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6:00 PM
@meagar I think SO is frequented by many people in India and they are all voting for Raghav and Paresh
Also Raghav has name recognition from having run last year.
 
@meagar I actually voted for him; I liked his nomination, it was good to have somebody in a different timezone, and BoltClock's endorsement was a plus. I'm more concerned about @Jeremy :P
 
@JasonC Personally, if time zone is a big issue for you, I think Paresh is the better vote than Raghav.
 
Boltclock endorsed him? His account has been all but dead for a year
 
Mostly for reasons stated by @meagar
 
user50049
@meagar No. Not at all.
 
6:03 PM
@JasonC Do you have a link to those participation graphs?
 
@TimPost No, his account has not been dead, or no, Boltclock did not endorse him?
 
I actually really support Raghav, he's been in my top 3 since the start.
 
user50049
It's not that either. He's run previously and had a sudden and strong following.
 
@durron597 They're here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289995/…; careful about relying on them too much.
 
@JasonC I've read it
 
user50049
6:06 PM
Folks in India would really like to see someone from India on the mod team.
 
If he sticks to his work and cleanup promises, and has good public support in the timezones he's active in (= good PR and smooth sailing), more power to him.
 
user50049
What you're seeing is an artifact of a pretty big, but relatively silent group.
 
@TimPost I support that idea, but I really think Paresh would do a better job given recent activity.
 
user50049
@durron597 Well, we're debating that which we have no control over :)
 
Paresh and Raghav's vote count profiles have been almost identical; that one's way up in the air still.
 
user50049
6:07 PM
I'd be very happy to have Paresh or Raghav on the team.
 
user50049
They're both pretty brilliant people, they both care about the site and I think (if elected) either would put in way more time than we expect.
 
^
I wish I would've logged the vote counts from the start. I could try to salvage them from Fiddler logs. I want to make a little horse race animation.
 
@TimPost If you had asked me 14 months ago, I might definitely would have given a different answer. But Raghav's contribution levels have been dead compared to last year. It looks like a burned-out graph.
 
No comment.
 
user50049
But then again, I'd also like to have Tommy Chong on the team for balance, which is why you should vote for who you really like and not listen to me (or anyone else).
 
6:10 PM
Hey @Tim do you guys have votes logged in such a way that you could recreate vote counts over time, e.g. at 5 minute intervals throughout the whole primary phase? Because cartoon horses?
 
user50049
@durron597 He uh, also explained that to some extent in his nomination. He had exams and stuff, and he wasn't in a position that obligated him to use the site.
 
@TimPost His activity had flatlined for a year.
 
user50049
I don't have any reason to believe he wouldn't fulfill what we expect of a mod. He got busy, heck my activity graph flatlined for months while I was busy being addicted to flickr.
 
user50049
I'm not endorsing him over any other, I just don't think it's a major concern in his case.
 
user50049
But I also sometimes think of clouds as marshmallows.
 
user50049
6:16 PM
@JasonC Let's see, do we log votes over time. Well, I guess that depends on if we'd need to eventually tally them ...
 
@durron597 I wouldn't read too much into those graphs. As stated, they only provide a very limited snapshot of someone's activity. From my graph, you'd estimate that I wasn't too active on the site, compared to other moderators.
About the most useful graph on that page is the time-of-day one. That gives a great snapshot of times someone might be active and able to handle flags.
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All of what you're saying is valid, @TimPost and @BradLarson, but it doesn't explain why Raghav would be better in IST than Paresh would be
 
@TimPost I know you log them over time, I guess I was indirectly asking if you guys might be willing to pull a timeline of change for users to analyze afterwards.
 
I'm not saying Raghav is a poor choice, in an absolute sense, just in a relative one to Paresh.
 
@JasonC awesome
 
6:21 PM
@BradLarson Yes, and actually, I'm really on the fence about whether or not I want to keep the other graphs, or at least the scaling on them. They're still interesting, and I expect that public data is still strongly correlated with deleted data, but I have lost some sleep over potentially misleading people. Missing flag activity is a big one there. And missing mod activity is the big one on the mod charts.
The time of day plots are super cool though. I'm a big fan if I do say so myself.
 
@BradLarson In that case, both Martijn and Second Rikudo and Jeremy Banks would be active in similar times to Paresh and Raghav.
 
user50049
Did I mention that, if elected, your activity will basically plummet as far as it is visible?
 
