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6:09 PM
Hey there. I'm new to TFS. I'm trying to migrate from VSS to TFS for the first time. Is the following true?: Collection = Repo, Team Project = SLN?
 
You're migrating from VSS to TFS?
shakes head
what year is it?
 
1995
:D
 
lol
 
I honestly see no reason to start using TFS in 2015
Even MS uses git
 
6:14 PM
TFS Supports Git
We want to use something more centralize anyway
it's a small team, just four devs
anyways, in TFS does collection = repo and team project = sln?
 
TFS is not at all for small teams
but anyway
 
@John You can make git centralized
 
Btw, does anyone do pair coding. I'm looking for someone to pair code with in C#, Ruby or Python
 
team project contains collections
team projects also contain work items, sharepoint deployments etc
i think
 
Yeah but I'm running the VSS to TFS upgrade tool, and it only prompted me to pick on team project when I'm upgrade an entire VSS repo...
Is it going to put all of the items under one team project?
 
6:17 PM
@Alex what would you do if you did do it
@John yea
 
> I wish we'd migrated to git two years ago - John, 2017
mark my words
 
@Failsafe. 1. ) Some low level AI and 2.) Building it into a data analysis tool, or 3.) Completely open to other ideas
 
Yeah, I'd like to have switched to something shiny, but the senior developer doesn't want to change things up too much
 
@Alex so like using azure machine learning?
 
so is is standard practice to through multiple SLNs under one team project?
 
6:19 PM
git isn't "shiny", it's functional
 
@John if you really wanted you could just do 1 TP and 1 collection and everything is in there
 
@John only if they're related or depend on each other
 
team projects are like uh
Name = C# Team
and collections are like
C1 = Project 1
C2 = project 2
 
@KendallFrey So wouldn't you want to generally have one SLN for one Team Project? Why does the Wizard want to throw the entire repo into one team project?
 
@Failsafe Yes or using python to build an AI engine then C# as a wrapper for UI and low level things
 
6:21 PM
each collection has seperate source control, work items
 
@Failsafe That sounds backwards in the hierarchy
 
@John was it all in one repo before?
 
@Alex by the way, the new machine learning in azure is freaking amazing
 
@KendallFrey Yeah, one VSS repo
 
@John You are correct sorry
whatever i said but backwards
 
6:22 PM
@Failsafe gotcha
 
@ton.yeung
i figured it out
underscore in url
stage.ois_connect.ctca.loca
Q5: IE won’t set a cookie when the hostname/domain contains an underscore?

A: Correct. Technically, an underscore (like this _ ) is not a DNS character, and while Windows will let you use an underscore when naming your machine, it warns you that doing so may cause problems. One such problem is that WinINET blocks attempts to set cookies on such domains. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316112/en-us
 
hahaha
classic
 
Does anyone use Git on premise?
 
yea
STASH and JIRA
 
on premise?
 
6:24 PM
on site
 
Having such a brain fart right now.
 
Yeah, you guys are saying "use Git, not TFS" but we want a local server
yeah, on site @Failsafe
 
MRW phone interviewer asks about what I mean with "full stack engineering" and I say "well it means I just use the best tool for the job" and he responds with "well that's great, our main tool we use is Flash for our website":
 
there are many options
 
@John use Tit, not GFS
 
6:24 PM
@Pheonixblade9 Runnn!!
 
you should contact representatives from whatever companies you are looking at and they can help find a best fit for you
technical reps not salesmen
 
@John GIT works perfectly fine with a local server.
your git server can be on your local PC, on a server, on Github, in bitbucket, wherever
 
@John why do you want a local server? What do you think that gives you?
 
@TomW security
 
compared to?
 
6:26 PM
bullshit, Github is 10x more secure than anything you could cook up yourself
 
@TomW It's not like localhost local, but a box in our network, not public like Github
 
@TomW somebody compromising your host
 
@Failsafe, was azure built completely from the microsoft stack?
 
plus Github is expensive if you want private
 
@Alex azure IS the stack
 
6:26 PM
@John it's like $7/mo
 
@John who said anything about Github? Git is not Github
 
azure can do everything
you can code compile test deploy and run on azure
inb4 azure hate
 
Yeah, @Pheonixblade9 $7 / month mgmt wouldn't wanna pay
 
who the fuck whinges over $7/mo?
 
