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00:03
1) Never heard of this before. Sounds like the script might be malware to me.

2) Not sure that's an answer
00:56
cabbage
01:20
Cbg
Is there a way to get zlib to output the decompression settings used? Ive deflated correctly and the image comes out but when i re compress its not the same as before i decompressed.
and ive tryed almost every configuration of zlib.compressobj to try to get it to replicate the compression method and nothing is working. I figured if i can see what setting its using for decompression i could apply those when i compress and it should work..
01:37
Out of curiosity: why do you want to decompress and recompress something and want to end up with exactly the same thing? And how different are the two results? zlib possibly includes a timestamp so you might not get the exact same result if compressing twice (independently) a few seconds apart
to make sure the compression method is correctly compressing.
@Death_Dealer wouldn't that be: "take compressed result -> decompress it -> compare with original" rather than "take decompressed original -> compress it -> compare with compressed whatever"?
what I'm trying to say is that this sounds like an XY problem
its a games image that is held in a .ddx file. it has multiple dds images in them and ive decompressed them correctly with zlib but recompression never produces a working ddx, the entire header is correct. Just the compressed chunk is not the same.
your saying take the decompressed image and compare it to the compressed version?
well, naively I'd think that checking a compression method should be done by decompressing the compressed result with a known-working implementation and see if you recover the original
ive decompressed the original, then recompressed it and compared the original compression to my own.
01:41
Also, googling "zlib .ddx" suggests that this is about reverse engineering a proprietary file format, in which case any issues you find might be due to invalid assumptions/missing information
but yes, I guess it's possible that you just have to find the right switches to zlib (assuming there are switches) to end up with a "valid" .ddx file
Yes its an undocumented file type. I was just thinking if zlib can decompress it, it should be able to recompress. i guess i dont understand what its doing fully, might trim off extra data that it needs to load. im not sure.
yeah, you're not testing your compression; you're testing your assumptions+decompression+compression
i have tried alot of different variation with the switches. The closest i got was the file being 50bytes short. Its still did not load..
it's possible that your decompressed data is already corrupted. You know: "garbage in, garbage out"
Yes true.
I guess theres no way in knowing if its getting all the information it needs when theres no documentationXD
Thanks for the info.
01:46
no worries; this is not to say that you can't get zlib to help you telling what it does during decompression
How would i go about doing that?
I have no personal experience with it, and the python docs suggest that zlib is huge
Im not seeing anything for it in the documentation.
> zlib’s functions have many options and often need to be used in a particular order. This documentation doesn’t attempt to cover all of the permutations; consult the zlib manual at zlib.net/manual.html for authoritative information.
01:47
but, for instance, the python module seems to be able to tell you if there were ignored bytes
Ah perfect.
Dont know how i looked over that, thanks again.
no worries
AoC withdrawals! Doing 2016.
been there, done that (last year)
02:05
rhubarb
rbrb @AndrasDeak
 
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09:04
@piRSquared this year's AoC was a biiiig letdown
wasn't as much advent of code as advent of math tricks.
or advent of googling
that easy huh
As my first coding competition of any kind, I found it fun. I suspect I can be more of a critic as I do more.
I liked it. 2016 was more difficult, but Im not sure if its all about difficulty.
2016 was about algorithms
this was about math hacks.
useless trickery
@AnttiHaapala Advent of modulus
09:16
yea
I think I will go back and do the past years, they felt a lot more fun.
last year there were several tasks with breadth first search
and where a* could even benefit it
and iirc some other dynamic programming stuff
and to those of you who was like "I have an A* GAHAHA", I have the last laugh here
I had nothing and yet I'm on the global leaderboards
there were two DFS's this year but they could be solved recursively with no problem
That would've been fun, I've just come off an Algorithms course I scored an A in
then you should do aoc2016 and get your self esteem crushed
I recommend adventofcode.com/2016/day/24 as an entry point
09:27
What... isn't that NP Hard?
So, I can already tell I'll be in for a world of hurt.
