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3:00 PM
@JeroldHaas I do not know enough about Go to know if that's correct ;)
 
for me
 
@KendallFrey to continue insisting pretending I didn't link it
 
i know, but I couldn't see it
I know you linked it
What I saw:
 
@KendallFrey stop ruining my lame joke
 
@SteffenWinkler black plays first in go.
 
3:02 PM
@JeroldHaas still not enough information :p (possible move length and target of the game are unknown to me)
 
there is no move length. you place stones.
 
oh, ok
 
objective of the game is territory.
 
Scratches head
if they don't move stones...why did they call it go?
 
@SteffenWinkler Ever play reversi?
 
3:03 PM
@KendallFrey uhh...I think so
 
same kind of gameplay
 
Please don't compare it to reversi.
 
It's closest thing I can think of
 
Close, yet so far off.
 
3:04 PM
that's what she said
 
It's like comparing chess and checkers
 
OK, In my MVC Application I have common actions in each controllers, is it a good way to have a base controller and put the common actions in base controller (as DRY), e.g: Get,Update,Delete,GetAll
 
The dynamic of captured stones and "assumed territory" make go much more non-linear than reversi.
 
IIRC, it only differs in 2 ways. must be surrounded on all sides, and captured stones are removed
It's much harder though
I always got my ass kicked
 
@Mohammad thats actually a good question, and i'm looking forward to hearing an answer
 
3:07 PM
@Steve: Actually I'm working on it
in web api
I wanna create a base web api controller
 
@Mohammad no, its not a good practice
 
@CharlieBrown: why? is it have performance problem
Or it's hard to implement it
 
Inevitably you will need to vary the action based on the controller, for example, employee updates may need to follow certain rules and post certain messages back that billing doesnt
 
using System.Collections should suffice to use ArrayList, right?
 
Don't use ArrayList
 
3:10 PM
@Rickyfox this isn't java, i wouldn't use arraylist
 
Employees will have different associations, so they need to be reloaded/linked. Other models may have other considerations.
 
If you have a repository pattern underneath, then it is fine to hook up your controllers like that.
Otherwise, Charlie is spot on :P
 
If your building and find that get/update/delete seem that similar, than the underlying pattern is incorrect
@RoelvanUden you should always have that as well
but you should be posting your entire object graph back and forth, it should be a subset, which is what your model is
 
@CharlieBrown: Right. but we can have a BusinessObject to do that, I mean, in controller we call the BusinessObject method of entity
 
@Steve okay, alternative?
 
3:13 PM
@Rickyfox just a List
 
@Rickyfox List<T>
 
For example, you would only post (string oldpassword, string newpassword) to the password change method
Not (Employee model)
In simple cases, you might find that you post a whole object for small things
 
Well, it isn't a common action, we should implement it Separately
But Get,GetAll,Update,Delete,Insert
these are common actions
 
I would say, when I first started mvc, i went down the same path, trying to make common actions. Then I ended up with so many overrides that it became pointless and ultimately less maintanable
 
@CharlieBrown interesting, i'll remember that
 
3:17 PM
So, You recommend to have several actions instead of?
!!!
 
The problem you will always run into is, how do you associate collections properly. Lets say Employee has multiple addresses? In your generic update, how would you handle that? You would need a switch statement like if(typeof(T) == something)
Or you you can define virtual methods, but that gets ugly quick
Simple Get methods have the same issue, you will still need to load different collections with different types (assuming you have a complex domain model)
 
well, we can get type of entity from route values?
do you mean this?
 
Lets say you have an EmployeeController with an [Get]Edit action
 
If you're getting the entity type from route values you're nearly in the same direction as making separate methods.
Best to just make them separate in the first place.
 
Employee has a property called WorkDepartment
WorkDepartment is a list of department names from the database
 
3:21 PM
I'm seeing this huge unmaintainable monolithic page of code in my head right now.
 
Employee (string)WorkDepartment
In your edit page, you want to place all departments in a dropdown, so the user can select the correct one
So, in your [GET]Edit action, you load the employee, then the departments and bind them to the page
Now, you might have another object called Company. Obviously company doesnt have a department name, so since they vary in usage, they cant share a common [GET]Edit method since you have no need to load the department names list
 
Well, They can
Assume we have a Edit action
this action get object as input parameter
My example is in WebAPI and EntityFramework
 
Then what, a giant switch statement?
 
Yeah, best to just copy-paste those actions into separate files.
 
