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3:00 PM
I finally got a water pump; I wanted to do a "pull" on the radiator, but there wasn't enough space for all three fans cause the front of the case top curves down, so one of the fans is pushing air underneath
on top of that: got new RAM yesterday and I've gotta start learning to overclock
also I need to tell nvidia to piss off cause it keeps making the Windows logon take forever
 
@Freerey I think the Nvidia "tools" are responsible for this
 
@mr5 nonono VW Golf
 
@Freerey That's a NZXT Phantom case
 
I got them with my driver package, deleted all of those only kept the acceleration tool
 
@HéctorÁlvarez NZXT Phantom 530
 
3:02 PM
I swear to god that case was the bane of my existence
So happy to dispose it
 
why?
 
Issues with case size and fans
I had to bend the metal in order to fit a new GPU
 
I mean for my first rig, it isn't bad; I wanted something spacy until I got better at building
 
570 -> 1070
 
granted, I got this case almost 4 years ago
 
3:03 PM
well that case is hella tiny
 
mr5
@CaptainSquirrel haha you just remind me how poor I am
 
@MwBakker its good
 
@Freerey where is the motherboard
 
nooohohoho it is fucking not
 
but yeah for the first rig it's ok
 
3:04 PM
it goes v fast if you want too
@mr5 well its 8 years old soooooo
 
mr5
it's like, here, add to your burn
 
@mr5 my car is 33 years old
 
@MwBakker mobo is at the top-left of the case; you can see the EVGA Geforce sticking out of it
and near the edge of the top you can see the water cooling unit
 
mr5
"you guys have cars?"
 
Oh maybe you got the EATX case?
 
3:05 PM
no, it's an ATX
 
then the ATX is tiny, because it's the one I had
 
@mr5 I bought my Ford Sierra for 800 euro, it's still driving after 5+ years with total maintanence cost of ~2000 euro
 
now I got a fractal design, this is a whole new level
 
yeah that was mine
 
3:06 PM
if I knew anything about spraypainting, I would color this thing black and green
but there's so much I'd have to take apart
 
white keeps it cooler
 
I feel like I got the white one by mistake
 
why is C# like this?
 
because you combine it with weed
 
next case I get will be a lot smaller and black; not sure when I'll get that, though, since I have no reason to replace this thing
 
mr5
3:07 PM
@MwBakker wow that's the most cheapest car I ever read
 
public enum Test
{
    A,
    B,
}

public static void Foo(Test test)
{
    var character = test switch
    {
        Test.A => 'A',
        Test.B => 'B',
        _ => .......
    };
}
 
the next big thing I wanna replace is the CPU -- which is an i5 6500K; i7-7700K is the best it can use
 
why does it still want me to use the default branch?
there is no possibility that the default branch is used, is there?
 
mr5
because you might do this: (EnumType)(intType)
 
@Wietlol 'Cause a value is not forced to be either A or B. An enum is actually enum Test : int by default, and the value can be anything.
 
3:08 PM
@mr5 and it also happened to be my dream car since I was like 5 years old and my mum and dad owned one
 
why is C# so horrible with enums :(
 
mr5
@MwBakker what's the name of the car?
 
@mr5 shouldnt that cause some weird parsing exception?
 
@mr5 Ford Sierra
 
@Wietlol It's perfectly legal.
 
mr5
3:09 PM
@MwBakker would you sell me your car for 20k PHP?
@Wietlol nope
 
@mr5 php?
 
mr5
why is wietlol doesn't know this? He's in this room for 10 years already
 
@Freerey not worth the money, honestly, save for a better full rig
 
mr5
@MwBakker philippine peso
 
@mr5 because I rarely use enums
 
mr5
3:11 PM
ew
 
I always make enums the way Java does it
 
mhh garlic
 
mr5
so you always use ints and strings?
ewww
 
which in C#, would not be using the enum keyword
 
@HéctorÁlvarez but I wanna max it out 🥺
 
3:11 PM
but now, I use a library
 
then sell it when I feel like making a new machine
 
@mr5 I am not selling the car, it's my first and the careful owner died so it's my responsibility to take good care of it
 
mr5
@MwBakker are you long time friend with the car owner?
I guess so. Cuz it's cheap af
 
no, I didn't know him
 
though AMD's offerings do make me slightly regret getting the mobo when I did
 
3:12 PM
He was diseased when I bought it, his brother in law kept the car at his garage in the meantime. He later on also died
 
