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12:01 AM
Hi, how can i vot for someone ?
 
you can't, until primaries start
 
Ah oke i was seeing Nominations close in 4 days. so i thought it was open ;)
 
nominations are open, and then they'll cut the list to the top 30, and then voting starts
 
The nominations are only for candidates to introduces themselves and respond to initial comments. There is no voting -- not even on comments!
Up/down votes for candidates, and comment voting, will be enabled in the next round, the primaries.
 
Oke thanks, I will vote for the one with the most given answers
 
12:04 AM
up and down? Hell, I might even vote for BJB. Err... against BJB.
 
@SvenB You won't have to rely on just what is posted in the nomination - each candidate will also be asked to submit answers to a bunch of selected questions, that will happen on Meta. There will also be one or two "town hall" style chat sessions where as many candidates as possible are present in the chat room.
 
What are your voting criterias ? in other words what are the reasons you vote for someone ?
 
because I want them to be a moderator?
 
You can vote for any reason you see fit. You should remember though that it's a responsible position, so while you could base your vote purely on how many questions someone has answered in a certain tag, it pays to be a little more selective than that.
 
But what are your reasons to vote for a specific person ?
 
12:08 AM
Personally I vote based on their contribution to the site so far. For example Martijn has been outstanding in Meta, he really knows his stuff.
 
12:19 AM
@SvenB For me, since we can pick 3, I am trying to find: 1 person with confidence, a good personality, and community support, 1 person who's been around for a while, is active on meta, and knows how the site works, and 1 workhorse who looks like they can handle cleanup in troublesome areas.
I've also been keeping an eye on comments the nominees have been making on questions around the site and such. I'm super excited for the primaries to start to see the questionnaires.
 
12:50 AM
If anyone's following the "deathmatch," @bjb568 has pulled ahead.
 
"deathmatch"?
 
BJB will physically die if he reaches the primaries. This is not a threat.
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13 hours ago, by Martijn Pieters
Interesting, so @AstroCB and @bjb568 are now in a deathmatch to gain enough rep to leave the other person at the bottom.
 
It could be that nobody else will nominate in the next 4 days. Or a bunch of people could nominate and push you both out.
 
@AstroCB There's your problem
Actually I guess you haven't posted an answer in 6 days. Not much of a deathmatch.
 
1:00 AM
@meagar Indeed.
@Doorknob Both are very possible.
6 hours ago, by AstroCB
@yellowantphil Possibly as the result of foul voting, but yes.
 
"foul voting" sounds... wrong
 
However, bjb hadn't answered anything this year until today.
 
You need a Hunger Games-style Sponsor to give you a 500 rep bounty on the final day.
 
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A: In JavaScript, how can I have a function run at a specific time?

AstroCBJavaScript is not the tool for this. If you want something to run at a specific time every day, you're almost certainly looking for something that runs locally, like python or applescript. However, let's consider for a moment that JavaScript is your only option. There are a few ways that you c...

I do like your answer
 
@meagar That would be nice.
 
1:03 AM
can it still be improved?
I wonder
 
I can only imagine bjb's emoticons if that happened.
 
... I think it did just happen :p
 
@rlemon Why not just wait for a computed amount of time?
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Aug 19 '14 at 18:46, by Unihedron
Hey, I place a bounty on this post if you want to polish that answer. :P
 
:D
well there can always be improvements :P
 
1:05 AM
That's very true.
Perhaps some JavaScript for OS X automation examples...
 
there is also now (and then, but not as prevalent) nodejs/iojs to consider
they have both cli and desktop capabilities
#just-saying
i've personally used github.com/ncb000gt/node-cron with success
I used it in my "12 days", @JanDvorak might remember
 
I'll take a look
 
It is just a suggestion. it is still a good answer imo
 
@AstroCB Are you planning to start answering some questions, or coast through the deathmatch? Or you could find some high-rep sponsor and have them give you a bounty
 
@yellowantphil I wasn't aware that there was a deathmatch until this morning, and I was, in an extremely rare turn of events, away from a computer yesterday (I had to review 20 H&I posts on my phone to keep my lead) and half of today, so I was just planning to hit the front page and see what I could find.
@rlemon Thanks; I'm glad it's my top-scoring one.
 
