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21:00
@IMCoins it's this .
Yes, but what will you do there :)
aha, they asked me which part of their products I was interested in
and I said I loved chatbots
:-D
also I love the whole idea of document analysis
recbg
@NasrinShirali do you have a date for the next stage?
Nice going on clearing that hurdle :)
21:12
No, I've just received this Email. It only had this sentence saying they were happy and that was it. Also, they asked me for my this semester's transcript ( what if they say she doesn't have good scores and not hire me? )
hopefully your personal impression matters more than your performance in school which is a very different kind of performance than usually needed for work
and that was it. and I am blushing :-DDDD
@AndrasDeak hopefully
either way you should let them worry about that :)
21:14
I always get this blush when I am excited which follows with a long laugh :-)))
21:35
@vash_the_stampede what am I missing on this?
Anything above 96 seems utterly pointless
Sorry, 94
At 94, any dice roll is valid. If it's a 6, terminate. If it's less than size, keep rolling till you hit 100 anyway, though any combination of rolls
cbg
@roganjosh what are we speaking of
cbg mate
guess what :)
The question I linked to in my first comment. You've just answered it :P
Well, answered the question on SO, not mine :P
Yes was thinking that was what you mentioned, does my solution make sense to you?
21:40
Yes and no
Your solution does do what the OP is asking (from what I see, I haven't properly scrutinised it), but what the OP is asking doesn't make sense
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Is there anyone that can help me?
Probably not
I believe what he wanted to re roll if the dice sent you over 100 until you roll the value that would sum you to exactly 100
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I hope im not interrupting anything
so if you were at 98 you would have to roll until you rolled a 2
21:41
you're not
We can multi-task :)
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent No, you are not. But please read our rules before asking anything sopython.com/chatroom
@vash_the_stampede but why? If you're not recording rolls, that's busy-work
So i put a continue condition that would ignore the roll if it pushed over 100 and the loop breaks if the roll plus score equals 100
@roganjosh ... we could spend hours questioning why OP wants to accomplish some meaningless task xD
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Can anyone help me out with pygame
but anyways! guess what <3
21:43
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent did you read what I linked you to? All of it?
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yes
I could understand it if you wanted to track how many rolls were needed to get what you want, but to keep drawing numbers to get a 2, at random and with no stat tracking, is pointless
> Ask your question directly. Avoid asking if it's okay to ask, or if anyone knows about a topic. Users may want to see your question before speaking up, and users who join later can see it.
I earned Mortarboard! First time :) hit the daily rep cap! yay
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I was wondering if you could look at a post that I made two days ago. Here's the link
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21:44
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Q: Problems with implementation of scrolling in my pygame platformer

MOHAMED IBRAHIM StudentI've been recently trying to add scrolling for my 2d platformer but there were a few problems. First off, my collision got screwed up. When the screen would be scrolling and I would touch the side of any platform/wall, the player is automatically teleported to the top of it for some reason. Stran...

@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent With Pygame I really cannot judge what is an MCVE, but I will suggest you remove your comment. If I saw that on any question I would consider avoiding it
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What is MCVE?
@vash_the_stampede congrats!
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent stackoverflow.com/help/mcve
@shad0w_wa1k3r tyty
user9716246
21:47
:( sorry
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent there are a lot of people on SO who will drain you even after solving their initial problem. Your comment, had I not see you speak to us here, would suggest to me that I was walking into a trap. I'd remove your comment personally as it doesn't serve a useful purpose and others may read it like me
And you don't need to be sorry
user9716246
I'm not trying to drain anyone's time. Why would you assume that?
"With Pygame I really cannot judge what is an MCVE" means "I (myself) have no idea what I'm talking about in relation to that question" :P
user9716246
Do you know pygame, or python for that matter?
I feel like it's talking about the range of acceptibility ...
21:50
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent he's not saying you are. He's saying your comment makes it look that you might. Which is why he's saying you shouldn't leave comments like that. Whoever sees the comment has already seen your question, and will answer if they can and want to.
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent Pygame questions are usually tricky, and need quite some investment of time from an answerer, so, you may find it difficult to get answers. Judging by your question, I'd say try & reduce the problem to smaller well-defined chunks and take it from there. Good luck.
user9716246
Where should I go for help then? I've tried youtube but got nothing good
Here is a good start Mohamed, just sometimes you need to switch to book learning versus tutorials or videos
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Also, what is this chat for then?
