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4:01 PM
@CodyGray It doesn't seem so to me.
 
@roganjosh I am not even debating, just pouring my hearts out, cause I did not expected to be treated like this, I mean I thought intelligent people are more understanding. And I would not just swallow everything that is being fed to me, and accept it as the absolute truth, cause just they said so.
 
@aaa28 You think I've given you misinformation that you just need to digest?
 
@AnnZen Look at any post on HNQ (Hot Network Questions): tons of views correlates to tons of votes & mostly upvotes (esp. with answers where there is the negative rep to the downvoter). Its not a 1:1 thing but it is definitely a correlation
 
link?
 
heh, I actually have a few links I'm just trying to find one that is not embroiled in conflict (from when they removed HNQ)
 
4:06 PM
:)
 
@aaa28 While I can appreciate general skepticism, you're implying that I gave you, unverified, bad advice. It's me that has interacted with you most, so I'm not sure who "they" are.
 
honestly, Its kinda feel like it, I mean, if my understanding is correct, maybe not you, but the others were kind of annoyed with me, cause I seem not listening, but believe me I listen and I am grateful that you even extend your hand and even offer me to just ask you for clarification
thats ridiculous? bad advice? how would I know? who am I know?
 
" And I would not just swallow everything that is being fed to me, and accept it as the absolute truth, cause just they said so." What would be the issue if it was all good advice?
 
I would not know what is bad advice cause I am not even knowledgeable
 
@AnnZen Okay, this doesn't have much of the conflict and definitely supports at least the downvote issue (you cannae downvote with the 101 association rep - or only can once in some cases)
 
4:11 PM
@LinkBerest you can't, period.
Unless beta site or something
 
I said that cause I feel like, you wanted me to just accept that, do you want me to accept that? Cause I will? I'll just incorporate it with my code right now, is that it?
 
Somewhere in that mess is a SEDE query by Monica or Glorfindel I remember existing...or I dreamed it which is also possible
 
@aaa28 you don't have to do anything. But if there's one person helping you out you either take or leave what they tell you. But if you leave it and keep asking until you get an answer you like you'll wear people's patience thin.
 
@roganjosh who they are? I am talking about @LinkBerest, even got the time to link my posts, and @MisterMiyagi, happy? Like I said I have no problem with you?
 
@AndrasDeak or something and it was Glorfindel who gather it - figures
@aaa28 what post?....you use PHP and I don't really look at that tag
 
4:16 PM
@AndrasDeak how many times I would say it, my recent question was not even the same as my previous question, the one @roganjosh help me with
 
I've seen your posts crop up on SQL but I don't remember referencing a specific one (and I always look for SQL Injection on the SQL tags cause its a huge problem)
 
@aaa28 OK
@LinkBerest I can't tell how that's relevant do downvoting with 101 rep
 
@LinkBerest you can back read if you want
 
Since this is going nowhere let's all agree to disagree and discontinue this meta discussion.
 
@AndrasDeak the first one is when it comes to that - you can only downvote once on Meta.SE with the association bonus for example (101 - 2 = 99 and downvote is 100 rep)
 
4:19 PM
@LinkBerest you mean downvote answers. And it's -1 do downvote an answer.
 
yeah, I said "esp with answer because of the negative rep to the downvoter"
 
@AnnZen It's not great, but the code is pretty simple, and doesn't really require an explanation. So I don't think it deserves a flag. OTOH, it doesn't answer the OP's question, because it prints the name of every built-in object, not just the functions.
 
