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4:00 PM
Don't worry about it. I just figured he would know from personal experience :)
Perhaps the candidate score should also have included reputation from MSE
another 10 for 10k or something
 
@TravisJ no, it doesn't.
The votes are undone and rep is recalculated as if those votes were never cast.
 
Thanks :)
 
So if you have 30 votes in a day, and 8 were serial votes, you end up having 22 votes in that day and are still capped for 2.
@BenjaminGruenbaum what, and lose my consecutive visits streak? Are you mad or what?!
 
@MartijnPieters I suck at that :(
 
@MartijnPieters - What are you at?
 
4:05 PM
> visited: 1657 days, 1067 consecutive
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum - Me too. I always miss the weekend :) I am at 5
 
There are those with perfect records since the day the site opened in private beta.
 
Although it's mostly because I do reviews on the bus sometimes.
 
or at least since they started counting activity like that.
 
4:06 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum damn, you're beating me
 
@MartijnPieters if I'm ever elected mod, all those people are getting jQuery gold badges instead of whatever other badges they have until they miss a day :D
@rlemon what are you at?
 
I counted once, I've missed like 46 days or something total
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum not cruel enough. Brand em with PHP I'd say!
Or vbscript.
 
shudder
 
@MartijnPieters maybe a PHP framework - that's even worse right? Like a gold "CodeIgniter" tag or something :D
 
4:08 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum sharp intake of breanth. That might be a step too far. Not sure if the Berne Convention would allow you to do that.
 
Oooh, I got one:
isn't bad either.
 
But wordpress actually has legitimate uses, unlike php or vbscript.
 
lol, there are 70K questions with the wordpress tag and not a single gold badge.
That's just... cruel.
 
Wordpress makes my skin crawl
 
4:10 PM
Unlike :D
 
which tag has the lowest average question score?
 
@ssube sounds like a job for a query!
 
jquery
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sounds like the kind of query that would crash the explorer
especially with my query skills
 
4:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah you think is your ally? You merely adopted . I was born in it, molded by it.
 
Bane liked CFM
#GuiltyPleasures
 
I was curious about all the "you don't participate in meta comments", so I decided to do a quick check. Out of the 16 mods listed on meta, only 7 have more than 10 posts on meta. Maybe we're putting too much emphasis on meta participation.
 
@davidism how many have participation on Meta.SE?
 
@ssube I made a similar query playing around once, data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/180833/tag-love
 
4:15 PM
How many have participation on Meta.SE before and after the split. Both are interesting.
 
It's a doozie during busy hours though.
 
Like I said, quick check, but good point @MartijnPieters.
 
@davidism Meh, no measurement is accurate for any arbitrary group.
 
SELECT TOP 100
  PostTags.TagId, SUM(Posts.Score) as score
FROM
  PostTags
  INNER JOIN Posts
  on Posts.Id = PostTags.PostId
GROUP BY PostTags.TagId
ORDER BY score ASC
 
TIL questions about git have very high upvote percentages.
Of the top 15 tags by vote percentage, 6 are git-related (and one more could be).
 
4:19 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, but with a blind sum of score you lose some information about age, exposure time and view counts, etc.
 
SELECT TOP 100
  PostTags.TagId, SUM(Posts.Score) as score, Tags.TagName
FROM
  PostTags
  INNER JOIN Posts
    on Posts.Id = PostTags.PostId
  INNER JOIN Tags
    on Tags.Id = PostTags.TagId
GROUP BY PostTags.TagId, Tags.TagName
ORDER BY score ASC
@JasonC yeah, but we're only asking about score
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: perhaps put a lower limit on the number of posts in the tag?
 
That's a good idea
 
@MartijnPieters 50 or 100 is probably good
 
You need at least 200 posts before a gold tag is possible.
 
4:22 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm subscribed to it.
 
We want one where a gold badge is plausible, just not present nor likely, given the average post scores.
 
@ssube Go for the 10,000-100,000 range if you're looking for the recognizable tags.
 
I sift through all the new questions to make sure I can throw them into the CV queue.
I created it, btw.
 
Haha
 
4:23 PM
HAVING
  COUNT(Posts.Id) > 200
 
I got sick of seeing [minecraft] [forge], so...
 
Oh whoops, I'm summing instead of averaging.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Tip: COUNT(Posts.Id) > ##MinimumCount?200## will give you a little field on the query form to enter it, with default 200.
 