One thing to remember about DRY, is that its not about duplication of code, its about duplication of behavior
 
3:26 PM
Again, huge unmaintainable monolithic page of code.
 
But I didnt finish my example
let me write it
 
Ill be clear, its totally doable.
 
Doable like hexagonal wheels for my car.
 
@JeroldHaas lol i like you
 
:)) No
let me write sample code
public object PutEntity(object entity)
{
MethodInfo methodInfo = TypeOfBusinessObject.GetMethods().FirstOrDefault(m => m.Name == "Update" && ((MdMethodIdAttribute)m.GetCustomAttributes(MdMethodIdAttributeType, true).First()).Id == "UpdateEntity");
return methodInfo.Invoke(BusinessObjectInstance, new[] { JsonConvert.DeserializeObject(entity.ToString(), TypeOfEntity) });
}
 
3:28 PM
@Steve I like you too
 
lets put aside the fact that is horrible, horrible way of doing something performance wise
 
Its kind of hard not to :p
 
Sure is.
 
It still doesnt allow you to vary a selection list based on type
 
So, above code PutEntity has performace problem?
yes?
 
3:29 PM
oh yeah
 
OK, so the best way is using separated actions ?
 
at that point, your pretty much circumventing everything mvc/web api was built to do for you anyway
 
Buy car, attach hovercraft adapter. Done!
 
im going out on a limb and saying that is approx ~147.895 times slower than using typed methods
 
I'm out! Weekend! Talk to you guys on monday :)
 
3:31 PM
im just going to test that right now too
 
@RaZor Enjoy!
 
Thanks @JeroldHaas
 
@CharlieBrown: Thanks
@CharlieBrown It's horrible
I mean ~147 times slower than using typed methods
@CharlieBrown How you wanna test it? Is there a tool for it or you wanna do it with c#
 
way to many syntax errors to make a decent test
Linqpad is a good tool for quick tests
 
I'm wandering how you wanna test MVC web api or MVC controller in Linqpad !
 
3:44 PM
ok does someone know how/if I can bind to the value column of a dictionary with WPF binding?
 
@SteffenWinkler of course
{Binding Value}
 
@CharlieBrown Could you test it ?
 
@KendallFrey well I just managed to do it ...but now I need a Binding inside a Binding :/
 
a... huh?
 
:D
binding looks like this: SomeColumnName.SomeDictionaryInsideThePropertyOfTheDatacontext[SomeColumnName.A‌​ctualValueInsideThePropertyOfTheDatacontext].Value
since the ActualValue can change (when the users changes the selection in the dropdownbox), I need to bind to that value
 
3:55 PM
Can you explain it in an understandable way?
 
uhm...
 
What are you binding to what?
 
<ComboBox Name="comboTemplate" SelectedValuePath="Key" DisplayMemberPath="Value" ItemsSource="{Binding SomeColumn.SomeDictionary}" SelectedValue="{Binding SomeColumn.ActualValue, Mode=TwoWay, NotifyOnTargetUpdated=True, NotifyOnSourceUpdated=True}"/>
that's the working binding of my Combobox
the type of object inside the list bound to the datacontext of the datagrid looks basically like this:
public string ActualValue{get; set;}
public BindableDictionary<string, string> {get; set;}
public string ColumnName{get; set;}
 
Your SomeThisAndThat confuses me
 
well I've multiple columns inside my datagrid (duh)
 
4:01 PM
ew datagrids. carry on
 
WPF Datagrid
how else would you display data in a grid table?
and don't say ListView or something like that. Those suck.
 
You wouldn't. I told you to carry on
 
oh ok
I hoped you had a better idea
 
I do, but carry on
 
tell me?
 
4:14 PM
Use something else
 
...
well I'm off
 
4:30 PM
Do you guys prefer LINQ method syntax or query syntax?
 
method, definitely
 
same
 
It doesn't require learning any new syntax.
 
i like grouping with query better, but method for the where or orderby
 
4:38 PM
@SteffenWinkler you should make a Readonly property on the model to access that, where you can do things like checking the collection for length and null
 
"As a rule when you write LINQ queries, we recommend that you use query syntax whenever possible and method syntax whenever necessary. There is no semantic or performance difference between the two different forms. Query expressions are often more readable than equivalent expressions written in method syntax."
 
method syntax for sure, I don't think I could write a query
readable is pretty subjective imo
 
Where(carrot => carrot.Fresh) is easier to read then a query version
 
where carrot.Fresh really?
For the same reason(ish), I don't like if (foo) bar();
Having two ways to do one thing just is confusing
 
But SelectMany(garden => garden.Rows.SelectMany(row => row.Carrots)) gets a bit weird
 
4:41 PM
what does that look like in query mode?
 
