
@KendallFrey Kendall, motivation here: how to read backwards from a stream.
@ton.yeung Oh yeah. Good point. :D
This is Kentucky's law:
527.020 Carrying Concealed Deadly Weapon.
(8) A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if
it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space [regularly] installed as original equipment in a
motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket,
regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a
(see full text)
"No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a loaded or
unloaded firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of
this subsection. "
@LewsTherin Well, since a stream is one-way by definition, you have to do it just like IEnumerable (which is also one-way)
StackOverflow C# Room. Where we discuss Gun laws and Truck depreciation.
Figures :P
Sooo... does that mean it is ok?? I hate how they word laws...
@KendallFrey Any ideas on how to read backwards from a stream. It's currently pissing me off lol
20:33
@Pheonixblade9 hows that bug?
@LewsTherin buffer
@drch lol, getting sick of the reproduction/gun chat?
bug is still happening.
@KendallFrey It won't work for a huge file
@Pheonixblade9 i went for a smoke and didnt want to scroll up
20:34
@ton.yeung I don't think there is anything missing...
@LewsTherin she would have better results at the pub
@drch At this stage I'm desperate I would just say "YES, TAKE ME NOW BABY!"
"Do you want to fuck me?" "No, because you are either a prozzie or a cop"
@drch Ha ha.
@drch if she's a cop, where's the problem?
20:35
@JLott, Let me get this straight. You want to buy a $2500 "classic" truck, and are inquiring in your state's law in concealed-weapon permits. In the C# channel. Are you planning some crazy .NET heist?
cops are allowed to fuck
@drch I ran SQL Profiler. I got the query that was causing issues. I ran it manually in SSMS and it worked correctly. So... it's broken in the C# somehow...
@ton.yeung I see.. KY gun laws are like the most lenient. I am reading through them.
@TomW i dont like handcuffs
I reckon female cops are hardcore
20:36
Making guns illegal means that only criminals will have guns. How is that a good thing?
@Moo-Juice Obviously has not spent enough time around me.
@drch I assume you mean because they're just handy
@LewsTherin Then you'll have to seek
I don't saee that yo9u'd be guilty of anything
@JLott well true, I have not ever spent any time around you :P
20:36
She definitely had better luck than the hapless man who filmed the 'A Guy Ask 100 Girls For Sex' video, who had to deal with angry women and having a drink thrown in his face.
@KendallFrey I tried seeking but it ain't working. Seeking by the byte count.
@Pheonixblade9 I am all for guns lol. NRA supporter right here.
^ proof that guys are whores
@KendallFrey there is a video of a guy asking 100 women for sex? did any say yes?
@KendallFrey book each of them for assault
20:37
dude i do that social experiment every weekend
it's a perfectly reasonable question
@TomW Oh yesh
I'm not going to search for that at work.
Women overreact.
Yes or no. No need for slapping (ow!) and throwing stuff
on sunday, we were chatting up these two chicks that ended up being married to one another. what a waste of time.
20:38
Women actually do that?
I've never been slapped. Guess that means I haven't been outrageous enough.
@KendallFrey When you are bored you can try it. Read forwards from the stream, and backwards. Probably 100 bytes forward, 100 bytes backward.
I'm pretty sure if a woman tried to slap me I'd catch her hand and laugh in her face
@Pheonixblade9 I don't dare risk it.
@Pheonixblade9 2 hands, yo? And a head butt if that fails.
@ton.yeung I just read that in KY you can legally carry a handgun in your car if it is visible or locked in your glove box... I need to figure this out.
Americans and their guns.. :O
20:39
@LewsTherin there's a lot of negative things about having tics and being on edge all the time, but superior reflexes is one of the positives :)
@Pheonixblade9 tics?
A tic is a sudden, repetitive, nonrhythmic motor movement or vocalization involving discrete muscle groups. Tics can be invisible to the observer, such as abdominal tensing or toe crunching. Common motor and phonic tics are, respectively, eye blinking and throat clearing. Tics must be distinguished from movements of other movement disorders such as chorea, dystonia, myoclonus; movements exhibited in stereotypic movement disorder or some people with autism; and the compulsions of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and seizure activity. Classification Tics are classified as either...
@Pheonixblade9 i had some girl recently who grabbed my head, put it between her tits, and then when i came up for air slapped me across the face
@Pheonixblade9 Oh yeah
@Pheonixblade9 Not a single one said yes.
20:40
not sure if turned on or extremely pissed off...
@drch Lol!
got me right in the fuckin ear too
That's a way to disarm a fella.