I'm betting jQuery has some of the highest-voted questions.
 
@JasonC nice
 
4:25 PM
@Unihedro It's become a honeypot tag.
 
hmm, avg is returning 0
 
@hichris123 I intended that to be such, so when Minecraft officially dies we can go on a deletion galore.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum In these more mature modern times of JavaScript development, I'd prefer my cross-browser normalization to come in the form of a polyfill providing a potential-standard API, not some weird abnormal API with dangerous edge cases. (Certainly, at the time it was created the situation was differently, as JavaScript was more immature and there was little standardization progress to follow.)
But I'll drop it since I'm no longer trying to change the subject of the chat. :P
 
@JeremyBanks jQuery is great and does all things.
 
has the lowest % of upvotes of all the tags with 1000+ posts. is next.
 
Those both seem like questionable tags.
Both seem pretty meta.
 
is the 3rd lowest, heh.
 
And this room just became just like every other regular chat room. Clean-up incoming!
 
Yay! Moderationy things!
 
I'm not even going to touch burninate requests for those.
 
4:28 PM
stackoverflow.com/tags/statements is doing pretty poorly
 
I think I remember a discussion about server already, anyways.
 
@JasonC looking at the first page for each, they seem like great places to do some casual cleanup.
Maybe I'll just spend the next year fixing tags and run for tag mod. :P
 
I want to see if there's a correlation between certain tag combinations and quality. I bet some funny combos would pop up.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oi, I am the top answerer on that one. :-P
 
@MartijnPieters ... So you're the culprit!!
 
4:36 PM
But yeah, what does that tag even mean.
 
was burninated a while ago‌​, I bet the plural just escaped notice.
 
Removed the tag from the two posts I answered; one was closed (typo post), the other was a common string vs. integer comparison error. In both cases the tag didn't add anything.
so, no more skin in that game, burn it!
 
@JasonC gonna throw that on meta
 
I'd like to formally welcome everybody in this room to the Meta Police Force, whether you like it or not.
 
Is that like the vegan police?
 
4:43 PM
It's similar. Same kind of guns.
 
We have trains.
(!)
BTW, @BenjaminGruenbaum your new comment is much better. More focused, less inflammatory; constructive.
4
 
@bjb568 thanks.
 
4:59 PM
Viewing answers as problems is an incorrect point of view in my opinion.
Any time voting begins to not be based on content is troublesome.
@ssube - If I answer your comment on my answer, it may influence candidates. I am not sure if I should answer here or there.
I do have an answer though
I posted there for convenience.
 
@TravisJ which answer? where?
 
@ssube - Oh, you commented on my post. I think you will get a notification in your inbox, but this was my response: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289449/…
 
@TravisJ Oh that. I was thinking about the angle of tags that have highly-viewed but lousy questions where the answer was a typo or copy-paste (think jQuery or PHP).
 
Ah, well hopefully it is more clear now :)
I can see how "high profile" may be a little vague
 
5:19 PM
in Java, 36 mins ago, by jemz
Hi can I ask, I am just curious about the 8 ball game pool,is that pure java language or it uses some other programming language.?
 
Nice! It would take me a while to write something that inventive.
 
,.....
 
Bonus points for starting with a seemingly normal sentence,and then degrading what it into the meaning of the question.!
The 8 ball game pool was created by a JavaFactory.
 
5:33 PM
JavaFactory.createLanguage().createFactory<Factory, Game>().create<GameType.Balls, 8>()
 
This is pretty awesome
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Q: Help build a good "Find The Next Question To Answer" query

Kevin MontroseSome of you may recall an experiment I ran a month or so ago, the "Answer Similar Questions" hook. It didn't work quite like we'd hoped, but the data suggests there's some promise there. The quality of the search in the experiment was quite poor, which was noted both here on Meta and in subsequ...

 
@ssube You forgot .getDefaultFactoryCreator() in there somewhere.
 
6:42 PM
Hey what do you guys think about when a user is talking about you but is ignoring your messages?
 
hey, anyone here about that @rekire fellow? I think <insert controversial opinion> about him/her
 
@rekire In a chatroom? They could have you ignored so they may not even know you are talking to them
 
No in the election comments
 
@rekire I just would answer and move on. if mason doesn't want to interact with you directly at least everyone else will see your efforts
 
Such a behavior is confusing me
 
6:50 PM
I agree. You tried. Others will, hopefully, notice that attempt as well.
 
