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3:00 PM
@MartijnPieters yeah, STV is pretty good, I wish real elections worked like this.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum some do. About 20 city councils in the US use it.
The history and usage of the Single Transferable Vote voting system has been a series of relatively modest periods of usage and disusage throughout the world, however today it is seeing increasing popularity and proposed implementation as a method of electoral reform. The Single transferable vote has been used in many different local, regional and national electoral systems, as well as in various other types of bodies, around the world. == Early history == The concept of transferable voting was first proposed by Thomas Wright Hill in 1819. The system remained unused in public elections until 1855...
 
On the topic of 3 vs 10, I have seen a trend in internet sites where given more than 2 or 3 choices, fewer people even decide to choose so lesser choices are even made. That could be an argument for the general populace having a small attention span of course.
In more wordy sites, it tends to add confusion for visitors, too many options to weigh differences make it harder to choose.
EG... less is more...
 
Which is why the pile keeps getting sliced.
There will only be 10 candidates when the actual election roles around.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Arrow/Gibbard Satterthwaite - these are great points, I am glad I read this today.
 
Can I still edit my nomination post in primary?
 
3:15 PM
@JeffClayton it just means there is no perfect system - I can find you a presentation that explains voting systems intuitively without going through the math or I can give you a similar lecture that goes through the math.
 
@Seth ahh cool
 
@Unihedro I can't remember..
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum no argument here
 
Why argument? I asked if you wanted more reading :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum haha I meant no argument to 'there is no perfect system'
Personally I am thrilled to see there is more to this than just 'vote for people and see who gets it'
 
3:18 PM
There is a science behind voting
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I just clicked on it and it downloaded...
 
awesome, enjoy :)
This is from intro to ai, there are slides that prove what they claim (the theorems) as they go from a course I took but I think they'll be less interesting and more confusing most likely
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum more than most people have bothered to share ;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I took that course as well ;)
 
Enjoy, and if it interests you this goes into much more detail - these voting systems aren't just interesting - they're also immensely useful when you design distributed systems that scale and need to coordinate based on different criterion. There is a lot of hybrid research that involved voting and fault tolerance and it gets interesting :)
@MarounMaroun Cool :) I still warmly remember Jeff (and his brother Bob) as really smart and really nice people. The more interesting stuff imo was in his smaller courses (Like introduction to multiagent systems).
Also, didn't realized there were people with that much rep from Israel I didn't know - nice to meet you :)
 
3:24 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I still feel sorry for myself that I didn't participate the introduction to multiagent systems
@BenjaminGruenbaum nice to meet you too :)
 
@MarounMaroun if you really want to I'm sure Jeff wouldn't mind if you attended - but it requires going to Jerusalem which sounds like a lot of work.
@MarounMaroun we have a small community in the JS Room with @SecondRikudo and Mosho
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thanks again, this is truly good stuff.
 
With pleasure
@MarounMaroun your music stuff is really cool btw
 
The AI course we took was more of a game theory class, each week we had a different decision-based language (LISP for example) and we were to come up with a solution to a puzzle using it. It was rather exciting. Just mentioning that I took that course with experience in multiple languages actually was the deciding factor in getting one of the jobs I got later.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm honored :) thanks a lot
 
3:31 PM
@JeffClayton nice :)
 
As with most things, exposure to a wide array of options gets rid of fear of the new and different.
Looking back, it really did help in my job and the ones after, not just in the interview process but according to the instructor, she wanted us to have good experience in many programming platforms.
 
In practice, people care less about what languages you know and more about your ability to learn. Knowing many languages is usually a good indication of that.
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@BenjaminGruenbaum I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
So, in unrelated news, any updates about the SF mess?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i play many games .. does that count :D
 
3:45 PM
SF mess? Please update me
 
@JanDvorak meta.serverfault.com/questions/8054/… inb4 it looks like shog is wrong but he's actually really right
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Smart employers do.
Not all employers are smart employers.
 
@SecondRikudo dumb ones you don't want to be working for anyway.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, it's a good indication
 
Shog is usually very right
 
3:49 PM
I feel like I just took a 30kg dump, after successfully reimplementing a monster 1MB PHP file in well written, well tested (unfortunately) Java.
What a relief :D
 
@SecondRikudo Gratz
 
@SecondRikudo 1 MB PHP file?!
 