@drch definitely not worth the legal hassle of punching her in response
you'd get off...eventually
nah, she was black too so it could have been a hate cirme
20:41
I would have definitely requested more head grabbing
@drch Ok, maybe not
bringing a helmet to the bar next time
People who get all riled up when a minority group gets 'slighted' are racist.
once in a dingy metal club some really stunning young women came scrounging change, apparently for their bus home
@ton.yeung "Kentucky courts consider firearms located under a driver’s seat concealed “on or about” the person, and are, therefore, unlawful. Firearms located in glove compartments, locked or unlocked, are not considered concealed." Boom you can carry a handgun in your car without a permit.
20:42
@Pheonixblade9 It appears so. For a guy, I'd say a success rate of 1% is good enough.
I mean, they were customers, and presumably ran out of money
@KendallFrey that's because if the media reported on black-on-black crime in the US like they did for this Zimmerman bullshit, people would freak out
I coughed up, one of them got hold of me and planted a pretty damn good kiss on me
I was like...ok
good
did you know that 700+ children were murdered in Chicago in the time since the Zimmerman incident?
@TomW "ok.. what do i get for a fiver?"
@Pheonixblade9 yes i saw that youtube video as well
20:43
@Pheonixblade9 same bug?
@drch if I was with my wits to get that out fast enough and she hadn't dashed off, definitely
That Zimmerman thing was a bunch of crap
@ton.yeung Correct.
guns are bad mmkay
F'n royal bank of Canada is using computers that seem "almost" real, giving them names asnd asking people for their credit information (SIN #, names, etc)
@drch with ya there man
20:44
@drch People are bad.
so why on earth would we give guns to people?
im afraid of americans
@ton.yeung That seems to be right. Not sure about behind the seat. That really isn't in view...
I watched a cop show once, they occasionally interspersed old US footage with newer british stuff
@drch Yeah. Guns, knives and shiz.. jeez.
20:45
haha @drch where are you from? don't worry we're not all gun crazy
@akowalz So we can protect ourselves and shoot deer.
there was some cockpit cam of a stop on some guy who'd been seen armed in a wal-mart or something
So I have a computed column that's randomly missing from "SELECT *" results
@akowalz im from Canada but I live in the UK atm
he was carrying two M1911s or similar in shoulder holsters
20:45
@ton.yeung You are right...Interesting.
@JLott If no one had a gun, wouldn't mace be enough to protect you?
he proceeded to lecture the officers on how it was his right to have them
he was correct
Time for another "this is impossible" to "this will obviously happen" learning adventure...
@KendallFrey Taking guns from everyone is impossible..
@TomW those people are shitheads
20:46
@JLott Prevention
@drch maybe, but he was technically correct and he has every right to defend his rights
@JLott it really seems to do more hard than good. I'll conceed those two cases, but having strict laws isn't going to prevent you from getting a gun for those things.
the worst thing in any civilised society is people in authority abusing said authority
@TomW sure, but he also should expect to be questioned by police for carrying around assault rifles in public
@TomW cough politicians
20:47
@KendallFrey We see things differently. I want protection and we actually do hunt for a lot of our food.
as he explained, loudly, you don't need any form of permit to carry openly in Ohio
Assault rifles in public lol.
i hate those twats who do that shit and record the police trying to make it seem that theyre violating their rights
he was completely within the law, hadn't threatened anybody
@JLott I don't want to spend money to be protected.
20:47
@ton.yeung The only input is another column on the same table, which is non-nullable
@akowalz We use high power rifles to kill animals
Open carry is just ridiculous, you're looking for trouble
sorry bro, but if youre walking down the street with an SMG, id like the police to make sure youre not on a murderous rampage
and I did mention that this was a cockpit cam, so this was recorded by the police
But, hmm, the computed column itself is marked as nullable
20:48
@akowalz Open carry is frowned upon here lol
thumbs up
Not illegal, just frowned upon.
if the police or the public of Ohio have a problem with Ohio's gun laws, take it up with Ohio
Like masturbating on an airplane.
@KendallFrey Fair enough lol. But when it takes the police 30+ minutes to get to your house, I want something.
20:48
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@ton.yeung I dunno man. They can't just start to enforce more laws on new purchasers? some sort of grandfather shit?
@JohanLarsson Right to the geeknads.
I agree it's stupid, but the guy exercising his rights isn't the right venue for protesting it
@JLott Ok, that's fair. Do you need machine guns t to kill animals?
@KendallFrey I don't understand
20:49
C# programmers can't reproduce lol
@akowalz yes, for the megabear
@akowalz Lol. I actually do not know anyone with a machine gun. This isn't Detroit.
@KendallFrey ok, that was the intention
@JLott Right to the 'troitnads
20:50
Is there an offence of drunk in charge of a firearm?