FWIW I don't see anything wrong with your position
you prefer to improve the question and not downvote
at the end of the day the question gets improved (or not and closed)
 
@rekire Have you tried using all caps?
 
no harm no foul.
 
Thx good to know that there are more people accepting my point
@PeeHaa well caps lock is not my style. that means I'm not annoyed enough for such things :-D
 
EMBRACE IT
:P
 
6:58 PM
hehe
that is my first try to become a moderator. I'm interested how many votes I'll get
 
7
 
Possible value
strange I jut got again pings from the chat as push message on my mobile
at work I thought that would be a network issue
 
7:23 PM
@rlemon !7
 
!!7
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: d, π, !
 
:/
 
Maybe you meant what now? :P
 
@PeeHaa DVNO
 
7:25 PM
clearly a reference to this user stackoverflow.com/users/3556874/nodownvotesplz
 
hiya @rekire we meet again :)
 
Damn it's 2015 and we still have to put up with crappy unreadable comment threads on election candidates :|
If only there was a site full of developers I am sure this could be made more proper...
 
True
 
@maveň oh
 
7:45 PM
@PeeHaa - Yeah, it would be kind of nice if instead of the comment thread, a windowed version of chat showed up in a modal the size of the flag interface.
Don't tell balpha I said that.
 

SO Close Vote Reviewers

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Join if you have time.
 
php of course
 
:P
 
@Unihedro hey, nice to see you again still wearing that hat :D
 
7:54 PM
Related answerable question to the close question: stackoverflow.com/questions/29522915/…
I like that new query builder thing.
 
I hold the downvoters' hat firmly and proudly ;)
 
Well I also got that hat in december too, but don't tell that anybody else haha
 
Now that we have a couple of potential future moderators in here. Can whoever is elected please close all PHP questions by default?
@rekire Wow only 17 downvotes. Are you reading a different SO I have been reading? :)
 
@Unihedro I thought the hat held you :P
 
That is hard since I'm using currently my mobile
@PeeHaa no but I primarily downvoting only spam or postings which require more downvotes for deleting them
 
I'm suprised that nobody talkes about my upvotes since I have about 2k
 
I score 23/40
 
.Take(3).ToModerator()
 
damnit. I am missing some badge
 
also missing a nomination
 
8:03 PM
place 11. I'm not in the top 10 :(
 
:P
 
I told @PeeHaa to run
 
PeeHaa's nomination:
> I pledge to close all PHP questions as they're posted. That is all.
 
in PHP, yesterday, by rlemon
@PeeHaa run for moderator :D
^ 19 stars
PHP room agrees
 
I need to check which moderating badge is missing... that 500 flags badge posible
 
8:04 PM
@rlemon - Hah, gotchu beat
 
@Shog9 hehehehhehehe would be the best post I have seen :P
 
trivial to modify that query to give you whatever information you want. Which is mostly why I'm posting it, so that y'all can answer your own questions.
 
Flagging works well as a chat wide broadcast for 10k+. Too bad it can't be used like that :P
 
well, it could be
 
@Shog9 - Why wasn't MSE rep considered for the metric?
 
8:07 PM
@TravisJ complicated
Note though that the meta badges earned before the split still count
 
with meta you mean meta.so or se?
 
If you got Quorum or Convention before the split and haven't done anything on MSO since, that's still 2 points.
 
@TravisJ It can't be? Tell that to all the people who use it just for that :P\
 
most of these badges are not hard. Getting 40/40 requires a bit of work, but mid-30s should be do-able by most qualified candidates.
(not saying anyone should try to get them all during the election, but... for next time...)
 
@Shog9 only has 38/40 making him totally unfit for the job
;-)
 
8:10 PM
Good thing no one ever elected me
I'd lose all faith in you people
 
@Shog9 that 500 helpful flanges badge is hard IMHO
 
just time-consuming
I mean, flagging all those PHP questions
 
Flagging them isn't that hard. Having them disputed is :)
hint hint nudge nudge
 
Well that is an idea hehe
 
s/disputed/declined
 
8:12 PM
Heads down to the plumbing supply store and picks up 500 flanges. Hey, I've got these flanges, are they helpful? Do I get the badge?
 
but, meh, I'm not all that big on flagging if you can do something else instead.
 
