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4:05 PM
Huge mocha: check. Bob Dylan: check. Math text book: check.
@KendallFrey Are you still about? If so, how's your discrete math?
 
I'm here.
I don't know exactly what discrete math is, but I'm probably competent.
 
4:29 PM
I need to prove (a join c) or (b join d) is not a subset of (a xor b) join (c xor d)
 
Is this set theory?
 
Yea
 
Remind me what join is.
 
Same as in sql
 
scratches head
 
4:30 PM
it's select from a, c where a.prop == c.prop
using pseudocode, of course.
 
Is it sort of like a Zip?
two sets in, one out
 
yea
Oh, the or in the left side of the equation should be an xor. Sorry.
 
ugh. Sets.
 
Much better than JScript.
 
4:33 PM
that looks like there should be a common proof out there somewherew
 
I nearly cried this morning working with JScript, when I didn't have XHR or JSON.
 
jscript!=javascript?
 
@Billdr What case are you proving? Are you proving it false in specific cases, or the general case?
 
general case
 
@Billdr JScript:Microsoft::JavaScript:Mozilla
 
4:35 PM
For any sets A,B,C and D, (A∩C)⨁(B∩D)⊆(A⨁B)∩(C⨁D)
the the symbols that didn't come over are xors.
 
O.O
I see all the symbols.
 
@Billdr As soon as I've mined .1 BTC, I'll waste it on your game, cool? :P
 
@CCInc hah, sure.
 
They didn't do this in school for me. I have sort of worked out what they are in the eight years hence
 
I just sent the .25 you gave to me to the DotNetOauth guys.
 
4:37 PM
If a and b are identical, and c and d are identical, than (a xor b) join (c xor d) will be the empty set.
 
Now that the reward is only 25 BTC, might it be more efficient to try to mine it alone, or should I still use a pool?
 
Right?
All you need is one counterexample?
 
@CCInc about 5-10 blocks get solved a day. If you take a look at blockchain.info, you'll see that over half of them are solved by slush's pool. You'll be decreasing your odds of getting payed this century by leaving a pool.
@KendallFrey Yea, that seems like it'd work
 
OK cool
 
but we'd need to prove those same values of would not create an empty set on the other side for all conditions.
 
4:39 PM
Oh, yeah, huh.
That xor screws me up.
I think I've offered as much help as I can.
 
No problem. Thanks for taking a look
so far the math.stackexchange chat has been less helpful than you on the topic.
 
I assume you know that it's provable?
 
@Eve How did you generate that character? ̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂ͅ‌​͂͜͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋ͅ...
 
It's provably false.
 
ZALGO ̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂ͅ‌​‌​͂͜͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋̄̂͂͜ͅ͏̧̧̦̞̦͙͓͈̿̇̽̾͂̑ͥ̋͋ͅ
 
4:42 PM
I know
that
But none of the zalgo generaters work, they produce unknown char boxes
 
Eve
Went on any zalgo text generator, applied the "max" option, removed the only regular character I used with XVI32 (good luck finding it yourself manually), copy and pasted the "zalgo" blocks several times, appended a character.
 
in chat
 
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exactly
 
4:46 PM
WTF
What font are you using?
Works for me, even with Arial and sans-serif
 
Anyone know the closed form for calculating factorials?
 
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Q: Change chat font from Verdana to Arial

Kyle TraubermanVerdana doesn't allow Z̨͚͎͚̲͚̳̫̀̎͐̋̐͌͊͐͟͡ḁ̜͍̠̫̪̥̐ͣ͑ͣ͑ͫ̿̑͞l̶̶͕͈͍̉̆̋̍̅͋͐ͣ̍͝g̤̻̮͎̗͐̋̑̾ͬ̽͋͟o̜̹̜̙͕͉ͬ́͊ͤ͗̊̇ ̶̠̹̗̄̅̽͛͡T̳̤̓ͥ̀ͪ̍̕͞e͛͌̊ͪ̃͏͏̜͙̥̭̙͕̜͇x̨̱̖̘̹̩̬̮ͯ̎ͨ̓͒͘͠t̳͕̘̫̰͖̩ͯͫ̆ͨ to be used, whereas Arial does. I propose changing the default chat font from Verdana to Arial.

