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9:03 AM
@Hozuki Maybe you can click a button on its profile page: chat.stackoverflow.com/users/-2/feeds
 
I wonder who has user id -1
And 0
 
Cumminty is -1
 
@Squirrelkiller Yep, thank you!
 
9:04 AM
Feeds is not listed in the persons thing.
 
0 doesn't exist, 1 is Jeff Atwood
 
-3 = QT
-4 = Meta SO Election Questions!
 
OH I see you can jsut change the number in the url
 
int.MinValue is Jon Skeet.
 
I was very confused for like a second when I wrote "1" into it and pressed enter and Wietbot appeared lol
 
9:05 AM
-16 is the lowest I can find
 
Until I realiized autocomplete pranked me
 
hehe
mine autocompletes 1 to squiggle
speaking of which, is he ded?
 
mr5
saME
 
No comment on this one.
 
mr5
9:10 AM
you should have said:
samE
 
saME
(lets go back up again)
 
mr5
🤦
 
You all skippd same! Ruined :(
 
Oh look, a bird!
 
mr5
let's start again
sHAME
 
9:12 AM
./sh AME
 
Feb 3 at 15:07, by Wietlol
heh, you got demoted?
 
heh
 
o-
 
I guess we should make ntohl an RO as well :D
 
Does "I may never know" mean "Maybe I'll never know" or "I'm never allowed to know"?
 
9:15 AM
technically?
 
Maybe I'll never know
 
mr5
 
As we saw many times before, technicalities are complicated with languages.
 
mr5
 
btw it was a culture shock, when I got into the F# room, that ppl there rioted against Caprica6, and every fluffing Feeds message had at least 1 star
 
9:17 AM
@Squirrelkiller technically, "I'm allowed to never know"
 
using !friday caused a rage there...
 
So here's the "problem" I've been sitting on basically the last two hours:
The username part is what I want it to look like
The password part is what bootstrap says the code should be
And yet, when I make the code like it should be, it looks horizontal.
@Wietlol Seems technically right, but also nonsensical in 99,9999% of cases.
Although that number might still be too low
 
that is why not so many people use the phrase perhaps
 
whoa, how weird to be able to see everyone's avatars
 
NIEL
 
9:21 AM
finally not stuck behind a proxy anymore
 
@Squirrelkiller Maybe you need to add CSS to make <label> elements display:block?
 
finally removed his "security"
 
not using my work computer to be here is what it amounts to :)
 
Not according to w3schools: w3schools.com/bootstrap/…
 
working from home, so I use my home pc for chatting
 
9:22 AM
Seems pretty straight forward, except it's not working for me lol
 
@Squirrelkiller Maybe you have some CSS in your project that sets it to display: inline?
 
Good question. I'd have to make a new issue on github for their default css ruining bootstraps forms lol.
 
mr5
<div class="row">
	<div class="col-6 smol">
		<label text="Username" />
	</div>
	<div class="col-6 smol">
		<input />
	</div>
</div>
<div class="row">
	<div class="col-6 smol">
		<label text="Password" />
	</div>
	<div class="col-6 smol">
		<input />
	</div>
</div>
 
> In an inline form, all of the elements are inline, left-aligned, and the labels are alongside.

Note: This only applies to forms within viewports that are at least 768px wide!
 
mr5
@Squirrelkiller ^
Everything I do here is influenced by a meme
It should be "smol" though
who murdered this meme
 
9:26 AM
Nothing in the css about that. They're well behaved and only style their own sidebar stuff and such.
OH I could just col-12 both the label and the username, that would also make the form single-column.
I'd just prefer to not throw col's on every damn element on everydamn form.
 
@mr5 It's possible the image predates "smol".
I think smol is ~2015 or so, no earlier.
 