@Freerey it's up to you, but definitely not the smartest idea
buy a CPU for 300 bucks, sell your old one for 150, gain 10% efficiency...
 
mr5
damn. I feel sorry for them.
 
the car is cheap because it's old and underrated, both the cars I own have this going on. Yet when I drive either of them everybody is interested "wow I didn't know that.." well bad luck cause I gave the underdogs a try
 
I saw some video today that opened up with somebody squirting way too much thermal paste onto their CPU.....the suicide rate went up after that part of the video went live
 
this sentenced sounded very suspect until i read termal paste
 
3:20 PM
@mr5 btw you can buy decent running cars here for appr 500 euro, drive at least one year without trouble. Usually they don't have any km on them but they are cheap solely because old
 
great they changed their layout again
what is it with all these sites changing their layouit, looking worse than before
 
who changed their layout?
 
one job site i regularly check
 
the one about Hamsters?
 
yHamster ?
no I was looking for a real job not a blowjob
so no, not that site
I think this layout was made for phone
but im on the site with a desktop pc
wtf
 
3:24 PM
common issue where the desktop site thinks all its users are on the phone
 
yeah same thing happens to me with one of my email providers
 
MOBILE FIRST IS NOT GOOD DESIGN PHILOSOPHY unless you're developing something for mobile
 
Why not?
 
Because it's terrible
 
Why?
 
3:33 PM
Because everything useful is behind menus and crap
 
Mobile first does not imply 'Do not make changes for bigger screens in navigation!'
It just means you design with mobile in mind, and progressively enhance for bigger screens
 
Mobile first would be fine if everyone followed through and made a desktop version
But they often don't, the mobile part is done and then "job done wahey"
 
If their target audience involves both mobile and desktop, then yet, that's a must.
But there's nothing wrong with the mobile first philosophy.
Mobile first implies something will follow. Otherwise we'd call it mobile only philosophy.
 
It may as well be mobile only for many places/sites
 
> design with mobile in mind, and progressively enhance for bigger screens
That's why it's bad
 
3:36 PM
I don't see how that's bad.
 
Because mobile design is always going to be bad.
You should design completely separately for large screens and mobile, not have one based on the other.
 
Just because mobile is gimped by default, doens't mean desktop has to be gimped too
 
It's going to be gimped if your large screen layout is based on your mobile
 
I disagree. Mobile forces you to think about what you prioritize. It makes you use the screen space in a clever way. That doesn't mean that the desktop variant shouldn't enhance itself to introduce more information, different navigation, etc.
 
Well it's hard to pick one or another. If you want to do something that works on all platforms, my mindset is developing first for the platform that has most restrictions, and then improve upon the concept
 
3:40 PM
Yep, that's the whole point of mobile-first.
 
If it was the first day to use the app, I'd rather miss on this super cool screen mode for 4k displays instead of being completely unable to use on phone, since my super cool 4k and downgrade scenario didn't foresee the issues I'd be facing later down the road
like what do you mean this 1400x900 widget doesn't resize?
it was critical to the overall experience to have it on screen at all times
boom, design went to shit
then again, I agree with Lee that doing this will implicitly mean that desktop will be gimped.
 
Not every functionality needs to be translatable into mobile.
 
this is like a classroom, you have to make it so you can appeal to everyone, push down quality to meet the expectations of the idiotic bully, but quick enough so you don't make the smarter kids lose patience.
right but you don't design stuff that is exclusive to one platform on day one if your intent is to make it compatible with all platforms
the design should be built from the bottom up for compliance
and upgrades should be made from the top down, to make sure the top platforms can make the best use out of them
 
can't they just mix n match like Windows 10 does?
 
3:49 PM
I wish Windows 10 had the same animations as 8 -- and the overall general smoothness that had on mobile
 
Burn the heretic!
 
V.7
... me waiting while bogo do its job ...
 
I have no idea how to handle this infinite loop (stupid fintech shit) and my boss, who is the only one who understand how these things are supposed to work, is at a wedding today.
 
V.7
Infinite loop?
Recurse?
while(true) { ... break; }? // ... BAD IDEA in PC
 
just while(true);
 
V.7
4:05 PM
void a() {while(true) a();}; a();
 
im feeling very sad today
 
what up?
 