@KendallFrey what? I prefer fresh carrots
select garden in Gardens
select row in garden.Rows
select row.carrots
 
@CharlieBrown SelectMany is repeating the select keyword?
This answer says it's repeating from stackoverflow.com/a/6414833/251011
 
it should be from (grr)
 
from from select?
 
selectmany just flattens it out into one big chunko
from garden in Gardens
from row in gardenRows
select row.Carrots
 
4:46 PM
 
Would it make sense to call a pony with a horn horny?
 
phony? phorny? porny?
 
Not really, unless the horn was between its legs
 
should I code or shoul I void?
 
5:04 PM
LINQ2Beer now!
 
5:14 PM
Does anyone else hate the new XElement(ns + "element", ...) (i.e. namespace plus something) syntax?
 
Hello guys
 
5:32 PM
is it pirate stuff?
 
I don't know about
 
Hello guys, I've ran into a problem. (I am not very experienced programmer). Basically I want to decorate an object , but one of the methods coming from the base class is with protected access modifier and is abstract (hence needs implementation). Anybody have any good ideas apart from changing the access modifier?
 
@KreversonJulho I don't know either but giving away stuff that is meant to be bought is fishy
 
@Tohmas What do you mean by decorate?
 
5:51 PM
@Tohmas When you say "decorate" do you mean add additional properties & methods?
 
@JohanLarsson I agree, but there are people that might be capable to help other, I don't if it is the case this web site rsrs
@JohanLarsson It's better not rely
 
6:04 PM
So I'm running a suite of tests. When running them both in visual studio and a custom launcher they bloat (starting at .5gb in VS ending at 4.5GB, starting at 100MB in custom ending at 1.1GB). We are using NHibernate as our ORM, and I'm having it clear the level 1 cache every so often, that changed nothing. Any other ideas on what this could be?
extra note, the application itself while running doesn't bloat.
 
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
Is there any reason why the BitmapImage doesn't show 100% of the times ?
 
@AndréSilva Yes
 
Aaaand.. what is that reason ?
 
I have no idea
You'll need to give more details
 
6:17 PM
Kendall, did you take down csharpramblings.blogspot.com/2012/12/when-is-bool-not-bool.html‎ ?
 
                HttpWebResponse responseCaptcha;

                if (!Response_Captcha(out responseCaptcha)) return;
                if (responseCaptcha == null) return;

                var img = new BitmapImage();
                img.BeginInit();

                img.StreamSource = responseCaptcha.GetResponseStream();
                img.EndInit();

                Captcha = img.Clone();

                //Captcha = new BitmapImage();// Image.FromStream(responseCaptcha.GetResponseStream());
 
@kush nope
it's still there
 
ah end of line stuff sorry
I had some random carp at the end of the line like %yadayada
and Google Chrome hides it
%E2%80%8E to be exact
 
I hate it when code silently fails
> I have this great idea! Instead of compiler errors, we'll simply cause it to fail at runtime!
> Awesome, but why not make it fail at all? Just leave the data in an invalid state!
> EPIC!
 
ok ..
 
6:22 PM
Carp is terrible fish.
 
@JeroldHaas yeah, it tastes like carp.
 
@Pheonixblade9 Complete carp.
 
Ima go take a carp
 
@KendallFrey stop stealing
 
well this conversation has become quite carpy
 
6:27 PM
I won't stand for that bull-carp.
 
That's a shirt?
 
yes
I was thinking about buying it for my mom
 
My mom recently started giving me less lunch. Not sure if making me diet or just stingy, but I lost 5 pounds.
 
...we have a strange family
 
6:29 PM
@KendallFrey giving you less lunch?
 
Yeah, I work from home, and my mom makes lunch for me.
 
Free rent, and free room service.
 
Yesterday it was french toast mmmyiss
@JeroldHaas rent ain't free anymore :(
 
You likely still get a heavy discount.
 
still get room service
and utilities
 
6:32 PM
Free electricity is nice if you have an Alienware
 
custom rigs have and always will be where it's at
 
I'm about to get a private office here, which will kick ass.
I might get into twitch and youtube then
 
Set up your own executive wing?
 
Is gaming something that C# developers don't do as much, or do JS developers talk about it more?
 
Cwafflers game, they don't talk about gaming.
 