Yeah the moment I got the weak mod tools I mostly stopped flagging
 
I try to only flag spam/offensive, and that more often (recently) ends up being on comments
not on answers or questions
 
I just deal with stuff in the wild because in all honesty if I find a post I am going to polish I am probably intending on answering it.
The grayed out "Tools" link also fools me from time to time and I will not visit it.
Maybe that is just me
 
@TravisJ Yeah, that grayed out link threw me for a loop for a while at first.
 
8:25 PM
Maybe the number of "current" reviews could be replaced with a "tools" link
That number seems to be a little fuzzy anyway
 
@PeeHaa I basically stopped flagging as soon as I hit 3k. Unless it's spam.
 
The main thing I flag now is comments. Everything else seems to have an easily accessible way to deal with directly.
Or spam. Gah, spam... especially during the off hours.
 
@durron597 deletion is also a very useful tool
 
And I don't bother with comment flags because comment flags are the red headed stepchild of moderation - most moderators just don't care about them all that much, at least that's my understanding.
@PeeHaa Deletion isn't that useful at only 10k rep
Expedited question deletion and answer deletion is more important, imo.
 
Hence you need to repwhore to 20k so it is useful :)
 
8:32 PM
Well if I get moderator I'll try to defeat chatty comments^^
 
The only privilege I wish I had but don't is a Java gold badge
 
I would like to get it in android, but that will take a while
 
@durron597 You're missing out; hammering away string comparison and NPE questions is incredibly satisfying.
I hear a "cha ching" sound in my head every time.
 
@JasonC I agree with you
 
8:35 PM
Niiice.
 
@JasonC But seriously, I don't wan't to answer those questions, I want to dupe superpower them
 
Just seriously should those questions not been closed as duplicate by default?
 
Nobody's got a gold badge yet, go for the first one, @durron, hehe.
@rekire Well, somebody has to close them.
 
I mean I cannot imagine a case of npe which is not oblivious... Um well I believe I can remember a case related with autoboxing
 
Haha great comments @durron
@AlexisKing yep that case
 
@durron597 The second one you linked to is usually the one I use as the canonical source for those; which I took care of on the first one just now.
 
@rekire I felt really proud of my answer to that question before I realized it was a duplicate. :(
 
@JasonC Which is why I want to get my own gold java badge. Hopefully before Jon Skeet or whoever FGITW get their hundred rep
 
@JasonC, you have a gold Java badge? You have more patience than I do.
 
8:45 PM
The second one was okay, my point was that he already has plenty of rep on that exact question type, just mark for duplication instead of rep whoring for crying out loud
 
@AlexisKing Getting that badge is how I learned Java, heh.
 
@durron597 Yeah, I'm actually pretty disappointed in Skeet's behavior on that question.
 
I go to bed, gn8 guys
 
Peace @rekire.
 
@AlexisKing He does it all the time. And he's not the only one, obviously.
It's one of the reasons I've gotten disgusted with SO. Because he (and everyone else who does the same thing) gets to keep his rep in that situation.
 
8:47 PM
@JasonC Java started as the way I gained rep, but I completely gave up relatively quickly after being disgusted with 's question quality.
It'd actually be fun to graph my answers per tag over time with Data Explorer. :)
 
@durron597 Meh, it's just points. The asker got a helpful answer, the answerer got some rep, and I (or whoever else inevitably would have seen it) organized a little and duped it. Everything works out in the end.
Besides, if it makes you feel any better, Jon hits the cap every day, for many answers much better than that NPE one. It doesn't make much of a difference anyways.
 
I hope anyone with 30k answers hits the cap, otherwise we have serious problems with bad content and no votes being cast.
 
@JasonC If it were just Jon I wouldn't care, I know he hits the cap every day.
 
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Q: The candidate comment author name gets highlighted only after expanding comments

TLamaOn the moderator election site the candidate comment author name gets highlighted only after you expand comments (if you can). Here's a picture (click to enlarge):

 
9:06 PM
@ssube - I have 1400 and I think it averages to 30 per day. x20 would be 600 :D
 
9:16 PM
We're at 29 candidates. Only 2 more before people start getting kicked out.
 
Why are there more candidates than last year
 
there aren't?
 
@Doorknob Why two? Shouldn't that be one?
 
9:31 PM
@AlexisKing It's top 30 that progress to primaries.
 