So, I'll have to pass :p
nah you scored an A in algorithms
I graduated high school and never even learned computer science yet I solved it
Just finished day5... omw
Yeah but I bombed the NP hard questions. The only reason I got an A is because everyone else did worse
relative grading \o/
09:35
@piRSquared if you meant 2016 day 5, yeah I loved that second part
I almost choked on my popcorn ;)
lol
yeah, I can't say the story has improved from 2016 to 2017
@wim auto submit is cool!
@Unihedron I was thinking about you when I was teaching my sons about tetrahedrons, octahedrons, and hexahedrons. We'll cover all the platonic solids and more. I'll wait on explaining what a unihedron is though.
:thinking:
@piRSquared If you don't mind my asking, how old are your kids?
I don't mind at all. They are 3 and 4
fun fact, 3 and 4 have an lcm of 12, and all four digits form an increasing sequence: 1234
09:43
:o They're going to be skipping grades soon, with the stuff you're teaching them
that is a fun fact
no! #1 lesson in life is how to cope with boredom
how to cope with boredom: 1. realize you're bored 2. try not to be bored 3. be very bored
09:45
how ti implement keep me signed with token authentication in API, any idea? I have using django rest framework
When I was 4, I was playing with Hot Wheels and jenga blocks.
I will teach them that they will be bored in school but they have to endure it. We can have more geeky fun when they get home. If they end up enjoying school, all the better
That's how I conquered boredom
In DRF I have using Token authentication, I need to implement keep me signed in. In token based authentication how its related to session?
The also do all that stuff. Including beating the crap out of eachother
And I don't force anything on them
They get drawn to it by how excited I get
09:47
how do i add ironpython reference in c# visual studio?
@piRSquared I read your replies in this order: 1, 3, 2. After reading 3, I became very concerned.
There's a parenting SE, something tells me you'd become a very successful answerer there.
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ (-: Our pediatrician made sure to tell us to let them have unstructured play time because she assumed we were constantly drilling them. We hardly ever ask them questions unsolicited. They crave it.
However, today, I admittedly let a bit if the drill sergeant out. I insisted they know what the scientific method is.
That's good. From what I've heard, getting kids to be interested in science-y stuff at a young age isn't easy
09:54
they say they want to be scientist and do experiments. So I want to make sure they understand that it is about figuring out how the world works. Observer, Hypothesize, Experiment, Conclude.
10:05
Yes, it's good to understand a bit about how things work from an early age, but on the flip side, a sensory overload may discourage them
(which, hopefully, won't happen)
Hmm, I have a series of strings here, and I'm trying to convert it to a list with pd.eval.
0    "[133, 115, 3, 1]"
1    "[114, 115, 2, 3]"
2      "[51, 59, 1, 1]"
Name: listA, dtype: object
I'd have thought that pd.eval was enough. Or, maybe I'm missing something. The double quotes might be the issue.
Yes! That was it. Doing pd.eval(series.str.replace("['\"]", '')) solves it.
Those extraneous quotes apparently aren't an issue for literal_eval. What a little juggernaut that function is.
interesting
Anyone worked with AES encryption before? For some reason my code is giving different results every time I run it. Might be some small overlook but can't figure it out.

Ideally, if I don't change my key and don't change my data, output should be the same every time, but it's not. I am guessing it's a *major* bug in the library I'm using, or I really don't have a clue of what I'm doing.
from Crypto.Cipher import AES
from Crypto.Util.Padding import pad
from base64 import b64encode, b64decode

key = '/I02fMuSSvnouuu+/vyyD7NuSEVDB/0gte/z50dM0b4='
data = """hellow"""

cipher = AES.new(b64decode(key), AES.MODE_CBC)
padded_data = pad(data.encode(), cipher.block_size)
print(b64encode(padded_data))
ciphertext = cipher.encrypt(padded_data)
print(b64encode(ciphertext))
@AshishNitinPatil If the key and data will same then output will always same. Are you using random keys?
My entire code is pasted above. As per my understanding of it , I am passing exact same key everytime.
