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9:00 AM
have a niceeeeeeeee day Ceeeeeeeeeshaaaaaaaaarrrrp ppl!
 
for example, in Java (and C# and many other languages) you get a big package of stuff by default
in Java, it is called the JDK
 
mr5
arphile is always ahead of me
 
@Wietlol If they're their by default, they're not external dependencies. They're part of the core. It's not a meaningless distinction.
 
it has stuff like JavaFx/Swing for ui, and whatnot
but are they a dependency?
 
You can try to extract a universally applicable definition of "dependency", but you won't convince me that System.DateTime and NodaTime.LocalDateTime are equivalent for a .NET app.
 
9:02 AM
No, they aren't. If I target .NET Framework 4.6.1, I get a bunch of stuff that's already there.
I don't need more stuff on the computer to run it.
 
mr5
Wietlol vs Roel & Avnir hmmm
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If I need to deploy more stuff, that's a new dependency. Why bother if there's already a good enough built-in way?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan so you say the source of your libraries is the dependency?
as in, 10 libraries from one source is 1 dependency
and 10 libraries from 10 different sources are 10 dependencies
 
@Wietlol Again, you're being abstract when the case is very concrete. If you're writing a C# app, you already have System.DateTime. Always.
 
@Wietlol Do you ever build websites?
 
9:04 AM
then lets go back to the Java example, Java 9 introduced Jigsaw, which rips the JDK apart into mini-modules
 
It's not about sources or providers. It's about this very specific class being very specifically included automatically and present and you can use it withouty including or deploying anything for it.
 
This is the C# room
 
the jaba.base is just enough to compile
now all that default stuff is a library
@RoelvanUden i do
 
Oh look Wiet is bitching about C# again
 
@Wietlol If you need to display the current time in JS, do you include moment?
 
9:05 AM
@LeeButler not remotely
 
Now, if I were to open my hideously bloated Java IDE and open a new Java project and create an app that returns the current date time. Would I need to explicitly pick the java package that includes java.lang.Date?
 
@RoelvanUden I wouldnt write JS though
 
@Wietlol How would you get it to update automatically then?
 
so... I wouldnt include moment, but I wouldnt display the time either
I would use a different language
 
What other language?
 
9:07 AM
You're just being vague for no reason. You're not very solution orientated, you just go theory theory theory. Do you ever build shit?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I wouldnt use java.lang.Date
 
@RoelvanUden Half of the time the theory is questionable too
 
Why not? You want to print out the current date. This gives you the current date. It's a well known and supported library that is familiar to 100% of java developers.
 
because Date is stupid and hideous
 
9:08 AM
java.time.Stuff is much better
(which is actually 99% equal to Joda Time and Noda Time)
 
You're effectively taking a simple requirement and coding it much more complicated fashion to suit your aesthetics, ignoring the actual requirements of the project.
 
@LeeButler kotlin perhaps?
 
is forEach better than for, in terms of speed?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan what if I told you that the java.time.LocalDate is much simpler than java.util.Date?
 
I still wonder what you'd use instead of JS for in-browser as @LeeButler asked you, @Wietlol
 
9:09 AM
49 secs ago, by Wietlol
@LeeButler kotlin perhaps?
 
user10511180
@Breathing depends on what you want to use it for.
 
So... JS then
 
but I wouldnt write JS
so I have no idea what library it is
and it could be wasm
all I care is that it runs
 
Let's introduce a big bloated package with hundreds of KBs of networking to replace 3 lines of JS.
 
and that I use the kotlin date type
 
9:10 AM
I'm sure mobile users love you.
 
for looping and doing stuff over an item of a type?
 
@Wietlol I'd say "cool, go for it. If it's a core library that comes with Java and is an improvement, by all means use it, like .NET's DateTimeOffset".
 
@Breathing Micro-optimizations. You shouldn't care.
 
But if you said "You might as well pull in jodatime because it's no different than using java.time`, I'd stop you.
 
if it wasnt different, then why get it?
 
mr5
9:11 AM
To summarize Wiet POV, y'all should use Kotlin. It's THE BEST!
 
if it makes your life easier, then why not get it?
 
@Wietlol Because if I want to print out the current date, jodatime doesn't make my life easier.
 