@mr5 poor dog
 
 
:D
 
9:34 AM
@Neil rimworld in a nutshell
 
Maria Chin binti Abdullah (Jawi: ماريا چين بنت عبدالله; born 1956 in United Kingdom) also known as Mary Chin Cheen Lian (simplified Chinese: 陈清莲; traditional Chinese: 陳清蓮; pinyin: Chén Qīnglián) is a Malaysian Member of Parliament for Petaling Jaya constituency and activist who held the Bersih rally and formed the Coalition for Clean and Fair Elections 2.0 (Bersih 2.0) non-governmental organisation. She is a women and human rights activist in Malaysia and became chairwoman of Bersih 2.0 from 2013 until 2018. She was the founder member and former chairperson of All Women Action Society (AWAM). She...
玛利亚陈阿都拉(馬來語:Maria Chin Abdullah),原名陈清莲(馬來語:Mary Chin Cheen Lian),马来西亚社运分子,从政前为净选盟2.0主席。她于英国伦敦出生,也是干净与公平选举联盟(净选盟)-一个监督马来西亚选举机制的非政府组织创办人。她也是一名女权分子,是女性行动协会主席(All Women Action Society,AWAM)和雪兰莪州社区自强协会(Persatuan Kesedaran Komuniti Selangor)执行董事。 == 参考资料 == == 外部链接 == 玛利亚陈的Twitter帳戶…
 
沒用了,移民吧。此時此刻,我都為馬來西亞感到羞恥。
 
!~translate 沒用了,移民吧。此時此刻,我都為馬來西亞感到羞恥。
 
Useless, immigrants. At this moment, I am ashamed of Malaysia.
·from Chinese Simplified
!~translate 如果這次大選通過了,當選的還是一樣是種族政治分子。我就要考慮去別的國家深造了
If this election is passed, it will still be ethnic politicians. I will consider going to another country for further study
·from Chinese Simplified
 
9:46 AM
port
 
Where can we go? :(
 
ahoy mateys
 
You have money and technology, no problem everywhere
 
I guess only .NET 5.0 will make Blazor an actually feasible SPA framework: github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/5465
 
9:47 AM
Me, might consider taiwan
 
ahoy squirrel
 
@Squirrelkiller with your html css questions
sometimes you have to do what actually works instead of what the styleguide says
that OR
 
I only got skills, money isn't mine
Taiwan also not so stable
 
inspect the examples they give, as 9 times out of 10 it'll be different from the actual example code they provide
 
taiwan is better than malaysia
 
9:49 AM
@Squirrelkiller you've always been able to teach him links
unless i'm not understanding the usage you are referring to
 
better pay, better environment, better education, better medication, better government
better economy
 
Singapore can be a choice too
Not sure what will happen to Taiwan in next 10 years because of China
 
no, singapore too stressful
 
better corona virus accessibility too @nyconing
 
singaporean lcly
-.-
 
V.7
9:52 AM
@CaptainObvious Cumminty :3
 
corona virus sure isnt issue after few months
 
You show your power, they will lick your boots
 
@CaptainSquirrel The w3schools link goes to the tryit editor, which actually runs the code you put in there. So that one is indeed what is rendered.
 
@Squirrelkiller i meant the rendered examples on the bootstrap site lmao
 
no, I wont become lcly
 
9:54 AM
yaay. 4th Census badge
 
@CaptainSquirrel I just remember trying to teach him to send a picture (via link that would onebox) and would always fuck it up since he would read the actual html in the message.
 
do Your homework, and fill in the SO survey
 
Not asking you to LCLY...
 
mr5
there's a new survey?
lcly means luckily?
 
Jack, learn squirreltest <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg
 
9:55 AM
I've learned the command squirreltest
 
Jack, squirreltest
 
I dont like selffish person, I hate them, can you believe most of singaporean are selffish
 
morning all
 
@Squirrelkiller ^
Jack, forget squirreltest
 
9:55 AM
Command squirreltest has been forgotten
 
@mr5 I just got a mail, that it's going to close soon
 
what way to start the day, nearly an hour late because someone crashed into some traffic lights, only to come in and find the automation server has died
its gonna be a long one :(
 
you just gotta make sure it ends with the image extension
 
mr5
@ntohl SO will be closed?
u sure it's not spam?
 
