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5:00 PM
!!unsummon 7
 
ok no problem. all I did different from the tutorial they have there is set the textbox1.text and textbox2.text stuff to variables and removed the button2_click event stuff (since my paths are auto detected via reading registry key info and set to the variable).
 
@Meta is it crucial to have the progress bar? I built a quick command line application that downloads the file and saves it.
 
when I run the code and debug, all the paths and variables come back good, but it just don't download
 
But it doesn't have a progress bar or use WebClient.
 
well, it is because these files it will download are around 3+GB
 
5:02 PM
alright.
 
if they were all going to be small files i would say ditch the progress bar
was up till 3AM last night trying to figure this out, and couldn't find anything wrong and was getting no errors/exceptions till it tried to unzip the file (that never downloaded)
 
Weird. It seems to work on my machine.
 
I don't have to use WebClient to download if there is a better method, as long as it can interact with the progress bar. This is just the only tutorial I found on downloading files.
 
Try using this stripped down version. Just make a new WPF project and throw a ProgressBar in it.
 
the tutorial or the code i had posted?
 
5:08 PM
The code you posted, I stripped it down a bit.
Give that a shot and see if it at least downloads it for you, if not there must be some where permissions/network issue.
 
k, sec
i see in your stripped down one at the end you have "test.zip"
is that what it names the file after download?
also, is there no location set for where the file is downloaded to?
 
Yeah I just named the file test.zip
By default all files are saved in /bin/debug
If you right click your project in the solution explorer
and choose "Open Folder in Windows Explorer"
and go to /bin/debug or /bin/x86/debug (or something like that) you'll see it in there.
 
ok, yeah. the file downloaded
 
that's good.
 
in mine i dont set anything like "test.zip"
i have a file path
that its supposed to save to
 
5:15 PM
You should probably add a filename to that filePath.
Maybe that's the issue
 
very well could be
I believe in that tutorial they append a filename on the end of the path in the file browser button section.
 
Marshal.PtrToStructure just copies a region of memory into a structure layout, right?
 
/sigh
Redgate is so annoying.
"There's a duplicate FK defined!"
Do a search > No duplicates found.
wat?
I wish it would, you know, SHOW ME, what it's freaking out about.
 
Which means, setting a member on the structure it returns only changes values locally rather than at the location of the IntPtr passed to PtrToStructure
 
If it did I could just remove one in two seconds and we could all get on with our lives.
But nooooooo.
 
5:19 PM
Is it possible to marshal an IntPtr to a structure by ref, so I can interact with the memory like a class?
 
@JoshVarty adding the filename to the path fixed the issue, it now downloads. now I just need to make the zip stuff wait till after the file download is complete before it tries to extract.
 
That's a good start.
 
5:42 PM
@JoshVarty so now it downloads properly, i moved the unzipping to the Completed() method and it throws an exception"Cannot read that as a zip file" (using DotNetZip 1.9), but it still unzips the file properly (just with the exception pop up)
 
That's strange that you're getting an exception, though.
 
yeah,, or that it still extracts fine even tho it is giving an exception
 
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Q: Selenium C# Any alternative way of finding if element is present on browser other than IsElementPresent(By by)

Rahul LodhaI have a scenario where there are three distinct html parent elements <tr class="s3288" data-id="s3288"> <tr class="s3288" data-id="s3288"> <tr class="s1" data-id="s1"> Two these elements have a child element <a class="gylink mapvl" title="No Map Values" href="#">Map Values</a> but third...

 
Does anyone know what the OWIN garbage is for in a new ASP.NET MVC5 template?
 
6:00 PM
I closed a ticket as could not reproduce. Now I have nothing to do.
 
@Pheonixblade9 How about change your avatar?
Those auto-generated ones are signs of noobiness
 
@JoshVarty lol I am an idiot... I was getting the exception because when i moved the unzip code to the Completed() method, I forgot to remove it from the btnDownload_Click event, lol!
 
Hahaha that makes sense. I had no idea how you could get an exception with unzipping and still unzip correctly.
Glad you figured it out.
 
thanks for the help!
now i can expand on this and create a file updater :)
 
6:10 PM
@RoelvanUden - Jesus MSFT just keeps coming out with new standards don't they?
WCF, WebAPI, OWIN
 
Does Systen.Net.WebClient remains a session when passed a URI ?
 