@mr5 you forget what my point is
 
mr5
tl;dr lol
 
So you'd use the "new" date/time API because Oracle decided to arbitrarily reinvent the wheel instead of improveing the existing one
 
9:12 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan the issue often doesnt rise with "Hello, World!"
 
It makes my life more complicated, requires additional deployments, makes the code harder to read for others, and all because jodatime is better than java.time.LocalDate - but isn't necessarily better for what you need it to do.
@Wietlol But you're taking the complicated cases, the niches and edge cases, and building backwards to the simple ones.
 
only when you are half way in your project, you realize that you should have gone for the easier approach from the beginning
 
@Wietlol Because there's no valid reason to use huge-ass libraries to do something natively supported in a trivial bit of code
 
When I need NodaTime, I'll use NodaTime. Until then, System.DateTime will do.
 
TLDR Adding overhead is bad
 
9:14 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks arbitrary dependencies for the sake of 'it has a slightly nicer api' is insane.
 
@LeeButler but when is something not trivial code any more?
 
Trivial before drowning in dependencies
 
@RoelvanUden That's basically the state of Javascript in recent years, isn't it?
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan and then you end up with inconsistency, and you have to get used to the other things over and over again every time you switch projects
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan It's way too common, yes.
 
9:15 AM
@Wietlol IT'S THE NATIVE DATE API There isn't anything more consistent
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its DIFFERENT apis per project, there isnt anything less consistent
 
Don't you know the native date api?
 
Jesus fucking christ
 
No. It's System.DateTime for all projects. Honestly. They all use it.
Everyone except you uses System.DateTime.
 
That will convince Jon of updating Noda Time :D
 
9:18 AM
Conversations like this which make reasonable people like me appear like arseholes are why people think Stack is toxic, all because somebody won't think reasonably.
 
> When I need NodaTime, I'll use NodaTime.
 
@Wietlol I didn't mean to tag you yesterday
 
@LeeButler Yeah, and it's just one guy in a dozen that makes me want to quit this shit.
 
@LeeButler not particularly "not reasonably", just different
 
@Wietlol ... Yet you said you always need it so you'll always use it. Even just to display the current time.
 
9:19 AM
@RoelvanUden that was avner
 
mr5
Y'ALL SHUT THE FUCK UP!! K O T L I N IS THE BBEESSTT!!!
 
@mr5 you still missed the point
 
mr5
I didn't read lol
 
@Wietlol I think you did
 
Holy shit I just looked up Nodatime
 
9:20 AM
The point is quite simply: why the fuck would you install more stuff to do something trivial the built-in stuff could already fucking do
 
It's so stupid
 
mr5
you know what's up? Terminal > CMD
Unix path system > Windows path system
 
@LeeButler NodaTime has its use. It's a very niche use-case, but it's there.
 
consider you have 20 projects, and each project uses its own library for date time stuff, its own library for json serialization, its own library for database connections, its own library for web service endpoints and registration, wouldnt you have created your codebase hell?
 
@Wietlol That's not the case though, every .NET project has System.DateTime
So every single one can use it.
every single one
The big question is: why more stuff
 
9:22 AM
oh, they could all use the same library
but they need different ones because different ones are good for their particular purposes
 
I give up. Call me when this conversation ends.
 
@Wietlol But they don't. They use System.DateTime for 90% of things. And they use JSON.NET for 90% of things. That's what common libraries do.
And they customize the remaining 10% using alternative libraries, and that's fine, because not all projects are the same.
 
then why wouldnt you use NodaTime for 100% of things?
 
Because it does 90% of things WORSE than DateTime.
 
how come?
because its an external library?
 
9:24 AM
Because it's more complicated and unnecessary. That's a cognitive load on the developer and it makes your code WORSE.
 
@RoelvanUden On the "Why does it exist" page, one of the reasons is "in .NET, there's no such concept of "a date and time in a specific time zone"". That's because they should be converted to UTC before doign anything with them, and then convert it back when the user needs to see it
 
People like you are the reason simple fucking apps are 900MB on Android.
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again, its not more complicated
 
I've noticed that .NET-land tends to be a lot less fragmented than Java, and certainly JS.
 
I'm sure it's probably got valid uses, but that's a shit one for them to highlight
@RoelvanUden Don't forget the 100mb text editors and chat apps too
 
9:25 AM
@RoelvanUden yet my apps are smaller than anyone else's
 
@Wietlol I'm sure I can write a smaller app with System.DateTime to show the time than you do with NodaTime.
 