stackoverflow to close?
....
it may affect productivity across global
 
9:57 AM
Why would you hate them, just let them be
They may be selfish but they can be good too
 
@DAustin ugh
one of those days huh
 
I think it is because of Kiasu mentality
Kiasu is part of their culture
 
taiwan more friendly, less selffish
 
thank christ, was just some bad user data
a k18 error you might say lol
 
Ah yes, love it when that happens
 
9:59 AM
@CaptainSquirrel The inspecting was a good idea. FFS I just needed a rubber duck it turns out. I forgot the class="form-control".
 
never their fault of course
 
close to japan, so I can go japan without expensive flying ticket
 
the computer should know!
 
@Squirrelkiller :)
 
looks like i've got some validation code to write, I love how so much code has to be written to protect people from theirselves
 
10:01 AM
users are dumb
 
Seems like you're affected a lot by their culture
 
except me
 
so dumb, i shit you not i had to teach the accounts manager how to copy paste a few weeks ago
 
\o/
 
the ACCOUNTS manager, surely you survive on excel?
i dont mind users, if they could all do what we did then we wouldnt get paid
but my manager is a character i tell ya
he loooooves him some tech buzz words
used in the completely wrong context
 
10:03 AM
:/
 
@mr5 not SO entirely, but the SO survey
 
@CaptainSquirrel Right, my problem with Jcak was teaching him a link with content, like this
 
yeh ive learnt over the years that i need to spend time making sure he actually wants me to do what he just asked, half the time he used the wrong term and nearly sent me off for 2 days on the wrong thing lol
 
@Squirrelkiller riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
 
ive used lmgtfy more than once to him as well xD
 
10:06 AM
yeah, that's bork
I can always fix said command if needed but
i also need to fix the commands command
 
mr5
@ntohl it's the most useful survey for us programmers though :(
 
hm
my foot feels like its on fire
from all my walking yesterday
:(
 
Jack, example
 
I've learned the command example
 
@mr5 I mean this years survey will be evaulated in the near future
 
10:08 AM
@CaptainSquirrel Then you made the foot bath too hot
@nyconing Jack doesn't listen to edits
...we should fix that
 
@Squirrelkiller noes, my foot hurts because blister
 
Jack, example
 
lol the .Replace i strong with this one
 
yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
 
10:09 AM
Jack, example a
 
....Come Again?
 
I did port jack over to github about 3 months ago
I'll update the repo and make him public so people can fix
later this evening
....maybe
 
hmm
 
mr5
Jack, learn \';_/.,`读写汉字 - 学中文🤦 <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg
 
I've learned the command \';_/.,`读写汉字
 
10:10 AM
link to github?
 
leel
!~shiba
 
mr5
Jack, \';_/.,`读写汉字
 
- 学中文🤦 <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg ...
 
mr5
HAHA!
 
10:10 AM
@nyconing dont look at me like that !
 
emoji should work in c#
 
@nyconing It's not public yet
or up-to-date
 
mr5
Jack, learn \';_/.,`读写汉字-学中文🤦 <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg
 
That command be far too long
 
mr5
Jack, learn \';_/.,`汉-中文🤦 <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg
 
10:11 AM
I've learned the command \';_/.,`汉-中文🤦
 
mr5
Jack, \';_/.,`汉-中文🤦
 
System.Text.Rune
Represents a Unicode scalar value ([ U+0000..U+D7FF ], inclusive; or [ U+E000..U+10FFFF ], inclusive).
 
these headphones of mine are fubar
 
mr5
Jack, \';_/.,`汉-中文🤦
 
<>https://i.stack.imgur.com/9KoUZ.jpg ...
 
10:13 AM
how would it be to have the api of the bot be in an actual programming language?
 
am confuse
 
@Wietlol That's why Jack's built in C# bro
 
@Wietbot learn("funfriday", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0")
@Squirrelkiller Jack's api is shit and you know it
:D
 
10:14 AM
Careful now
 
I mean... string replace? for real?
 
we wouldn't want to get a boot mark all over your avatar
 
Nah the API is fine
 
FROM ME KICKING YOU
 
how many times have you been told that it is bad?
 