@hichris123 I know :D
@hichris123 It factored into a total of 13 Java classes (not including interfaces)
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think the whole thing is a gigantic miscommunication and I hope it's resolved soon.
The whole thing just gives off a bitter taste.
 
@SecondRikudo for mod!
 
4:01 PM
I'm surprised @MartijnPieters doesn't work for SE given stuff like meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289975/…
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm still pretty sure @MartijnPieters is Joel's sockpuppet or something.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How hard is it to google a little..
Granted, I did listen to that podcast.
 
4:15 PM
Pity the Red Baron badge isn't (yet) implemented; that post now almost qualifies.
 
That was one hat I never could get.
 
@SecondRikudo ... how many lines was the PHP file?
 
@hichris123 Approximately 20k lines
With a couple of smaller includes
 
woah
 
\o
 
4:46 PM
/p
 
/o/
 
[-_-]~
 
\.[-_-]./
 
4:54 PM
:(){ :|:& };:
 
/({$alert("ur an idiot")})/.test("")
 
@MartijnPieters ssshhhhh
 
If anybody's interested, I've generated weekly activity histograms for all the current candidates, up to last Monday (I'll update this Monday after data dump). It includes reviews, but excludes votes and flags. No graphs, just data right now.
The lack of votes and flags skews it a bit.
 
you could tracked flag counts if you load each profile every day
 
5:09 PM
Yeah; but I find the past more interesting than the current time, I suspect a lot of the nominees don't have their usual usage patterns at the moment.
 
In latest news, who's below the fold so far?
 
I imagine there's a way to write a browser plugin, or authenticate and scrape the site or something to grab vote and flag details, as long as candidates volunteered to run it themselves then submit the data back. I dunno.
 
@JasonC How is date represented in the date column?
 
@AstroCB Seconds since Jan 1 1970 00:00Z
 
5:14 PM
@JasonC Ah; I thought it was milliseconds and was utterly confused.
 
Ha. Yeah, I converted to seconds because kst2 doesn't support millisecond timestamps.
 
5:27 PM
@bjb You're back in.
 
Ooh yay
Wait… how?
 
@bjb568 Jeremy's out again.
 
for now
 
^
 
I still see 32 candidates.
 
5:30 PM
and one of them is you
 
@AstroCB ♫ You put your nomination in, you take your nomination out, you put your nomination in, and you shake it all about... ♫
 
the deathmatch is still on!
 
@bjb568 There were 33 this morning.
 
Both me and astro are in the red still, we need to get above hichris.
 
I don't think so
Ty211 and The Wobbuffet are out
 
5:33 PM
To be the 30th candidate, I need to rise 2 and astro needs to rise 1.
 
you're already 30th
it doesn't show 31 and 32 unless you click the link way at the bottom
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 5 mins ago, by bjb568
Election stats: (30 / 32 noms, 3 positions)
bjb568             4776 21/40
AstroCB            4820 21/40
hichris123         5039 22/40
Shree              5460 17/40
Unihedro           6638 24/40
Hemang             7211 22/40
Andy              11198 29/40
Undo              11410 30/40
Alexis King       11861 25/40
Michael Irigoyen  12173 29/40
Mooseman          12270 29/40
Ed Cottrell       14027 33/40
Sergey K.         15282 34/40
Jason C           18435 36/40
rekire            18991 36/40
Idan Adar         23232 35/40
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 secs ago, by Alexis King
@bjb568 That list only includes the top 30 candidates. You're still in.
 
oh
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 38 secs ago, by bjb568
Election stats: (30 / 32 noms, 3 positions)
Ty221              3221 17/40
The Wobbuffet      4547 15/40
bjb568             4776 21/40
AstroCB            4820 21/40
hichris123         5039 22/40
Shree              5460 17/40
Unihedro           6638 24/40
Hemang             7211 22/40
Andy              11198 29/40
Undo              11410 30/40
Alexis King       11861 25/40
Michael Irigoyen  12173 29/40
Mooseman          12270 29/40
Ed Cottrell       14027 33/40
Sergey K.         15282 34/40
Jason C           18435 36/40
 
I'm thinking of generating graphs from the activity histogram data and posting them on meta, but I'm concerned that they may be unfair since they exclude vote and flag activity. What do you guys think?
 
