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2:02 PM
I am back
 
ok
@ten5 hey there!
 
I need to learn how to swim and in order to do it I need to get into the pool and try
I've been by the pool reading books about swimming and that getting into the pool is just not for me yet (it seems, like writing the PHP code in an IDE)
how would I get closet to that?
like get into the water entirely for 30 seconds, get out and lay on the sun for 30 minutes, and repeat
php coding is the goal
I need to get into the water and swim, but it does not seem to be for me yet, I am more like reading books on swimming on the side of the pool
 
@ten5 oh gawd
 
how to light that spark in my head, like having 1000s of files full of interworking code in an IDE
just crazy writing of great code.... type of person
how to get into that water and swim, how to become that thousands of files full interworking code in an IDE person...
 
Get thrown into the water basically
 
2:05 PM
I am a person who reads books on swimming on the side of the pool
 
but are you a philosopher or a programmer or just have you mistaken chatroom?
(o_O)
 
Do oyu even want to swim, or do you just enjoy reading books?
 
@AtanvarCoslin - learning to be a php programmer, I know this is not a PHP room, but I was here before, they wont tell me there...
 
ok
sooo why don' t come here? chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/11/php
 
@Squirrelkiller - I dont really enjoy the reading, but I want to do it, this is a natural thing for me ("vocation"); like I am not forcing myself into doing this and I want to do something else, this is what I want to do
 
2:07 PM
I heard they kicked him @AtanvarCoslin
 
but getting into that pool is just not it now
I am on the side and read the books...
and I need to get in and swim...
 
@Squirrelkiller really?!
 
php/mysql
 
@ten5 write fizzbuzz
 
@Lemonade1947 - I've looked it up on google.com, I will look into this
so how to break that in?
 
!!tell ten5 googleme fizzbuzz php
 
get in for 10 seconds, get out and lay down on the sun for 30 minutes
 
or put one leg in there for a minute?
 
jfc
it's a metaphor
 
2:09 PM
@ten5 you can try...
 
It doesn't bare extending this far
 
@AtanvarCoslin - this room can be good
 
@ten5 it's also not about php
 
you can find me there
 
2:10 PM
modified fizzbuzz, because you can easily copy and paste code: write a fizzbuzz which behaves as a normal fizzbuzz, but when the number happens to be modulus 4, it prints "buzzfizz" instead of "fizzbuzz"
 
too much fizzbuzz
 
The fact you've spent a year reading programing books and can't write fizzbuzz should really tell you a lot @ten5
 
I dont want to get in the water and if you will force me I will not swim (most likely), I am the person on the side reading the books about swimming and I need to swim
so how to get to like it?
how could I light up that spark in my head
 
you can't learn to like something unfortunately. You can learn to be good at something, but not to like something
 
that thousands of innterconnected files in an ide "guy", creating this, just going crazy on this
how to become that, shape myself into that?
 
2:11 PM
Hello yes? I'd like one suicide please
 
@Neil - it is not that I dislike it, it is just not my thing like materially, yet
like being it that water is not like me, yet
 
also, I suppose if there is one piece of advice I could give you, it's that there is no single piece of advice that would propel you to programming stardom because otherwise everyone would do it
 
@Neil In this case there is.
 
you just sort of have to find your own way that works best for you
 
@Neil That piece of advice is to write some code
 
2:12 PM
@Lemonade1947 well that doesn't make you a programming genius
though that's good general advice
 
@ten5 Rome was not built in a day
you need time for be better
 
>I would like to be a stereotypical Hollywood programmer. How can I achieve this.
 
@AtanvarCoslin - yes, this is what I was saying earlier, here, I need to study more and the time will come...
I think that this is true, I need more time...
 
To be fair, I don't think ten's asking for that
 
@ten5 We already told you how to get there. You just don't want to listen.
 
2:14 PM
all that I watch or read sinks in (this is a fact, as I control this, I know that I read with full understanding and son on)
 
Have you considered doing some programing? No I'm not ready yet.
 
