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19:00
Yes.
i feel like that is hillarious in so many ways
also the only acceptable use of bing or i.e.
I was gonna say that.
RAGE
But you know what they say...
Great minds think alike. ;) ;)
except when coding in python
19:04
@KendallFrey yeah u were right!
ask 5 people what's the most pythonic way to do any operation on any collection
@Hans - that is just the beginning of the fallout from the removal of what SO is not
and you'll get 7 answers from 3 of the people
the other 2 people will give you C++ code
nothing to do with programming, but Jeb is the man!
19:11
ever seen videos of those squirrel suits making minute errors?
just a plume of red
aye there is another vid he does and he does hit the ground. It didnt look too nice
I asked a question!
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Q: Using Html Anchors with MVC3 Routing

Kyle TraubermanI have an anchor in one of my views: <a name="@("Doc" + Model.Key)"></a> I want to link to this anchor from another view: <a href="@(Url.Action("Update") + "#Doc" + Model.DocumentId)">Go To Document Properties</a> When I click this link, I get the following error: ...

its a rare treat for you all.
that's how I feel sometimes
"Yay I asked a question!"
I know
I do it so rarely
19:26
I'm stupid, I'll admit that... but shouldn't it be actionlink?
I have 20 questions/406 answers
no. Action link renders the full <a> tag
holly shit @KyleTrauberman
I just want the url, so I can add my stuff to it.
AMH
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hi all
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19:27
did anyone worked with photobucketnet
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Q: PhotobucketNet log in

AMHam trying to upload video , so I check if user loged in or not so I use the following code if (Program.Instance.Photobucket.UserLoggedOn) { Program.Instance.Photobucket.RequestUserToken( ); // then upload the video PhotobucketNet.MediaItem newItem = Program.Instance....

@KyleTrauberman the ratio of answer to questions
that's nothing
Some people have never asked questions.
Jon Skeet has 25 questions / 21,292 answers
hahaha
19:28
Well, that means I have more of something than he does.
likewise
AMH
AMH
any idea please, am sorry for interupt your chat
I can't remember source
but I think in cases where the current ratio is infinite because the denominator is 0
you can add 4 to numerator and add 2 to denominator to get estimate of the actual p
Undefined.
or, 1 : 0
like in stats if you wanna guess the win/lose ratio of a team if the team played infinite games
you can estimate by getting their current win/lose ratio
but if they're 5-0, you can estimate that as 7-2
19:34
Poor estimate.
similarly if they are 200000 - 0 then you can estimate that as 200002 - 2
similarly if they are 0 - 0, they are 2 - 2 as the best estimate
that's getting information from things where you can't use normal statistics
3-2 is a really poor estimate of 1-0
well if you only know 1 - 0
do you have a better estimate?
cause clearly if they are 1 - 0
Undefined, or infinite.
so you just say, pffft, they have no losses, I can't figure out their actual win/lose ratio
and that 2 - 0 and 2,000,000 - 0 give you the same information
19:37
If their W/L is 1/0, than their W/L is 1/0
Simple enough.
well let's say it's not a team you're testing
let's say you're testing car seats for children
There is a way to estimate the probable expected ratio.
you wanna make sure that the probability your seats will fail is less than 10^-20
But it doesn't involve adding values like that.
and you keep testing
and you never get a failure
at what point can you say I've done enough testing?
surely not at 2 success 0 failure
is it at 10^20 success, 0 failure?
19:39
OK...
If n is number of tests
then assuming no failures
Then you test until 10^-20 * n > 0.5
lol 0.5 isn't your alpha
your alpha is 10^-20
Then there is a 0.5 chance that the probability of failure < 10^-20
no that's not how things work
Stop laughing I'm serious.
I think it is.
@KendallFrey i used this code to move my form out of the way so the user can not see the form. For some reson, the PrinfForm control says it is not visible. Is there any way i can keep it focused and visible, but just away so the user can not see it?
        Location = new Point(300, -747);
19:42
have a good weekend yall;
you want your probability of failure to be < 10 ^ -20 100% of the time
later Ammar
You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT guarantee that with tests like you described.
because if you set an alpha for < 10 ^ -20
Without infinite tests.
19:43
okay here's how statistics work
I took a data management class OK?
sorry I'm having a hard time to explain what I mean
also I'm sure you mean .05 not 0.5
you're not trying to determine the proability of failure
No, that makes it more probable that p > 10^-20
you want to find p^ such that on a given bernoulli trial the probability of failure < 10^-20
i mean p*
I'm not following.
19:45
so in t-tests
You have tests with a probability of failure p, and you're trying to determine if p < 10^-20?
you find p^
yes
10^-20 is your alpha
You can't determine that with 100% accuracy in a finite number of tests.
you're not trying to find p no
you're trying to invalidate your null hypothesis
of this car seat will fail at this trial
with an alpha of 10^-20
you can't find p
I meant p^
which is what you use in t-tests
@KendallFrey if i use the code here, can i position form2 off the screen, and it still print?
19:47
what is p^? probability of failure, or 10^-20?
p^ is your trial data
@EliteGamer Sorry, don't know.
it's success/total
Oh god, you are using that tutorial...
19:48
if your p^ == 1
then you automatically pass every t test
@walkingTarget are you talking to me?
which is not what we want
if your p^ == 1 you need to add 2 to your success and 4 to your total
I still don't get what p^ is. Is it a scalar value?
19:49
oh..well, did you se my question? is it possible?
Is it calculated from the tests?
p^ = success/failures
calculated from tests?
from your trials that you perform yes
i.e. the result. got it
19:49
I answered my question! another rare treat!
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A: Using Html Anchors with MVC3 Routing