@Wietlol I DO have 54(ish) projects. They all use the same libraries for the same functions.
 
I am sure you can write "Hello, World!" in a smaller app than me
I fail to see why that is useful though
 
@LeeButler Yes and no. Time zones are confusing. There are standards that explicitly require you to notate time-zones and handle the conversion between them to do calculations. Think Calendars for example, the iCal standard. It's a nightmare with the implicitness of DateTime. If you're doing that type of work, DateTimeOffset is a must (which is also build-in). NodaTime might work for that too, because it's quite explicit.
 
mr5
@RoelvanUden akchually, when u cre8 smple app like a single button on it using Xamarin Forms, app size is automagically ~20Mb
 
9:29 AM
Wonderful. I always wanted an app with a single button to be 20MB.
 
the biggest difference between Noda and System is indeed its explicitness, which prevents stupid mistakes, which makes your applications much more robust and teaches you to think about white box testing while making your application
 
I have a text editor of size: 42,658,433 bytes
 
@ntohl can you edit text with it?
 
can you guess it? Winkle winkle
 
In fairness, that 20MB is virtually the entire Mono framework. I've built an entire warehouse management system in XF using only an additional 9mb on top of mono
 
9:30 AM
Acalispah?
(Eclipse)
 
@LeeButler That's true.
 
@Wietlol I can edit text with it. Also most users can't exit
 
I'm just bitter. I look at the size of, say, Facebook for Android: 900MB.
I mean, WHY.
 
Wait what
 
oh... then I am wondering which it is
 
9:30 AM
@ntohl notepad++
 
you can exit notepad++
 
oh, vim
 
A weather app: 90MB.
A browser: 630MB
 
notepad++ is 7,384,419 bytes
 
A file manager: 50MB
 
9:31 AM
@ntohl vim?
 
and the winner is vim
:D
 
Skype: 200MB
 
YouTUbe: 180MB
 
Fucking hell
 
9:32 AM
I never get the idea of vim
 
the first question on stackoverflow to get 1million views IIRC :)
 
you never get the idea of anything
 
@LeeButler Exactly. Android apps are bloated as fuck.
 
@ntohl or do you never get my idea?
 
David Robinson on May 23, 2017

This morning, a popular Stack Overflow question hit a major milestone:

You’re not alone, jclancy. In the five years since this question was asked, there have been over a million other developers who got stuck in Vim and couldn’t escape without a bit of help. Indeed, the difficulty of quitting the Vim editor is a common joke among developers.

I’ve been told by experienced Vim users that this reputation is unfair, and I’m sure they’re right (even I’ve gotten the hang of it in the last few years). I think there are two reasons it’s easy to forget how to exi …

 
9:33 AM
It's because everyone is allergic to actually writing apps, they just want to make webpages is bloaty AF frameworks like React, and then wonder why they run like shit
 
mr5
35Mb used to be the Android app cap size, and everything's changed, when the C# nation attacks
 
grabs popcorn
 
@Default niiice
 
@LeeButler Honestly, React is quite slim and is wonderful.
This one is much more fun: moment, a date/time lib for js, 320kb
 
lol
 
9:35 AM
320kb of code?
 
and React handles the cases especially what to show when loading something
 
pls tell me that isnt minified
 
@Wietlol Yes, and minified. Includes locales.
 
@LeeButler but time consumption is less with frameworks
 
I am not sure how you can write a date/time lib that big
 
9:37 AM
Hey, it does all the stuff.
All the stuff you could possibly conceive
So yes you should absolutely include it when you want to display the current fucking time
(that, my lads, was sarcasm)
 
mr5
@Default I would have gone for another answer, "this is how you quit VIM, open another Terminal, type pkill vi*"
 
haha
 
@RoelvanUden what if it is always included?
 
@Wietlol it's not.
 
> what if it is ...
 
9:39 AM
wonderful! but it's not.
 
But wait, I wonder if there was one that is...
INTRODUCING: System.DateTime
 
so, "its not included by default, so its heresy to include it by default!"
yet, "it is included by default, its wonderful!"
 