21:52
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent this chat is for chatting.
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent you seem to be somehow reading exactly the opposite of our intentions in everything we're suggesting
user9716246
ok
Usually, general level - what type of problem is this situation fall into & anyone have pointers for what to read to learn about that type of problem solving.
I suspect a language barrier
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent You are on the right platform, sometimes one needs to have a little more patience. (There is a high chance your question might go unanswered, kindly try & reduce the question length so that's easier to answer)
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21:53
That's not very nice
user9716246
ok I will take that into consideration
thank you
user9716246
It's kinda hard to learn how to code, especially with a teacher who doesn't teach at all
I can imagine
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Most of the time, he just listens to music and watches Youtube
21:55
That brings back memories from high school...
and I wouldn't expect pygame to be the best entrance to python
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Not even the good Youtube though
user9716246
I'm good with python, I just need to understand a concept
@AndrasDeak the punctuation might be the antithesis to your hypothesis.
I don't understand
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent Python Crash Course has a good section on pygame as well as inventwithpython.com/invent4thed
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Thanks ^_^. I'll check it out
@piRSquared ...that's pretty cool & I spent too much time on my stuff learning too ... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/44127110#44127110 :)
@Mirv this is not the first time, so: are you aware you can post directed replies to chat messages? Like the one I just posted. These make it much easier to understand context.
@AndrasDeak roger - that was off the starboard & I only had 10 seconds, so i did my best to link it together
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22:03
Computer Science in University is gonna hit me like a truck next year. I hate my computer science teacher. He uses the class's smartboard to show us videos of Super Mario Bros claiming that he was teaching us OOP.
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Also, the book didn't have what I was looking for.
There's a "reply to this message" option in the context menu of messages here in chat and in the transcript‌​. The starboard is the exception where this is missing, but you can copy the message URL and put the colon and the ID in front of the message manually to get the directed reply
I'm not saying uni will be easy, but... uni is full of people who can't code to save their lives
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent You may try a few online courses that may suit your needs. There are plenty of free ones.
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As much as I don't like the teacher, I'm taking the course because I enjoy it.
22:05
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent Don't expect your teacher to teach you syntax, sometimes concepts are worth more. and then, there's a great collection of books, YouTube channels and also for when we fail to see it SO.
I had a teacher who'd just come to the class and "talk" it was boring to everyone and most dropped his course but whenever I want to solve a problem I hear him talk in my head :-D
he was teaching us how to see stuff, and that is very important.
@AndrasDeak ...so are you saying I would do a 44127110 or 44127110#44127110 to send the message to the star board's author?
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Just to give you an understanding of how bad my teacher is, he makes us teach the class for him. He is supposed to teach us the concepts that he made me and my classmates teach
try replying to my message; you'll see :<msg_ID> be input into the message box. That's all that it takes to get a directed reply. So you'd write :44127110 in front of the message and get the reply
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent that's a very good opportunity
...but that doesn't link to the message to highlight it
22:08
teaching is what helps you learn better
@Mirv no, because directed replies and quotes are separate things. What we're talking about is the former. Quotes are oneboxes of chat messages, and oneboxes work by posting only the URL to something (in this case, a message)
I actually taught parallel computing this semester, and realized how much I was bad at it :-D
you can read the chat faq and help to learn about some of these features
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But not when you do it all by yourself. Also, think about the fact that he's making money for doing pretty much nothing.
I understand your frustration, but what I am trying to say is that there's an opportunity in pretty much everything...even the worst situations.
22:10
@NasrinShirali truth ... that's really common, teaching makes you examine your assumptions
Im pretty sure I'm doing this persons entire project piece by piece he asks a question for each step lol
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent I wouldn't care about who makes money and how. You want to learn, and there's the best opportunity. Nothing is better than a lazy teacher :-D
@vash_the_stampede haha, that gets annoying after a while though
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Today, one of my group members for the game project we're working on had an outburst and gave the teacher sass because he didn't teach. He told him straight to his face that he hasn't taught us anything
@NasrinShirali I don't agree, there are great teachers out there who aren't lazy.