@V.7 It's not exactly like that. I have a bunch of different financial records, and a set of functions that can be applied to each of them to get a certain output. Some of those functions require getting the output of other records. Obviously when that happens I'm filtering out the record that's currently being calculated, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to do when the infinite loop keeps alternating between two different records.
 
idk im just feeling a bit dogged
 
I feel like that most of my days
but then i take drugs
\o/
just kidding
 
4:15 PM
ha
 
\o
 
4:31 PM
Okay off to london seeing you next week
bye byes
 
4:41 PM
o/
 
4:57 PM
@Squirrelintraining fuck london off and come up to the better areas
 
V.7
@Hypersapien My last message was a joke. It's not an actual meaning/recursive loop ... or did I misunderstand you?
bb o/ ^
@Harry Sleep helps. At least ... here. Although ... there's so little a big projects which compile at least enough time to see a dream ... or at least ... close eyes ... one eye. Other time ... we're coding.
 
@CaptainObvious @Squirrelintraining agreed
 
 
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6:34 PM
oh my goddddd my workplace is now facing shortages cause of COVID
 
Where is your workplace?
 
it's in a small Indiana town, but one of our bases of operations is in China, since it's a steel foundry
 
6:56 PM
plus COVID might actually hit it here soon since there was a case in Chicago, which is like "the big city" around these parts, not including Indianapolis, which is just a major highway intersection
 
7:18 PM
COVID = COVFEFE
conspiracy confirmed
 
oh yeah anyone ever feel like the person they're dating is way too busy all the time?? xD
 
7:43 PM
posted on March 02, 2020 by Phil Haack

Professor Laurence J. Peter wrote The Peter Principle in 1968 as satire critical of management and management practices. Over time, cynical folks latched onto it as a universal law of nature. Here’s how Professor Peter stated the law he named after himself,

 
Jack, tell @Feeds shutup
 
>:(
 
Don't @ me bro
 
7:58 PM
found out the person I was referring to only woke up like 20 minutes ago
 
8:11 PM
@Freerey I think my girlfriend feels like that. I work an hour longer than her (she works 8h in the kindergarten, I 8h+break as a dev), and I have been very busy with my personal Blazor project lately. I love her very much though.
Also I get my overtime paid out (if I don't take it as extra vacation), so I often work longer.
So I just got shown windows93
 
oh lmao I've heard of that
reminds me I had a prof who was salty that Microsoft never properly finished OS/2 -- said things would be so much better if they hadn't left IBM
 
8:33 PM
okay just the idea of a Windows 9x OS shipping with DOSBox xD
do they even have DOSBox available for 9x??
 
yeah lol
They have a damn Pokeglitch glitched pokemon emulator XD
 
suddenly I'm wondering if DOSBox can be installed in Windows 2000, since it didn't run DOS
 
Time to help the gf study, test's on thursday. Cya o/
 
sounds like a romantic time ;P
byeee!
 
I have a utility static class with functions handling various collections. Is it possible to write copy-free static methods in it ?
the caller method will just pass the reference of the collection object. After processing, the static class method will return the reference of the same collection.
ref List<T> StaticFoo(ref SomeCollection);
 
9:14 PM
 
 
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10:43 PM
yo yo yo
 
@Sakthivel not sure what your question is, but using ref is probably not what you want
 
11:08 PM
lookup for ref returns or '"copy free"
 
but why?
considering you are not using structs, your ref is not really avoiding any overhead
in fact, it might even be slower
even then, these really are premature optimizations
especially in the case of classes, you should avoid refs as long as possible
 
11:26 PM
@Wietlol ah thats what i wanted to understand.The overhead of copying multiple list<t> and back and forth between a utility. Reading & manipulating each item from the list vs using the reference of the list to do the same.
 
you dont copy the list tho
you copy the value of the variable
that value itself is a reference
you would copy the reference to the list
which would be 8 bytes probably
using ref parameters, you dont copy the value of the variable, but instead, you copy the reference to the variable
 
ah yeah
 
which would be an equal amount of copying
the point of ref parameters is either mutation of structs, optimization of large structs or meta operations
 
Oh, so the difference is you once copy the reference which is 8 bit or you copy the list once by sending it as a parameter for the method itself.
 
for example swap(ref a, ref b)
 
11:29 PM
ah
I am such a noob
 
you never copy the list
when you do something like StaticFoo(myList), all you say is "do this thing with the list over there"
 
oh yes. I use the argument as is
gotcha
 
ref returns are a bit more complex because of how the runtime has to deal with stack frames, but they essentially have the same benefits and drawbacks
 
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