6:35 PM
Well they should
 
@KendallFrey I only play single player games these days.
 
Same
So?
 
I tried playing WoW again a couple months back... it just wasn't fun at all. The mystery was gone
 
Kidding, though. Perhaps Cwafflers just have more jobs.
 
6:37 PM
WoW became terrible the moment Blizzard sold
Activision is terrible
 
it's just a huge grind. the quests aren't even trying to be fun any more
 
no, and they aren't trying to come up with any ghost of a creative story
they are rehashing things marketing thinks will be cool
 
yeah.
 
What happened to Activision? They weren't so bad in the C64 times.
 
pandas was put in warcraft 3 as a joke
just saying
they made a lot of money, and the people that brought the company to where it was left, just like Blizzard
 
6:40 PM
I probably disliked it because I got the rez scroll and got my druid auto-levelled to 80. It's not fun playing a character you don't know how to play lol
 
true that
I did recruit a friend and did a lot of the same thing
 
it's kinda sad, they made it so there's one single "correct" way to play
I played back in the day where everyone was like "nah dude BM hunter r teh best" and I was like "lol no, my MM hunter kicks your butt"
 
back when world pvp existed and was fun
 
Here's your cane, "back in the day..."
 
hehe
I didn't like full PvP servers... it was all trolling, no honor
 
6:42 PM
ha ha ha well let me introduce myself, the guy that made you not like PvP servers
lol
 
I played Ultima Online back in the day. I had a house on Fire Island in the Felucca shard. It was funny, the property was cheap, it was like living in the ghetto. My neighbor was a murderer. Sometimes we'd wave at each other. Sometimes he'd kill me and steal my stuff... sigh good times.
but killing people had consequences in that game. Do it enough and you were labelled a murderer. People could call the town guards on you and zap you.
 
Zap you? Sounds technical.
 
@JeroldHaas they'd teleport in on a lightning bolt and insta-kill you
 
That is technical.
 
it was an awesome game. I wish they'd come out with a UO 2
just stuff like player-run vendors and player-owned houses filling up the world is such a cool idea
but EA bought Origin Systems and killed it all
 
6:45 PM
Hello..All
 
it was basically the first MMORPG
> Ultima Online initial features included persistent player housing, skill-based character progression (without levels or classes),[8] a crafting and player-driven economy,[9] and unrestricted player-versus-player combat.[10]
so basically all the stuff people say "OMG THAT WOULD BE AMAZING" in all MMORPGs these days.
 
everything except the housing is in EVE
 
yeah but this didn't have a learning curve like EVE
 
true, that is the biggest problem with eve. Also EVE isn't an rpg
it's space piracy/capitalism
 
 
6:53 PM
@kush well played
 
:)
 
7:13 PM
@RyanTernier So if a site exists, and I create something similar to this: (will it modify the bindings or actually treat it like an add)?
                using (ServerManager manager = new ServerManager())
                {
                    Site configureSite = manager.Sites.Add(webAddress, Path.Combine(root, webAddress), 80);

                    manager.ApplicationDefaults.ApplicationPoolName = webAddress + @"Pool";
                    configureSite.TraceFailedRequestsLogging.Enabled = true;
                    configureSite.TraceFailedRequestsLogging.Directory = log;
                    configureSite.Bindings.Clear();
                    configureSite.Bindings.Add(@"*:80:" + webAddress + "." + domain, @"http");
 
hiyall
 
Hello, you know what is comical.
 
?
comic san?
 
Someone posted this picture of a solider that says, "We get paid less than minimum wage and you're demanding fifteen bucks an hour to slap burgers on a bun?" So to educate this ignorant individual, I elaborated a very detailed pay structure since it is all publicly available.
I outlined how though they make eighteen thousand at the lowest rank, which they are only in for a brief amount of time because it is based on time served, also that they receive several allowances such as Base Housing Allowance.
 
sort of accurate
bha is only given if you have family
 
7:28 PM
I would love to comment on that, but the NSA is watching and can make shit up about my opinion :)
 
In the area she lives I pointed out how a solider who makes eighteen thousand dollars actually makes upwards to thirty seven or forty four thousand depending on dependents. So they don't actually make less then minimum wage.
 
@Greg not to mention living expenses are significantly reduced if you're a soldier... especially in the field
 
the lowest pay would be rank of private, not married, lives in barracks, has meal card
 
Anyways, I did all the math cited the public pay charts and the base housing allowance and all these extra benefits.
 
pay has nothing to do with how valuable you are in the society tho.
 