@ton.yeung see what I find unbelievable about the books isnt the magic and story its that if ron was a wizard why was he still a ginger. totally unrealistic
yeah its called being a giner
ginger
 
gingers unite!
 
@SpencerRuport Apparently so..
 
Except for those days when Southpark says we're supposed to kick them.
 
6:18 PM
@SpencerRuport To be fair, OWIN wasn't MS - they adopted it, but didn't create it originally
 
@ton.yeung Gingers don't have souls, silly.
 
@KendallFrey actually I changed my SO email to cody.herring+so@gmail.com so that I could tell when recruiters emailed me from here.
I need to figure out how to get Gravatar to recognize Gmail subaddresses
 
user1804599
I have great news.
 
@ton.yeung You didn't know that?
 
6:22 PM
Is it only great news for you? Or will it be great news for me as well?
 
user1804599
It’s probably bad news for you.
 
That's terrible news.
What is it?
 
user1804599
@JoshVarty Let me come up with something that matches the two criteria we just determined.
 
Gingers or redheads?
 
user1804599
6:24 PM
@KendallFrey Who cares; both hot.
 
Daywalkers
Man you need to watch SouthPark, you're really missing out on this treasure trove of popular cultural references.
 
Haha
 
6:26 PM
Thought so
 
Hey everyone.
 
I think my favorite part about internships is the fact they end. I am seriously dreading working for more than 4 months at a time.
But then I have to, like, talk to people.
):
 
@ton.yeung What?
@ton.yeung You read it, then realized you didn't want to kill anymore brain cells.
@ton.yeung I need to write a Site Expiration Service, so I need to spare as many brain cells as possible.
@ton.yeung I think I'm going to learn Violin.
@ton.yeung Home Buying Certificate?
 
6:47 PM
You know it's going to be one of those days when you go to get coffee and it's empty. You fill it up. Go back in 10 minutes and it's empty. That has been my morning, on repeat. Like a damn Dr.Who episode.
 
@Ryan - lol I hate it when that happens
 
@RyanTernier Yeah, I hear you. I woke up and said Ugh, today sucks- I want to go back to bed. Then you realize, I'm an hour late.
 
jim
Russia's online. Everybody hi!
 
lol
 
7:02 PM
Any thoughts, if I have an XML File that includes:
<site>
     <siteName>SomeSIteName</siteName>
     <siteExpiration>12/30/2013</siteExpiration>
</site>
Is it reasonable to use a Dictionary Generic? To essentially fill all the contents from that file into the Dictionary List to filter through to apply functionality based on that expiration date?
 
are there many site elements in the file?
might be easier to just use LINQ to XML to filter on the fly, and pull out the siteName values you need...
 
@ReedCopsey There will be a ton, and the number will grow as customers grow.
 
is it something you're checking frequently, or just once (or rarely)?
 
@ReedCopsey Checked daily.
@ReedCopsey Plus, we have an internal office server that will check the customer base daily and send me a revised list once a day, and will request the original list from me before it compares the two.
 
yeah - I'd just do an LINQ to XML query then
unless you really want to deserialize the entire thing
 
7:11 PM
Is it possible to reduce the startup time when debugging ASP.NET MVC app?
 
If you stop the actual IIS ASP.NET application, it'll always take longer to run the first time
 
I can't change it while it is running, can I?
 
@ReedCopsey Well, the bosses system is going to basically "save" a new list every time. So he wants me to basically append a time to sites that are newly created, then acknowledge those changes to his system, and then he sends me a new list to overwrite my list.
 
sounds far too complicated ;)
 
Greg, why does he need to do this? It sounds, as Reed put it, overly complicated.
 
7:16 PM
@ReedCopsey That is what I thought.
Well, basically his goal is to simply use a Service that sends me a list of expired sites. If a Site is expired; I modify the IIS Site Bindings to load our "Your account has expired, please subscribe to reactivate your account"
My original thought was since his database will receive the information initially, transmit the list (if a site doesn't have a field, then it won't matter his transmission would fill it), then I recursively check the values and perform the task.
He didn't agree with my thought though.
 
Why not just submit the site list to a process that does that automatically to reduce the work you need to do?
make the entire process automatic. Then you can be used things worth more your skills :)
 
@RyanTernier Wouldn't the process run constantly then? Which would impact site performance, especially if his application is constantly transmitting and mine is constantly checking. Or am I mistaken?
@RyanTernier We do need a service though, our servers are located in two different parts of the country.
 