I get all your points, but this one you went overboard :-p
22:13
@shad0w_wa1k3r I'm not saying a lazy teacher is a good teacher... I'm saying if you want an opportunity a lazy teacher presents you with a good one
ah, alright. That period before it made it a little hard to decipher :)
@shad0w_wa1k3r haha yeah but I noticed he what he was doing so I just blasted the answer at him with a brief description and it was not the easiest solution but he can't complain i just did his whole project hehe
user9716246
I told him to calm down but he continued to make claims that he was lazy. I knew that was true but you should still have self control
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It's just sad when you have to tell the guy who is 2 years older to have self control
im outta here Im maxed on rep today gonna take a break,
ruhbarb
22:16
rbrb
@shad0w_wa1k3r Yeah today I was telling @AndrasDeak that no one can guess what I am saying except for him... even when I am talking I have to repeat and rephrase :-))))
yeah, I've also noticed it at times, he is good at guessing games :-p
user9716246
I'm assuming that all of you are far beyond where I'm at (gr 12), so can you tell me how I can talk in front of an audience without stuttering/talking in a shaky voice?
practice
Eh, it's called Cold Reading. I'm.... I'm sensing a class? Perhaps a method called Bob... Bobby?
22:20
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent Also doing your best to prepare and afterward not caring what other people think.
They're telling me they left their name in the local scope
user9716246
That's my problem; I care about what people think
@roganjosh lol
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent then welcome crippling self-doubt as your companion for life
user9716246
Please don't do this to me
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent a little confidence (sometimes a little over confidence is also fine) goes a long way, even if it is not earned or if it is false confidence.
22:23
There will always be people who are better than you at various things, and there will always be people who dislike you for various good and bad reasons. Try not to base your self-esteem on feedback from others.
haha... I won a chocolate!! Got an Email from Kinder!!!
:-))))))
guess what? they want to send it through normal post
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@NasrinShirali I hope you're not in america
in today's age of information you're always being subjected to the swarms of successful and brilliant peers and non-peers you have in the world, and if you can't detach your self-evaluation from them you're in for a frustrating time
:-))))))) so in 2 weeks I'll have my chocolate
The trick to not caring what other people think is to lose faith in other people's judgement. Being active on SO can help with that.
22:24
@NasrinShirali joke's on you, I can walk to the store and buy one in less than a day ;)
@Aran-Fey right in the feels
I just had one an hour ago
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@AndrasDeak same here
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@Aran-Fey What if the people criticizing you are older than you?
@AndrasDeak When I got the mail I was like... OMG "for the first time in my life" I won something for free.... and then it had a link to what I'd won
22:25
but free food (and free chocolate at that) is never to be dismissed
TIL "judgement" and "judgment" are both valid spellings
@Aran-Fey yeah, English is weird like that
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent Age doesn't make a person's opinion any more or less valid
also acknowledg[e]ment
"judgment" absolutely does not pass my judgement
22:26
^
"judgment" sounds more like "jugment" to me :(
*absoloutely ;D
please stop :-p
I have got a question for y'all. How many hours a day do you allow to programming ? Including times you're thinking about implementations, code design, actually programming, would it be at work or on your spare time. You got my point :)
"kinder Riegel 5er Packung"
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@Aran-Fey But as a younger individual, I should be looking up to those who are older and intellectually superior to me, right?
22:27
@IMCoins for work? or for leisure?
@NasrinShirali yumm
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent There will always be someone older criticizing, until you're 90. Then you will wish you were young again and back here in chat.
I mean, it's separate and quite different for both.
If you're coding at home for fun, it is also considered as programming.
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent intellectually superior and/or more experienced in a particular field? Yes. Older? Nah.
22:28
:-D in two days I will have my "kinder Riegel 5er Packung" and I will eat it with tea
@IMCoins even for SO problems?
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent you should always listen, be receptive of feedback, but be equally ready to ignore crap feedback.
You're still using your brain solving problems, right ? So it does count in my opinion.
In which case, most hours of my day
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@AndrasDeak How do I separate the good and bad feedback if I don't know?
22:29
On the SO side, I wish it was more interesting these days
@MOHAMEDIBRAHIMStudent You seem to be putting too much weight into the opinion of others
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@roganjosh I'm working on that as you can see
Fact is I consider most of the people I usually talk here as strong developers. Or at least people with strong programming knowledge. And I'm trying to imagine how many hours should one invest in programming to be considered really strong at programming.
You realise that none of us really know what we're doing, right? There is no set purpose, and particularly in programming, we're mostly brute-forcing in one way or another
@IMCoins I really think it depends on the person you're talking about
I'm not even a programmer
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22:32
Has anyone ever played Shovel Knight?