1:14 AM
@AstroCB Hmm, you could do bounty swapping, but I feel like someone would frown on that idea. I give you 500 rep this week, you give it back next week. Seems fishy, and unbecoming of an aspiring mod...
 
@yellowantphil That definitely sounds a bit sketchy.
 
bad idea indeed
 
Mostly, this is how I see it:
21 mins ago, by Doorknob
It could be that nobody else will nominate in the next 4 days. Or a bunch of people could nominate and push you both out.
 
And some of the higher-rep candidates barely even look like they want to be elected :-/
 
for instance?
 
1:18 AM
Shree: "As I don't have much ... comparatively to other participants." Well, are you not going to vote for yourself then?
 
Yes, I'm not wild about people nominating themselves and then saying they don't know why anybody would vote for them.
 
Nominees can certainly be confronted about those types of things in the comments on their nomination pages; they are valid concerns and now is the time to express them.
 
There's modesty, and then there is just... wasting people's time.
 
I'm still not sure who I will vote for :/ last year this was so much easier
 
vote for meeeeeeeee... wait, I'm not eligible
 
1:19 AM
2 days ago, by AstroCB
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 6 mins ago, by animuson
@AstroCB Happens every election. People crawl out of the woodwork for a chance at being mod and then when they don't get elected disappear off the planet again
 
Well there's still the primaries to go through, the choices will become clearer.
 
I probably will ask a lot of chat related questions
I think the chat is very powerful, and also very under appreciated. I personally only see 2-3 mods online in the public so chats at a time. often I have to go to chat.meta.se to get anything seen in a decent amount of time. I wonder if the new mods plan on spending any time in the chats after the election phase
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Mods are very active in quite a few of the chatrooms on chat.SE.
 
but not chat.SO
do they see our flags? (not mod)
 
No, chat.SO and chat.SE are completely separate (that's why I'm not blue here)
 
1:25 AM
I personally see Gordon, Bolt, and Theif in the SO chats. Otherwise (unless problems) I don't often see any mods hanging around
not that it is super important, but the chats (like I mentioned) are a very good tool on the network
 
@rlemon I'm a big fan of both chat and accessibility of moderators; I'd be on almost all the time. Right now I'm in MSE chat almost 24/7.
I kind of got swept over there after the split.
 
I'm more recently trying to be more active on chat.se and MSE chat
I'm not 100% but i'm pretty sure i'm the most active user on chat.so
 
I remember seeing you all the time back when I used to talk in the JavaScript chatroom. I wouldn't be surprised if that has been the case for a while.
 
I think it's amazing that employees are so accessible even on Meta, but the fact that some of them even come to chat blows my mind.
 
305583 messages in the chat
I don't have a stat on all other users, but I checked out Lounge C++ and I'm topping robot
 
1:30 AM
that is... many o.o
 
@rlemon I'm addicted to chat. Will continue.
 
good to hear
I as well am clearly addicted
 
1:44 AM
@rlemon I've stated previously that I don't hangout in chat because it's distracting at work, but if elected I will be on chat pretty much all the time when I'm not sleeping
 
2:05 AM
31 nominees up now
it says 31 but that one guy with 3000 rep doesn't show up anymore
 
That's the most nominees that I recall seeing in the last few years.
 
Wait, really?
That's not supposed to happen
 
I only see 30 candidates on the page, but it says there are 31
 
You're right; Ty's nomination disappeared.
 
There's a curious trend of nominees including a "why not me?" section, I'm not sure why that's going on. I think one person might have started it and a few have copied it.
 
2:11 AM
It's the new fad of honesty, it'll go out of vogue in a few days.
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I wonder if Ty will reappear if someone withdraws.
 
The new guy, Ed, his tiny avatar reminded me of a certain other avatar...
 