@Neil He's asking for an echo chamber. He's in the wrong place for that.
 
so I guess, just continue reading the books and wait...
 
@ten5 Do this, tbh.
 
I actually got lost in the middle of the speech ...
 
2:15 PM
and be aware that getting into the water is the best, consider that
 
(-_-)
 
@ten5 I've changed my opinion. I think you should keep doing this.
Maybe one day.. one day when you're older, you'll be ready for hello world.
 
The metaphor police would like to have a word with you
 
@ten5 What book are you going to read next?
 
ten5 at 50 years old: Hey look at this, I did a hello world!!!!
 
2:16 PM
Murachs MySQL, Murachs MySQL and PHP
 
@ten5 in Italy there is a saying: until the water touches the ass, the donkey does not swim
 
OOP and MVS, design patterns - subjects - seem to be in the line too
 
so you have to do a jump
 
ten5's then-current wife: That's nice honey. Would you like some water? It's important to drink water.
 
and do what then?
database stuff
 
2:17 PM
@Squirrelkiller At 50 years old: "Hey guys check it out, I just read a 300 page book on how to do a hello world"
 
Why are Spotify so fucking retarded jesus christ
 
@Squirrelkiller Fucking keked
 
I mean, write what you want to write but this is hard, like video script (tube)
 
@ten5 JUST
FUCKING
WRITE
SOME
 
@Lee because ten5 didn't write it
 
2:17 PM
CODE
 
Just a heads up people. If you give this thing attention it will keep being stupid for a long time. We have been dealing with for months now in 11
 
In the new version, such features as album art are now gone
 
Just ignore and/or kick
 
@Lemonade1947 - how to "fuel that"
 
C-C-C-COMBOBREAKER
 
2:18 PM
where to take the energy for that?
 
@ten5 Get hopped up on Modafinil and energy drinks and write a whole webservice in half a day
 
The only room he should go find is a mental ward room
That's all
Enjoy your day o/
 
energy drinks - dont drink that - not good!!!
 
@ten5 By writing code, executing it and seeing how it runs. That gives you the energy ot continue.
 
@ten5 you're like a parody of a human being.
 
2:19 PM
dont eat or drink this chemicals, look at the contents of things
 
Can be listen to PeeHaa?
 
To bring it back, you need to reinstall spotify. Remember not to minimise the album art to the small preview, because if you do, you need to reinstall spotify to make it bigger again
 
what you drink and eat and do physically matters, is an important thing!!!
 
Define chemicals
 
Anyone with authority in here?
 
2:19 PM
Why can't I see what ten5 is saying
 
improve yourself!!!
 
stuff with E-numbers?
 
@ten5 everything is a fucking chemical you utter utter SPENG
 
@RudiVisser wow, you are missing OUT
it's pure gold
 
Oh wow I had him on ignore, unignored
 
2:20 PM
@RudiVisser Truly you're missing out on the biggest dumpster fire this chat has ever seen
 
Get ready for crazy town Rudi
 
Oh god it's that guy
 
The left sidebar is bugged out to shit too, so if you hover over a discover weekly (extending the title of the playlist) then it spazzes out
 
Yeah I remember the circles
 
@Squirrelkiller - not all E-... is bad, I've heard...
 
2:20 PM
@ten5 you're "How to structure php project" guy right?
With the layers
 
@ten5 You've heard? Don't assume - verify.
 
like get things that are just natural things that occur in nature, this is a good path to go
 
I especially liked how he was more alarmed by my drinking energy drinks than my abuse of prescription drugs.
 
like rice, lentils, meat, fruit, vegtable
 
@RudiVisser he's been here before?
 
Oh yes, that was a frustrating day to the point that I ignored him
 
not something that i made by people - like a,b,c,d,e,f connected into a product that you buy - the less the ingredients the better...
 