@Pheonixblade9 management
 
6:27 PM
@pheonixblade9 The company I'm with
 
$7/mo is 1/10 of the cost of the time you spend wiping your ass in a month
 
@TomW: public disclosure policy requires you to keep everything local
 
I've told them about setting up a repo and forcing the huge staff of 2 other devs to check out files
 
@JackyNguyen that doesn't necessitate a server
 
@Pheonixblade9 If it was up to me, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Also, what @JackyNguyen said
 
6:28 PM
Because they write code to the live app and crash it
 
Listen, I understand your requirements, i am not going to tell you what to do
 
Its been 6 months, and they refused to get a private github acount
 
@John So they want to pay for a local server? lmao
 
You should seriously consider contacting representatives
everyone in here is biased one way or another
 
@KendallFrey it's money already spent, so no one has to OK it...
Politics...
 
6:29 PM
@ton.yeung i know that's trippy.
 
Anywho analyzing item "2137"...
 
i didn't know underscores weren't valid dns chars
 
gonna be a while
@KyleTrauberman Really?
 
@KyleTrauberman g_oogle.com wont work?
 
@KyleTrauberman I'm surprised...
 
6:30 PM
@John just pay for it yourself. $7/mo is worth the pain
 
it works fine in practice
 
@Pheonixblade9 haha.
 
@Pheonixblade9 you could write it off too
 
but ie won't send cookies to domains with underscores in them
see Q5
 
ok this is a kind of weird question, I have a side project and possibly convertible to a start-up idea. Is there any communities online there I can find developers and give more momentum on development on that?
 
6:32 PM
@Teomanshipahi Try your coworkers
if you have any trustworthy or good coders
that you work with
 
make sure the project wont be a competitor of his current employer :P
 
in terms of online communities
reddit might be a good place
 
hmm, I would not prefer to create business inside another business. It might not me ethical. Not sure about that :)
 
@JackyNguyen depends on his ToU
 
hacker news?
 
6:33 PM
@Teomanshipahi yo dawg we heard you like business
 
i see posts looking for cofounders all the time on there.
 
@Teomanshipahi It definitely is, people do it constantly
Are you in the US
 
yes I am in US
 
and are you private sector
 
I would say kind of private
 
6:35 PM
Usually, if you are private sector you would have received an acceptable use agreement or a terms of use agreement, something that says "you can not solicit or divert business to any competing business or customer"
and 90% of the time, it doesnt matter what you do as long as you do it at home
never, ever, ever do personal work on company time
ever
 
or with company resources
(cell phone, laptop, servers, accounts)
 
do all your work at home on your own gear
if you do that i highly doubt your company will care
 
Actually my side project do not have any relation currently what my company does. That's what I am afraid. What if people I convinced do those kind of stuff? I am not their manager and cannot control them. I would prefer people outside of my company.
 
they cant really do anything
@Teomanshipahi do you own your own company
?
 
OK, one more for now. How come I can do this: typeof(List<>) without an exception?
 
6:38 PM
nope, I am employee.
 
but I can't do typeof(MyCustomGeneric<>)?
 
@Teomanshipahi no i mean do you own your own company outside of work, like what you publish apps or whatnot under
 
@Teomanshipahi Depends on your contract. If it says whatever you develop while working at the company is their property then I'd be careful.
If you are a contractor then, unless explained otherwise, the products and code is yours.
 
@BrandenBoucher list<> defaults to List<T>
 
@Failsafe how?
 
6:39 PM
I do publish apps just for fun. One of them has great potential but definitely will need help to improve it. That's why I would like to find people to work on it like "over weekends" or "after work hours" Just wondering any communities around to find people like that :)
 
@Teomanshipahi For instance, I own my own little LLC so I can publish apps to the appstore and get taxable income for it
it costs about $600
to start
@BrandenBoucher idk i just made it up
 
@Teomanshipahi build something yourself that you can show off or noone else will care.
there's plenty of hacker spaces/work sharing spaces that do what you're talking about in cities
 
and hire a lawyer to iron out ownership so if the product picks up steam, your company doesn't automatically sue you.
 
@Teomanshipahi The reason I say start your own company is because then you can have people you work with sign NDA's
 
why my company will sue me? side project? that I work outside of business hours?
 
