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6:01 PM
room is quiet today
 
anyone familiar with DevExpress
Hey Guys (AftertheFact)
room gets even quieter when a lady walks in
 
hahahaha
 
I'm a tomboy, maybe its different lol
 
@Pinky why you think so?
 
@Steve Nah, you're just hallucinating
 
6:06 PM
@Harish I know so
 
@KendallFrey :o
 
DevExpress + MVC = good or bad idea
 
Hate devexpress
 
i used TPL to stop async/await from spreading throughout the entire app, bad?
 
Horrible shite
 
6:07 PM
e.g. with manual contiuations
@LewsTherin hey! Ihaven't seen you in a while
 
@Pinky - I would avoid it. Why did you want to use DevExpress?
 
@LewsTherin I hear ya pal, what are better alternatives to DevEx
 
@Steve well, you need to find the appropriate level for where you need to stop awaiting
 
@Steve Hi. Yeah I've been trying to make new changes and going out. New Years resolution and all that crap. What's good man?\
 
@TravisJ Manager thinks its the latest n greatest
 
6:09 PM
@Pinky TravisJ is right
 
@KendallFrey well, on the highest level that i need to stop awaiting, i'm using manual continuations, instead of await
 
@Steve manual continuations are like building a car from scratch. it may be fun, but it's a solved problem
 
because this puppy implements an interface which is used in ... well all over the place, so if i update the method to be async task, then i'd have to update the interface, and everything that implements the interface
 
@Pinky - In my opinion it is an expensive and time consuming solution for something which can be solved either for free using Angular templates or through simple custom work depending on the project size.
 
@Harish whats better than DevEx?
 
6:10 PM
@Pinky - How large is the project? Are you the only developer?
 
@TravisJ Very Large Project, 5 Developers
 
@Steve You should provide an async version
 
so thats why on the top level i'm doing manual continuations, i think it's a valid use case, but wanted other opinions as well
 
e.g. MyMethodAsync
 
@Pinky "very large project" "5 developers" uhhhh
 
6:11 PM
@Pinky depends on your need.
 
@Pinky - Did you consider using Angular?
 
@KendallFrey oh thats a good idea
 
@TravisJ I dont think Angular would be able to handle things like DevExpress's Pivot Grid
Are there examples of how desktop apps being ported to the web using Angular for UI functionality?
 
Angular is web only
 
@TravisJ you could use angular for a W8.1 app couldn't you?
 
6:14 PM
yeh I get that, I just dont think Angular can do some UI intensive stuff, that frameworks like DevExpress can
 
@LewsTherin good! Me too! trying to make some positive changes in my life, we'll see how it all works out
 
@Pinky - It definitely can. Further, don't you think modern design should abandon making everything look like an excel spreadsheet?
 
@Pheonixblade9 Large in the sense that it would take alot of effort to replicate DevExpress UI functionality with Angular
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Yeah you could
 
@Steve Good to hear :) Hopefully works out well. It's such a pain leaving my comfort zone though :(
 
6:15 PM
yeah it really is
 
you can't leave your comfort zone, you can simply expand it.
 
@Steve Yeah lulz
 
@TravisJ yeh but clients are used to that and aren't really willing to change
 
where the fuck did that come from, I'm not a philosopher
 
If data is needed to fufill a users request and it doesnt exist what is the better way to handle it? Return a hard coded value, or do an insert into the table and then return the newly inserted data?
 
6:16 PM
Are there any Accounting applications built with Angular for the frontend?
 
@KendallFrey Impressive
 
right < left >
 
List < T >
 
List< Mothers > mothers = getMothers();
var mom = mothers.FirstOrDefault(x => x.Child.Name == "Kendall");
if(mom != null) mom.fuck();
 
@Steve something something
 
6:24 PM
lmao i know
 
@Pinky - Do you have a legacy application already implemented?
 
@Steve too bad, I'm not an only child
 
darn
 
also, why the fuck do you have a list of motherses
 
x.Child.Any(y => y.Name == "Kendall")
 
6:25 PM
how do you hide the right pane in adobe again?
 
