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19:17
@roganjosh Plotly also has a Python wrapper, how does it compare?
anyone have any experience with pyarrow?
I'm getting this on py3.6, which isn't supposed to happen
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "reaggregate.py", line 11, in <module>
    import pyarrow.orc as orc
  File "/Users/apanchapakesan/workspace/RUM/.venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyarrow/orc.py", line 25, in <module>
    import pyarrow._orc as _orc
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pyarrow._orc'
@smci It doesn't, for me, because all my work is web-based now for visualisation
@roganjosh Uhuh. Where in your stack do you use Python, if at all?
I dump results to csv if it can't work, or I might use MPL to debug.
@smci I use Python for the entire thing.
You can't escape JS/CSS for front-end, but I don't use any other back-end language (as such... I have a Java API i created)
@smci everything other than the front-end in this is in Python
@roganjosh Uhuh. Anyway I'm curious how the free tier of plotly is from Python. The paid tier is way too expensive (like Tableau-grade prices), and I'm wary of vendor lockin.
19:27
I pay nothing for plotly
@roganjosh Yeah I know. Their paid tier pricing (incl small amount of cloud storage) is very expensive though. I'm wary of getting locked in.
Well that's a totally different beast
Plotly.js is free and you can do what you like. If you don't want to get into the web side then sure, they charge
@roganjosh People also recommend Vincent API for charts
I'm happy with what I have. Instead of developing that site for now, I'm considering anonomysing the software I've built and maybe going open-source
19:33
cbg
<--- never signed any agreement for the position so I own it all
@JonClements extremely saddened to see you go as a moderator. You were always up there with the best, providing a swift resolution of any issues I faced with great care
19:50
Hi Devesh, nice to see ya
been a while
@DeveshKumarSingh Fortunately, as it turns out, he's still a good guy and right up there with the best (-:
True that @piRSquared
@ParitoshSingh Yes been prepping for interviews for a while now. The interviews are much harder in India then they were in the states
Contract about to finish end of this month, so need to find a new job after that
oh, have you worked in the states before?
@DeveshKumarSingh interest piqued.
@piRSquared if i had to guess, i'd assure you that it's not in a good way. :P
19:54
Yes I was in the US for 4 years and returned back this year
@ParitoshSingh What if PiR had a vacancy?
2 years masters, and 2 years in a company
Oh that's pretty cool
I didn't know that!
@roganjosh haha, i mean in the sense that the interviews may be harder, but if my impressions about the interviews here are correct, then they're harder but "worse".
haha, but the interviews were slightly easier, especially the algorithm ones
So, whether PiR had a vacancy or not, he wouldn't want to be using the interviewing techniques here
19:56
here they expect you to code, answer brain teasers, system design, object oriented design, behaviour questions
But Devesh probably would have a better/more relevant viewpoint compared to me
all in one day of face to face lol
how many hours?
I guess for PiR, since he's into finance, the interview will be different
1-1.5 hours per round, 4-5 rounds on average
so 5-7 hours of interviewing
with a lunch break
@overexchange stop posting your fresh questions here
19:57
Not to mention, sometimes interviewers make you wait horrid amounts of time
Oh definitely. My questions are hardly about programming.
Because they themselves did not plan/schedule things properly keeping the volume of candidates in mind
the overall recruiting and interview experience is better in the states for sure
@ParitoshSingh I have the opposite opinion. I think the interview process to become available for a job stifles free-thinking
19:58
@roganjosh then your opinion is not opposite mine.
Recruiters are nicer and more prompt, and interviewers are well prepared
I've misread then, apologies
how are you @roganjosh
any success with interviews?
Or i've failed to communicate :P but i wanted to be cryptic about it though, so i guess i failed successfully?
@DeveshKumarSingh In USA?
or India?
20:00
ok yep yep
My honest opinion of interviews in India so far is this: the interviewers are reading off a list of canon questions that only barely have relevance to the work you need to do.
IF you're somehow lucky enough to not be having one of those interviews, then you'll enjoy your interaction
Yes, we call that list "Leetcode"
ha. that seems apt
@DeveshKumarSingh I'm good thanks, you? I guess I'm a bit too invested in my current empire to look elsewhere (though it's really not ma bad place to work in... if you ignore the quirks)
I guess you haven't designed facebook or twitter in your interviews yet?
the issue is, more and more places are opting for this "Leetcode" to filter out the first wave of candidates. and it's lame. hence, "harder" but "worse".