@TimPost Unless you're BoltClock or Robert Harvey.
 
user50049
@durron597 The simplest explanation is I'm not arguing that :) I think both would do quite well.
 
user50049
@JasonC I'm hesitant to say yes, as that could backtrack (thinking ahead) to showing who voted for who.
 
6:25 PM
To what Tim's saying, witness bluefeet's activity profile: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/290057/19679 . That dropoff doesn't at all reflect the fact that she's been handling more flags than almost any moderator lately.
 
user50049
Ah heck, I forgot to change her display name to blueknubs
 
user50049
The feet? long gone.
 
@TimPost With sufficiently low resolution that shouldn't be an issue. Every 5 minutes, total votes per candidate. No individual vote timestamps. Think about it when you're out to lunch. It'd be a really fun data set.
 
user50049
@JasonC It would be, but I also have to think about a giant void which is what we might eventually put in data dumps.
 
user50049
And institutional memory :)
 
6:29 PM
Can we have Giant Void Overflow, where every question you post just disappears immediately?
 
@JasonC I'd say post activity / comments aren't a great indicator. Just because you're posting a lot of questions or answers doesn't correlate with moderator activity. Meta.SO and Meta.SE post activity, on the other hand, is a very good stat. Revisions and reviews could possibly be useful, although number of reviews doesn't always correlate with care in those reviews.
 
user50049
@JasonC How would that overflow?
 
@BradLarson Has Stack Exchange ever done correlation statistics on pre-election activity to moderation activity level?
 
user50049
Sorry. Going to write sentences on my whiteboard. I will not be deliberately annoying and pedantic. I will not be deliberately annoying and pedantic
 
6:31 PM
@TimPost Yes you will.
 
In other words, actual mathematical analysis about what sorts activity do and don't correlate with moderator activity. For instance, was there anything about bluefeet's activity pre-election that stood out?
@JasonC thanks
 
@durron597 Her helpful flags. We became familiar with the quality and quantity of those, thus the many endorsements.
 
@BradLarson What about low meta.se activity if meta.so activity is somewhat high? Trying to get a better sense for next year
I spend a lot of time on meta.so but probably not enough on meta.se
 
@codeMagic That's a weird one, because of the split. For people active there before the split, a lot of things from the old Meta.SO are still on the new Meta.SE. I'd combine activity from both to get an idea of community engagement.
What I look for are people who go out of their way to help people on Meta.SO / Meta.SE and can express their points of view in a constructive and coherent manner. That usually indicates someone who cares, and who will be able to defend their actions as a moderator without starting fights.
 
@BradLarson I've got links to individual site plots there, but they're not readily visible. I'm going to play around today and rebuild the graphs without SO activity. The point about meta activity is good. Initially my intent was just to show activity, but given the circumstances, something more... meta-specific would be more appropriate. On the other hand, that's still more "PR" style activity... I don't know. It's all vague. I don't think I can come up with anything good.
 
6:36 PM
Ok, I should probably work on spending a little more time there. As I said, just trying to get a sense of what to focus on more for next time. This year is looking pretty bleak for me
Thanks, that makes sense
 
I'll play with it. I might also swap the main post and the time-of-day answer just to draw more attention to that.
 
@JasonC Overall activity of any kind is still a great input for your time plots, since that's not broken out into anything specific.
 
It's really a sketchy set of data to draw any conclusions from, no matter how you look at it.
 
user50049
Yes, definitely consider Meta SE + Meta SO as an aggregate.
 
user50049
It's not just due to the split, it's the whole "I can stand the flames of my town's hall, as well as capital hill" thing
 
6:39 PM
Haha. Also MSE lets you pretend that you care about everybody, not just SO. It feels good to post in blue.
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Don't quote me on that.
 
user50049
too late
 
1 min ago, by Jason C
Haha. Also MSE lets you pretend that you care about everybody, not just SO. It feels good to post in blue.
 
shakes fist
 
user50049
you done dunnit.
 
6:58 PM
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Q: Can we have an exception to the moderator election to address a popular tag?

TheLittleNarutoCurrently a moderator election is going on. Of course whoever has got the most upvotes will be selected without any doubt. We have the android tag which has the most questions asked on a daily basis, which need to be moderated daily. It is bad that no Android-experienced candidates made it to th...