And exact same data, as displayed in above code dump.
padded_data remains same, but the ciphertext changes
Deserves a new question on main site, brb.
10:35
Huh, weird. I don't have a Crypto.Util.Padding module
And I get a ValueError: IV must be 16 bytes long at cipher = AES.new(b64decode(key), AES.MODE_CBC) :s
Oh, I should've read the question. I assumed you were using PyCrypto
@Rawing yeah, using pycryptodome because PyCrypto seems to be abandoned
Now I can't say for sure, but I think the problem is probably that you're re-using the same cipher instance in CBC mode. I can't find any info in the docs if it's safe to call encrypt multiple times...
I recreated cipher and tried encrypting again, same result the outputs are still different.
same different result ;D
To top all of it, I am actually trying to replicate a sample PHP code to Python, the PHP code gives the same output and my Python code gives different outputs, none of which match the PHP one :(
@Rawing I think that might be the clue I was looking for, thanks. For some reason I couldn't install pycrypto original and try things out with it.
10:53
I'm starting to suspect it's automatically generating a random IV
This is the time I should facepalm
Alright, problem solved. Now I can devote myself to upgrading my old code to pycryptodome (please tell me this is backwards-compatible with pycrypto :( )
@Rawing it is :)
those who completed AoC 23.2, did you write a program for it? I am trying it with pen and paper but the lack of fun makes it really hard to focus.
I kinda hoped that once I understood what the code does it would boil down to a couple of multiplications
@ArneRecknagel I converted the input to program code and then eliminated the bad code
I heard that my friend (who got into top 10 for both parts of the stars that day) read the code and guessed the values (getting the right one after two incorrect guesses)
11:04
you reused part one then?
@Unihedron what a monster
@ArneRecknagel nope, part 1 was a reuse of code from day18, part 2 was ported
@Rawing yeah, repeatedly using it gives different results each time, but not if you reconstruct the object (obviously)
i see
That task is easily the one i like least. debugging my own code is more fun that this.
 
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12:25
cbg
"The possibilities of quantum computing are endless" - The last time I checked, only a small number of problems could be solved more efficiently with quantum computing. Did something change?
@ArneRecknagel the possibilities of classial computing are also endless, despite that fact that we only have a finite amount of existing algorithms
there are a few flagship problems that are infamously difficult classically and tractable with quantum computing, but this doesn't mean that there aren't other uses for quantum computing, nor that further problems won't be discovered
that being said, you shouldn't focus too much on marketing BS like that :P
I personally wasn't there for the AI winter, but my profs in uni were. They ingrained a good portion of their hype-aversion into me, that's all.
It's also always great to hear family hypothesize about what terrible doomsday scenario AI will maybe, probably, likely, lead to.
Merry Christmas. =/
12:39
explain to them that this is only one of many possible near- (and less-near-)future doomsday scenarios :P
That would require explaining statistics first
I don't think so
@ArneRecknagel I wasn't aware of that.
"Nuclear winter, viral pandemic, antibiotic-resistant bacterial pandemic, thawed ancient germ pandemic, climate cataclysm...AIs should stand in line" :P
"But you can't rule out possibility [AI doomsday], right?" "No, but it's very unlikely." "Why should we fund AI then?" "..."
12:44
unlikely^[citation needed], actually :D
if you take a look at how current AIs perform and are optimized you start wondering
assert("Don't kill humans.") - done.
yeah, that's the thing that isn't present anywhere
currently we have def goal_to_maximize(profit,human_lives,global_happiness,not_ending_the_world): return profit
we have AIs that select ads, we have AIs that preserve your information bubble so that you keep consuming, we have AIs that comment and chat on their own, and none of them are taught any ethics
Maybe someone needs to open an "ethics for AI" school for them to train on?!
Probably because ethics is a very high level criterion, and all those AI are very narrow. You can't have a unified ethics defintion for all of those, so it's up to the provider to define it
@AshishNitinPatil currently that would be as successful as a school for training people not to steal or break into houses
12:51
Then soon we will have prisons for AIs... (sandboxes?)