 
Yay +1 from me
 
5:21 PM
hello all
what is oing on with the text here. going crazy
full regex in html
 
Eve
My "regex and html in the same sentence" alarm went off. What happened?
2
 
4432
A: RegEx match open tags except XHTML self-contained tags

bobinceYou can't parse [X]HTML with regex. Because HTML can't be parsed by regex. Regex is not a tool that can be used to correctly parse HTML. As I have answered in HTML-and-regex questions here so many times before, the use of regex will not allow you to consume HTML. Regular expressions are a tool th...

THIS HAPPEND
wow it is called Zalgo text. TIL
 
Anyone a workout expert here?
 
@DemCodeLines what is the question?
 
On a treadmill, what is incline ?
 
5:32 PM
it is as if you are going up hill
 
When I go on a treadmill, it has incline on it. My friend recommended me to put it up at 2.5, but I have no clue what exactly "2.5" means.
 
could be some arbitrary number on the machine
 
so does 2.5 mean 2.5% ?
 
degrees, percent, ratio could be used for measuring incline I guess. None of them matches 2.5 I think
@DemCodeLines that would be very little, 2,5 cm in one meter
 
5:35 PM
(I'm no xpert though)
 
According to that site, 2.5 would mean 2.5%
 
that sounds reasonable
 
ok, then it probably is
 
"Maximum Heart Rate for men = 220 – age" wat
 
hello, need advice on the fastest way to learn C#... I program in PHP at the moment... I know some C# but I want to fast track my learning
 
5:38 PM
so if you reach 220 you are dead
 
Well I am 17 :D
 
@iroegbu If you are familiar with proper OO constructs in PHP, that will go a long way to helping understand C# and making it a breeze to get into.
 
@iroegbu find something fun and code 16 hours a day, in two years you will have 10k hours!
 
@AmmarAhmed generally considered unsafe to exceed that limit during exercise
 
it depends on your learning style. I just followed an example before making anything on my own
 
5:41 PM
@JohanLarsson lols... I can do that... but it's too slow and I have a job programming in PHP... @RoelvanUden yes, I'm familiar with OO constructs in PHP and also learnt some Java in school
 
@iroegbu Well then, you're set to go. You probably want to start going through GeekDinner in ASP.NET MVC3 if you're into web development and get an idea about it in ASP.NET
Everything else is mostly syntactic sugar and learning about API :P
 
@iroegbu Another way that is probably good is find someone who is decent and spend some time coding with that person
especially in the beginning
 
@RoelvanUden :) ok, my main joy is that they (both languages) are C-based... @JohanLarsson ok... I'll probably start a small project and see how it goes. Thanks a bunch :D
 
@iroegbu also lurk here is probably good, sometimes we even discuss code
 
@JohanLarsson sure thing... I'll pester y'all with my many problems :p
 
5:48 PM
good thing
 
yes... and something has been bothering me, I read some where about cross-platform .Net development using Mono... If I code using VS how much change (if any) do I have to apply to my projects to make them run on other platforms... say a mobile phone
 
I have never used mono, think someone said monodevelop is good
 
@iroegbu A mobile phone requires either Mono for Android, Mono for iOS or PCL.
Mono for Android/iOS are both commercial frameworks.
PCL is a Portable Class Library that works on Windows Phone as well (if you select it)
In theory, everything WILL work on a platform that implements all the features you use. In practice, none of the mono frameworks actually implements everything for you. You'll need to use MoMA (Mono Migration Assistant) to identify possible issues in your code for mono deployment.
That said, some platforms don't run at all under mono (i.e. WPF)
 
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Q: Everything Should Be Different

j_random_hackerI feel strongly that the current SO website would be much more effective if it was completely different than how it is now. Problems include: Closing eyes or adjusting monitor orientation causes site to disappear from view. No useful information about paint. Everything should be different. I...

 
6:14 PM
whew, thank god someone closed that.
 