20:02
@roganjosh Aah, the same retailer place where you were doing some flask based experiments?
@DeveshKumarSingh haha, lucky enough not to. I manage to avoid some of the pains because i don't apply for programming jobs, but i've seen/heard the kind of interviews some places take
I had an interview here that was for a data engineer, whatever that means. One of the questions had to do with recursion. Meaning, I was asked a question and the asker expected an answer that involved recursion. However, I don't think like a CS student and though I understand recursion, it isn't always at the forefront of my mind. I gave another creative answer that accomplished a comparable bigO. That interviewer passed on me. What I would've thought was
"Hey, here is a person who is not a programmer by profression but was able to think critically and creatively to solve a problem. We may want someone like that on our roster"
@DeveshKumarSingh the very same :)
@piRSquared Where was this?
Because THAT essentially describes an Indian interview :P
Honestly "And with a straight face" I signed an NDA not to say.
20:04
maybe the interviewer/company was Indian
i don't mean to ask the company , sorry
i meant, what country
interesting*
(and clearly, past my time to be typing things)
maybe the interviewer was not smart enough to understand your answer
I think they have interviewer training in some companies
Not even a question of smartness per se. Just not aligned enough with how one should be looking at interviews
20:05
btw @ParitoshSingh I think you were in the ML/Data domain, did you hear about Siraj Raval?
No, he got it. Sometimes people aren't willing to stray away from the mold they have in their mind
I vaguely heard about him, and some alleged plagiarism issues around a course he posted online?
I don't know the full facts of the story though, never bothered to find out
yes, and he also plagiarized a quantum computing paper
Oh wow. plagiarizing a paper sounds pretty bad.
"thinkfluencer"? Please, make the planet stop, I need to get off
20:08
haha
yes, and he renamed words like "quantum gate" to "quantum door"
and 'complex Hilbert space' to 'complicated Hilbert space'
I think this domain has a lot of snake oil salesman, use AI/ML and learn a lot of money
You're spot on there.
Which is a shame really, because there's also the flip side with some people doing some amazing research and innovation, but the community attention sometimes gets diverted to...you know.. gestures vaguely at the paper and youtube and udemy
haha
Yes, we had a case of ethical hacker a few years back in India
20:30
@ParitoshSingh did you know that water cures cancer? Take cells in Vivo and pour some water on them and they're deaded
Coincidentally, this reminds me of a video i saw about using resonance to kill cancer cells
interesting to think about the implications of that
If this is an Icke vid, I will not be amused...!
20:35
Yes, that guy
wow
he's another level from the wiki page
how can you even think all that BS
Huh, interesting guy. lol
"It's now been shown to be provable". Great. Did he prove it or is it just "provable"?
20:57
does anyone know of size/performance limits of `mp.Queue()`? Would it be better to push a list with 44k strings or push 44k individiual strings?
Assuming that there's only one process reading on the other side
@roganjosh If it's proven to be provable, then it is proved.
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@inspectorG4dget common courtesy is not asking R in the python room
@djsmiley2k shown to be provable, not proven to be provable
I think there's a dragon outside my house.
That could well be provable. Or not. But it's a pathetic argument either way
@roganjosh can confirm. I am the dragon. ROAR.
@roganjosh in math... if you show something to be provable, it's because you know how to prove it therefore it's provable, there's no doubt.
21:32
@djsmiley2k from False anything can be proven. Can you?
@idjaw and here I was thinking "I'm just tired" but I've been completely disproven on my premise :P
@inspectorG4dget "better" depends on the use-case, though. pushing smaller items means the other process can already start working. pushing one large item has less overhead.
@djsmiley2k Right. You gonna take it up with the ex-football commentator that thinks there are lizard-people ruling the world?
21:54
i forgot the ":P" at the end of ^, apologies, it sounds a bit aggressive. "Shown to be provable" is probably better-left in the hands of others, but I think it's a nonsense statement. Anyway, rbrb :)
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