@Doorknob Right, so if there are 29, shouldn't there only be 1 left before people start getting kicked out? o.O
 
@AlexisKing No, because if 1 more person nominates, then all 30 can still progress.
 
@Doorknob Oh, that's what you mean, nvm then.
 
:O
 
9:44 PM
:)
 
@Doorknob There are really only 28 candidates and two already-elected shoe-ins
 
10:12 PM
@durron597 Who are the two?
I know Martijn is one. I'm curious who people consider the other is.
 
The second one.
 
I'd say Madara / Second Rikudo is a shoe-in
 
I dunno. I know I'm voting for him but from what I'm hearing Jon Clements and meagar have really good chances too.
 
There are like four shoe-ins and three possible positions.
 
"shoo-in" <-- this has been a public service announcement
2
unless you like shoes, and in that case, never mind
 
10:25 PM
@yellowantphil Aww, darn, I read that question about it on English.SE but forgot. Now I feel silly. :<
 
@AlexisKing Well, two other people spelled it that way a few lines up, so you aren't the only one. Besides, if everyone keeps spelling it that way, it will find its way into the dictionaries, and I'll stop complaining. :)
 
@yellowantphil but... but... prescriptivism! D:
 
@AlexisKing That doesn't mean you still shouldn't feel silly.
 
@JasonC Oh, don't lose sleep over it, I always feel silly.
 
10:34 PM
@hichris123 Are you officially anti-smoothing now?
 
@JasonC yup. :P
 
Next election I want to turn graph smoothing vs. non-smoothing into a serious platform issue. You can be the champion of the antismoothist angle. We need to focus on the important things.
 
@hichris123 I sort of expected "shoe-in" to rank higher than that. I wouldn't be shocked if Merriam-Webster added that spelling at some point though.
 
10:57 PM
I am pretty sure OP is talking about you guys @bjb568 @durron597 @rekire stackoverflow.com/questions/29523600/… :P
 
11:20 PM
@durron597 hah
> moderator positions available: 2 – Doorknob 2 days ago
^ on Martijn's nomination. :P
 
Air
Sure, but what does that Doorbell guy know
 
dorknoob
:p
 
@bjb568 again, Dorknoob*
 
probably-brass rounded door opener*
 
@Doorknob close enough
 
11:23 PM
@rlemon Probably brass? That's metallicist. Doorknobs can be whatever material they believe in
 
probably-brass^
 
Air
Looks like solid gold to me.
 
:P
I'm too Canadian to take a joke. IT IS BRASS!
 
Air
:(
 
we're serious aboot our brass up here
 
Air
11:25 PM
But not Canadian enough to say "SORRY, IT IS BRASS!"
 
Doorknob's just being a pain-in-the-brass.
 
the sorry was coming, you just didn't wait long enough.
sorry
 
@JasonC rofl
 
Air
Knock knock, who's there, interrupting Canadian?
It's 4 minutes to quitting time, my gags are getting so lazy I'm just tossing them randomly out there
 
I'm already two beers into my evening
 
Air
11:28 PM
Oh, I had a really good brown ale last night that was called "Oak Town"
Too bad it's gone now.
 
I'm drinking "lug tread" by a semi-local company called beau's all natural
 
Air
Googling, it turns out the brown is pretty local, too. SF bay area anyway.
 
Entire population of Oak Town decimated by giant mouth in a matter of minutes. Details at 11.
 
@Air your state has more people than my country.. which is bigger than yours.
how does that sit?
 
Air
I dunno. You've got more uranium. Are we having some sort of battle?
 
11:31 PM
blows my mind every time I think about it. how the hell do you fit that many people in cali?!
 
Air
We've got more movie sets but you've got all the location shoots for Stargate SG-1.
 
damn straight!
 
@rlemon You can, but they all end up really thirsty.
 
Air
My mother in-law is a forester who loves science fiction. Every time she watches SG-1 she complains that every alien planet is British Columbia (because of the trees, you see).
 
11:32 PM
yea, I have the box set (72dvd's iirc)
I still watch the downloaded versions :/
irony?
 
Air
Hmm. O'Neill is ours, Daniel Jackson is yours, Carter is UK... Teal'c is ours though.
Hammond has a PhD???
Doctor General Hammond. My mind is blown, and my ride is here. Good night!
 
daniel was the best anyways
 
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