@ArneRecknagel they aren't even trying. People don't program these AIs to be nice and maybe not share that new gif where someone was killed very graphically.
In other words, a good "ethics-provider" would be more complicated than any currently exisiting AI
The only motivator for the bulk of these programs is to generate revenue. As long as any kind of human value doesn't enter the equation for the revenue, it will be ignored
Well, now we have moved from a critics of Programs to a critics of Economy models
12:53
which I presonally think is the correct thing to talk about
I never said AIs are wrong or that AIs will kill us. I only said that the current evolution of AIs does nothing to prevent that scenario.
and your toaster will probably never try to kill you, the problem is when an all too advanced AI gets access to an all too powerful resource to cause something problematic that nobody had foreseen
Prominent people including Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking agree. But neither of them has proposed anything tangible except regulations that will be very hard to enforce
One could say that "sure, don't give AlphaGo access to the nuclear launch codes". But on the other hand we know "what could possibly go wrong?" all too well, and it's probably not that far-fetched for a near-future AI to accidentally wreak havoc in a digital monetary system. You don't even need anything close to sentience, just crappy code.
anyway, we could go on about this forever with no real conclusion, so I'll just stop :P
On a not-so-related-but-close-enough topic, the 2001 AI movie was quite far-fetched & bizarre IMO.
My gripe with that is that it is very easy to say "powerful AI" and have it sound like something that is Not Hard, when it is currently still debated whether we will ever actually reach beyond narrow AI.
I guess I'll stop too, before this whole convo get's hammered
13:28
cbg
Faulty cost accounting - the destruction of Earth's regenerative systems to bolster a bottom line will doom us faster than AI - in fact, AI may recognize this pattern and top us from self destructing... or not!
Then it's like in engineering, really. You can try and debug, plan, and tune, or just accept that there is always a good chance things go wrong, and have backups instead. The answer to the AI-apocalypse is to colonize mars!
13:57
cabbage
14:16
\o cbg
14:57
cbg
@MooingRawr o\
how was your holidays :D ?
Mine were great :) (bet you wen't asking me but never mind) :p
15:17
@MooingRawr I'm still on hols actually. One mandatory week
I'm asking everyone @Simon :P
I find it depressing that i need to wait another 11 months of work before getting the holiday feeling again :(
:(
@MooingRawr try settling in India. Every month we have some random religious holiday (if you are employed in a good company)
Don't know about the feels though.
August through November is quite intense, in my area (Pune) at least.
You get ample of feel during Ganeshotsav & Diwali, both last for about 10 days.
I see.... but I'm not a fan of the heat. I wouldn't last long in India.
I wonder if I can work remote and still get the holidays :D
Pune is good. Avg. temp in summer is around 30*C, max 38 or so.
Bangalore is also similar climate, but Pune is for the religious feels...
And it's more quiet / calm
15:29
30 is good ?!?!?! .... Past 24 C there better be AC on ... :\ Maybe I should work in France :P
try -20
it's not just heat, it's also humidity
^ i hate when it's wet and sticky. oh god the horror .... :(
Like a desert climate huh?
It's currently -12 (with windchill -18) where I'm at, this morning when I left work it was -14 (with windchill -22). when the sun set and I'm having dinner it will be -16 (with windchill -24). I'm okie with the cold.
so -20 isn't too bad... -30 is when I should wear a hat or something to keep my head warmer.
I see it as in the cold you can put more on to stay warm. in the heat, you can strip down to your bare skin and still be hot :(
15:40
whats the easiest language to jump to from python
(assuming very good knowledge of python)
only one hat behind martijn
how to see hat stats?
who has most hats?
ah nice :D
@MooingRawr oh, then you won't survive in India like you said.
I prefer AC only after 30C :D
@AnttiHaapala 1 more hat and you will be in the top 10!
16:00
@Permian languages are just syntax sugaring. Learning how to program should be the focus. To answer your question, anything is possible...
haven't had time for hats, sadly :(
@MooingRawr what about java or c# next?