The process would run only when you want it to, you're the developer, you tell it what to do :)
 
@RyanTernier It has to run every night though.
 
There's one requirement
What else? You have a list that needs to be processed to turn sites to expired and put up a "your account has expired" page.
 
7:29 PM
@RyanTernier That is basically hit.
@RyanTernier The check occurs every night, during off peak times. Otherwise I simply need the list to be transmitted. So I can search the file for expired sites; then modify those bindings.
 
how long does it take you to modify the bindings?
because it's fairly simple to make a C# app that does it for you :P
using (ServerManager iisServerManager = new ServerManager())
{
    foreach (Site site in iisServerManager.Sites)
    {
        foreach (Binding binding in site.Bindings)
        {
            string ipAddress = "*";
            int port = binding.EndPoint.Port;
            string hostHeader = binding.Host;

            binding.BindingInformation = string.Format("{0}:{1}:{2}", ipAddress, port, hostHeader);
        }

        iisServerManager.CommitChanges();
    }
}
 
@RyanTernier That was how I was going to modify the bindings; or are you saying have the host database send me the sites that should be turned off? So I don't even need to filter it, I just basically take the List?
 
7:47 PM
I'm just thinking out loud. Whenever I see repeated manual work in an IT environment, I think of how it could be improved to be slightly automated to make life easier
 
@RyanTernier I've got to ensure the proper bindings are modified though.
 
Our Ops team spent 3 hours a day dealing with merge issues in our EMPI. I took their pains, creatd an automated service for them, which spits out reports every time it processes work. The Ops now spends 10 minutes looking at the report every day, rather than 3 hours of work. If there's an error or something failed, they fix it and raise a defect for investigation when I get the time.
Took me 3 days (24 Hours). They save ~2.5 hours a day, so in 10 days it pays for itself
Was an easy sell to my bosses.
 
@RyanTernier Yeah, I'm seeking something similar. I've just got to ensure that the XML List that is sent over, has the proper sites turn off. As it will run once a day, however... His original goal was, for me to append new sites registered; then get a new list each night from transmission- Then when he calls that service he just is invoking my service that takes the data writes it to an XML File and then does the task it needs off that file.
@RyanTernier My original thought, was write a service as a Generic Dictionary. Which will simply take the Web Site Name and Date. Then it recursively goes through the list modifying the sites. All the other stuff would stay local on his system, which would transmit the Generic Dictionary which is pretty small in size for quite a bit of users. He didn't seem to like that approach though.
@RyanTernier Am I mistaken?
 
8:03 PM
Hey all
 
may i ask algorithmic questions here related to programming ?
 
Asking a single well intentioned question is never a problem. Spam is looked down upon, just like requests for people to do other's work. So, as long as you aren't asking someone to solve an algorithm for you, bringing up an algorithm topic isn't so bad.
You might not get a response though.
 
Depends, if you want a really in depth answer you should go the main site and post your question.
 
@TravisJ - How would you select all objects which have a particular attribute but not if they are children of an object with that attribute.
 
@SpencerRuport - Depends on what I am dealing with. Are we talking linq to sql from a db or are we talking javascript objects?
 
8:13 PM
Oh javascript.
Using jQuery
 
Okay, are these DOM elements or are they just plain objects?
 
DOM elements.
 
If we were dealing with DOM elements, and for simplicity we can use the attribute as class="attribute" I would do this:
$(".children.attribute").filter(function(){
 return $(this).parent(".attribute").length == 0;
});
is it a data attribute?
 
yeah
Does Parent search all the way up the tree?
Or just the immediate parent?
 
parent is one, parents is all the way up
 
8:18 PM
gotcha.
 
$(".children[data-attr]").filter(function(){
return $(this).parent("*[data-attr]").length == 0;
});
 
Thanks. I figured I'd have to use filter but I was hoping there was some other way.
 
Is filter too slow?
 
@TravisJ turtles is all the way down
 
@Kendall - I thought that was lolrus
@SpencerRuport jsfiddle.net/7EBMH
 
user1804599
8:29 PM
Hai Kendall my BFF!
 
@TravisJ - Nah it's not too slow but I was curious if there was a quicker way.
 
@RyanTernier @ReedCopsey You both have made me question this task, back to the drawing board.
 