@Lemonade1947 oh god, you drink energy drinks!?
 
I don't get angry easily but that guy really fucked me off
 
@ten5 Lava? Because lava occcurs in nature.
Also sulfur
 
2:22 PM
:)
 
@ten5 Marijuana is all natural.
 
Also sodium
 
@Lemonade1947 this is better
 
i n a b i l i t y
 
Poor @Petah was trying to help him out, but just check out the shit he was spouting the other day too: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/172334/room-for-petah-and-ten5
> I mean we have like a table with glass surface and we build our app under that, like in 3d
This is all he kept saying on repeat
 
2:23 PM
he taught me a lot of things, this is great because these are the points that I can use as a starting point
 
just stay away from that dihydrogen monoxide
that stuff kills
 
"But think of the structure of the app. Like a table with glass surface, and we build our app. And how to structure app, like layer of table"
 
that frame of thinking that I can add to with my own research
 
"There must be matrix, I want understand the matrix"
 
either way, I was some place else like 2 weeks ago, before I met this person who told me that I may be on a wrong path of learning
 
2:24 PM
I've never hated "matrix" so much as a word as on that day
 
ten5, are you 007 in secret?!
 
like studying the php.net manual for 5 years to get better at things...
way of thinking
 
@ten5 Better at what exactly? Give me an example.
 
Supposedly ten5 is a PHP developer for many years, but doesn't understand the matrix of an app
and thus concludes my recollection of why he's on ignore
 
like learning to paint the restrooms on the 100th floor with my leg instead of digging up the whole and putting in the skeleton of a building first
 
2:24 PM
Like, a specific example.
 
I'm so confused.
 
knowing why you're on the wrong path is just as important as correcting your path
Don't just take someone's word for it
 
so even though I am not there yet, I am already in a better place...
 
@ten5 since when did this passion for php develop?
 
@ten5 please tell @RudiVisser about the php competition
 
2:25 PM
@ten5 metaphor police is at the door..
 
more theory than practice "type of guy" :)
 
How do you actually release a program this buggy
 
@ten5 Then you shouldnt try to be a developer, but a scientist of some sort
 
ohhh
 
2:26 PM
@ten5 This is incorrect. By more, you mean exclusively, as you've said multiple times you've never written any code
 
We're dealing with a computer scientist :)
that explains a lot
 
@ten5 I understand you, however, the php is a wonderful thing but complex ...
 
@LeeButler Cannot reproduce, it goes to ... for me
 
Are you on 1.0.82?
 
Yes
 
2:27 PM
Have you minimised your album art preview?
 
@RudiVisser Might want to go see the doctor about that problem of not being able to reproduce
 
@AtanvarCoslin - I've decided that I need to start learning like 11 months ago
 
I think to reproduce I'd need playlists that don't breach the width by default
 
ok, thanks again!!!
 
If you do you won't get it back though, be warned
 
2:28 PM
 
@ten5 take us through, in detail, what you've been doing since then
 
I have too many playlists to be able to do that...
 
write things to impress some imaginary people...
 
ah
and when did you update your idea?
 
projects, not the code but the apps... more and more advanced...
 
2:28 PM
It wasn't
 
so write something useful for yourself and only yourself
 
this can somehow light up the spark in my head
 
you'll see why you shouldn't do certain things
 
@ten5 Do you have a job?
 
👏👏👏👏👏
 
2:29 PM
no, I am studying full time
all the time
I am resting now and when I am ready I will start again
 
How old are you
 
I WORKED IT OUT
 
like 30+
 
2:29 PM
like 30+ lmao
 
close to 40 actually
 
So you're a NEET basically.
 