10:15 AM
wait hold the fuck up
why is wiet a room owner
 
Dang...I'm still haven't actually start making Overlord
 
but I wonder if an actual programming language as api language would be nice
 
.Replace is in the command resolve process
I actually had that problem too with Sandy and solved it, but then forgot Sandy
 
ofcourse we can go full rebel at that point
@Wietbot CommandLearner.Learn(CommandFactory.Create(keyword: "funfriday", action: (commandInvocation) => SoClientSingleton.Instance.SendMessage(MessageFactory.Create(text: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0"))))
 
mr5
10:18 AM
@Wietlol this should be, learn("funfriday", () => { var httpClient = new HttpClient...}))
=> => => => =>
 
with my isolation stuff, I could easily make this happen without security issues
 
mr5
thick equal sign
 
Jack, status
 
I am oper̶̨̛̯̰̬̞̰̰̝̲̪̞͈͖͂̈́̋̄̀͛̎͗̓̂̃̅͋͒͐̓̑́͆̀͊̂̑͐̐̊̈̑̒̌̏̉̑̿̚̕͘̚̚͝͝͝͝͝atin̵̢̩̟̲͖̆͊̆̿̀̕͝g̶̹̈́̆̓̏̇̂́͗ at 1̷̳̑00̴͚̝̲̦͙̰̂͑͜%̴̨͚̭̰̟̖̌̉̇̎̏̀͘̕ c̸̢̪̩̘̙̲̺̼͕̏̎̑̃̍ä̶̠̦͉̹͈͍͕̤̗͉́̽͋̉̃͘͝͝͠͠p̶̣̖̟̠̠̳̗̩̹͆͑́͊͊͑̈́͜ȁ̷̡̘͚̤̟͖̬̓͊͌̍̒̆̆͗̆͜͠c̷̢̧̨͍͕̮̦̔͐͊͝i̶̩͌̈̔͌̍̈́͌̉̕͝t̶̢̛̼̤͕̺͍͍̙̪̗͚̚y̶̠̘̲͉̞͔͉̝͕̝͗͐̿̇͠͠͝
 
@ntohl madness
 
10:20 AM
actually... there would easily be security issues
 
Overload syntax: !~ command or Overload, command or both?
 
!~ is ny's
 
@Wietlol Not a chance
 
@nyconing ?
 
Clash of Bots
 
mr5
10:22 AM
2 mins ago, by JackSparrow
I am oper̶̨̛̯̰̬̞̰̰̝̲̪̞͈͖͂̈́̋̄̀͛̎͗̓̂̃̅͋͒͐̓̑́͆̀͊̂̑͐̐̊̈̑̒̌̏̉̑̿̚̕͘̚̚͝͝͝͝͝atin̵̢̩̟̲͖̆͊̆̿̀̕͝g̶̹̈́̆̓̏̇̂́͗ at 1̷̳̑00̴͚̝̲̦͙̰̂͑͜%̴̨͚̭̰̟̖̌̉̇̎̏̀͘̕ c̸̢̪̩̘̙̲̺̼͕̏̎̑̃̍ä̶̠̦͉̹͈͍͕̤̗͉́̽͋̉̃͘͝͝͠͠p̶̣̖̟̠̠̳̗̩̹͆͑́͊͊͑̈́͜ȁ̷̡̘͚̤̟͖̬̓͊͌̍̒̆̆͗̆͜͠c̷̢̧̨͍͕̮̦̔͐͊͝i̶̩͌̈̔͌̍̈́͌̉̕͝t̶̢̛̼̤͕̺͍͍̙̪̗͚̚y̶̠̘̲͉̞͔͉̝͕̝͗͐̿̇͠͠͝
 
@Overlord might even be the best
 
mr5
Is this an encoding issue or a font feature?
or a rendering issue?
 
its bot feature
 
it is,
1 able to spawn the bot in rooms it is not,
2 unambiguous
3 auto-completable
 
mr5
I mean, it can be found on other pages as well
 
10:23 AM
unicode 'feature'
 
@Overlord, !!, ##, @@
Well...why not support all? :D
 
!! is James'
 
Invalid command! Did you mean: bs, ifs, js? Try help for a list of available commands.
 
