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4:00 PM
Boredom...
 
@Ffisegydd can you help with web scrapping?
 
heh... not sure that's the best review we could ever have but okay - just good to see you
 
Colleague of mine was using pandas for web scraping the other day.
 
colour me impressed
 
The API didn't do what he wanted, but he could get a HTML table out, so he used pandas.read_html.
 
4:01 PM
"if it works it ain't stupid"
 
It's been almost 6 years since I first joined Room 6.
 
I'd have guessed much longer
 
@Ffisegydd time flys hey?
(I'll get that right shortly... ugh)
 
that got me thinking. I know for a fact that my first encounter in room6 was not after Oct 2013. Does that make me "at least as fizzy"?
 
@inspectorG4dget you've been a chat user since 2010-10-25 apparently.
So it;s quite possible you stumbled across room 6 a very long time back
 
4:13 PM
most first chat encounters are via comment thread auto-rooms
 
Oh no wait yeah my joining was 2013-12-11. I was going by the date of the first starred comments.
Some of my older stars must have been deleted because, as people should obviously know, I spew out comedy gold.
 
ah, i didn't realise those auto rooms would trigger it
 
@ParitoshSingh only if one joins
but yeah, those are just chatrooms
 
makes sense
 
@ParitoshSingh I think that's about two years after I became active on SO. Makes sense
 
4:24 PM
Right that's enough fun for now, see you all in 3-4 years time.
 
Back from my lunch break, like ships passing in the night
 
5:13 PM
@ParitoshSingh Laurel , nice one :P
 
couldnt stop tagging sorry about that, not active enough these days :/
 
5:51 PM
Hey Kev, someone's masquerading as you and tried to call me out on a suggestion. I was more worried than I should have been. Seriously, your username should have reserved status in SO
 
People can use my name if they want. It's my Personal Brand I need to protect. Nobody else is allowed to talk about fractals or Magic: The Gathering
You can tell that purple Kevin is a distinct individual from me because he was willing to use a numpy-based solution
The only thing I use numpy for is solving problems caused by numpy
 
how he moves left/right up/down without the cursor here youtu.be/6YLMWU-5H9o?t=772
 
Room Six Kevin's avatar reminds me of the design and color on the green side of a US dollar
 
wim
wtf, the author approved this guest edit stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/25570720
why bother to approve the edit but not fix your damn answer 😒
also, got a chuckle at the edit message 😄
 
6:30 PM
@Aran-Fey have you tried intelliCode?
 
nope, will check it out
 
:D intellicode is very useful
 
Hmm, just noticed the potential ambiguity in the phrase "It's my Personal Brand I need to protect", which can mean either "it (i.e. the subject of my previous sentence) is my personal brand and I need to protect it" or "there is a thing I need to protect, and it's my Personal Brand". The latter being my intended meaning
I think most people can figure out the correct meaning from context clues, but identifying self-contradicting sentences is part of my Personal Brand
 
that got a chuckle out of me
 
7:10 PM
@Kevin algorithm speaking :P
 
7:21 PM
I'm starting to get bothered when I present a workable approach to a question, and all the person does is try some of my code as-is, then write, "it doesn't work" along with some error message like 'int object is not callable'.
and they put the error message in bold, like it's proof itdoesn't work.. but it's more like proof they're doing something wrong
 
yeah, some (actually a lot of) people need to be spoonfed
 
I don't know how they're going to survive out in the working world.. maybe they're destined for management
 
they'll probably learn eventually, but until then... they're a pain
 
it wasn't bothering me until about the 100'th time.. now it's starting to creep on me
 
yep, make sure to take a break if you feel like it
 
7:30 PM
good idea
 
@Todd Welcome to the club. Therapeutic meeting sessions are from 8am to 6pm and 6pm to 8am in room 6, time zone of your choice.
 
hehehe
 
In earlier times, there was a close reason for that kind of thing: "Lacks Minimal Understanding". Unfortunately, it was taken away for being too unfriendly. And the question quality has been plummeting ever since.
 
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@PM2Ring RIP
 
7:45 PM
heh.. seems like a good reason to close =) I wouldn't want to be in their shoes though
 
afternoon cabbage
 
Yeah, I'm sure it was a bit painful to have your question closed for that reason. And it probably got used more than necessary. But now we have to deal with hordes of OPs who are very hard to help adequayely via the SO system because they really don't have a solid foundation in the basic stuff.
 
this site is going to keep growing with bad questions creeping in faster than they can be sorted out.. I wonder at what point it's going to really be a problem, and what sort of solution there'll be.
 
Eg, someone who says their code gives wrong results, but their Python code is unrunnable due to multiple indentation errors. And they don't understand how to fix the indentation...
 
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@Todd I wonder at what point it's going to really be a problem Probably a few years ago.
 
7:52 PM
and how does the state of things today compare to back then?
 
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No idea, I wasn't around.
 
@Todd that's when you start being concerned for the quality on the site, and when you start spending way more downvotes and close votes than upvotes, rather than answering stuff
 
My afternoon of Neverwinter Nights was going so well until I've just got stuck in the graphics of a statue with no saved game to roll back to without losing 45 minutes of play :'(
 
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Although someone had told me it got much worse around 10-11 months ago
 
oh. I get what you're saying. yeah.. well.. SO is still the best info I get in web searches still..
 
7:53 PM
@roganjosh :(
 
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@Todd I find it really depends on the topic, though.
 
@Todd it's can be a bad question for you. but for the OP it's a useful question where he/she waiting an answer to learn. in the other side, the Volunteer's tasks is to handle the duplicate and non focused question along with (re-formatting, editing etc..)
 
@roganjosh got yourself some MTG Arena... :p
 
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@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη I think their point wasn't that they already know the answer, it's that no thought or effort whatsoever was put into the question.
 