I would assume so, since the count is still at 31.
 
@meagar shudders
 
2:12 AM
who is/was that? It looks familiar.
 
^
 
@Doorknob It looks like there is a link at the very bottom of the page to "view all 31 candidates", leads to stackoverflow.com/election?all=true
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ah, never mind... I've located which user it is (but I still dunno which real life person it is, google image search isn't quite smart enough)
 
@meagar aha, that's it
 
2:19 AM
That link doesn't display correctly. Anyone planning to say something about it on meta?
"eligible and displayedsee all 31 nominees"
 
@meagar I believe you mean mustachify.me/…
 
@yellowantphil Go nuts, couldn't be bothered
 
@meagar ok
 
@slugster Some people did it last year, and I'd presume someone copied it for this year, which subsequently encouraged others to copy it as well.
 
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Q: Display problem for the link to view all candidates of the election

yellowantphilAt the bottom of the election page, it looks like this: ...eligible and displayedsee all 31 nominees It looks like it needs some punctuation and spacing.

 
2:27 AM
...where have I seen that before?
 
Two people did the "why not me" thing last year, the disease seems to have spread.
 
Well, it's a good way to generate an air of honesty and confidence, and implicitly defeat concerns of superiority; true or not it's a pretty reasonable political move, and relatively effective.
Good for public appeal depending on the crowd.
 
2:42 AM
Depends on the person too, if they're typically ones in their profile and other online activity to boast about their achievements, they might need to tone down things a bit. Other candidates would merely be harming their own chances by reaffirming why they shouldn't be moderators.
 
Yup
@Qantas94Heavy If done "right", the "why not me"s are very carefully worded to stay positive. They're sort of quasi self-criticisms that look good but aren't too damning. There's a few entries where the "why not me"s are a bit too convincing, though.
 
The old job interview response to "what is your biggest flaw?"
"I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and I tend to try too hard"
"I pay too much attention to detail and I'm always getting my work done ahead of time."
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"I'm sometimes so intelligent that the people around me find it off-putting."
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@JasonC Yes, but at least in my opinion, the fact that they've almost definitely copied that from other nomination posts they've seen definitely cancels any effect it would have had on me.
 
the deathmatch is on :P
 
2:53 AM
> I've participated less on Meta than I would like. I commit to being much more active there, even if I am not elected.
^ That's nice. I like the "even if I am not elected" touch.
 
nods. What's really annoying is those users who suddenly become super active around election time and then stop completely when they lose.
 
Personally, that just makes me feel like he should wait until later when he's actually demonstrated some participation on Meta.
 
I like Hemang's though, it's basically "Why not me? You tell me."
 
He's not too bad, but it continues to concern me when someone nominating themselves to be mod on Stack Overflow doesn't use the name properly ("StackOverflow" or worse, "stackoverflow").
 
I've had to come to accept that. I still correct it via edits whenever possible though.
 
2:55 AM
It definitely says that you're not on Meta too often.
I guess that's the only place you'd really see it used in text, and the logo can be a bit misleading.
 
Haha, where was that meta post about the text being wrong on the front door of the old SE office? Or was that on twitter?
 
I've seen employees use it wrong, though, so it's not too big of a deal.
 
What happens if AstroCB and BJB tie? Are they locked in a ring for another deathmatch?
 
I think it's first nomination through
 
3:02 AM
I’ll supply the bat'leths if you two want to have a deathmatch to resolve the tie
 
3:39 AM
> In the nomination phase, any community member in good standing with more than 4,509 reputation may nominate themselves to be a community moderator.
Yikes; it's getting up there.
 
That's just Wobbuffet's rep.
(it's cached, so it's actually under the real amount by 30)
 
 
3 hours later…
6:38 AM
Ohhhh, Ed Cottrell is running.
 
good morning btw
how is that?
 
yawn zzz
 
Good morning!
 
Yeah, 31 nominees now
Morning everyone!
 