6:36 PM
Hm. I need some JS help, if anyone is still around in a weekend :p
 
@RoelvanUden I likely know less than you, but shoot
 
@CCInc Hm I'm looking for a way to create a 'class' that is callable and has prototypes. For example, I want to do obj() and obj.protofunc() and both should work.
 
uhh I don't knwo what a prototype is :)
sorry
 
@RoelvanUden Add properties to a function.
 
omg it's kendall
 
6:43 PM
var x = alert;
x.log = console.log.bind(console);
x() alerts, x.log() logs.
(My bind code may be erroneous.)
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Q: What question would you have asked as an April Fool?

Jon SkeetPlease read this through before voting to close. There's method in my madness.... April 1st is rapidly approaching, and I suspect many Stack Overflow regulars will have been considering what to ask as a "prank" question. I have nothing against good humour, but I think it makes sense to concentra...

 
@KendallFrey I didn't get it at all.
 
I think I see
x = alert, so calling x() calls alert
x.log = console.log.bind(console); so calling x.log() calls console.log ?
 
Hm yeah that would work. But that's not with prototypes.
 
@CCInc Yeah.
 
But what does the .bind(console) do?
 
6:57 PM
It makes it so when you call it, it passes console as this.
 
Dang my bot is down
 
successkid.jpg
 
cc/mdn .bind
 
WTF Zirak
NOT what I wanted
 
Eve
7:00 PM
You started a bot to do a google search?
 
that deserves a redo
@Eve It can search MDN
cc/image successkid.jpg
 
cc/undo
grr
 
If anyone here develops Win 8 apps, do you know if there is a way of searching snapped metro apps or do you have to make them full screen?
 
cc/image 2 successkid
 
7:03 PM
 
aww
dang bot
 
Shrug
I hate 'classes' in JS :/
 
The problem is with funkyjunk.com
There images don't work
Anyone here have a good taste for music (piano)?
 
And their lawyer is an a-hole...
 
@James LOL how?
 
7:10 PM
Type in Charles Carreon, they'll be loads of stories about how he tried to sue The Oatmeal.
The whole debacle is quite funny actually.
 
People:
If I made a MSDN feature on bot, would you use it and not abuse it?
 
Hi guys, I'd like to warm up a discussion about this question:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13994202/how-to-get-the-wcf-4-0-restful-response-bandwidth-consumed

Any help will be really appreciated.
 
7:33 PM
I am trying to use bootstrap instead of reguler MVC template. Any advice on how to switch between the 2 fast?
 
7:57 PM
Evenin' folks
 
8:08 PM
@KendallFrey So that is kindda like a delegate?
 
I have two bugs to fix at work that both have the very exact steps to reproduce up to when the bug happens, they both talk about mutually exclusive undesirable effects, and QA marked both with a 100% repro rate. Can someone explain that to me?
 
8:36 PM
@zneak I have something for you.
I'd love to know which one gets marked as no-repro.
 
9:14 PM
@RoelvanUden @JohanLarsson Thanks for the initial support... You may not understand how much you've helped me!
 
Eve
Am I the only one who's under the impression that for WinRT they just took all legacy code, renamed it -- And even changed the terminology for some things -- and published it?
 
Eve
I mean, it's not necessarily a bad thing, I suppose they wanted to target Windows Runtime development to people who are new to programming or to CLR in general.
 
What do you think guys ^^
 
Eve
I think there's not enough food in that plate.
 
9:18 PM
@eve I know, but my gf had the other piece of chicken :( didnt realise she was staying for dinner :(
 
@Eve CLR? WinRT != CLR
 
^ sad times.
 
Eve
@KendallFrey Uh? Isn't the CLR mapped onto WinRT directly or almost?
 
Compiling for WinRT actually compiles to native code, IIRC.
 
9:21 PM
sad news that @Tom
 
Didn't know about the hacking charges, but he'd probably have spent several decades in a federal prison
 
@KendallFrey turns out they both happen more or less randomly, when they happen at all.
 
Randomly 100% of the time. Yay!
 
9:43 PM
Someone knows how to get the size of an http response from an web application, even if it was compressed?
 
What size? Content-Length?
 
yeah
it could be done in the Global.asax.cs file?
 
Oh, you want it server-side.
 
yeah, that's it
 
If you can access the response before it is sent, you could read it maybe.
Otherwise, I don't know.
 