8:43 PM
@Spencer - If it is too slow, there must be a lot of these elements.
 
jim
so...
LINQToVodka on the air
 
Oh my good God I cannot get this Naive Bayes stuff to work.
 
jim
8:59 PM
guys, do you know if most mobile sites send only json data (and layouts are obtained with the first requests or gets built in .js files) or usually they send html along with data?
 
It depends on the site, some do it that way. Others send HTML and data.
I don't think there's a "right" way of doing it.
 
jim
There's no preferred way?
ok
one more question :) Do you think knockout is not gonna die in the closer time? Need some simple and effective client-side framework, and i like knockout but not sure for how long it'll live...
 
@jim I don't know of many frameworks that will be supported in 10 years.
 
jquery!
 
jim
In other words: is it dying now? :)
 
9:09 PM
yeah JS frameworks are everywhere.
well .. nothing dies in tech. Just fades away I guess
 
jim
jquery isnt a framework...
ok, will use knockout. It's nice
 
MEAN stack seems to be "in". So Angular.js looks good.
 
Doesn't appear the commit frequency is changing in any way for positive or negative.
 
knockout is very nice and widly used
It will last you ~5 years.
an guesstimate of course
 
4-5 years is about right, if you never touch the code again. That, however, would be a terrible idea. Mark-up standards change fairly quickly.
 
jim
9:13 PM
test
my userpic hasnt changed here for some reason :(
 
If you adhere to 'strict' rules of both HTML and JS, that will last seemingly forever. Your worries just boil down to the framework(s) you use. You could even write your own low-tech framework that will last forever as well, or depend on others to do that for you
 
jim
@RoelvanUden i just want to make client-sde as fast as possible. Knockout lets me do it this way
 
?what is the client side for? what kind of app are you building
 
Maintenance of a dynamic language is more time consuming too. Something to ponder.
 
jim
@AmmarAhmed social network
 
9:17 PM
oh yeah you need it to be fast and fun to use to the users
 
I like to make all my interfaces confusing, convoluted, and sluggish. That way my end-user base is guaranteed to be patient power-users. /sarcasm
Patient power-user, the purple squirrel.
 
@JeroldHaas haha. The longer they stay on the page the more money you make!!
how to make money on the internet:
1- Blog with stolen content
2- Ads everywhere
3- ??
4-Profit!
 
Well, yes, all my web apps are monetised with rotating ads that re-load every 1.5s
 
jim
Nope. THere was an excellent idea with onemillionpixels site. Need an idea like this... Do you think i gonna earn a billion only asking people "PLEASE WATCH THIS ADS, SHARE LINK, THANKS"?
looks simple and nice..
easy money
 
Make sure your site design has a 2000+ pixel high leaderboard
 
9:23 PM
instead of pixles, use fb profile pictures
 
Going to develop the ad rotator that moves the close button just before it's been clicked, to coerce click-throughs.
 
jim
oldschool
 
Oh, and the ads will be forced lightboxes to make it even more coerced.
 
jim
develop an ad rotator that stays active after power down
 
Quantum state ad rotator. Brilliant!
runs to patent office
 
jim
9:25 PM
:))
 
31
A: Can't use System.Windows.Forms

Kendall FreyA console application does not automatically add a reference to System.Windows.Forms.dll. Right-click your project in Solution Explorer and select Add reference... and then find System.Windows.Forms and add it.

This is my top voted answer. Look what that says about the C# programming community :(
 
haha
generic parameters tend to use T for Type all the time. What is the convention when T is already used, specifically for an out type?
MyMethod<T,out ?>()
 
@KendallFrey It means that there alot of inexperienced programmers who are choosing to start with C#.
 
@TravisJ U, obviously
Just like j is for for loops inside for loops
 
Is it really a C# issue, or more a VS issue?
 
9:33 PM
@Kendall - I see U for in params, but I see a lot of E for outs
 
@JeroldHaas Neither, a ID10T issue
 
@KendallFrey Hey now, no need to get hexadecimal in here...
 
@TravisJ If it was me, I'd put meaningful names to them, like TKey and TValue
 
@Greg sorry was out for lunch
 
@KendallFrey I have only one answer for my account... Ever.
 
9:36 PM
Get busy
 
Can't. Instant gratification of IMs and IRC supersedes any points systems.
 
@JeroldHaas yeah, screw other people deriving value from other people's donated time!
 
@Pheonixblade9 I have actively looked for questions to answer in the past.
 