I used to see Ed Cottrell around on the site, and the answers they write are clear and concise, which are one of the reasons why I remembered them. But I think they've been active on another site now, which made me surprised to see them running. :p
 
 
1 hour later…
8:07 AM
@Qantas94Heavy 31? I read somewhere that is was limited to 30
 
@rekire: it is, because a new person entered in the bottom person will not proceed to the primary phase if no one withdraws
but their nomination isn't removed yet
 
ah that makes sense
 
8:35 AM
"After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase."
 
 
1 hour later…
9:46 AM
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Q: Why is the blue background behind the usernames of the nominees not present unless one presses the "add/show comments" button?

Cool GuyWhenever I comment under my question or to a answer posted under my question, I notice a blue background behind my username like this: Why doesn't this background appear when viewing the nominees who are contesting the election? Why does it appear only when one pressing the add a comment or...

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Q: Only 30 candidate are eligible then why 31?

ketanIn election page at last there is written. Please note that due to the large number of nominees, only the top 30 nominees by reputation are currently eligible and displayed. see all 31 nominees. Only 30 nominees are eligible and then after see all 31 nominees. How it's? What is meaning of? ...

 
 
2 hours later…
11:43 AM
^^ OT; describes me well though.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:13 PM
Good <appropriate time of day> everyone.
 
1:41 PM
Good mornafterevenightâ„¢ everyone.
 
TZT :P
 
@Unihedro you edited that 30/31 post for tags but not the glaring formatting and grammar errors?
 
@durron597 Enlighten me? The grammatical errors were not that obvious.
 
He obviously is not a native english speaker
It's a good question. Probably one that would have been easily answered if he had spent another 5 minutes looking around the election pages, but it's still a valid thing to ask.
 
He also have a website of nowebsite, and his About Me says "no comment".
 
1:47 PM
@Unihedro So? My website and About Me are blank
 
@durron597 ... I'm not saying otherwise.
@durron597 ... I'm not saying that I care in particular either. My point is that it really doesn't matter whether they're a native English speaker. Editors on the site will fix problems in posts they can find anyway.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:35 PM
With Matt now nominating, that's now the 32nd candidate for the election.
 
Too many Matts.
 
Seems a little imbalanced to give the sort order of nominees by most recently nominated. Perhaps it should be randomized, or ordered by candidate score.
 
@TravisJ I believe in the voting stages tis randomised.
 
@Ffisegydd yes, it's definitely randomised during the primary phase, don't quite remember for the election phase though
 
@TravisJ Agreed; the most recent ones get the most attention.
People don't feel like scrolling through all of the text to get to the earlier ones.
 
3:44 PM
They definitely don't. Also, the whole model here has made users accustomed to seeing the best quality at the top so there is perhaps some subconscious disadvantages to being last on the list (first to nominate) as well.
 
@TravisJ I didn't think about that, but wow – that's definitely a factor as well.
 
Granted, if you follow every piece of action, and have even read the now 93 comments on Martijn's post, it isn't a big deal. But for people who are late to the party I think they would probably be subject to misunderstanding the order.
 
At this point nobody is late to the party. There's two entire phases of election remaining. The nominations are just an intro.
 
It's not going to matter. By the time the actual voting happens people will have seen the random-order primary phase for quite some time.
 
^
 
3:55 PM
@AstroCB @bjb568 The deathmatch is imminent! :O
 
As the candidates are static at that point, once people vote in the primary, they will likely not visit aside from checking the vote count. They will likely vote very early in the primary if they saw the nomination.
 
@Doorknob What are you waiting for anyway? You should try to become the youngest SO moderator ever
 
I know I am fairly aware of who I will vote for.
 
@durron597 Heh, I've been told to run by several people (and I did last year) but I'm passing on this year.
 
@TravisJ That sounds like a reasonable claim but you would need data to back that up. It could be something to ask about after the election.
 
3:58 PM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Apr 6 at 18:06, by Doorknob
Haven't been active very much at all on SO lately, and I'd be taking up a spot that could go to someone with less rep.
 