5:36 PM
Somebody get Shee out.
@JasonC Meh, freedom of data!
Data are people too.
 
@JasonC why would that be unfair? you're graphing only publicly available data
it would be nice to have flagging and votes, but there's no way to do it
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 9 secs ago, by Unihedro
... I'm farther than getting eliminated than I thought.
 
Stack Overflow 2015 Moderator Election Chat: Tavern on the Meta, oneboxed edition!
 
YEAH!!!
 
> While it's true that you're not obligated to comment, I can see from your profile that you're active here, so I'm curious as to why you don't want to answer any of the questions asked if you're campaigning for this position. Communication is an important skill for a moderator to have. – AstroCB 4 mins ago
 
5:39 PM
heh, I just noticed I spelled shree without the r.
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Apr 2 at 0:04, by Mooseman
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> Not really a quote :p
 
@AstroCB you might pass hichris. He may not know that he's about to enter a deathmatch
 
Yeah, you have a headstart!
 
Shhh...the deathmatch sneaks up on everyone.
 
5:43 PM
hichris must never know. forget I said anything
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 48 secs ago, by SmokeDetector
@AstroCB Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Primaries begin in 2 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes and 3 seconds.
 
@bjb568 puh I was just confused why I didn't found myself in the list the quote is no compleat^^ I was cut off
 
:p
 
6:00 PM
I'm just thinking about my candidate score. I have 4 open points two badges I know: Marshal (257/500) and Refiner (43/50). my almost 19k reputation is another one what is the last missing point?
 
@rekire aren't you down two points because of your rep?
you need to gain 9 rep
 
@rekire Explainer
 
I'm not sure about that two points
ah thx
 
wait hold it you have that badge as well
 
yes I checked it too
 
6:03 PM
@rekire Shog's query from the other day has the full badge list in it. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/74583?m=22565332#22565332
 
@rekire you just got 1 point :D but its really hard context since there are some highly active user in context
 
(Also, I have a version that shows rep and a sort rank too data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/299466/…)
 
@NullPoiиteя that is both true
 
Nah, you're just missing Marshal and Refiner.
 
mine is 37/40 :/
 
6:05 PM
You had 18k rep according to the system (blame caching), which ate two points.
I have 24 points, ugh...
 
16 for rep, 2 for badges I'll receive by the end of this month.
 
someone said some days ago it would be easy to get the marshal badge... I think it is one of the most difficult badge since when I try to flag a low quality question it will been converted to a close vote. The only thing I can flag is spam and it is not sooo often^^
 
@rekire its really easy to get marshal badge if you have 10k rep
 
@NullPoiиteя tell me how, maybe I missed something. Well maybe not an answer flags...
 
6:14 PM
where is flag queue now ? :(
does they removed flag query from tools ?
 
^_^
 
^_^
 
why they removed it :( i love old stackvoerflow
 
hehe a nice one
@NullPoiиteя I just found a way to find a huge count of "not an answer" answers^^
 
 
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8:00 PM
Heh, I'm trying to generate plots for that activity histogram with the same Y range on each, but Martijn's kind of blowing everybody else out of the water.
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I'll have to give him a special case.
 
you hardly even need to plot Martijn
he'll win anyway
 
@JasonC would a logarithmic scale help?
 
Joe
Martijn, what is your secret for being able to have a job/life, and maintain so much SO activity. I mean, it's almost a no brainer you're going to be a mod now, and I'm sure you'll fit it in, do you just live of coffee and never sleep?
 
Martijn can bilocate
 
@MartijnPieters It's possible; right now I'm fiddling with series colors; I'll be checking out log scale next.
 
8:07 PM
@Joe Ninja skillz.
It just appears as if I am everywhere.
 
Joe
@MartijnPieters please teach me.
 
[-_-]~
 
@JasonC Activity histogram?
 
3 hours ago, by Jason C
If anybody's interested, I've generated weekly activity histograms for all the current candidates, up to last Monday (I'll update this Monday after data dump). It includes reviews, but excludes votes and flags. No graphs, just data right now.
 
8:17 PM
Oh. Fancy.
 
Hi
Please give me link where i can vote my favority candidate! ?
 