@ton.yeung I hate that argument. Try it on for size here: "If you don't sell bombs to the people, then only ciminals will have bombs! Therefore we need to allow everybody to own bombs" Same situation, doesn't make any sense....
@ton.yeung Well some of them don't have to be modified.. They are basically full auto.
"If we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"
strawman argument right thurr
It's just asking for trouble, regardless of how you spin it. Sure, allow people the protection they need, but regulate it!
@JLott Basically as in full auto or not full auto?
20:51
No one should be able to buy a gun on the internet... (disclaimer, I have no idea if people do that)
@KendallFrey Mainly semi-auto
Even my brother has a semiauto
regulation is a shit
When will we get one-click taxes?
Sometimes I wonder if I am a republican....
@ton.yeung Alright, fair point. I don't really like it thought lol
20:52
I kind of approve of the overall liberalism of the US in certain areas
i.e. right to do x
When will we get one-click sex? I feel like AdBlock is depriving me of something...
:P
but 'right to do x until you screw it up' would be preferred
@ton.yeung I don't know if I know anyone with one or not honestly..
@KendallFrey Lol
any conviction for any sort of violent crime, lifetime firearms ban
20:53
@ton.yeung And there are a lot of things I side with on the democratic side
any alcohol or drug related crime, instant lifetime ban
@TomW personally, i dont really have a problem with guns in the home. its just scary everywhere else.
"hot accountants in YOUR area are desperate to do your taxes NOW"
any violation of ban, lengthly prison sentence
@Mike rofl
20:53
@TomW is there really much liberalism? I'm not sure.
it depends on you definition of liberalism
the right to do x
@ton.yeung there's gotta be something they can do. Updating laws to make people have new permits? Doesn't seem so hard. Bureaucracy probably makes it tough though
I take it as 'letting people do what they want'
like unlocking your phone?
20:54
@Mike i would sign up to that shit for sure
"hey baby are you in NORTH VANCOUVER and interested in tax deductible business expenses?"
@akowalz America just has problems anyways... we want freedom, but there is the line between freedom and security that no one can agree on.
do nothing about those
@ton.yeung Well, make them get the new permit too! If they're caught with out, confiscate the gun! we do it for cars don't we?
@ton.yeung just make it increasingly onerous to not be banned for trivial offences
@drch Don't use the company credit card to buy hookers.
20:55
I'm no lawmaker though, this is probably incredibly complicated and I'm overlooking A LOT
@ton.yeung In KY you don't need a permit to buy any gun.. especially at a gun show lol
Is it possible to do a postback only on what's inside a div?
@KendallFrey i think you can in germany. they charge sales tax and errything
such that almost everyone incurs a lifetime ban before they ever have the opportunity to buy one
think you can get a receipt
20:56
@kaser Selective form submission? I dunno
guns kill people :(
@kaser People kill people
there is a Barrett .50 owner's club in the UK
@drch Can you get a refund in under 30 days?
Fire also kills people... water kills people..
20:56
PS, in berlin, they are HOT AS FUCK and relatively cheap
@JLott Yea, I don't not regulating guns is "freedom", it's just stupidity. Making it easier for violent crime to happen.
@JLott expected that.
just sayin
@kaser Maybe something like this?
@akowalz They just don't know how to regulate them...
20:57
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A: Selective submission of form elements

PointyYou can set the "disabled" property of the elements to true in order to prevent them from being submitted.

it's hard to get a licence in the UK, but you can have more or less whatever you like
same bug. lead is back, helping me
It's about intended use. The idea is, if you have a gun, and you're not hunting with it, you're going to be shooting someone with it @JLott
except anything meant to be fired with one hand
@Mike can I use update panel?
20:57
absolute ban with no exceptions except a 'section five'
@akowalz My brother shoots nothing all the time
@akowalz Firing ranges are fun.
^
#devilsadvocate
section five means you're allowed, as a civilian, to own any weapons system whose name is written on the document
@ton.yeung except that it works in most of the rest of the western world
20:58
@akowalz People collect guns here. It becomes a hobby.
other than that, sure
and that can include anything up to surface-to-air missiles
Yea, I'm sure that's a factor, and people want to use them on ranges
i dont even like connecting on a flight in the USA
@kaser Maybe, I dunno. It's been a long time since I've worked with ASP.NET and all its "fun" AJAX tools.
20:59
you guys like to grab my balls and make me take off my shoes
section five was meant for curators of museums and such, who couldn't prove the vintage machineguns, missiles, cannons etc weren't decommissioned
Plus with the people I know around here, if our guns got restricted we would just build the gun we wanted...
@JLott 3d print your next gun

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