^
!~ it was Ny's actual response?
 
I guess it was
 
Overmind is better than Overlord
 
lol
!~?
 
WHAT AM I DOING HERE?! WHY NOT JUST START CODING OVERLORD???
But I'm a little bit lazy now...
 
10:31 AM
:'( I bad with exceptions, now I need to implement inner exceptions for the class library
 
exceptions are pretty easy
why do you need to "implement" inner exceptions?
 
well i have apps that reference the class library, so my limiting understanding say I'll need to pass any exceptions caused there back up to the caller?
I've used exceptions before in their most basic form
just not from a class library to a calling app, sure its straight forward, just reading up on it but the coffee hasnt kicked in yet
 
Depends. If it's an exception you can reasonably handle and return a result to the caller that makes sense (like in a try pattern), you can jsut handle it.
If it's somewhere you can't handle it reasonably, you shouldn't. E.g. if you try reading a file and it throws because hte file doesn't exist, that exception should probably be thrown out to the caller.
Of course you could mask the whole thing so every method catches everything and throws a new exception outside that only says stuff like "Error while reading file" or something.
 
well th ecaller is a service on a timer, so if it fails it has to be restarted by someone, so I gotta handle it
 
Depends on who uses it library I'd say.
Or should the service handle it?
 
10:37 AM
its pretty much just a DAL with some extra business logic thrown in there
 
@DAustin "I'll need to pass any exceptions caused there back up to the caller"
this is default behavior
 
ah ok
 
you shouldnt catch exceptions in your library
 
be gentle, it's my first time :P
 
except if you really know what to do with it
 
10:39 AM
well there are multiple services, but the first service imports orders from multiple vectors
one of them is this good awful FTP service
I have replaced it with an API, but management won't use it :(
 
oh my god
 
the specs for the csv order are hilariously stupid, and if the data comes in malformed it can trip the whole service u[
up*
 
Well, there might be a "ConnectionLostException". Now you gotta decide whether you handle it by trying to reconnect, or have the caller decide what to do with it.
 
Psychosocial but on a banjo
 
so im moving that process out to itsa own service so it doesnt cause all other imports to fail, but I'm gonna need exception handling to notify me of when a bad csv comes in
its because the bespoke code here is a complete mess, multiple devs who rushed stuff or didnt give a crap
no documentation, just code dumps and "general" notes
so I've reverse engineered as much as I could find, moved all the DAL to its on class library
own*
I mean, most of this was written in VBScript
INline SQL everywhere, inc on forms on the company intranet
Stored procs up the wazoo
 
10:43 AM
At work we use a library from another team to...calculate some things.
This library will start calculations at, say 50 webservices.
Some of these services may timeout, so there is an exception when that happens.
We don't really care about that, we just want our list with a few hundred results. When something doesn't come out, the other team has to fix it. But it shouldn't throw into our application.
 
so debugging could take an hour or 2 depending on where the error is thrown
@Squirrelkiller Yeah sounds about what I'm after
just like with security, adding it after the fact is harder than including it from the start
 
> Debugging could take an hour or 2
 
one of the ones that took forever to track down was one of the services didnt dispose its SQL connections
 
I wish debugging only took an hour or 2 someimtes
 
Also there's a WebAPI we use now. Building the interface for that was horrible, since it would always throw us NullReferenceExceptions. With no chance of finding hte actual problem, but debugging the actual WebAPI. That sucked.
 
10:44 AM
@CaptainObvious depends on the error
 
@CaptainObvious that's the dream
 
also, debugging is not fixing yet
 
so it would just leak, but no info
 
only finding out where the issue comes from
 
Yeah even finding the issue is painful
 
10:45 AM
how come?
 