@KendallFrey lol
 
@Steve x.Children
 
w/e
you get it
 
motherses lulz
 
children.FirstOrDefault(c => c.Name == "Steve")?.Mother?.Impregnate();
 
6:26 PM
Wow
 
@Pinky - There are accounting applications, among many others. Here is a large list builtwith.angularjs.org
 
what does ?. do?
null check?
 
i dont want to read the C# manual, i'd rather learn things that are applicable across languages :p
 
6:27 PM
1 is a positive number
 
you do know that I have NEVER read a C# book before, or the manual
i know it all from you guys
 
@Steve MSDN is the manual
 
no, thats like a drunk helper
 
if you've never read MSDN before, go stick a fork in your ***
 
the actual manual that you can dl and go through
 
6:28 PM
> Piracy of copyright material on the Internet is an ongoing problem across all media.
Pirate for life
 
@Steve you mean the spec?
 
yeah probably, idk what i mean anymore
 
not to be confused with the term for your dick
:D
 
boooooo
thank god i didn't tell the lame joke this time
:p
 
So does anyone use XAML outside of .NET?
 
6:30 PM
@Steve wanna cook up some r candy with me
 
@KendallFrey whats r candy
 
I wanna try it some time
@Steve you get 3 guesses
 
rock candy?
 
Also, you should totally check out this badass: youtube.com/channel/UC1zZE_kJ8rQHgLTVfobLi_g
@Nathvi close
 
rock? crack?
meth
ice
crystal
 
i've been on a breaking bad binge for 3 days now
 
@ton.yeung Well I meant in general. Just wondering if XAML is used with any unrelated .NET products
 
who wouldn't want to make rocket fuel at home
 
lol...
 
@ton.yeung Yeah hilarious. What a blasphemy
Hope they lose and have their rights stripped
Considering how much they frakked up the prologue I consider blasphemy an understatement lulz
I think the series might be best made as an anime.
Or done LoTR manner
I agree. Anime would be better suited
Or just good aul imagination
Currently in the middle of TGH. When he is asking Thom about the Karaethon Cycle
 
6:45 PM
TaskContinuationOptions.OnlyOnFaulted
I can't catch exceptions from the async method and I have to use this continuation as well?
@KendallFrey
 
@Steve y u no handle them inside the task
 
can't not have default ctor in struct?
 
@KendallFrey wish i had a good answer. so many tasks, so much confusion
 
@NETscape correct
 
You need to init struct contents
Compiler error otherwise
 
6:52 PM
@LewsTherin nope
 
> Do not provide a default constructor for a structure.
 
@KendallFrey You sure
 
meaning, don't "override" one per say?
@LewsTherin Size size = new Size();
> Some compilers, such as the C# compiler, do not allow structures to have default constructors.
 
@NETscape ?
 
structs always have a default constructor that initializes everything to zero. this cannot be changed.
 
6:54 PM
Size sets default height/width?
 
@KendallFrey I'm pretty sure I've had compiler errors
 
ahh i gotcha
 
@LewsTherin I've had many in my day, what's your point?
 
@KendallFrey Context and then you know my point.
And if you don't get the point still. Tough
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Q: Compiler gives error when struct is not initialized and if we try to access the property but not with variable

PunitI have one observation about struct. When I declare a property in Struct and if I don't initialize the Struct then it gives me the below error - "Use of unassigned local variable empStruct" PSeduo Code- struct EmpStruct { private int firstNumber; public int FirstNumber { get...

 
Something has gone terribly wrong with this Ajax.
 
6:57 PM
@Greg The internet probably went on vacation!
 
@LewsTherin tough then i guess
 
Man I'm terrible at SQL queries. :(
Trying to play with data.stackexchange.com
My brain hurts.
 
@KendallFrey I guess you'll never ditch the smart alec streak -_- sigh
 
:)
You never need to manually initialize struct members
 
I will spin up VS now
Agh renew license again
 
7:00 PM
@LewsTherin I wish, I wish.
@LewsTherin I'm sure it is something with my code.
 
haha, got 10 minutes notice to prepare a demo and nothing blew up! Yay!
 
@KendallFrey Ha ha OK you are right. If I do come across it again I will ping you :)
@Greg That's the fun part I guess. Figuring out what
@KendallFrey Or is it C++ I'm thinking of?
 
I wish I could read your mind
 
Oh you wouldn't
Or maybe you would
Depends on how perverted you are :)
 
some days I wonder
 
7:06 PM
Nope not C++ either.
@KendallFrey Most days I know
@Greg Do you still Win phone?
Will never get them again
Horrible apps :(
 
@LewsTherin Why?
 
Apps are so clunky
 
@LewsTherin No, I don't. I switched carriers, so I had to buy a new phone.
@LewsTherin The handful of applications I used were stellar, but I only use a handful.
The Operating System I feel is better than competitors.
 