Wait, Doorbell, I thought you were already an SO mod?
 
@TravisJ I can't decide whether I want to vote for Raghav Sood. He's not in my top three, but he is in my top ~6 or so... but he's in the South Asia time zone. All the mods are saying that they really need more help in those time zones.
 
@JonEricson - Would it be possible to figure out the percent of votes that were cast per day in the primary? Day 1: a%, day2: b%, etc, once the round is clear.
 
@JasonC hahaha
 
I wish I could get more clarity from current moderators on that issue
 
3:59 PM
@durron597 - I really agree with the time zone issue. At night this place can get a little rough on the edges.
 
@TravisJ I wouldn't know, I'm asleep :) Which is exactly the point
 
@TravisJ I'm not sure. What are you trying to know?
 
@JonEricson vote count by percentage of day in week, I believe
Such as 50% casted on the first day, 25% on second, etc.
 
@durron597 I had the exact same thought. I ended up deciding that I support him pretty strongly for that reason. He's in "workhorse" category I was referring to earlier. I'm usually awake pretty late at night here, and see the brunt of some of the issues around that time. I think he's be super valuable.
The more I thought about it the more he grew on me.
 
@JonEricson - Trying to make inference on the influence of the nomination phase on the primaries. If a large percent of voting was done in the first few hours of the primary opening, or even if say more than half of the voting occurs in the first day, that would indicate most people made their mind up during the nomination.
 
4:04 PM
@TravisJ You would need votes per candidate, correlated with nomination order. Although it's still noisy, e.g. Martijn's nomination was earlier but he obviously has a lot of support. This would cloud the correlation a little.
 
@TravisJ Or even before. Hmmm... Stack Overflow is pretty much the only site that has a meaningful primary. Let me see if we keep that.
 
@JasonC - I think the level of influence that the nomination phase has would be indicative of how influential nuance in the nomination phase is. So if it turns out not to matter much, then the nuance probably does not matter much either. If it is rather influential, perhaps the nuance matters more.
Obviously Martijn is an outlier in the current set. Or at least, in my opinion he is.
 
@TravisJ You'd also want info about the position in the randomly shuffled primary list that the votes were made on. Otherwise you may have difficulty distinguishing users who didn't care about the nominations but jumped on the primaries and voted for the top ones there from users who based it on nominations. Although the randomness might help remove noise there. It's a tricky study.
E.g. if there is a strong % of first day votes on whoever was displayed at the top of the primary list for a given user, that suggests that the behavior is unrelated to the nomination phase.
 
@JasonC - Getting exact information on the orders would be very hard, hence the more broad approach of looking for influence, and then perhaps addressing nuance with best practice.
 
4:08 PM
@durron597 done.
 
@MartijnPieters Thanks. I should just get off my lazy carcass and get the rep to do that myself
 
@JasonC Eh... I don't think that conclusion makes sense.
 
To begin with, just because they voted quickly for the first post doesn't mean they didn't already know who they are - it would still be influenced by prior knowledge gained in the nomination phase.
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@Unihedro yeah, thanks, I always mess those up :)
 
4:12 PM
@Unihedro Let's pretend: I hypothesize that early voting users in the primary are influenced mostly by the order the candidates are displayed to them in the primary, and don't care about the nominations at all. Is that a reasonable hypothesis? Is it more or less reasonable than the nomination-phase based hypothesis? I believe it sounds just as reasonable. You would need to disprove it to add support for the nomination-based hypothesis.
 
@JasonC Eh, your proposed method doesn't prove nor disprove either of the hypothesis/ theories. :p
 
@JasonC - Yes but only you see your version of the order since it is randomized. Other users see different orders. Furthermore, if you refresh or revisit, the order changes. I don't see there being an advantage to one candidate over the other in that scenario.
 
@Unihedro No but it significantly clouds the nomination theory if it's true. That is, I claim that proof of the nomination hypothesis is weak unless the primary order hypothesis is disproved.
 
Ah, gotcha.
 