@JeroldHaas yeah? you couldn't find a single thing? lol
 
@Pheonixblade9 Not in those moments I did.
Did as in looked.
 
9:43 PM
I'm actually proud because I have a greater asked:answered question ratio than @KendallFrey and @RyanTernier . but @ReedCopsey kicks my ass :P
 
asked:answered ratio?
what are they?
 
@ReedCopsey questions answered / questions asked
 
SO equivalent of K:D ratio, that's amusing.
 
what's your ratio?
Mine's 0.00244 :D
 
mine is about 12... @KendallFrey's is about 10.5... yours is 409 :)
oh, I used the reciprocal
 
9:45 PM
yeah - 410 then
 
Well, I've asked no questions on SO, so I suppose my ratio is good.
 
hehehe
 
mine's 0.078. still not bad
12 questions answered for each question asked. I'd say that's not bad :)
proud owner of Unsung Hero, too :P
that's the one badge I can claim to have that @ReedCopsey doesn't. Hahaha
 
hehehe
 
Jon Skeet doesn't have the Disciplined badge, because none of his answers have a score of -3.
 
9:47 PM
The "and at least 25% of your accepted answers need to be zero score." would make it never happen for me ;)
 
@ReedCopsey exactly. My answers are apparently correct but not good enough to upvote :P
darn Android users
I had the unpleasant experience of diving back into Java last night... trying to get an Http authentication to work... which you would think would be easy, right???
 
But I have a very large manhood. So I don't care
 
@RyanTernier that's not what your mum said!
...and that doesn't even make sense
that's what they call a "multi-layer insult" :P
 
I'm canadian, insults just roll off of my ice tan.
/flexes
 
@RyanTernier is a snow tan the kind of tan where the bottom of your chin and inside of your nostrils get tan, but the rest of your body doesn't?
 
9:52 PM
 
:)
alternatively:
...I should probably get back to work
 
I just noticed the top bar combines reputation changes from across the network. I got +10 on meta and -1 on main, and it showed +9. Odd.
 
I like that last one @Pheonixblade9
 
10:08 PM
@RyanTernier Not a problem.
 
Oh 'merica
They say a 6 year old sexually harassed a girl in his class by kissing her on the hand
the teacher should get fired
then kissed on the hand
 
@RyanTernier sounds like a problem for the Ministry of Love
 
front and back, right?
 
@RyanTernier I once bought a friend of mine a pair of underwear that on the front said "wanna fork?" and on the back said "wanna spoon?"
you'd never seen such blushing, it was hilarious
 
10:12 PM
aha good one
 
nice
 
@RyanTernier Was I mistaken?
 
@RyanTernier but that was back when I thought the friend zone was a thing :P
 
/16h grind
 
@JohanLarsson you've been working 16h?
is that 16h metric or standard?
 
10:27 PM
The kind that makes you hallucinate slightly in the end
 
Hey, has anybody ever run into an issue where an error template didn't get resized by it's parent control?
 <Window.Resources>
            <ControlTemplate x:Key="TextErrorControlTemplate" TargetType="Control">
            <StackPanel>
                <TextBlock Text="{Binding}"/>
                <Border  BorderBrush="Red" BorderThickness="1" ToolTip="{Binding [0].ErrorContent}">
                    <StackPanel Orientation="Horizontal">
                        <AdornedElementPlaceholder  x:Name="adornedElement"/>
                    </StackPanel>
                </Border>
            </StackPanel>
        </ControlTemplate>
and when theres a validation error, the control isn't resized to fit the extra stuff in the template
 
Try a grid with two rows instead of the stackpanel in the errortemplate
 
I'd rather have two columns, is there a difference?
 
@Pheonixblade9 The friend zone is a thing. It's something that was destroyed in the movies, Harry Potter, but the genius Ron. Sure, Harry beat the bad guy... but Ron got out of the Friend Zone, a feat much more difficult and dangerous.
 
