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15:00
@davidism Yep, waiting on that mcve :)
Insert still waiting skeleton here
Rhubarb all, Got some work.
cheers @BhargavRao
working from home today. My wife went to Costco yesterday and bought a pizza like this:
It is sitting on the counter now staring at me...I have a bad feeling about what is going to happen to the rest of that thing throughout the day
that a pizza?
I wouldn't know :D
Antti, are you telling me your life does not include pizza?
my life includes pizza.
my life doesn't include that :d
15:07
That is a magnificent pizza that is just so damn good
it. looks. scary.
Sinister.
Like something out of Stranger Things.
shhh...don't listen to them. They don't understand
user559633
Where's the cheese?
it looks like a bottomless pool of tomato-something
15:09
it's a cold tomato pizza
Is this not a thing in your respective hoods?
user559633
WTF canada. friendship over.
this is a pizza in my hometown
Why is it not deep fried?
Now I'm trying to find the origin of that tomato pizza thing. Can be an Italian-Montreal thing?
don't fail me internet
ah
Italian tomato pie is a type of pizza created in the late 19th century by Italian-American populations. It derives from Sicilian pizza, and is found in predominantly Sicilian-American communities. What distinguishes tomato pies from pizza is the preparation process: cheese and other toppings are added on first, then the tomato sauce. == Preparation == The basic recipe for tomato pie calls for a thick, porous, focaccia-like dough covered with tomato sauce, which is sprinkled with grated romano cheese. Many bakeries and pizzerias have their own variations. Pizza adds tomato sauce before adding cheese...
there we go
wait...there is mention of cheese in there....this is not working out well for me
@tristan I'll make it up to you. I'll win your food-heart again.
it says "toppings" under the tomato sauce
15:13
but the tomato one I'm thinking of and have is just tomato and is served cold
btw, fwiw, in general, cold pizza is beautiful and delicious
just like next day cold chicken
ok I'm stopping..
user559633
italian tomato pie sounds like a knock off version of the real thing. like Super Plumber Brothers. Superb Man. Die with Exceeding Difficulty
cold pizza is delicious...
user559633
pizza, yes.
if it is bacon, chicken, olive, red onion, cheese, garlic, oregano, tabasco, shrimp in addition to the tomato sauce...
(though it is better hot)
I recently learned I don't like green peppers on my pizza
15:18
green peppers or green peppers or green peppers?
I would love to be able to get giant pizzas without cheese :(
green peppers are delicious
mushrooms are not
there is green bell pepper, green chillis prepared in different ways, and green (black) pepper...
my inlaws do green peppers and mushroom pizza @WayneWerner
15:20
how can I know wtf are you referring to
Okay, time for a real holy war.
Pineapple on pizza? Yes/No?
@AnttiHaapala green bell pepper
@KevinMGranger I used to like that but nowadays, naah. It doesn't add much
@KevinMGranger yes. but not with canadian bacon
@WayneWerner I love you a little less. Sorry. I'm confident however something will come up this week that will balance this back out.
15:21
but green peppers are infinitely better if they're green peppers or green peppers
yeah I don't like raw bell peppers...
and they still taste rawish on top of pizza.
@tristan back when I was giving you recipes for stuff, did I mention haloumi to you?
@idjaw That's okay - if you like mushrooms on pizza then the feeling is mutual ;)
mutual love loss high five!
@idjaw how can you forget halloumi?!
15:22
o/
\o
It's actually not the flavor of mushrooms I dislike
texture?
You're all missing the best green pepper
@KevinMGranger ack, not on pizza, though
15:23
for instance, shiitake mushrooms in some miso soup? Deliiiicous!
yes on everything
but mushrooms on pizza make me feel like a slug fell in or something
@WayneWerner Look how fast that turned around. love += 1
I want to eat my pizza without having to spit sticks around
@WayneWerner bad mushrooms :D
Well, that's probably true. I'm willing to accept the possibility that somewhere out there there is a mushroom that was cooked on a pizza that was, in fact, delicious.
But it wasn't at Pizza Hut
15:25
@AnttiHaapala I have a huge bag of halloumi in my fridge that my mom gave me. I made myself a fantastic brunch over the weekend incorporating that. It was amazing.
there is a pizza called Pizza Berlusconi, with chantarelles, red onion and smoked reindeer...
yummy
chicken hearts, hummus, eggs, tomatoes, cucumbers, halloumi cheese, zaatar, olive oil and pita bread.
but I don't eat it often because it has too little meat :d
@idjaw :b·········
You're all making me hungry, can we talk about politics and poorly worded questions?
Interesting fact - mushrooms are more like meat than plants
user559633
15:27
@idjaw You did :) and you know i can't stay mad at food you
user559633
@KevinMGranger Yes. But need to be cooked/braised
user559633
@idjaw preach. keep that garbage, heavy tasting pepper away from pizza
I did something wrong here? imgur.com/a/qZc5D
Definitely. You took a screenshot of code.
15:28
ugh code screenshots :'(
InteractiveInterpreter().
missing parens
@MaxLunar I think you need to create an instance of InteractiveInterpreter ^
you might be missing parents, too, I don't know
@vaultah thanks. ill try it
more pizza......
15:30
so...
how would Pizza Sopython be like :D
hmm
It would have snake on it I guess?
cabbage and rhubarb?
python meat
I hear snake tastes like chicken.