The OS is good. Love that it is minimalistic. The apps on the other hand. Especially the browsers.
Too many features but doesn't do browsing well
So what phone do you use now?
 
I've got a Nexus 6, which I'm selling.
@LewsTherin The Spartan Browser looks promising.
 
7:12 PM
I dunno. Seems to be IE rebadge.
Will give it a shot just for the name :)
I can't wait for Win 10 though
 
@LewsTherin It is supposed to abandon a lot of IE, become more open / standardized with today's web standards.
 
Mmn so now web devs have to deal with both IE and Spartan .. great!
 
yeah I downloaded IE11 and right out of the box F12 did not work at all. So hopefully they fix that.
"IE11 is better!"
 
@LewsTherin Oh man, I love Windows Phone. However, I also hate it. Developing for it in C# is absolute bliss, but developing for it with PhoneGap is agonizing. Overall, I would probably grab a Windows Phone again when it is time to replace.
 
@RoelvanUden Windows Phone is the best mobile platform
unfortunately the ecosystem sucks
ecosystem meaning app support
 
7:16 PM
@Pheonixblade9 Yeah exactly
 
Agreed, it is the absolute best. The apps suck because WebView sucks c***.
 
@SpencerRuport - Btw, I should have never answered your meta post.
 
"used to waiting 6mo for Android to get the iOS app? Try waiting 3 years!"
 
@SpencerRuport - I think my answer is accurate, but the amount of debate it came with was excessive lol
 
I was waiting for Ubuntu
Read reviews from the Europe release, meh
 
7:25 PM
Suck it, free market
 
yeah, we should just be all lazy fair
;)
 
What surprises me is the number of people who think they can pretend to know what SE is thinking.
That kind of zealotry is ridiculous.
 
@SpencerRuport - To me, from the blog post by Jeff, it seems pretty obvious they intend the license to be public domain, but with attribution required if you are going to place copied material back into public domain.
That is also the way that the technical writing of the license reads, as well as the current laws regarding copyright and creative commons.
 
@TravisJ - That's my impression to but 1) Atwood used to voice a lot of opinions and not all of them lined up with SE's vision so I want them to reiterate 2) If that's still their intent a decent sized legal team says that's not how the site's terms are set up
 
Is it just me, or does it seem like calling javascript from an asp.net code behind page is clunky
 
7:32 PM
@Justin - It is clunky.
But it happens a lot in Forms.
 
yeah, I am working with forms
 
@Justin - There's a lot of situations in forms where it can't really be avoided.
@TravisJ - You're pretty good with SQL right?
 
@SpencerRuport - Not really. I mean, I know it and can create it but not quickly. I use a SQLProvider to make the queries. pb is good with manual SQL.
 
@TravisJ - Well tell me if you can understand this
I feel like the first row in both those queries should give the same value for VotedAsDuplicateCount
One uses a subquery, the other uses a JOIN / GROUP BY
 
@SpencerRuport - This one limits the results? LEFT JOIN Votes v ON p.Id = v.PostId AND v.VoteTypeId = 3
 
7:39 PM
I still think its a pointless debate, I don't think either side could hold up in court
unless you posted the source of jquery as an answer
 
@CharlieBrown - At which point that would be a DMCA request
 
@TravisJ - It's LEFT JOIN PendingFlags pf ON p.Id = pf.PostId AND (pf.CloseReasonTypeId = 3 OR pf.CloseReasonTypeId = 101)
 
@CharlieBrown - There is no way using code from an answer would be found to be damaging in court.
 
vs ,(SELECT COUNT(*) FROM PendingFlags pf WHERE p.Id = pf.PostId AND (pf.CloseReasonTypeId = 3 OR pf.CloseReasonTypeId = 101)) AS VotedAsDuplicateCount
 
@SpencerRuport - I copied verbatim
 
7:41 PM
I know. You're looking at the wrong join.
PendingFlags. Not Votes.
 
@TravisJ i agree, so no point in the argument. like arguing over what color of blue the sky really is
 
@SpencerRuport - Oh, I see
 
Hm, if you do a Process.GetProcesses(), you should dispose of each instance, right?
 