6:42 PM
or contracts
THEY WONT SUE YOU
IF YOU DONT DO IT ON THEIR TIME THEY WONT SUE YOU
 
@Teomanshipahi Depends on your contract. I have seen (and refused) contracts that said EVERYTHING I do while I am employed by that company is their property.
 
@NicolásCarlo that's absolutely not legal
 
doesn't matter what time or place or computer. make sure your contract does not have anything like that
 
@NicolásCarlo there is no such a thing on my contract.
 
@Failsafe You're right. At one point tech companies in the silicon valley tried to enforce clauses like that and it didn't stand the test of the courts.
 
6:44 PM
@Failsafe in which country? It was perfectly legal in the country that I was dealing with at the time.
 
@NicolásCarlo US
 
I never heard in US such a thing. And would be a shame.
 
Maybe I should ask it like this. Is there a way to get the type of a generic class without supplying the type for the generic?
 
Courts ruled non-competes unconstitutional
 
Hi Guys , i need you help if possible
 
6:45 PM
because otherwise a person would effectively become unemployable
 
i have one question
 
just ask
 
How can i go to the previous page when i click to the Back button ?
 
in what tech
 
And for the employees ideas, companies can't force them to turn such over if those ideas or works are different enough from the company's products
 
6:46 PM
I read a lot that i have to override OnBackkeypress, but i don't know in which file?
C#
 
@BrandenBoucher errr??? typeof(T)?
 
@Alex they don't have to win, they just need to stick you on the court and let the lawsuit fees crust you
 
It doesn't have a type until you give it one...
C# is not specific enough
 
@Failsafe @Alex So in the US, you can have side projects of your own and there's no way a company could claim ownership?
 
windows phone?
 
6:47 PM
Ah, much better
 
@tweray The lawsuit fees dont mean shit if you win, they will reimburse your lawyer fees as part of the settlement
 
actually , i used this code
 
So if you work for a manufacturing company and you build a SaaS non industry specific, a your employer can't claim your idea as their property
 
@NicolásCarlo as long as you do it on your own time
on your own gear
nothing that can link you to your company
 
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Q: How to go to previous page in windows phone 8 when back button is pressed

krrishnaI have a home page or landing page in my windows phone c# based app where user enters login details and upon successful login user is redirected to page2 . Here the user will see a list box with few items . Upon selecting an item from this list box a new page called "Threadx" opens.(where x is th...

 
6:47 PM
damn i gotta move to the US...
 
@BradleyDotNET, if I have a class MyClass<T>, how do I do typeof(MyClass<>) without providing a T?
 
@NicolásCarlo of course you can, there are many microsoft developers (Like Scott Hanselman) has side projects and can publish on Store to sell.
 
@NicolásCarlo I was so wary of those clauses I saw one that wasn't there, when I read my most recent contract
 
The grey area if you're working on something that building a bigger better mousetrap from what you gleaned working for them
 
but its only go to the main Page
 
6:48 PM
@Failsafe still, you need to hold until you win, they can simply stick you on the court for several months, and your lawyer still require cash
 
I had to apologise for sending a query that was total nonsense as it said no such thing
 
@BrandenBoucher What are you expecting to get back?
 
@tweray i highly doubt it would even get to court
 
you may be able to use GetType instead
 
@tweray there would be settlement before the case even went to trial
 
6:49 PM
@Alex US courts making a ruling that benefits employees and not corporations? That's...uncommon
 
@TomW I always look for that clause. Mainly because I've seen it. But if its illegal in the US then I guess there's not much to worry about in that regard
 
Well, at some point the FullName for the type. (e.g. MyProg.MyClass`1)
 
@AlainProfessional and what didn't work for that?
 
I have never worked with a US company
 
@TomW True but it happens
 
6:49 PM
@BraadleyDotNET its only go on the Main page
 
@TomW You realize that most states in the US frown upon non-competes and will nullify them
 
@BradleyDotNET its only go to the main page
 
to protect the employee
 
@NicolásCarlo the wording was easy to mis-read as saying that, but it didn't. Used the phrase 'in the course of employment'. But it defines 'in the course of' quite specifically elsewhere in the document
 
@AlainProfessional If the last page was the main page, then that would be expected...
 