I don't buy that
 
It only happens if you hover while the window is open and has not been maximised yet
 
but don't take it personally
 
2:30 PM
but I have the time to study, I dont have to work
 
Well at least you got the healthy eating down
 
@Neil ahha yeah
 
I have the pc, software, internet connection and I can learn
 
Wait no it's still fucked. Damn spotify are bad
 
@Lemonade1947 - I am still figuring this out
 
2:31 PM
Lee have you tried giving one of your playlists a really long name
So you get the ellipsis by default
 
$$$ is good for this, healthy does not have to be expensive
 
work experience has taught me so much, easily more than what I learned at my university
And really, all that boils down to is writing code all the time
 
but if you have the money you can be like 80% there right away
but I am figuring this out, still
like I will want to save some money and go to a dietician
 
Im contemplating wether to kick for spamming and php glroyfication
 
but I am researching prior to that
 
2:31 PM
Is he still going on
 
@ten5 so you can disregard everything he says and tell him you need more time?
 
@ten5 Money isnt a way or solution
 
I am a student who also works internships from a company for a period of 1 month...
I learned more now than before!
 
Also a second dieticians opinion
 
2:33 PM
and it's still expanding?
That's awesome
 
Disgusting music
 
@Squirrelkiller - I am not sure if this food pyramid can be trusted
it is this now, it will be different two years from now
 
Also not gonna lie I didn't even know you could resize that sidebar
 
they may be advertising thigs through this
fish was good two years ago, now it is not as good
 
@Squirrelintraining Dont stop free speech
 
2:33 PM
somebody may be making money selling vegetables
this is now recommended, and all people get this
 
It appears it has a max width of 30% of the window width
 
but it will change and people will follow
I am not sure
 
Otherwise it goes nuts though
 
I like meat, I like cheese
 
mmh ok
 
2:34 PM
vegatables - yes, this is good
 
@ten5 what's your favorite cheese?
 
What food pyramid?
 
a lot of them is good, something like yellow is good, regular
 
I linked the website showing the actual Element that is E-948
 
kind of good to eat it for me like twice per day
 
meat is good too, like chicken lets say
 
@Squirrelkiller You know. Bun on bottom, burger on top of that
 
the food pyramid can say eat less of this now, but I would not follow that, I am not sure
I know that meat and cheese would work for me
 
is that a diet?
 
2:35 PM
@ten5 Which food pyramid?
 
@ten5 this is a good angle, I like this
 
Also, when did it change?
 
"healthy eating pyramid" - google images
 
@Lemonade1947 ahahh food pyramid!
 
@ten5 link me a specific one, and then link me another page showing how it changed
 
2:37 PM
@ten5 You are shill of NWO. Go to the right road of freedom, you have still chance to
 
Because i don't believe it significantly changed
 
Wake up sheeple
 
@ten5 someone brung candy to the office today and it was an extremely good angle because it made me happy
 
I was talking to a person who was studying the dietetics and she told me this, that it has changed slightly
 
But sleeping is nice
 
2:37 PM
time will demonstrate change
 
candy - dont eat
 
@ten5 Trust - but verify
 
for tooth
:B
 
@ten5 programming - don't do this.
 
fat, sugar, salt, alcohol - avoid
 
2:38 PM
@Squirrelkiller Do not trust anyone
 
Also studying dietetics doesnt mean they know wnything about it, technically.
 
Specially "firends"
 
@ten5 programing - avoid
 
there is good and bad fats, but in general they say avoid
like I dont use sugar or salt, and I started staying away from the alcohol
 
@J.Doe I trust most of the people around me to not murder me in my sleep.
 
2:39 PM
@ten5 Am I a good fat or a bad fat, @ten5
I'm very cuddly, I like to think.
 
like beer - avoid - it has the highest possible glicemic index and it damages one of the internal organs
 
@ten5 Your body actually needs salt. Not much, but it needs it.
 
and if wine - red is the best and this like one glass per week - max
 
beer ♥
 
no more
 
2:39 PM
@Squirrelkiller When im going to sleep i always check twice door lock and putting knife around bed
 
yes, beer they say, dont use at all
 
@ten5 damn!
 
not good!
 