@jQuery.PHP.Magento.com You cannot vote just yet.
 
where's that countdown bot
 
From Tuesday 20:00 UTC onwards the primaries start, then you can vote to select 10 candidates for the actual election.
A few days later the actual elections take place, where you pick your top three choices.
 
@jQuery.PHP.Magento.com Right now it's just nominations; a chance for candidates to introduce themselves, people to ask questions, and a way to get a good overview of who wants to run. Votes are later.
 
8:24 PM
!!/so2015
 
@yellowantphil That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
doesn't work here...
 
Because @CapricaSix != @SmokeDetector
 
Primaries begin in 1 day, 23 hours, 35 minutes and 23 seconds.
CapricaSix could detect smoke if it wanted to
 
@yellowantphil oops, so Monday 20:00 UTC..
 
8:41 PM
Meh, voting and flagging are what I do, so that histogram doesn't play well for me.
 
Just starting to play with the data JasonC got, will post any purdy pictures I find.
And don't worry @Uni, I'll just fiddle it to make you come out on top :D
 
;D
BFF
 
@MartijnPieters Eh, I can't tweak the log scales to make them look like a good representation of activity.
Now I'm wondering how far back I should go. If I keep a consistent X range on all graphs but go back to the earliest date, it's like 2008. It makes the 2 and 3 year people look pretty noob.
 
11 months here.
 
But if I only go back a few years, folks like deceze, slugster, meagar, etc. don't get the old-schoolness they deserve.
 
8:52 PM
history is history
 
@yellowantphil My interpretation is that that was deliberate behaviour so that you can't avoid scrutiny. If you were restored to your previous position after unwithdrawing, you would be able to create and delete a nomination at the beginning of the primary, then undelete it later, so that it's never at the top of the page, so that fewer people see you and have a chance to criticize.
 
@JeremyBanks you withdrew?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum three times
@JeremyBanks makes sense
 
lol, ok then
 
8:59 PM
grumble bloody Martijn making life difficult.
user image
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Yeah, for example:
 
Hey, I'm not all that low.
 
Compare the two, lol.
Martijn has a few 1200+ event weeks; I capped the graphs at 800.
 
@JasonC that makes it look like infinite activity 😲
 
That's pretty astounding.
 
9:03 PM
@JasonC Good god.
 
Challenge: Find a reason that makes Martijn lose. Bet ya kant :)
 
@Unihedro His uh... period of inactivity in late 2009 concerns me. >.>
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@JasonC So lazy!
 
@Unihedro Easy, subtract every candidate's total sum thingy from 80000.
 
@MartijnPieters ^
 
9:07 PM
Can I get one of those for myself @JasonC ?
 
Yeah... I want these as a Stack Exchange feature, at least for our own profiles. :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sure; they take a while to generate because I have to scrape profile pages for review activity and avoid getting temporarily IP banned, and also slog through SEDE queries because of 50k result limit; once I finish tweaking all the nominee graphs I'll make one for you.
Really curious to see if votes and flags contribute much. @Shog9 likes data, maybe he'll cooperate with some sanitized event timestamps once the elections are over.
 
Sure
Thanks
 
9:33 PM
I've tried resampling the data into quarters, still messy as hell when you have so many candidates.
 
@bjb You caught up quickly.
 
tis easy to repwhore
:p
 
:D
@bjb568 if you wanna rep quickly make canonicals, those are super easy to rep with and are genuinely useful to the site - it also looks nice on your nomination
 
Hm… I was thinking of doing that.
What should I write one on?
 
Not sure, I recall you have one I upvoted from a while ago
 
9:43 PM
Maybe a float layout general reference?
 
This one I upvoted a while ago, do similar stuff, those are useful
Probably, anything you learned in the last month and had trouble with and couldn't find a good answer/question for but found a lot of really mediocre ones would make a good candidate.
 
9:55 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Stackoverflow really needs to add a special place for such canonicals and give extra special merit to authors who write them for stackoverflow instead of putting it on their blog.
 
Agree.
Will implement on DevDoodle.
 
what is that?
 
Ah just this website project I'm working on. In beta.
 
ok.
 
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Q: 2015 Moderator Nominee Activity Profiles

Jason CI've generated weekly histograms of activity for each of the current 2015 election nominees. This data consists of the total counts, per week, of publicly available activity (reviews, revisions, comments, posts, accepts, suggests, badges) and is intended to represent any activity events on the si...