7:29 PM
Rather then change her opinion, she deleted my comment. Knowing that she is still wrong, ignorant America.
 
e.g. a Kobe gets paid millions and fire fighters get paid ..what they get paid.
 
its never going to be a fair comparison, however
 
@Greg STOP TRYING TO CHANGE MY WORLD VIEW YOU FASCIST
 
b/c you can never answer the question, how many hours does a soldier work
 
@AmmarAhmed When a gallon of milk in that same area cost four dollars and seventy nine cents, that is more then half an hour worth of work for some of these employees. I'm sorry, but if the minimum wage can't support basic cost of living there is a problem.
 
7:31 PM
When I was stationed in California, we worked 16hr days for 9months. In my tour in north carolina, i worked normal 8 hour days, + 1 weekend each month
 
@Greg Greater economics are at play, here, too. The dollar is at the cusp of hyper-inflating.
 
That is all I was trying to indicate, you can't compare a solider to a fast food worker. However both should be able to sustain and support themselves, but that is becoming harder due to the cost of living.
 
@Greg She's a moderator? Where did you post it?
 
@RobertHarvey On her Facebook Page.
 
@RobertHarvey I'm guessing this was Facebook.
 
7:31 PM
@Greg iw ill def agree to that
 
@Greg I am not stating an opinion againts or with the $15 an hour at all. My problem is saying X deserves more because it is more valuable. People get paid by how much a company is willing to pay them to get those talents.
 
Oh. Yeah, that's pretty unsportsmanlike, but it is her page.
 
@Greg low paid workers are just government subsidized positions. Because they have to get assistance rather than being paid a living wage, it amounts to a tax break on the part of the business.
 
Unfortunately she would rather her ignorant remark and point the finger then solve a real problem, sigh.
 
we have a $15/hr minimum wage in a small town here in WA... seems to be working out
we also elected a hardcore socialist to city council, which is amusing
 
7:33 PM
15 seems high for where I live, I would support 10/hr
 
Kshama Sawant is a Seattle City Council member-elect. A former software engineer from India, Sawant became a socialist activist and part-time economics professor in Seattle after emigrating to the United States. She held part-time teaching positions at Seattle Central Community College and Seattle University and was a visiting assistant professor at Washington and Lee University. Sawant ran unsuccessfully for the Washington State House of Representatives before winning a seat on the Seattle City Council, making her the first socialist to win a city-wide election in Seattle since the radic...
 
A better way to say it is ask her "if being an NBA player can make you millions, how come not everyone is an NBA player?"
 
When I was an A1C in the 80's, I made $400 per month. But that was after taxes and all expenses were covered. If financial solvency is measured by how much you have left at the end of the month, it was many years before I achieved the same level of solvency.
 
@CharlieBrown do you have any idea how high the cost of living is in Seattle? A 400sqft studio apartment starts at around $1000 around here in a lot of areas
 
again, thats why i said "where i live"
 
7:34 PM
@AmmarAhmed Think of it this way, it happened during the Industrial Revolution. If worker (A) feels they are worth a particular wage; the other workers support worker (A). Then no one is doing worker (A)'s work, they either need to pay more or find others willing to do this work. The work still has to get done.
 
Imagine just getting out of high school, and having $1000 per month (in today's dollars) all to yourself.
 
@Greg Yes.. but sadly there are enough people willing to work for that.
 
@AmmarAhmed You would be surprised by Americans.
 
sometimes our high cost of living areas cost more b/c americans require more space /person that other countries... everyone wants to live alone
 
I also think that if you raise it to 15, companies will attract more qualified people and get those people who currently hold the jobs out
 
7:36 PM
@AmmarAhmed but those people who left still need work, so where do they go?
 
America has a problem, the youth coming out of high school and college feel they are worth seventy or eighty thousand, or more. That isn't realistic.
 
@Greg Well I appreciate your cause and I am really for everyone getting a life standard they can survive in. I am just not informed enough to argue this I guess.
 
Hi all. Finally got my rep up to join the ranks.
 
@Greg I was worth 80k out of college :D
but then again, I lost my soul hisssss
 
Congratulations, @Breems
 
7:37 PM
@Breems yay!
 
I just don't think bringing in the milatiry was a false equality from the beginning and you should have told her(fb lady) about why 15/hr was a good idea
 
also the software engineer bubble is still booming
 
I am interested in what impact a standard wage would have. give every person $2k/month regardless of working status/race/anything
 
@Pheonixblade9 There are professions, but think of all the business degree people that think that though?
 