 
7:41 PM
hi @JasonC
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 12 mins ago, by Shog9
Also, don't touch bjb. He looks sticky.
 
8:05 PM
@JasonC: you keep regaining the 10th position in the UTC evening..
You only need to pull that trick once more...
 
@MartijnPieters shakes fist
Seriously, though, @JasonC is an awesome candidate. He has an upvote from me, even if it knocks me out.
 
@EdCottrell Hi Ed :-)
Yeah, you got drawn into the 10th place death match.
 
Also, @MartijnPieters, nice vote total! Glad to see the community recognizing you for all you do.
@MartijnPieters Yep. C'est la vie.
 
Was there ever an answer as to what would happen if the current situation, a draw for 10th, would be the state at vote closing?
@EdCottrell Thanks :-)
 
2015 - Year of the Deathmatch
 
8:11 PM
We should try to make it a 3 way tie at the last second
 
@yellowantphil I'm just glad it works.
 
@MartijnPieters Dunno, but I'm obviously curious now...
 
Oh man, the ties continue.
A three way tie would be awesome.
22 hours ago, by Grace Note
@JasonC Internal word is "No idea. Maybe we'll find out!"
Ed and Undo both have my vote. If all three of us are tied at the end, then all three of suddenly drop 2 points at the last second but stay tied, feel free to chuckle a little.
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@ShaifulIslam Hi!
 
@JasonC Thanks!
 
I am watching your stat
you there have tight fighting
 
8:19 PM
@JasonC it's hardly as nice as yours
But it demonstrates the point fairly nicely
 
Apparently the display sort is only unstable for me and @Undo.
 
@JasonC Do you guys use Firefox?
 
@SecondRikudo Nice!!! There's no background HTTP requests ... WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?
 
function tryConnection(url) {
    var ws = new WebSocket(url);
    ws.addEventListener('message', parseMessage);
    ws.addEventListener('close', showCloseError);
    ws.addEventListener('open', function () {
        var errorDiv = document.querySelector('.error');
        if (errorDiv) {
            errorDiv.parentNode.removeChild(errorDiv);
        }
    });
}
 
@JeremyBanks No, Chrome. I think I checked the sort on Firefox and found it to have similar properties but I don't remember.
 
8:23 PM
The websocket script hasn't changed since what I've posted here yesterday.
 
@SecondRikudo So cool. If the connection is broken does it reestablish?
 
@JasonC ws.addEventListener('close', showCloseError);
 
I want to use WebSockets now, just because.
 
            function showCloseError(event) {
                if (document.querySelector('.error')) {
                    return;
                }

                var errDiv = document.createElement('div');

                errDiv.classList.add('error');
                var p = document.createElement('p');

                p.textContent = 'Connection closed! Reason:' + event.reason;
                var retry = document.createElement('button');
                retry.textContent = 'Click here to Retry';
It creates a button that allows you to retry
 
learns about use strict, falls in love at first sight
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@meagar Hooray ... bronze badge on my Q&A answer! ... >.>
 
8:27 PM
Noice
 
@JasonC 'use strict'; and (function() { ... })(); are pretty sweet.
 
8:42 PM
@JasonC There is a proposal (some info here) to built on top of it with 'use strong' and 'use sound'.
 
@JeremyBanks Oh, nice. Likey.
 
@JeremyBanks Haha, 'use sanity'; nice
 
9:03 PM
@JasonC: it is unstable for you and Ed.
You just swapped spots again without a change in votes.
 
@MartijnPieters I just saw that. Interesting.
 
@SecondRikudo JavaScript with sanity? Impossible.
 
9:24 PM
@JasonC I don't think SE have figured this scenario out yet.
 
Oh wow @JasonC we're looking at an epic photo finish here
 
I know, right. We need to convince 20 people to vote for Undo.
It kind of makes me wonder how many times the close races happened in the past but nobody noticed.
 
9:39 PM
@JasonC Last time me and Raghav were within a one digit difference in votes for 10th IIRC
 
Oh man.
 
I don't remember the ones before that
 
10:32 PM
@SecondRikudo doorknob had 200 votes less than raghav last time
 
11:17 PM
With only 20 hours to go in the primary I've edited a thank you into my nomination spiel.
It's not a concession or anything - I still want to beat @Undo yeeeeaaaahhhh!
 
11:36 PM
yay :D
 
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