@LinkBerest and is that new? I remember not being able to downvote during huge meta dramas
And anyway SO is not MSE. Talking about votes on SO, it's confusing to conflate the two.
 
not new, but effects the correlation of upvotes (or more the ratio of upvotes to downvotes in this case) - I was using MSE as an exmple - if you go to a Worldbuilding HNQ the downvote privilege is set at 125 so you cannot downvote at all
I don't think anybodies bother to calculate this after the increase in rep weight they did to question upvotes but that could only make the ratio worse
@AndrasDeak ....just realized this was what you meant by "you can't" - I thought you were doing a tongue in cheek on "finding a question that wasn't embroiled in the removal of HNQ" (hence my "you were right" because I found that second one on a non-SO or meta.SE meta site)
worldbuilding was still in beta when I joined so I tend to still think of it that way
 
@AnnZen Actually, code-only answers do not qualify for the "not an answer" flag. They are generally considered to be low quality, though. I feel a bit uncomfortable downvoting such answers if the code is correct, but it is ok to downvote them if you think they aren't helpful. Or use a comment to try to encourage the answerer to add some explanation.
 
4:34 PM
cbg, folks
 
Here's a classic Shog post on how to decide if an answer is actually an answer: meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/334566
 
cbg
 
meh, I still feel the "not an answer"-flag naming is hugely misleading.
Since it's a flag on an answer, the subject is by technical definition always an answer.
 
@MisterMiyagi no. NAA is "cat walked on keyboard" or "thanks!" or pure link-only
 
@AndrasDeak by the technical definition chosen for the "not an answer"-flag
 
4:37 PM
Crap answers indeed don't qualify for NAA
 
@PM2Ring That's not how I flagged it.
 
@MisterMiyagi fiest two of the three is by no means an answer
 
@MisterMiyagi Perhaps. I often use it on Astronomy, and occasionally on Physics, where we get newbies posting new questions as answers to old questions.
 
Don't get me wrong folks, I've learned what the "not an answer"-flag is supposed to mean. The flag name only makes sense if one knows that arbitrary meaning already, though.
 
@aaa28 yeah, not really. I gave rogan some advice based on a behavior I have seen (being repeated here): he took it and said he was fine just continuing (and I trust rogan's judgement). Don't remember ever looking up your questions specifically, didn't jump in because you were getting good advice so didn't have anything to add, and don't really care to defend myself beyond that so am dropping this
 
4:40 PM
@MisterMiyagi Fair enough.
@AnnZen I guess you used a custom mod flag then, since it's not spam, or abusive.
 
do you use NAA for OP's adding more code as an answer (i.e. the type which should just be edited into the question over an actual "answer") - I tend to custom flag those
 
@LinkBerest Yes
 
NAA?
 
NAA = "Not an Answer"
 
@LinkBerest its all good, I know I overreacted, just a bit stressed, I know its not an excuse, anyway I apologize if I cause drama, wont happen again. Again I am really sorry.
 
4:43 PM
@aaa28 seriously, I teach so get a lot of reviews (mostly good but not everybody likes me as a teacher nor will they ever) so its all good. As long as your trying to learn and putting in effort - we won't ignore you and are fine with you asking questions
@PM2Ring "Yes" you use NAA or "Yes" you use custom or "Yes" I use both (i.e. it depends)
 
@LinkBerest Thank you I appreciate it.
 
do you use NAA for OP's adding more code as an answer Sorry, i don't understand your question.
 
I hate it when chat scrolls just when you tap on a message to reply to it, and you don't notice that it scrolled, so you end up replying to the wrong message...
 
@PM2Ring example?
 
@LinkBerest Yes, it's proper to use NAA when the OP posts additional question info in the Answers section.
 
4:45 PM
@AnnZen So posters can do two things here: one is easy, they add their code in a comment which actually should be in the question itself: edit the code in the question yourself (referencing the comment) and then flag the comment for deletion as no longer needed
The second is they do the same thing but with an Answer (here is it: Edit question and flag answer as NAA or custom flag for mod)
cool, that works for me PM (haven't seen it recently but I know I will again at some point)
 
@AnnZen That (removed) message of mine. I tried to reply to you to explain what NAA means, but I accidentally got LinkBerest instead. It happened because I wrote the text first, and then tried to link it as a reply just before I submitted it.
 