@IMCoins nothing you've said so far that I recall suggests you weren't a strong developer. But I don't see you active on the main site much. It can be helpful to pick up random questions that you know nothing about and try solve them
I'm **** hot on typos at the very least :P
yeah, failing miserably builds character
But it does help focus your mind a bit on how you traverse documentation for something you don't know
I hope one day you'll stumble upon an opencv question
22:37
yup :P
@AndrasDeak lol
I've opened quite a few and closed quite a few too. Is there a prevailing issue?
cumbersome/hard to find documentation
Probably why I let them lie :P
22:38
I often end up finding docs for old versions, or only the C++ API, stuff like that
I only encounter that when I need it for work (happens every other year or so). Never fun times.
I don't always have the time for solving SO problems unfortunately. It's been 4 years since I first attended school 42 in Paris (never programmed before), and most of my time, I spend it learning new things. ;)
Even though I seek a lot of opinion about what I do (self-esteem mostly), I like to really grasp a good intuition about some concepts. And my question was mostly oriented to get the concept of "What does it take to be a truly good programmer".
And I'm pretty much convinced you only achieve the "truly good programmer" title programming outside your work, and as a passion. :p
So now, I just need to set the bar for the "outside work programming" I guess haha
I imagine most people won't be programming outside work in order to get good; they do it because they enjoy programming and tinkering with various projects. And then it will be hard to decouple "good because programs a lot" from "good because they love programming"
trying to set a bar such as "I'll program 3 hours a day each day after work" seems to somehow miss the point, at least as I see it
^
Then it becomes a chore
22:43
There is a guy I really think is a good programmer and the reason why I think he's good is that he's extremely good at "problem solving"
but as I said I'm one of the least qualified here ;)
The trick is, treat it like any other skill. If you want to get good, work towards it. If you think you can do better, do better (in terms of time dedicated to learning that skill).
@shad0w_wa1k3r I disagree with that, but politely
These are interesting point of view
22:44
You could program for hours on end making all sorts of things, but it won't make you better
The only way to improve is hitting obstacles and how you try and understand the way around them
Well, working towards it was never meant as program what you can :-p of course you learn on the go, just like any other skill.
I'd argue it's the one profession where repetition is probably bad
I could argue that I woudn't care if the hours spent outside work were made out of passion or not. Just the invested time would count. But as far as I know, you learn faster when having fun and gamifying the learning process.
@IMCoins and lo, SO was born
@roganjosh hmm, yeah, I think I was leaning more towards the learning aspect, not the "getting good" aspect necessarily
22:47
@roganjosh but sometimes it's good to solve the same problem again. it helps really, no?
So, hours spent answering on SO's question would be a good metric ? :P
@NasrinShirali not as much, nope
@IMCoins good metric? maybe. one of the metrics? yeah, sure.
@NasrinShirali maybe. I can't give a definitive view on that
@roganjosh too humble of you eh? :-p
I... have absolutely no idea what that phrase means :)
22:50
(you spend a lot of time on SO, so you don't want to brag)
I'm so lost in my own language :'(
@shad0w_wa1k3r maybe we were responding to different points before it all converged
possible
I'm rewatching "Poirot" the series. Here's an observation... someone dies wherever he goes... How come he's not a prime suspect :-D
Why didn't the population of Midsomer relocate, seeing as at least one of them was murdered every week in a tiny village for years? I've started suspecting that these TV documentaries aren't giving us a true picture...
so mysterious :-D
23:02
I'm holding back an urge to post a slightly political post that is gaining a lot of traction on Reddit (21 gildings? in under 4 hours). But I'll refrain anyway, since I got to post this message at least :-p
thanks, we prefer not to get political here
"gaining traction on reddit" makes it sound even worse ;)
yep, can't put it nicely or neutrally, so won't do it.
While it's not impossible for reasonable, intelligent people to discuss difficult matters with a cool head, the internet makes for the worst medium for such discussions
What am I to do with my prepared vocal battering rams?
"popcorn ready: check"
23:05
I invested billions of synapses in those once I saw the post
@roganjosh karoake? :-p
@AndrasDeak You make me blush saying i'm reasonable and intelligent.
@shad0w_wa1k3r don't tempt me :P
rbrb guys
rbrb everyone
23:18
rbrb too. 1:20am. I need to rest ;)

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