<ControlTemplate x:Key="TextErrorControlTemplate" TargetType="Control">
            <Border Grid.Column="1"  BorderBrush="Red" BorderThickness="1" ToolTip="{Binding [0].ErrorContent}">
                <Grid>
                    <Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
                        <ColumnDefinition Width="*"/>
                        <ColumnDefinition Width="*"/>
                    </Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
                    <AdornedElementPlaceholder Grid.Column="0"  x:Name="adornedElement"/>
                    <TextBlock Grid.Column="1" Text="{Binding}"/>
Doesn't work. The AdornedElementPlaceholder is the same size, and placed below the TextBlockGrid
I mean after.
Setting the first Columns width to an expicit amnout makes the adorned element the same size and placed below the text block
In fact the adorned element seems to ignore all sizing information given to it by the template
 
10:41 PM
@RyanTernier yeah, but most people think they're in the friend zone when in reality a girl just doesn't want to fuck them. And they feel like they deserve it. But people aren't obligated to fuck you just because you're nice to them. Unfortunately I used to think that way. I no longer do.
 
that there is what they call the friend zone
a girl who wants/has a Posse of men, or even just one man, that "want her" but she'll never give anything back; she has created the friend zone
 
@RyanTernier yeah. that's a flaw on the girl's part and the guy's part. Girl wants one-sided emotional validation. Guy wants one-sided physical validation.
 
yup
If the guy would look behind him, he'd see 100,000,000 other women willing to date him
 
tell me about it. I was hung up on a girl for 5 years.
then I moved to Seattle and started dating and was like "HOLY SHIT THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE"
 
hahaha
 
10:43 PM
"LIKE MILLIONS OF THEM"
I still don't have a girlfriend because I'm a weird, picky asshole. But dates are easy enough to get :P
there's still a bit of growing up for me to do in that area
I didn't get the high school/college experience most people do, so I'm still sort of wobbling around in that area as a young professional
 
Certainly is a bit diffuclt to meet new people now I'm out of school
 
@ginkner yeah. and a lot more money to go out :P
 
/shrug/ I have plenty of that.
 
You probably won't believe this, but my girlfriend and I were out clubbing after my companies xmas party on Saturday. I was in a suit, french cuffs, and she was in a knock-out dress, looked amazing. We were in club 9-1-9 in Victoria, and a couple guys walk up to me and say "Hey, are you... that Robert guy that played Iron Man, HOLY HELL YOUR TONY STARK!!!" i told them "shhhh". then girls came and started screaming and we had to leave
 
@RyanTernier bahahaha I don't even care if it's true, that's hilarious
 
10:47 PM
I found out that day, if you look good in a suit, and you have a girl on your arm, you never have to pay cover charge
 
@RyanTernier that's because you look like you're going to spend a lot of money ;)+
 
damn we drank alot. about 10 drinks each at the xmas party, then we had a few shots of tequila at the club
20$ for 4 shots. what a rip off
 
@RyanTernier I actually am dating a girl right now, we might be going to Victoria for a weekend sometime soon. I just have to convince her that BC is worth visiting in winter
 
Go to whistler
 
@RyanTernier that's actually cheap compared to some bars here. $7-$8 for a shot of cheap whiskey
round of drinks for 4 people might be $50
 
10:50 PM
Why buy a shot of cheap whiskey? If you order a nice one on the rocks they will give you a whole glass full.
 
@RyanTernier I don't ski though
 
And it is the same price as a shot.
 
@TravisJ because that costs $13
and because I prefer to drink whiskey as a shot unless it's really nice whiskey/scotch
 
@Pheonixblade9 - You sure?
@Pheonixblade9 - I am fairly certain they are priced the same. The spirits list usually has per shot price and that is the price I get charged when I order on the rocks.
 
there's plenty of places downtown that charge $13 for a cocktail during happy hour
at least they only charge $3 for a miller lite, lolz
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I usually spend $20 per on scotch :( But it is worth it :D
 
@TravisJ I found I only have a taste for really expensive scotch :( like $150/bottle in the store type of scotch. Result: I don't drink scotch :D
 
Anyone seen the trailer for the new Godzilla?
 
@Greg yeah. looks interesting.
 
@Pheonixblade9 Yeah, it has potential.
 
10:55 PM
glad they used the stupid old sound effect instead of some inception BWAAAAAAM
I usually just get a dirty martini or a beer when I go to the bar these days
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Bowmore 12 year Islay . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
I would get that on the rocks. Should only be 15, probably be a full glass
 
@TravisJ full glass is the same amount as a shot, though
1.5oz
keep in mind that's a nice restaurant, too, not a club. clubs will charge more than that for drinks
 
@TravisJ that looks pretty par for the course.
$10 for Jose Cuervo is stupid, though.
 
I only drink Don Julio Anejo if I am having tequila
 

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