Guys can you think any reason why doesn't
`{% autoescape off %}{{ entry.entry_text }}{% endautoescape %}` this work on django?
once again do whatever you want. but note the two you listed are strongly typed language unlike Python.
@Permian I found C basics a little like Python.
Some major differences but it's do-able.
All depends on what you want to do really.
You can draw a chart and list all programming paradigms that major languages implement, and pick one that has a good overlap with python.
16:12
then again Perl does not seem that terribly, humongously different from Python either.
Just stay away from ASM if you want something distantly related to Python
It's seems you are interested in C# and Java. My advice: Try both, do some tutorials. You can use an online ide to test them and see if you like them. If you don't try some others.
Programming rule #1: Learn a programming language you like.
#2: Make sure it suits your requirements.
16:31
hmmm J.F. Sebastian has changed his username
@Permian that's a actually a quite bad question... the easiest language is that language that is so much like Python that it didn't survive because it is too close to Python but not Python.
I.e. I wouldn't know it.
I know that there was a language called Boo
@Permian here is a boo language program for you:
def fib():
    a, b = 0L, 1L       # The 'L's make the numbers double word length (typically 64 bits)
    while true:
        yield b
        a, b = b, a + b

# Print the first 5 numbers in the series:
for index as int, element in zip(range(5), fib()):
    print("${index+1}: ${element}")
c.f.
Boo?
def fib():
    a, b = 0, 1
    while true:
        yield b
        a, b = b, a + b

# Print the first 5 numbers in the series:
for index, element in zip(range(5), fib()):
    print(f"{index+1}: {element}")
the same program written in Python (3.6)
@AnttiHaapala did he? To what?
16:39
Well I learnt Python. I don't need a similar thing.
How do you lift a ban for when you reach max number of questions asked??
@MooingRawr jfs
@ZackTarr that's hard. You need to wait. Many can't do that. Then they make sock puppets... then mods lock/zap/ban.
I think Zack is asking what the process to remove the ban from the account, unless I'm reading it wrong... but here's a good read
@MooingRawr Thanks, you are correct I am asking that. But that read didnt really tell me too much. Other than it looks like I have to wait 6 months to ask another question? I have only ask 12 bloody questions on the site and worked hard to get some rep under my belt and I get banned.
I am not an admin/mod of this site. I have no powers to help you other than point you in the direction of information. Good luck getting unbanned though...
16:48
It tells you everything there is to know. You either wait 6 months or make some helpful contributions (answers) on the site
Editing your downvoted questions is a good place to start. which they also recommended .
cbg Rawing, feels like a while since I've seen you around. (maybe it's cause I've been too busy to come here :P)
@ZackTarr also see that you upvote whatever good questions you see and so on.
Yeah I see that now... Hard thing is being a lower level programmer it is hard to find questions that I can confidently answer. Because I dont want to put an answer that is wrong and get down voted. I will go through and try to edit any old posts. But they are from the college days and are no longer project. And based on the recommended steps I shouldnt delete them and I dont know what to edit them to.
I can go and upvote good questions I guess. Just is really hard to use the site when lower level accounts get banned all the time.
@ZackTarr read the question and ask yourself does it show "research effort" :D
@AnttiHaapala Yeah. I see what you mean
16:53
the downvote button says: This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful
@AnttiHaapala Antti, very good example of a post from 4 years ago. My questions improved over time.
@MooingRawr I too have been rather inactive for a while. Been busy with uni and stuff
@ZackTarr also, firefox has banned the site link
So what should I be doing with these old post.. I shouldnt delete them and i dont really need the question any longer.
@Rawing ohoho, I miss the uni life :) best of luck on graduating.
16:54
@ZackTarr Years? Edit it now.
"ewswrapper.lafiel.net has been reported as containing malicious software. You can report a detection problem or ignore the risk and go to this unsafe site."
I got that in Chrome too.
Im guessing thats new on that site. not sure what the heck I was trying to do on it. \
@Simon I think Zack is asking what it should be editted too. If you just silly willy edit it and bump it to the front page, it will receive more down votes.