@TravisJ Yes, that is correct.
But as I hinted at above (maybe) you may need to show that users didn't just vote for the top candidates in their specific ordering of the list. You would need to show this if you're using % votes on first day as your primary evidence, because % votes on first day might not be related to the nomination phase. It might just be related to users jumping on the primary opening announcement. It's not sufficient to conclude that early voters were all influenced by the nominations. That's my point.
If that makes sense.
Note that I'm not arguing against you. All of these sound reasonable. But a significant amount of data would be needed to strongly support the claim. It would be really interesting if that data were available.
 
4:20 PM
It can be hard to interpret tone online :) Please take mine as neutral, I don't mind your analysis
 
@JonEricson Is the display position that a candidate occupies in the primary list tracked when a user votes? Or, is the random seeding such that it could be reproduced after the fact by somebody with back-end access?
(And if not, , for data analysis this year!)
 
Now prove that it's worth the effort for such an analysis and we might have a productive experiment. :)
 
@Jason errr... I'm guessing that's for the other Jon :)
 
@Unihedro We're programmers. Proof enough.
 
@JasonC - The primary link and the nomination link for the announcement will be in the same place. If they were going to jump in on the announcement it seems like they would have already visited the nomination.
 
4:23 PM
Sorry JonC.
 
@JasonC During the primary, I'm pretty sure the list is randomized on page load.
 
@JonEricson yes, but is it tracked? Can the seeding be reproduced? Or, behind all those questions - can we extract data from the voting patterns vs the randomized patterns?
 
@TravisJ Yup, that's a good point too. It might also be interesting to see, of the users who voted in the primary, a breakdown of % of the last time they visited the page during the nomination phase.
@JonEricson Do you think anybody would be willing to pop a display order field in the voting buttons and track that on the back end?
 
@Unihedro I gotta say, this is like trying to find patterns in the tea leaves when we already know the primary bias in these elections: reputation.
 
Well... hey come on don't be a party pooper, man.
 
4:26 PM
That's why we introduced candidate scores.
 
@JonEricson ... I'm not rejecting that, just interested in other patterns that might also play a role here. It's always better to know more. The more you know :D
 
I was getting all pumped up about having data to look through.
 
bbl
 
Later
 
seeya
 
4:30 PM
To be honest, I'm just really into analyzing things for no particular reason, and the elections are a gold mine.
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...
R&D addict ^^
 
4:42 PM
Hi! Just wanted to say thanks to all the candidates for volunteering. Moderation always is a demanding job.
 
Hi! Welcome aboard.
 
@MarkusWMahlberg - it's what geeky masochists do I guess? :p
 
It looks like Shree could get forced off of the nominations list: IIRC that sort of thing is grounds for forced withdrawal. – BoltClock♦
 
so disturbing. :p
 
@Jon Well, the geek part is self-evident I suppose. I wouldn't go as far as collectively calling them masochists ;)
 
4:45 PM
@yellowantphil Eh, they're from Nepal. That might explain it - internet might not be as easy to get.
 
@Unihedro They were seen just a few hours ago...
 
@Unihedro Maybe. I wonder if he’s planning to start answering questions though.
 
@hichris123 in that case...
Elimination!!! :D
 
Public service announcement: There are multiple Jons in this room. Please add at least one more character to your pings. ;-)
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Ok, Jone. :p
 
4:47 PM
(I feel Tim's pain. ;)
 
You didn't close your parenthesis correctly. :p It was consumed by the emoticon.
 
@Jon *space char
 
@JonE I count 3 that are valid ping targets...
 
@Unihedro Hm, that problem should regulate itself during elections. Provided we assume that we are assuming educated voters.
 
4:48 PM
@JonEricson :D
 
@JonEricson ok @jon !
 
5:08 PM
@JonEricson Makes me think of Sheldon Cooper and his restraining orders.
 
5:25 PM
@Doorknob Weekend time now! Will show who is more dedicated!
 
@bjb568 I feel some theme tune music should be playing :p
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@durron597 I think there're 3 candidates that can do that.
 