@Breems idk what but welcome :)
 
7:38 PM
@CharlieBrown Look to Switzerland, aren't they implementing that?
 
want to make billions? design software that can simulate that with any decent accuracy
 
@Greg oh totally. I believe I can bring much more than what I'm paid in value to the company. That's why they pay my what they do. Idk if every random business major can say the same. But business major isn't a good comparison, they're actually paid pretty well. Say a history or art major... they are going to have a tough time proving their value, even if they do provide a value to society
 
@CharlieBrown lol I playd games like that
 
Hey @JLott are you here? is there anything at RedEnvelope really worth getting? I have a little over 800 points now so something below $120 :D
 
Guaranteed minimum income (GMI) also called minimum income, is a system of social welfare provision that guarantees that all citizens or families have an income sufficient to live on, provided they meet certain conditions. Eligibility is typically determined by citizenship, a means test and either availability for the labour market or a willingness to perform community services. The primary goal of a guaranteed minimum income is to combat poverty. If citizenship is the only requirement, the system turns into a universal basic income. Elements A system of guaranteed minimum income can consi...
 
7:40 PM
@Pheonixblade9 But several youth have a distorted perception of cost and worth.
 
lol, the next big war might be over salary, well call it the "Fry Cook War". On one side we have presidents, ceos, and efficiancy experts who make billions, on the other side, everyone else
 
anyway I am out. KEEP ON THE GOOD FIGHT C#ers
 
@Pheonixblade9 Look up basic income :)
 
Anyone work with Internet Information System bindings?
 
@Greg that's what we get for the "everyone is special" youth society we live in.
 
7:42 PM
@Greg You are the only person that doesn't say IIS.
 
@Greg as in https?
 
@Pheonixblade9 All I know is society has severe issues ahead of it.
 
Always has, and likely will for a long time.
 
@Greg it usually does
 
oh yeah, were fucked, its gonna be awesome
 
7:42 PM
@KendallFrey Because some people don't know the acronym.
 
Really?
 
IIS has an ambiguation?
 
@Greg just remember: someday soon, we'll be the old rich people. And then we'll be the ones controlling things. They don't live forever ;)
 
@kush As in managing the servers site bindings for all the site.
 
I'd guess more people know the acronym than the full name.
 
7:43 PM
peace out friends, i have a couple interviews this afternoon, and then a date with a barstool
 
@CharlieBrown Enjoy. Good luck.
 
She sounds lovely @CharlieBrown enjoy.
 
@Greg sorry, I don't have much experience with deployment
 
she cups my ass so good
2
 
Hm.
 
7:45 PM
So, for those of you who program professionally, have many organizations moved to using the Entity Framework now for the data access layer? I'm fairly new to data-driven development and after months of using raw ADO.NET, I have found Entity Framework to be the best thing since toasted bread.
 
EF seems to be the most common data access tech used now
 
@Breems Type Providers are butter-toasted, but not Cwaffled.
 
:D
 
at least for C# ;)
If you're looking at other languages, there may be better options (like F# TypeProviders...)
 
Was pretty impressed with EF, but Type Providers are a much nicer solution.
 
7:48 PM
I'm looking at a few entry-level opportunities right now at my current company, and it looks like there's a high probability of having to leave the comfort of the .NET Framework for the land of Java. The very thought of searching for a library haunts me.
 
@Breems You may regret that journey, should you take it.
 
@Pheonixblade9 You know what is weird, I don't see a clear way to edit a site. It basically forces you to delete the entire site bindings; then recreate the site.
 
Yea, it's definitely not a sure thing. I'm finishing up my last year of college and searching for opportunities out there.
 
@Greg In IIS management?
 
Quite frankly, I can't believe anyone from my degree program (Apps Development) is hired out of the box. They teach one class in Visual Basic and another in Java, each barely scratching the surface of data-driven programming. I'm glad I took this up as a hobby early on.
 
7:52 PM
"Entry level, " meaning, "the code patterns are in-place, we just need someone to monkey in the procedural bits."
 
I could use some resume advice too. How do you guys list a programming language on your resume? I see a lot of listings that use years, such as: C# (5+ years). My years are a bit misleading since I started programming at 14.
Was thinking something like: C# (Entity Framework, LINQ, ADO.NET).
 
@Breems Others may disagree but separating your "hobbyist" years from your "professional" years might work (3 yrs professional, 7 yrs hobbyist). There's likely a more concise way to label them.
 

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