... you really don't get it do you?
a simple fucking task like showing the time can be done with the built-in Date
why fucking force your clients to download 320kb of extra shit?!
 
I certainly hope not
 
it's just retarded
 
9:40 AM
Date shouldnt have time
 
WHY NOT
They're different units of the same measure
 
YOU ARE THE MOST INFURIATING PERSON I'VE EVER TALKED TO
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I said it.
 
@RoelvanUden yet you are fine if MS said "every client should now download 320kb more every time"
 
where the fuck did i say that
 
> wonderful!
 
9:42 AM
Do you have magic glasses that twist the meaning of every word to suit your own warped views?
 
I have to give Roel some credit, he's got some serious willpower not using his RO powers to evict
 
> what if it is always included?
> wonderful!
 
the whole quote is "wonderful! but it's not."
put down your magic glasses
 
"what if it is always included?" + "every client should always download what is included" = "every client should now download 320kb more every time"
 
Let me twist your words then
 
9:43 AM
@RoelvanUden that makes no difference
if it was included, you would find it wonderful
sadly, it is not
 
@RoelvanUden, No I am!
 
IF IT IS ALREADY ON THE SYSTEM OF THE FUCKING USER, YOU USE IT.
 
btw idea behind vim is using only the keyboards left side when writing/modifying text. No mouse needed/no arrow keys needed. Also introducing modes. Insert mode/normal mode/selection mode. So you have your shortcuts for the right mode. Modification is separated into command+motion, where motion can be a very wide range of variety.
 
IF IT'S NOT, YOU CONSIDER THE TRADE-OFF.
Really.
 
i read the whole conversation, what are you talking about
 
9:44 AM
It's not rocket science.
I honestly give up. I wonder what kind of person you are when talked to in real-life.
 
i feel lost. @Wietlol you are doing it for lulz?
 
playing devils advocate is a pretty established phenomenon. no need to read too much into it IMO
 
mr5
I summon you Cap!!
 
May 5 '16 at 15:17, by BoltClock
THIS ROOM IS OUT OF CONTROL
 
@Proxy not at all
 
mr5
9:45 AM
there
 
@RoelvanUden Harmony
exchange of views is the best thing humans can do
 
@Proxy I fucking hope so, there's no way a single person could be this dense and infuriating. The galaxy would collapse in on itself
 
i do not understand then what your are arguing about?
 
just practise deep @Breathing.
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@Proxy the basic point is "dont avoid a good library because for the sake of it being an external library"
 
9:47 AM
I'm not sure it is the "basic" point.
 
mr5
@Breathing do yoga
 
here, we used something that is used very frequently, aka, date/time stuff
 
it's about what is considered client lightweight. Using js vs reduce binary
 
> Using js vs reduce binary
0.o?
 
@Wietlol that is okay if you need the specific library. If it will do something that is already available use that.
 
9:49 AM
you are always out of context, and pushing the conversation to something different, till you end up kotlin/write your own stuff
 
@Proxy but then, you can easily fall into the trap of giving each project its own libraries
and have to switch between them every time you switch projects
 
@Wietlol how? you are not including anything, just using what comes with the system.
 
but what comes with the system has its own api
and you have to switch between those apis
 
no you do not.
 
for example, Noda has a massively different API than System.DateTime
 
9:50 AM
Noda doesn't come with the system
 
you are using the thing that comes with the system. It is the same across all projects.
 
@LeeButler neither does Newtonsoft.Json... is that heresy as well now?
 
No, because that doesn't replace existing functionalty
 
If you need something better for a specific project you can add it, but everywhere else it will be standard stuff
 
in a system, that just managed to have a common stuff for datetime handling, it's a side case to download an api/lib handling datetime.
I understand Java couldn't agree on something common, and you are deluded everything uses different
but C# users agreed on DateTime
 
9:53 AM
@Proxy that is good, but should you avoid an external library until you really really REALLY need it just because it is an external library?
 
The passage of time changes between Java versions so I wouldn't trust Java to do anything properly
 
even if it makes your life 5 times easier?
 
this problem is relevant on JS field. Where "which framework is standard" changes day by day. There is really no common thing there
 
mr5
2 hours ago, by Breathing
I remember in school we used to use DD-MM-YYYY format
This chaos started from this question
 
@ntohl Java users agreed on java.util.Date, then they realized that it is stupid and silly, and made java.time.Stuff
 
9:54 AM
@Wietlol That's why Roel said Consider the tradeoff. If your life is significantly easier, and it makes no discernable impact on future maintenance, or on the end user using the application, sure.
 
so users can use that
 
I'm not suggesting that you should disregard all external libs, but they aren't fucking Pokémon.
 