@bjb568 I’ll provide the bat'lehs for the final cage match, if you and Astro tie
 
@yellowantphil Every time I come in here you're pushing bat'lehs on somebody. Flagged as spam.
 
sorry?
 
5:27 PM
YOU BETTER BE
:P
 
I'm joking. :P
 
I don’t have any bat'lehs anyway :-\
 
Oh, now the truth comes out.
 
but I still want to see a cage match
Ty will come out of nowhere and pass you both at the last second
 
@yellowantphil I imagine that going down something like this: "yellowantphil: Unfortunately, I uh... lent those bat'lehs I promised you guys to somebody else today. But since you're already here in the cage, you might as well go for it, right? ... right?"
 
5:30 PM
I'm sure I could find some sticks or something
 
Sharp and pointy, I hope. Large trout are a common weapon, as well.
 
I don't have any trout either. I do have some large sticks. The contestants can choose between pecan and silver maple. My money's on pecan.
 
@durron597 Wait... Spock is ten times stronger than Kirk, but that was an even match
 
@yellowantphil whatculture.com/tv/… (and on and on and on)
 
5:43 PM
@yellowantphil think there's some stuff on Kirk vs The Gorn and Kirk vs Spock on SF&F SE :)
 
6:22 PM
@Unihedro Thanks for noticing and for the kind words! I have been busy doing lots of coding, so I have spent less time asking and answering lately. I'm still on here daily, though, researching, voting, and flagging as needed.
 
:)
 
@Unihedro I just saw some hours ago that you are canidating too. you'll get one of my three votes :)
 
^~^
I think I underestimated my chance of winning.
I mean, it's still small, but hey.
Thanks! :)
 
you are welcome :) the main reason is that you are one of three users which I already know from SO and I think you do a good job. So I already know who will get my votes
 
6:37 PM
Questions for candidates: what would you do in this case if you were Geroge Stocker?
 
@gunr2171 you mean to give our own opinions?
 
@rekire it'd be kind of pointless to do otherwise, wouldn't it? :p
 
This is an actual moderation situation, could this be handled better?
 
@JonClements well you are right^^
 
this is something you are going to have to deal with
 
6:43 PM
Also - there's a list that will be asked... so any Q's for the candidates, unless in adhoc chat, should go
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Q: 2015 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Grace NoteIn connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. Here's how it'll work: During the nominati...

 
This is an adhoc question, because
Due to the devolving nature of this, I'm deleting the question. You can edit it and then flag it for undeletion. If we're satisfied that you're actually posing a question to the community (and it's one that the community can actually answer/have input in) then I'll undelete it. Keeping this around without those changes is just a lightning rod for malcontent. – George Stocker♦
 
@gunr2171 sure... I would say it is offtopic since is has nothing to do with stackoverflow itself maybe better for meta.se however this is more or less a political question and still offtopic. it is fine to talk about it so it is maybe a question for programmers.se (but I have not the knowlage what is ontopic there right now). I think it is hard to find female programmers, and I guess that SE looks for the best and not for the gender
 
@gunr2171 SE was already striving to implement an SE female mentorship program - I offered to be a mentor (but I'm not female) so there were either enough suitable candidates or my experience of the industry was too different enough to be useful for the project they were attempting.
I could personally see that post descending into chaos
 
The fact that the post was on/off topic is vastly overshadowed by the general behavior of the post. How do you manage the post that "descends into chaos"?
 
I've have raised it with the other mods/community team with my concerns... and then see what happens
 
6:51 PM
I think overall as an industry, women with education or experience in the field are hard to find. Women overall tend to make different choices in school and do not go into learning about software. If anything it is a societal perception of software being "uncool" or for "nerds" (kind of ironic really seeing how many billionaire software owners there are).
That it somehow played out in that post as a user saying SE was hypocritical is rather unfortunate for that user, because it is an inaccurate portrayal of SE as a whole. I don't think that it was really seeking any feedback so I agree with the closure.
@gunr2171 - Rants which reach -20 are often deleted.
 