9:47 PM
I tried to do this, but with no success on that ... it returned a null value ...
public class Global : HttpApplication
{
protected void Application_EndRequest(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
var response = this.Response;

var str = response.Headers["Content-Length"];
}
}
 
My question is, why?
 
for each request made by the client I need to register the response bandwidth consumption
It's a web service
I have more details about my issue here: stackoverflow.com/questions/13994202/…
I need to charge my clients by the bandwidth consumption
each client has a bandwidth limit
 
erm, IIRC sender is the object you need to use
so var response = (HttpContext)sender;
pure guess though
 
where do I get that?
in the EndRequest event?
I'll try it on ... :)
 
Eve
Is there a way to know when a bounty ends, exactly?
Emphasis on exactly.
 
9:58 PM
@Eve Is second precision good enough?
 
Eve
Good enough.
 
Then yes.
 
Eve
I'd say that your answer was actually helpful, since I found out where to look after your response.
You're helping without wanting.
 
Good.
 
I didnt know that PING stood for Packet InterNet Groper... I always thought it had something to do with ping-pong
so host a says ping and host b says pong
 
10:07 PM
GROPER???
I'd much prefer the command be grope.
 
according to my lecturers slides yea :/
 
grope microsoft.com
 
I swear he is talking a load of bs half the time
 
given there's a command called finger i don't doubt it could indeed be groper
 
10:10 PM
finger bgates@microsoft.com
 
Eve
@KendallFrey I did some research and indeed WinRT seems to be unmanaged. What I can't seem to figure out is if WinRT apps are compiled to native code, but I don't think so...
Apps coded in C#, at least.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they are.
 
Eve
I'll do the most bigot test I can think of.
Never mind, that didn't work.
Well, what the wikipedia article says is that thanks to the WinRT metadata .NET applications map "directly" to the WinRT constructs, but what I don't get is if "automatically" means at compile time or at execution.
I am still under the impression that apps are still compiled in IL code, then mapped to the native types. Pretty much what happens on other OS, but with less overhead.
I'd like to know more, though, so if you can correct me I'd gladly listen.
 
I don't have a reference, but I don't think WinRT uses .NET.
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Q: Why is WinRT unmanaged?

user380719Windows 8 introduces WinRT, which is like .NET but unmanaged. Why is it unmanaged? Is it a performance issue? Does it mean garbage collection is not suitable for lower level APIs?

May be helpful.
 
Eve
I've read that, kind of. Not sure where I should've looked, so I went through it fast. If you see something that is relevant, please say so.
 
10:50 PM
Quick! What order are the colors on the Windows logo? No looking!
 
Eve
Red Green Yellow Blue?
 
Ordered how?
 
Eve
1 2
3 4
 
Wrong.
 
Eve
Aw, I was almost sure the blue was on bottom right.
Every time I see Hans Passant's avatar I remember:
His beard seems so soft.
 
11:07 PM
Quick! What was Hans Passant's name before Stack Overflow?
 
nobugz on msdn
 
Hi all!
 
hej jab
 
@JohanLarsson whats up?
 
@JABFreeware not much, idlin' You?
 
11:15 PM
@JohanLarsson not much, except rain in MO
that may turn to ice
 
@JABFreeware MO is Missouri?
 
@JohanLarsson yo
 
snow > rain imo
 
snow + snow == snow
rain + snow == null
rain > snow
 
Does Homer S live in Missouri?
 
Eve
11:22 PM
There is no implicit reference conversion from 'Rain' to 'System.IComparable'.
 
@Eve No really
I think you would have to parse it
 
operator overloading?
 
Eve
What I meant is just that I don't see how rain > snow. Is it true because snow is "bad" and rain cancels it?
 
Snow is bad. No snow is good. Rain + snow == no snow, therefore rain is good.
 
@KendallFrey :) LOL
I have to go now
 
Eve
11:37 PM
ok
 
average in c++ is around 80
One guy claimed 121
 
I'd probably be around 45-50 if I didn't need to watch both the screen and keyboard.
Oh, wait, mine is 46.
 
11:54 PM
I'm trying to select C# as language
 
haha
 
did not get any better in Swedish, the words felt longer but the spelling was easier
 
Apparently >50 wpm is touch typing. after more practice, I should be able to "touch type" with 3 fingers.
Wow, just scored 59.
 
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