@mr5 true that. Do you see, that from this question how Wietlol gradually changes the conversation to "use Kotlin/write your own stuff"?
 
@ntohl I am not!
I change the conversation to "use something that makes your life easier"
(which is, often Kotlin indeed)
 
@ntohl You forgot about the part where he (tries) to find flaws and otherwish bash C#/.Net
 
9:57 AM
I do that with everything though
and im rarely wrong
 
49 mins ago, by Wietlol
@LeeButler kotlin perhaps?
 
@ntohl that was on a side note
unrelated to the date/time stuff
 
😃 ofc...
 
you think not?
Lee asked for a specific language to use instead of JS
what do you expect me to say?
 
mr5
WE NEED MORE OF THEM FUCKING CAPSLOCK AND BOLD MESSAGES ON OUR STARRED BOARD!
 
9:59 AM
I cant just say "well, C#"
 
@Wietlol That's just it though. Kotlin is not easier for most people here. This is a room for C# developers, many of us use C# professionally, and have done for some time. We can't just change language. Some don't want to learn a new language, can't afford to, or wouldn't be supported by other developers around them.
 
mr5
star that if you agree
 
@mr5 flagged for asking for stars
 
mr5
kek
 
@LeeButler yet I almost always mention it only when someone asks for a language
 
10:01 AM
so... I wouldnt include moment, but I wouldnt display the time either
I would use a different languag ->
You're just being vague for no reason. You're not very solution orientated, you just go theory theory theory. Do you ever build shit? ->
@RoelvanUden Half of the time the theory is questionable too ->
@LeeButler kotlin perhaps?
so... I wouldnt include moment, but I wouldnt display the time either
I would use a different languag ->
You're just being vague for no reason. You're not very solution orientated, you just go theory theory theory. Do you ever build shit? ->
 
@Wietlol Incorrect. You regularly derail reasonable conversations about things, try to make them look terrible and go "ooh kotlin could do this better because (x)"
 
@ntohl and?
 
going from "time" to "use kotlin" is imminent in few hops
just let Wietlol brainfart a bit, and it will become Kotlin
 
mr5
I'M WITH WIETLOL THIS TIME
 
@LeeButler I mostly bash MS for its language design choices for that
 
mr5
10:02 AM
KOTLIN IS THE BEST OF THE BEST!!!!
 
I can sense a tiny bit of sarcasm @mr5
 
me too. I'm convinced
 
@Wietlol But yet I've never seen you bring up a valid issue which is generally considered a "bad language design choice" by anyone except you.
 
> by anyone except you.
you mean by any of you?
maybe everyone outside C# chat agrees with me, you dont know
 
mr5
what does it mean "by any of you?", does it mean, that person has many of himself?
 
10:04 AM
@mr5 "you" as in... multiple
> used to refer to the person or people being spoken or written to
 
everyone outside C# might agree on DateTime should be used through different apis for different projects. You know what? We doesn't care, what others problem generation methods are...
 
If it was a valid concern by a significant enough part of the community, somebody would have flagged it up as something to look at. But that hasn't happened as far as I have seen for any of the complaints you have. And I guess you haven't proposed and changes. Because you never do, you whine about something working a particular way, and then don't propose any solution to fix it.
 
I dont propose solutions because they are obvious
and everyone else already uses them
 
If they were obvious they would have been acted on.
 
i find this considerably relatable
 
10:10 AM
@Wietlol that's not really applicable here..
 
why so?
 
comparing (I guess?) System.DateTime with rectangular wheels and NodaTime as round wheels is not a good comparison
 
In that picture, the guy is proposing a solution. You do not do that. Whether or not there is a good reason for the guys pulling the cart to reject it is not relevant
 
@Default not specifically about the DateTime though
 
Ouch.
 
10:12 AM
but yes, the comparison is basically, why avoid using the round wheel if it makes your life much easier?
 
because the round wheel has trade offs
it's been discussed
 
@LeeButler again, I either do provide a solution, or the solution is obvious and well known
 
I'll go get the wood. You guys tie him up.
 