Some people can either take criticism and also give it back in a constructive way... or they just end up foaming at the mouth - because their "point" is so clear to them, they can't see another
 
@gunr2171 It was off-topic from the get go
"Social Justice Warrior infestation problem?" was never an on-topic question
Subsequent attempt to reword it didn't make it any less off-topic or opinion-based
 
George's topics were tolerant... trying to get to a point (if there was one), but ultimately, there was only so much time even with his attempt to salvage it, it then had to go
I assume good faith, and with a few comments, you can normally bring a person around to making a serious point be able to make that point effectively... and I want to hear people's points... if you're just going to degrade, ignore, get chaotic, potentially offensive...
 
@gunr2171 In answer to the larger question "How do you manage the post that "descends into chaos"?"
Leave a comment reminding people that comments below a post are not free-form discussion, clean up anything egregiously off-topic, monitor for a time to make sure it doesn't descend back into chaos
If it's more specifically rude chaos, remind those involved of the rules, clean up, monitor
 
Sometimes, there is nothing you can do with a user like that. Apparently they are too radicalized for their own good.
Phrase for the opposite of rose-colored glasses
 
7:27 PM
@JasonC slightly OT - but if you're really into analyzing things (although for a particular purpose), then you're more than welcome to check out sopython.com/pages/nidaba if you haven't already
 
@JonClements THIS IS AWESOME.
 
It's something that was started a while back, as is the sopython's wiki system available as free, we want to make the analytic free etc... so while we plan on doing Python first, anyone should be able to pick it up, carry on and etc... etc...
 
It looks to be still very much in the first stages of implementation unless I am not seeing some of the github code.
 
@TravisJ very first stages... some ML has been done... etc... but not an area of expertise - but of interest for us... so ya know.... give it time :)
I think - at the moment we're perfectly happy building up canonical questions and wiki articles for the tag
 
@JonClements - Canonicals are very hard to title.
 
7:40 PM
there is that, but we have 100 users using the site... and they're very frequent, so they normally know what search term triggers a result they're after (or have it bookmarked themselves).
It's a nice to have... bit of a difference (hopefully productive) of a community edited resource etc... for making easier to clean up tags, rather than resorting to automated things
 
@JonClements - In that case, I would suggest including a "frequently asked questions" section in the python tag wiki here
 
@TravisJ I did look at the opportunity to use a python-faq tag
but apparently using that or something, might not have been great, as the c++ community was already have probs. with it, and maintaing it
don't forget, a tag is only 20k without a review approval
 
@JonClements - I personally do not see the need for every tag to also have a -faq tag accompanying it. As a result the c++-faq tag does seem to set a contradictory tone, and creating more of those just expands on that. Aside from that though, you can just add a heading, and some links of faq questions for the canonical posts your 100 users have been curating.
@JonClements - I think the JavaScript tag does it nicely: stackoverflow.com/tags/javascript/info
 
oh - I won't dispute that... but there's only so much tag wiki space
and once they're more easily categorised etc...
 
It would be nice if users could add a # link in the tag wikis on SO for a sort of table of contents link opportunity
(restored)
 
7:52 PM
That was like playing hide'n'seek with my 9 year old nephew :p
 

^ hiding :)
 
Anyway - the principle's there - is it the best way... might be, might not be
 
Yeah, it is definitely of value. Canonical posts will help people at the end of the day, and it is nice not to constantly explain the same thing over and over. Otherwise you end up posting highly emotional zalgo answers to unsuspecting users.
bobince reference^
 
Haven't checked the election page recently, but wow... I'm going to be embarrassed if I don't make the election stage...
 
The field is pretty competitive this year, almost feels like more than 3 candidates could be chosen
 
7:58 PM
not sure if I'm allowed to say everyone gets a free pony (but they won't)?
I'm really happy to see who threw "their hats in" this year
 
If you make it to 100k you supposedly get a pony (or at least a penny ran through one of those 50¢ machines with an image of a pony)
 
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