@aaa28 it's alright
 
A fairly common situation is where the OP is trying to follow the advice of one or more answers, but they're still a bit confused, so they've messed things up & it doesn't work properly. So they give us a progress report and post their new code. But they post it as an answer, instead of adding it to the question.
 
anyway, I'm out for the day. adios and enjoy the <insert local weekend/weekday> all
 
rbrb :)
 
4:56 PM
Of course, if they end up using stuff from several answers, and write good working code, with useful insights for future readers, then they should not edit it into the question, they should post it as an answer.
@AnnZen The OP is a little confused. FWIW, many years ago, I used dialects of Basic where print printed to the screen, but lprint printed to paper.
 
@roganjosh Just check the edit history if you want.
 
@AnnZen for what?
You couldn't explain why it was posted in this room other that shrug so common sense would suggest that you're just trying to garner upvotes. If that's not the case, you're trying to disparage an asker?
I'm not trying to be funny
 
5:15 PM
@AnnZen Like most typo questions, that question isn't very useful for future readers. That's why we close them. And that particular example is confusing, with a useless title. Normally, the system will delete typo questions after a week or so. Unless they have an upvoted or accepted answer. So it's best to not write full answers for such questions.
 
@PM2Ring I see.
 
@roganjosh I don't think she's fishing for votes. Ann is pretty good at earning votes by writing good answers. ;)
@AnnZen So I'm afraid you're going to lose the points on that answer, because we'll be deleting that question manually.
 
:)
 
rbrb
 
5:54 PM
is there is anyway to force windows 10 to obtain your specified font size for menu bar you set in python tkinter , because for me windows been always force it to the font size you specify in Settings -> display not in the app itself
 
@PM2Ring Silly me for not reviewing them
 
@SUB-HDR pass in a font= argument
menu = tk.Menu(win)
menu.add_command(label='foo', font=('Arial', 20))
 
6:11 PM
@CodyGray TIMTOWTDI.
 
@AnttiHaapala I didn't realize we were arch nemeses
 
@AndrasDeak so, what are the lesser nemeses then?!
 
Tab users
 
6:26 PM
Noun
nemesis (plural nemeses)

(chiefly Canada, US) An archenemy
(chiefly non-North American usage) A person or character who specifically brings about the downfall of another person or character.
 
We have the archiest enemies
 
6:57 PM
Is it implied that we know Javascript?
 
7:14 PM
I'm voting for "No"
 
@AndrasDeak anyway, archnemesis is either an archarchenemy (Canada, US), or, a person/character who specifically brigns about the greatest downfall of another person or character...
 
7:40 PM
decisions, decisions :P
 
7:51 PM
I am plotting some data in 3D scatter plot and this the link of my code:
And this is the resultant plot given here the link: ibb.co/GTvMjJW
I want to change the marker style and want two different markers for this plot to represent the data how can I achieve this?
 
8:09 PM
@AndrasDeak may you please help me to this
 
@AnilSarode scatter3d takes a marker keyword, like many pyplot functions.
You may want to check out the example
 
8:22 PM
@MisterMiyagi Thanks for your kind attention. I know, I had already gone through this document. even I know I can use the marker keyword but if you notice in my code the c=y_data, the y_data is a binary value, my aim to represent these values by different markers and color. the color I got but how can I supply two markers by using keyword marker
 
@AnilSarode please don't ping random people with your problem
I'm pretty sure you can only have one marker per scatter call
 
@AndrasDeak Sorry !! and Thanks for your attention. I will contemplate.
on my code
 
@AnilSarode I didn't notice that y_data is a binary value (I'm assuming an array of booleans?). The code does not define get_dataset(nsp.get_training_examples).
Have considered splitting your data into categories, and making a separate scatter3d call with appropriate marker?
 
@MisterMiyagi I am sorry it was a typo, y_data is array of booleans
 
8:48 PM
@MisterMiyagi Thanks for your help. It works, I had previously tried to plot the two scatter plot but making a mistake while passing the c value. but now I got my mistake. Thanks !!
 
Goodnight Codebirds
 
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