@Default the major tradeoff for the round wheel is that everything uses the square wheel and has to be replaced...
 
anyway, it's not a good comparison with the DateTime discussion
 
10:14 AM
and the thing that provided the square wheel then becomes useless
 
sure, the round wheel is better.
What's your point really?
 
@Default why is it not a good comparison?
the second point is that the other two guys are too busy with their stuff and dont see the improvement
 
because System.DateTime has a function, which works for most of the use cases. It's not hindering your work, as a rectangular wheel would
 
Actually, the square wheel would be better on stairs.
 
@Default exactly how the two guys pulling that cart would think
 
10:15 AM
It's a good comparison in your view, because it proves your point. But it's not a very fair comparison
 
@LeeButler then use them for the stairs, but dont use them for 99% of the other cases
 
WWhat if they have round stairs :D
 
or dont use them for the stairs and invent an elevator
 
The point being, the "solution" maybe be obvious to you, but maybe if people aren't using it, maybe they aren't aware
 
@Default I suppose the not fair part comes from "this image projects the round wheel as being "better" instead of just different"
@LeeButler thats a fair point
 
10:18 AM
Alright. Then could you please explain how the rectangular wheel is a valid comparison against System.DateTime and how the round wheel compares against NodeTime?
 
Holy shit
 
Please don't.
 
He acknowledged a good idea
 
Tell us about your shrine to kotlin instead
 
actually heading out for lunch, be back in 40min or something
 
10:19 AM
@Default again not specific to the date/time part
 
Anyway, this conversation is fucking stupid and I'm out. As I said before, this is meant to be a room for people to discuss C# in a constructive manner, and many people use this when in work, like me. Stupid bullshit like this is not helpful to anybody.
 
@LeeButler don't be happy so fast. You just validated the picture Wietlol linked. The guys pulling the cart have the mindset of "if people aren't using it, maybe they aren't aware". But A LOT of people are aware of NodaTime, but not using it.
 
Hmm. Does anyone know of a good way to write the equivalent of Roslyn analyzers for complex Json schemas? There's the basic Json schema validation, but that only gives me basic syntax checking.
Are we still doing the Nodatime thing?
 
not specifically
 
I found that json schema validation is not that common as xsd validation don't know why...
 
10:22 AM
@ntohl I do have schema validation for these specifics schemas (Azure ARM scripts) but I want to be able to do more with them.
Because the turn-around time for script errors is way too long when you're doing tests of deploying to the cloud.
 
@ntohl I validated it as a valid scenario. Not the one that he was in, but it is a valid scenario. The people pulling the cart might have had a load of people suggest a round wheel, but still not want to use it. In the date instance, people may be aware of nodatime (I wasn't), but not want to use it because the practical benefits are lacking. It's not a great comparison as the picture would instead be a circular wheel on the cart and a different circular wheel being proposed.
 
ohh. You want to move the validation to client side? I don't yet see the "how" of application of validation.
@LeeButler we agree
 
@ntohl As to why json validation isn't as common as XML, I'll chalk that up to cultures. XML came from enterprise development cultures, static data entities and complex payloads. JSON came from JS and a more dynamic mindset.
 
mr5
10:28 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan nothing
 
@Wietlol if it makes some things that are easier then you should use it. There is always a trade off, but for simple tasks like displaying time do you really need an external dependency?
again "easier" depends on what are you doing.
 
I wouldnt say "displaying time" is comparable to the frequency of using date/time stuff, but yes, you dont need to include something else for it
would I still include it? probably
simply to keep every project consistent
when creating a project, we include some stuff that we are most likely to include anyway
for example, MoreLinq, Newtonsoft.Json and Noda Time
and... our own util library with fancy stuff
 
well that is a completely different scenario that you are talking about, since that seems to be your programming stack
but then again, why would you include noda time in something that is not using it at all?
 
because we will most likely use it
none of our projects do nothing with date/time
(none as in... probably none)
there will probably be one somewhere that doesnt use it
 
10:54 AM
hm
 
11:07 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Json Schema Validation should have everything you need?
newtonsoft.com/jsonschema this would work like a charm
 
include it even though not using it.. is that some java paradigm I'm missing?
 

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