Kyle TraubermanFollowing the advice @BrettSmith posted, I came up with the following solution: I added a second route with the anchor and a constraint, so that this route would only get chosen if the anchor was specified. routes.MapRoute( "DocAnchor", // Route name "{controller}/{action}/{id}...

now if your alpha is 10^-20
and you assume binomial distribution
I believe it's impossible using that method, because you use Graphics.CopyFromScreen() to render the form to the print
you get some t* value like 30
you assume max stdev to cover you basis
CopyFromScreen literally does what it says, so you have to have something on screen to copy
t* -> what is it?
19:51
t* is the number of standard deviations from the mean
you need to succeed your test
Im very confused. What are you trying to determine?
like if alpha = .05
and it's a normal distribution, then your t* is something like 2.3
Ah, a statistics discussion.... like beautiful white noise when you aren't participating
sup guys
so if your data is 2.3 standard deviations away from your null hypothesis
19:52
my resources.resx file won't "compile"
then you succeed
Error 2 Invalid Resx file. Type in the data at line 230, position 5, cannot be loaded because it threw the following exception during construction: Opération réussie
("Opération réussie" means "operation succeeded")
Ah, the classic.
hello @zneak from paris!
@Hans: What are you trying to tell me again?
19:53
from Montréal, actually
oh sorry
the people in Paris aren't working at this time of the day
well the thing is if your p^ is exactly 1
I guess they're all dining on fine food and drinking wine
the probability of failure is exactly 0
which means it doesn't matter how low your alpha is
if your alpha is 10 ^ -3 million
19:54
Hey! why am i getting an error her on MemoryImage?
e.Graphics.DrawImage(memoryImage, 0, 0);
it'll automatically succeed
so you don't want that if you only have 1 trial and it's a success
so you add 2 to the success and 4 to the failures
and that's how you estimate how good your actual data is
so if success = 1 and total = 1
Does alpha mean the desired probability of failure? or the probability of passing the test with p^ < 10^-20?
that's only 3/5
alpha means possibility of failure
well probability that the null hypothesis is true
and in this case the null hypothesis is
"My car seat will fail on the first trial"
so if your alpha is low enough, you can say that my car seat will not fail
in 10^20 trials
19:57
@KyleTrauberman i am trying this, but i get an error on MemoryImage? Why? msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/6he9hz8c.aspx
Well, I'm not sure of all the variables you are referring to, but...
I'm not super good at explaining all this sorry
Even if you have no failures, you still have a possibility of the actual probability of failure > 10^-20
yes
but 10^-20 is where we set the bar
if it's less than that we don't care

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