@TravisJ - Ah I think I figured it out.
You're a good rubber duckie
 
sometimes, you gotta just love what js allows you to do
json doesnt have a property you need? np, just add it whenever you need it, lol
 
7:46 PM
@TravisJ - The dual joins was throwing off the numbers. Needed COUNT(DISTINCT pf.Id)
 
@SpencerRuport - Nice
@CharlieBrown - Yes, js is a double sided blade.
 
preference in js: collapse function body or expand with spacing?
function(){
   // this is my function
   var k = _.map(magicdonkeys);
}

function(){

   // this is my function
   var k = _.map(magicdonkeys);

}
 
eww, strongly dislike #2
 
@CharlieBrown Collapse as much as you can
 
I typically collapse as well, but occasionally it gets messy
function applyChanges() {
    patientAppHousingService
        .assign(vm.selectedSearchResult.PatientId, vm.selectedSearchResult.HousingId)
        .then(function(data) {
            // mark the object as no longer transient since its now committed to db
            vm.selectedSearchResult.IsTransient = false;
            // stop tracking
            vm.selectedSearchResult = null;
        }, function(err) {
            // error msg
        });
}
 
7:52 PM
@SpencerRuport, ahh yes, the rubber duckie method
 
@CharlieBrown - looks fine to me
@CharlieBrown - No burn this week =/
 
in a Master/Slave device configuration, should Master know anything more than the data being transmitted?
 
Someone just said this to me "I don't really understand what you mean by reproducing the issue" :(
 
@TravisJ Hahahaha!
so unfortunate
 
8:06 PM
@Pinky :) Are you moving forward with DevExpress?
 
@TravisJ most likely will have to, since I cant make a compelling argument to my manager to switch to Angular
Coworker recommended Telerik tho
 
Why type of accounting is this going to be for?
 
gov agency spending accounting
think lots and lots of pivot grids
 
Well, if you are stuck on pivot grids, one nice thing about telerik is the single click export to excel or pdf from the page.
 
yeh DevEx has a similar functionality
is the consensus Telerik > DevEx
 
8:16 PM
    @rlemon since you've done master/slave I'll ask you.  Should master know about the messages its sending/receiving?  As in, should master handle the messages after its received:
    //Inside Master
    short[] response = ReadRegisters(address, register, numOfPoints);
    foreach(var resp in response) { device.SetRegisterValue(register, resp); }

    or should it be done outside the Master as in,

    var regs = device.GetInitRegisters();
    foreach(var reg in regs)
    {
        var vals = master.ReadRegisters(device.SlaveAddress, reg);
 
@Pinky - I like the support for Telerik over DevExpress, but both dismay me :P
 
@TravisJ language please
 
@drch - Telerik sucks.
:P
 
Good man
 
Telerik sucks, and is getting better it seems. Like Kenny's mom.
 
8:21 PM
Telerik... looks off into the distance ...
shudders
 
DevExpress isn't that great either
 
Who are the competitors to DevEx besides Telerik
 
they got bought out, only way they can go now is up, right?
 
There was something called Krypton some time ago, don't know if that exist anymore. (For winforms atleast)
 
@Pinky all of them.
 
8:26 PM
@Pinky - stoic.com
 
@ReedCopsey always recommends mindscapehq
 
@TravisJ Nice Find! Interesting how they didnt list C# as one of their skills
 
@TravisJ, what's wrong with telerik?
 
What is fully quallified reference and elliptical reference to records?
are*
 
got my project done a week early... awkward...
 
8:36 PM
in mother Russia, project do you!
 
@Nathvi - It is a massive library of spaghetti code which results in too much wasted time implementing what is basically common functionality.
 
ahh
 
@ton.yeung You could, I've got two Qi chargers with it, the quick charger, and a form fitting case.
 
anyone used stoic before?
stoic.com
 
I only came across it from an answer from a dev and linked it here for you.
It sits on AngularJS :P
 
8:51 PM
Sweet! I wanna demo it to my manager
but there are no demos on the site
wanna test it out before I recommend it
 
what is ouput?
var num = new Number(12.345);
num = num.toPrecision(10);
num = Number.POSITIVE_INFINITY + num;
console.log(num);
 
Infinity12?
Ah, when I saw toPrecision 10 I thought the tens place for some reason
Infinity12.34500000
 
For those of you with R# licenses, where your development team doesn't: do you commit R# "disable once XXX"-like comments?
 
for those interested, my question: stackoverflow.com/questions/28706098/…
 
and/or do you commit R# solution-level settings?
 
8:59 PM
@Jeremy God no
All resharper settings are local
Should not be checked in
 
@TravisJ i would have thought INF
 
@CharlieBrown - toPrecision is a formatting method and returns a string :)
 

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