Exactly... That question was very poor. And really just needs to go away but I shouldnt do that.
16:56
@ZackTarr perhaps link to this: github.com/maiiku/EWSWrapper_py
Yeah I'm trying to find something you can use as research effort.
If I had a time machine I would tell Zack from 2013 not to post that haha.
@ZackTarr also: did you delete other posts?
cabbage, friends
@Simon What exactly is a research effort?
16:56
If I was in your shoes, I would try to improve the questions based on what I was trying to do, include code if you have it from the past projects. If you can't edit the questions to improve it just focus on reviewing other questions and answers and contribute by just upvoting good answers /questions for now
@AnttiHaapala I do not believe I have ever deleted any.
@ZackTarr you'd say "I tried it this way, got this error, etc..."
@JGrindal cbg
@ZackTarr What Antii Haapala said.
I see that makes sense. I cant really do to much of that without the original code from the old questions but I can go through and try to improve some of the newer ones.
16:58
What you tried (code, terminal commands - if any) . What went wrong (error messages ect).
I also suggest a stab at the grammar too.
But in the long run if this doesnt work in a week or two then i will be pushed into breaking the "Dont create two accounts" rule.
that wont help your cause :\
You risk getting banned off the site.
Thanks for letting us know
This site can be so hard to use.
17:00
Not really. It's because people don't read the information provided on how to ask a good question :\
But I wont create another account. I will try the things you recommended.
I have a question.
I 100% agree with "it can be hard to use". It's not newbie friendly.
@MooingRawr Very true. I did not. But sometimes its hard to ask a question when you are still trying to learn the code you are working with.
I learnt to use this site by practice and listening to what others suggested. The intro were a little useless apart from accepting answers
17:02
For most of anyone's life, their problems has been fixed by their parents, they are used to being spoon fed information. So when they get into coding, and see there's a site where people fix other's issues. It seems like a perfect realignment of that childhood ideas. The site clearly state that you should think about your question before asking a question, but temptation for someone to fix your issue is too strong for most user.
@ZackTarr What does this mean: "64 bit machine with python 2.7."
Very well put. I have had that mentality in the past as you can see on some of the questions asked. But I thought I had gotten better. I found a few questions I could help answer.
Almost every questions about any programming question has been asked and answer. knowing that, it's still possible to ask a question, just have to be specific, to the point, and demonstrate you've spent time thinking about your question. Cause generally when I find when dealing with new coders is that they know the answer. But they don't know they know the answer. Most of them needs some follow up questions for them to be guided to the answer.... and that's what the site is trying to make you do
@Simon I would guess I was using 64bit python and trying to install a 32bit library. But no way to tell now
think about your question until you actually don't know the answer to it :\
rbrb lunch
17:05
@ZackTarr Yes your guessing. That's rule 1 of what you don't want users to do.
Explain everything relevant.
"How to install ewswrapper for python off of their site on a windows". Not exactly wrong but there are improvements there too.
For starters Python is a capital "P" as well as Windows.
I have been trying to do that on my newer questions but as MooingRawr mentioned. Is it worth me editing those bad questions only to have them go back to the top and get more down votes.
Do what you want I'm only suggesting improvements.
I'm not saying change it or anything.
Completely understand and am very thankful for the help from you guys. I just am scared if I do end up editing them I will get more down votes and get a permanent ban.
Yeah understandable. I'll take a look at you answers now :)
Unformatted code alert.
Oh lord. Some were from the days where I was trying my best to answer questions. You can probably find issues there.
On the dictionary post?
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A: Adding key:value items to a dictionay in python with a for

Zack TarrEach time you go through the loop you are resetting the Dictionary to {} or empty thus it clears it out until the last time on exit. Move well_runtime = {} outside of the loop.

17:13
Yep.
@ZackTarr That's hard to say without knowing the details about the automatic question ban. It's certainly not worth doing if you only make minor improvements though. Don't go looking for small details to improve. Do a complete rewrite of the question(s).
I didn't know that.