6:50 PM
@BradleyDotNET, I guess what I don't understand is why you can do typeof(List<>) but not typeof(MyClass<>)
 
Assuming you did your navigation properly, the answer on that question is correct
 
Think of it this way. If non-competes could be enforced, we wouldn't have much in the way of good doctors
 
@Failsafe I had no reason to realise that. But again, since as far as I can tell the US gives zero fucks about employees most of the time, that surprises me
 
Because who would want to spend $400K from undergrad to MD going to the best schoolls
 
@Failsafe not really, fact is, if you point out the contract illegal before you sign, there's no funny thing at all, but as long as your signature appears on the contract, even some part of it is illegal, it will became a lawsuit and have to do debate, and then it's just all dirty lawyer work to hold you on court as long as possible
 
6:51 PM
@BradleyDotNET exemple, i have a Main page with 2 buttons , Login And register , i click on register , then in my Register view, i have go to Login page , i click on login Page. Then if now i click of Backkey , i have to go on Register Page, and not Main Page
 
@BrandenBoucher That syntax works for me
 
Just to be able to pick your employer once in your life
 
both versions
 
or go to private practice
 
6:51 PM
@BradleyDotNET i don't know if you understand
 
Non-competes would tamper with free market system too much
 
Then you probably set up your navigation wrong
so it didn't have the correct page history
 
@TomW if you think the US is bad...try doing business in Dubai
 
@ton.yeung How many things can I think of that I'd rather learn than Supply Chain Management, hm let's sOutOfMemoryException
 
@Teomanshipahi if you want a real answer (I'm not sure if you're in the US) hire a lawyer for a consult. Should cost you ~$300, he can answer your questions and tell you what is legal/not legal.
 
6:54 PM
if something in your contract is illegal than A) You were dumb enough to accept that without consulting a lawyer, and B) You would win before you went to court..
Most companies would rather settle out of court than go to court.
 
ok , i will see that thanks
 
@Failsafe during the lawsuit, they are simply going to do all kinds of things to soften you like providing a "reasonable" amount of cash for certain amount of share, plus taking care of your lawsuit cost to reach a off court settlement, and explain to you that they get 15 different ways to keep the lawsuit years long etc. after all, their goal is to ether grab control of your company, or crust you to hell
 
Like 99% of the time
 
@Failsafe Like right now Apple is getting sued for 800 million. They'll settle out of court
anyway, depends from country to country, most of the world doesn't use US law
 
@Failsafe in the US, illegal contract clauses don't hold up
 
6:56 PM
@tweray If you never used company resources to make your project the company has nog rounds for a case and would be rejected before your lawyer even knew about it
 
for example, you can't waive your right to due process of criminal charges
 
@BradleyDotNET. Murphy's law got me again. In my real life example, my class takes two generic parameters (e.g. MyClass<T1, T2>). I couldn't do typeof(MyClass<>) because the syntax is typeof(MyClass<,>). Note the comma.
 
ah, that would get you
 
@NicolásCarlo hah! Just wait for the TPP, then all the countries will use US law
 
@Pheonixblade9 Yeeah. People are quite unhappy about that.
 
6:57 PM
@Pheonixblade9 lol, my country is staying out of TPP
but we're idiots, we stay out of everything that might be good for us
 
@Failsafe the fact is that's really hard to define, and their are a lot tricks can bring you in. For example, if your own program is written in c#, and your former company used to provide you a company funded c# training or conference, then that's debatable "using company resource"
 
TPP is good for big businesses, that is it
 
@NicolásCarlo if it's anything like TTIP it is not good for you.
 
@Pheonixblade9 I am not asking for legal advice, all I am asking for what would be the best places (online or offline) to find developers (like me) to work on a start-up idea.
Seems like there is not community like that such as angellist.com
which does not match what I am looking for
 
@Failsafe not meaning it will be a legit claim after debate, as long as they can start the debate, they already won
 
6:59 PM
@Teomanshipahi Craigslist, Freelancer, Odesk, etc, but craigslist you can't trust anyone, and the latter two have 300,000 people all claiming to know everything for $5 dollars an hour
 
They appear to be basically the same idea but for different trading blocs. The crux of it is basically to oblige by treaty all signatories to conform to a facsimile of US corporate law. This means for example that foreign corporations can sue a government for refusing to open state-provided services to free-market competition.
 
@tweray That would mean the federal government owns all of everything I do because I used federal loans to get through college
 
@Teomanshipahi Meet up
 

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