So in the end it was "yeah this value in a sortedlist has to be an int and not a string". But still I had to either debug that shit or make a ticket with "here's our input, why does it crash?".
Yeah that kind of exception really sucks
 
All we kne wwas that after a week or so, it would just stop and needed a restart, wasn't until I was profiling the SQL server for something else I noticed all these hanging connecitons, walked through the code and sure enough, a few methods didnt close and dispose their connections
 
I assume you are not using a 12MiB .xslm file with calculations that you have to process through with values in multiple formats
 
Bugs which are recurring but the cirumstances which cause it aren't clear are always fun
 
oh yes
throw into that that you're the only IT guy in the business, let alone dev
 
10:46 AM
lol
 
most of the time I can't take pre-emptive measures, I just have to play whack a rat with probs
 
There's a bug we've sorta left to chill for a while which happens every night
 
this class library was a step in the right direction though, no more havoing to write out connection strings etc lol
@CaptainObvious sound sfun
 
It only happens out of hours, but before a service stops running, when a scheduled task is called, but not every time
 
If no one notices, then it's a feature not a bug :P
OH GREAT!
the alarm company now needs to move a sensor in my office
FML
 
10:49 AM
Can confirm: A bug is only a bug when a customer starts screaming.
 
@Squirrelkiller lol
well i might as well forget getting anything done this morning, nice to have someone drilling the wall 2 ft away...
 
All of our unhandled exceptions are emailed to us automatically
 
"we dont have bugs, we only have features"
"but your website is down, no one can access it!"
"see? optimal security"
 
lol when that happened to us, the CEO came by and went "you know what everyone just go do home office".
@CaptainObvious That would fucking flood our mail server
 
Bossman isnt here half the toime for us to do that :(
 
10:50 AM
We have a Seq server
 
For some reason the management here is really against working from home
 
@CaptainObvious same
I can't remote work, then they get all pissy when the server goes down for an update during office hours xD
well, if you gave me a laptop and let me work from home 1 day a week, I could do this out of hours but noooooo lol
 
@Squirrelkiller get on my level
 
I'd rather not
 
@CaptainObvious Yeah I'm gonna have it email me, and possibly insert a log entry to the db
I'm indifferent to working from home, my worry is that I would just watch youtube all day
particulary as no one here is capable of reviewing my work (or cares)
 
10:53 AM
We have an alert system though. When Seq logs over a certain threshold per Category, we get a Slack message to a certain monitoring channel.
 
mr5
arg
Swift fffff sucks!
 
Threshold are like 5-20 errors within 5-10 minutes
 
@Squirrelkiller I wish I was part of a team, if only to bounce ideas around
It's why I've started coming here and chatting with you guys :)
I've got no one to nerd out with at work :(
lmao, I installed Symanted Endpoint Protection on the new web server yesterday
now I'm getting asked about all these email alerts regarding PHP attacks etc
 
Time for some tortellini and star trek, cya later o/
 
Enjoy \o
 
10:56 AM
@CaptainObvious lol wat
 
we actually have one service which sends emails on errors
but it doesnt send those emails to us
instead, to a third party
we call their web service, and sometimes get a 500 internal server error
when that happens, they have to find out what the error was
so, we send them an email
 
You can't just blame the third party
 
ok so where should I be handling exceptions in the following scenario?
 
other than that, all our logging is fine actually
@CaptainObvious wanna bet?
 
using (var _ctxWeb = new TradeSiteModels())
        {
            //Get the pending orders
            List<Drop_Ship> Orders = _ctxWeb.Drop_Ship.Include(x => x.Items).Where(x => (int)x.Processed == 0 && x.order_build == 0).ToList();
            if (Orders.Any())
            {
                foreach (Drop_Ship Order in Orders)
                {
                    Console.WriteLine(Order.ID);
                    OrderImport import = new OrderImport(Order);
                    Order.Processed = 1;
so the OrderImport(Order order) class handles all the different types of orders, depending on the signature
so should I be doing both at the caller level above AND in the OrderImport contructor?
or just the caller?
 
10:59 AM
what exception do you expect?
 
no idea, its failing silently
FileIO probably
 

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