I like helping someone just learning, i don't mind giving the most basic info.. it's when they just cut-n-paste and then post "it doesn't work" along with a stack trace in bold.. and then they go home for the day.. that's when I shake my head
 
7:55 PM
@JonClements can you guarantee that my druid won't meet this most pathetic of ends there? :P
 
some people learning actually take the time to experiment until they learn how to do something.. and others.. ugh
 
Lol, 5 minutes of flicking through spells to see if there's some local teleportation spell and I've just been slapped out of it by a skeleton. How fortuitous
 
skelebro
 
Haha, indeed!
 
@AMC well , that a branch point. let's say that the OP is new to the forum. so you can provide some guide to help out. but there's OP who don't care about what you are saying . he just want to reach the output. for example you will see multiple answers where it's actually use a smart code to reach the output without fixing the initial question by OP. and the OP accept it :D
who looking for learn, will ask you " can you explain why you used that and left that " . but the one who don't care. will reply back oh it's works. thanks
 
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8:03 PM
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη but there's OP who don't care about what you are saying . he just want to reach the output. for example you will see multiple answers where it's actually use a smart code to reach the output without fixing the initial question by OP. and the OP accept it :D Is that a good thing, or is the smiley face more of a joke?
 
something like that answer is actually killing :D stackoverflow.com/a/60746320/7658985
@AMC sure i dislike such behavior
by the way, you don't have to re-copy/paste my comment, just click on return symbol and reply back to my comment
 
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@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη I did, I sometimes quote part of the message just to make sure it clear what I'm responding to.
 
hahaha.. yeah.. i really dislike when someone answers like that and the OP accepts it
I noticed a lot of cases where someone just posts "please use regular expressions" .. with very little else, and they start getting upvotes
or if they use a Counter .. even if the person answering obviously didn't read the question and a counter has nothing to do with a solution
just because they used a Counter.. they start getting upvotes
so.. i've committed to starting all my answers with "use regular expression" in the first line, with some unrelated example using a counter.. along with the actual answer (j/k I'm not really doing that)
 
that's what broke the camel's back for me, the realization that not only the askers are dragging SO down but the answerers and voters as well
 
@Aran-Fey agree 100%
 
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8:13 PM
@Aran-Fey If you really hate yourself, try reading the answers to old/relatively popular questions.
Apparently solutions which are practically identical to the top one are worthy of dozens of upvotes.
 
yeah, and I honestly have no idea who upvotes those answers. Who the heck even scrolls that far down and why?
 
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@Aran-Fey Eh, I mean people upvote the outdated/low quality top answers too.
 
There's this question asking why __file__ isn't working for them, with about 6 totally wrong answers to it that are highly voted
 
Sometimes I've tried to explain to those answerers that although their code works, they haven't actually taught the OP what was wrong with their code. But often those people don't care, or don't actually understand what I'm trying to tell them. :(
 
@roganjosh ?
 
8:18 PM
people put in the comments here and there "it works!" . And they don't care why - all they care about is if it made their exception go away.
 
that's what am saying
something like don't give me a fish. but learn me how to hunt it.
 
I like your wording better than the old adage
 
it's all depends on the OP. he can accept the answer and go. or refuse it and ask for enough details.
 
@JonClements I mean that my character's adventure would have a slightly more dramatic conclusion than being stuck in graphics
 
Closely related: Cargo Cult Coding
 
8:19 PM
um... was hoping you might have signed up to mtg or something :p
 
May 26 '16 at 9:07, by PM 2Ring
“Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.” ― Terry Pratchett, Jingo
 
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@Todd Wow, it's like all the crappy pip/conda related questions and answers I've ever seen just flashed before my eyes.
I think I was technically dead for a few seconds there.
 
that's a good one hah
 
@Aran-Fey Often, it's school or work friends upvoting each other's stuff. They don't even realise that they're acting like a voting ring. Also see meta.stackoverflow.com/q/390907/4014959
 
last place I worked at.. the term cargo cult design applied.. learned a new word I can throw in once in a while
 
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8:26 PM
Btw @Todd the answer to all your woes is just pip install fnuhuhwd-oopfj[eko
Don't ask what it does, just do it, and then respond it works!
 
great.. i'm going to try that
IT WORKS!
 
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Even if it doesn't work, I'll never update this answer or respond to any of the comments.
 
if it doesn't work, I'll just post the stack trace in bold
 
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It better be in a comment, though
 
of course j... with no formatting
 
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8:28 PM
I don't want anyone being able to read it.
Of course the fact that comments are often deleted without a trace just makes that goal so much easier.
 
I had a response to that but I deleted it
 
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Good lmao
 
i googled fnuhuhwd-oopfj[eko was really hoping it would be a thing.
 
but you didn't post your search results - with "it didn't work"
lol.. that comment under this accepted answer of "There is a CSV file the web page is generated from. " is hilarious
 
that's because it works!
 
8:42 PM
reminds me of some of the funny comments on some amazon items
 
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@Todd Sorry, you lost me there, the idea that they would do any research completely breaks the immersion.
 
one of these classic amazon items with funny comments was this book some guy wrote called "moon people"
ten years later, there's now a sequel.. moon people 2 with more funny reviews
apparently the writer hasn't improved, but i'm sure he makes a few dollars from people buying his book as a gag
 
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@Todd Yup, that's probably what a lot of people are doing.
 
wim
9:34 PM
@AMC I have a meta speculating about that (possible automation) and a potential solution
Not that a meta is likely to change things, but it looks like a lot of people have noticed and agree...
Oh my bad, just saw that PM already linked it.
 
AMC
@wim Awesome, I'll take a look.
 
 
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11:55 PM
How are we supposed to flag questions which are just asking people to debug their code or write code for them?!?
 
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