@ZackTarr My answers with upvotes are overkill's generally so yes I can often pick fault in things.
@Simon Not sure if well_runtime = {} really should have been outside in a code block or not. But I will keep that in mind next time. I was try to not write the code for him but rather just answer.
Dang, I missed a perfect chance to use the phrase "the question in question" :(
@ZackTarr I was taking about the use of `` to format code.
17:16
@Rawing So your thinking I should just rewrite the questions? I can give it a shot. Only issue is I dont have that code any longer.
@Simon I will go make that edit now.
Careful. I'll consider voting.
Whoops edit made. What do you mean by voting?
+1 -1
Right. Wasnt sure if you were going to vote on it or what? Sorry another bad question ;)
@ZackTarr "2 votes cast"
17:18
Quick question: how do I add a certificate to the OpenSSL certificate store? I've added it to the OS store, but OpenSSL still isn't registering it.....
@ZackTarr there are typos in the question as well, you can edit them, remove thanks in advance etc :D
and i => I
Good advice.
I am not sure what exactly affects it... but...
@ZackTarr the problem is that your latest Q didn't have any positive action either. I suggest you add screenshot etc into that
No code screenshots though
@Simon Yeah that would be very bad. I wouldnt make that mistake. But Im not sure what kind of screen shots would really help me explain moving an item from listbox A to B. I mean I can take a screen shot of the gui but really that was more of a code issue right?
17:25
Depends if makes anything more understandable.
@ZackTarr this: "If you run the program below you will see it load a Example item into the bottom list. I then try to move the list to the top and back to the bottom while keeping the data element inside but it is getting lost in the process. Any help would be amazing!"
don't assume people want to run your code.
I don't. Most of the time I just want to read the Q and solve it in my head.
if I needed to actually copy-paste some code somewhere and gasp run it... I'd usually reach for that arrow down...
I go for the questions with little but reproduce-able code rather than all 256 lines of brilliance.
I see. That helps clarify. And honestly makes sense, if I could solve the question in my head I would also not want to touch the code. Now if only I could solve other peoples questions.
Often it's just a s missing or something in 20+ lines
another thing is... I've been on stack overflow for ages. I've asked 9 questions. Written 1600+ answers.
answering is how I learn.
17:28
True. I can say Simon that on my latest question i trimmed out a good amount of code before sending it. \
as far as I know you can only be question-banned, not really answer-banned
I think it's possible.
Antti. Im over here asking about how to do simple things so I tend to stay away from questions that look over my head. Or if they have lots of views I know I probably wont have an answer.
But you really have to be a troll or something
unsurprisingly, I've never heard anyone complaining about that
17:32
Id say that revolves around new people only asking questions (usually poorly worded) and not knowing how to answer questions.
17:48
Yep :/
Well I don't think you'll qualify for that unless your post turn really bad.
Now that I am cured of my bad posting habits from 4 years ago yes. But I am honestly surprised that this account was not kicked due to some of the old questions.
@AnttiHaapala I find that surprising in light of the fact that you don't even have to register to answer
@ZackTarr even question-banned accounts get a chance every 6 months to try and post something valuable
@AndrasDeak He knows.
ah, sorry, I haven't read the transcript
But on a side note. If a user posts bad questions gets a permanent ban where are the suppose to go if they cant create a new account? Do that just give up on stack for good?
17:53
read the message of mine 2 above ^
@AndrasDeak Happens but thanks for the follow up!
Okay so let me correct my comment there. Do they just give up coding that project for 6 months? Sometimes you can get banned but still have questions in the future where you have done the research before. And then when you do get a shot at it again if you make another mistake your out for another 6 months? Seems a bit hard to get out of the ban once your in it.
cbg.
When I see Martijn answering pandas questions, I can't help but cheer him on
While were still on the topic of asking questions can someone tell me what is wrong with one of my earlier questions? stackoverflow.com/questions/45804397/…
17:57
@ZackTarr ah, I see. I guess that's life :P Besides, if someone has a new well-researched and on-topic question, nobody will actually be suspecting ban evasion if they post with a new account...
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