@ten5 Most saturdays I drink half a bottle of Rum. Is this okay?
 
red wine, one glass per week max, and no other alcohol
 
2:40 PM
wine ♥
 
Finally have an explanation for
 
this is adviseable now
 
!!CaptainSquirrel2
 
basically alcohol - not good
 
2:40 PM
Lemonade drank it all
 
they say - organic 100% better than non-organic
put the money some place else
 
uff I love alchoolic drinks
 
but I am not sure if I can trust that...
 
Coca-Cola is great thing that allow me live
 
they can be pushing stuff to make $$$
 
2:41 PM
@J.Doe Me too
 
@ten5 What is non-organic in this case? Because chemically speaking, water is anorganic.
 
what is in fashion - some other people have created it and make the $$$ (Can be)
 
really?
 
Also, what about GMOs?
 
@ten5 is PhP organic?
 
2:41 PM
GMO corn is actually good
 
@Lemonade1947 Im drinking around 2l of Coca-Cola per day
 
frozen food, microvave, GMO - these areas
 
@J.Doe I honestly don't care
 
I was reading that GMO does not interact with our genome in a dietetics textbook
 
2:42 PM
but eat all frozen food all your life - you get the pic
 
@Lemonade1947 Just say'in its safe
 
This chat is so much nicer without J.Doe or Ten5
 
so frozen, microwave, GMO
 
@ten5 IS PHP ORGANIC OR NOT ANSWER ME
 
organic food
 
2:43 PM
@Lemonade1947 YES
 
@LeeButler Ouuu, you can not get attention? Poor boy
 
The ignore feature is so good. But I have no idea what the context to Lemonade's messages is
 
@AtanvarCoslin FUCKING GINALLY.
 
or frozen gmo from microvave ALL YOUR LIFE
 
@J.Doe I will fight you if you talk to lee like that he's a good boy.
 
2:43 PM
@Lemonade1947 sorry I'm a man
 
If he's being nice I can't see it anway
 
friendzone :(
 
@AtanvarCoslin wot
 
@Lemonade1947 I dont care about him, i care about what he is saying. Be objective
 
He's not being nice
 
2:44 PM
so to get into the php water, code...
 
what the hell is going on here
 
this still goes on?
 
and do like what - the database things?
what else?
 
@ten5 is the php water organic?
 
@Kendall we got someone challenging J.Doe in crazyness
 
2:44 PM
like put stuff in arrays, make them multidimensional, and then try to connect this with the database tasks
 
ew
 
@J.Doe kys
 
@ten5 First make them multidimensional, then put stuff in.
Careful with using uninitialized things
 
first make them immutable, then do stuff
 
2:46 PM
dat
 
Get that functional stuff outa here
 
:P
 
ok, I am leaving, thanks!!!
 
no problem
 
Thanks for coming
 
2:47 PM
ok, I will come back when I have some new thoughts :)
 
Today I've Learned that:
in life you have to take things with a scale of importance .. so at the top of the pyramid of the to do list put the php instead of the diet ...
 
as I am on my day off
getting into the water of php, lighting up that coding spark - type of direction
 
@ten5 Come back when you wrote a program. An actually running program. Can be hello owrld or fizzbuzz.
 
> PHP
ew
 
being that person with thousands of interconnected php files in an IDE idea :)
 
2:49 PM
You can never become that person, unless you write hello world first
 
@Squirrelkiller what is fizzbuzz?
 
THat person started by writing hello world
 
@Wietlol It's when you jizz all over a buzz.
 
So thats what i looks like
 
@ten5 yes but make them come true
 
2:49 PM
i see
 
Okay cya tomorrow guys
 
@Wietlol Print numbers. Multiples of 3 are fizz, multiples of 5 buzz, mulriples of 8 fizzbuzz
 
@RoelvanUden poor bumble bee :'(
 
2:51 PM
wow, the... peace
(^O^)
 
I started a Mediterranean diet that seemed to me....
okok I was joking
:D
 

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