 
10:07 PM
I'm concerned at Martijn's lack of activity in December 2013 for a brief period of time - do we really want a moderator that does that? — Benjamin Gruenbaum 22 secs ago
 
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Q: 2015 Moderator Nominee Activity Profiles

Jason CI've generated weekly histograms of activity for each of the current 2015 election nominees. This data consists of the total counts, per week, of publicly available activity (reviews, revisions, comments, posts, accepts, suggests, badges) and is intended to represent any activity events on the si...

 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Applies to me for '14
 
10:22 PM
Using the data @JasonC put together I made some more graphs which may be of interest. Primarily I plotted the "total" activity for all users on the same graph (what a mess of a plot!) as well as looking at the activity for all time for each user for each activity-type. — Ffisegydd 15 secs ago
I'll probably see if I can get some even prettier ones, but it's getting late so should head to bed.
 
Look - a stat I won!
 
:D look at Martijn's activity there though. Do we really want a mod who has suggested so few edits?
 
@Ffisegydd I don't know; I'm starting to doubt his candidacy.
Especially considering how poorly he did on all of those other graphs.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 26 secs ago, by SmokeDetector
@AstroCB Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Primaries begin in 1 day, 21 hours, 26 minutes and 2 seconds.
Looks like I lost the deathmatch.
 
giving up? you have two days left
 
@yellowantphil bjb gains rep quickly.
 
10:40 PM
@JasonC Nice!
 
10:52 PM
@AstroCB hichris isn't though. You two are < 200 away from him / her.
 
True.
 
@JasonC You should generate some data from the existing moderators for an interesting comparison.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding your concern about that.. People have lives, moderators take breaks. Moderation doesn't take the place of your real life. Vacations and holidays still happen. Do you expect your moderators to be 24/7 deletion machines? Because if so that just isn't realistic. Especially at the height of the (considered) biggest holiday of the year! — Seth 3 mins ago
 
@MartijnPieters @BenjaminGruenbaum Sorry guys, I'm really terrible at detecting humour/sarcasm online sometimes >.<
I can remove the comment if you want.
 
Naa, it's funny as it is :D
 
11:01 PM
ok then! :D
 
his activity graph is just insane :D
 
btw, hoping to see you in the nominations some year @BenjaminGruenbaum :D:D
@BenjaminGruenbaum IKR!
Off the cart! (if that was possible ;)
 
@Seth I'd love to help more but I really don't have time. I think there are plenty of worthy candidates this year and probably years to come and I hate the idea of having more power than other members. Can't speak for the future though :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I removed mine as it was too serious in tone (not the eggnog remark, the other one addressed at Seth) :-P
 
11:08 PM
@MartijnPieters /pink gravatar
 
@hichris123 sorry for drawing you into the deathmatch there. So by pink I can infer something about gender?
 
@MartijnPieters Yes – that he's a pink gravatar.
 
@Seth That's a good idea; although all the mod-only activities of the existing moderators isn't available. But their results prior to them being elected would be comparable and interesting.
 
@JasonC Indeed they would!
@BenjaminGruenbaum You seem better suited for the job than quite a few candidates :-)
 
Sigh, gnat reminded me that I should include meta activity too, and now I'm torn between wanting to follow through and really not wanting to update my hacked together application to support data from multiple sites.
 
11:17 PM
@JasonC but my meta activity will really show me up; the other candidates will beat me hands-down, surely? Include Meta.SE too though.
 
@Seth thanks, but I'm sure that there are 3 who'd do a better job this time, no shame in that :)
 
Although now I feel justified in all the overhead of setting up hibernate for the database.
@MartijnPieters Yeah, once I add multiple site support I can throw as many sites in the mix as I want; I'll probably present the combination SO + MSO + MSE in the posted graphs, and just leave the breakdowns on github. Still bummed about the missing non-public data though, but it's proving to be interesting anyways.
 
11:34 PM
@MartijnPieters Well, it depends. You could infer something, but that doesn't mean your inference would be correct. ;)
 
@hichris123: I was inferring that you were messing with me re. gender. Was I wrong in that inference? :-P
 
11:57 PM
@MartijnPieters Probably not.
;P
 
I thought I spent a lot of times editing things until...
Aaaand wrong graph :|
 
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