15:31
@KevinMGranger yeah, depends on a snake.
everything tastes like chicken ... :d
if it was actually a rattlesnake hot dog I had, it doesn't
chicken doesn't.
oh. I must exec it, not runcode. Something is really wrong with me today
@WayneWerner yea but it had spices
didn't taste like a turkey hot dog, either :P
15:32
small grilled Black Virgin Mountain lizards taste like chicken
I can tell you that larger lizards (i.e. alligator) tastes like rubbery fish
is it good?
Well, I've had crocodile
tasted like rubbery squid chicken.
user559633
I really want to write a programming language called FOOd now
@AnttiHaapala probably a little saltier than alligator
15:34
and crocodilia are not lizards...
@tristan I'm eating your language as we speak
about as correct as calling pythons birds :P
user559633
@WayneWerner Same
@AnttiHaapala really? They're that far apart on the tree?
15:36
cbg
"Living diapsids include all crocodilians, lizards, snakes, tuataras, and birds" so turtles are more distant
Archosauria contains birds, dinosaurs and crocodilians but excludes other reptiles
I love opening SO Python discussion chat room and looking at completely random discussion
15:38
debating pythons IRL is totally on topic
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the topic is just "Python"
though talking about Pythons may not be on topic
@tristan "software is eating the world-- eat it right back."
arguably eating food is just eating software
does anyone know, is DNA turing complete? Seems like it should be
> You’re more than your resume. Show off what you’ve built.
hmmm
15:43
/inserts pictures of children
^^
@WayneWerner /gif children
user559633
@khajvah language designed well enough that we don't have to spend all our time discussing how to get things done
5
though, just like that one class in college my effort was only a small contribution
@tristan smooth
15:45
(of course that's just a joke, in college I carried all of my team projects... mostly)
I should have done CS or CprE as undergrad, meh
user559633
i should have done Feminist Dance Therapy
The best achievement of my life was chugging a liter of beer
user559633
...that makes me fear that i'm an alcoholic
what's your record?
user559633
15:48
idk, i don't really drink for achievements
@khajvah That doesn't sound like a lot. Unless it was all in one chug.
one chug
that's the point
chug or swallow?
because we all know the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow...
I am not a swallower
user559633
15:50
Turn left
This is a terrible conversation. Pick a different one.
@idjaw This message has already been deleted.
inserts new destination in to GPS
you have been eaten by a grue
oh I know!!
15:51
@davidism Swallows are dinosaurs
I have something for the gamers
I learned that a very early version of ultima online actually had an interesting ecosystem
really cool! animals would actually go extinct
Speaking of being eaten by grues, I started playing Another World, and I am really bad at it.
user559633
You should stream it.
user559633
Are you playing this game?
user559633
Another World, also known as Out of This World in North America and Outer World (アウターワールド, Autā Wārudo) in Japan, is a 1991 cinematic platformer action-adventure game designed by Éric Chahi for Delphine Software. The game tells a story of Lester, a young scientist who, as a result of an experiment gone wrong, finds himself in a dangerous alien world where he is forced to fight for his survival. Originally developed for the Amiga and Atari ST and later released for the Apple IIGS and MS-DOS, Another World was widely ported to other contemporary systems. Later efforts resulted in several game engine...
15:53
this is amazing. I have been looking for that game for years, but I was never able to put together the proper link of references to ever find what I was looking for
in numpy how can I check if all the columns are distinct in a 2d array?
@davidism thank you!!
Yeah, that one.
I played that game on SNES and loved it and was never able to remember what that game was until now. <3
15:54
was trying to star it @idjaw :)
user559633
Can/will you stream it? I want to experience it without buying a controller
I got it for $1.50.
I am so excited
Hm. Got a dumb math problem again. Let's say you have three rectangles within a grid. How would you be able to find the largest bounding box? I am trying to limit the movement within a certain size
I don't think it required a controller, but sure I can stream some later. I warn you though, I spent 20 minutes getting chased back and forth by the first enemy and can't time my jumps at all.
user559633
15:56
That's fine
@corvid find the highest/lowest x and y of all the corner points for each rectangle?
though do you want your box to be orthogonal to the XY axis? or just in general?
user559633
I'm going to pick up Samorost 3 next time it goes on sale
I did a small brute force check to see if it fixed my problem, and it causes my tests to pass. I'm so frustrated with this problem, that a small part of me wants to just leave it (I won't...but just one of those annoying bugs)
Oh, the same folks who did Machinarium
a game I really want to play as well
I really need to re-prioritize my life and play more games.
user559633
> Nearly everything in the world, from grass to goblins, has a purpose, and not just as cannon fodder either. The 'virtual ecology' affects nearly every aspect of the game world, from the very small to the very large. If the rabbit population suddenly drops (because some gung-ho adventurer was trying out his new mace) then wolves may have to find different food sources (e.g., deer).
user559633
> When the deer population drops as a result, the local dragon, unable to find the food he’s accustomed to, may head into a local village and attack. Since all of this happens automatically, it generates numerous adventure possibilities.
user559633
16:03
awesome
^^ yeah!
@idjaw I've not played a game in a long time
except race for the galaxy for mac. I've played that a lot, but it's short
@tristan Even more impressive that was 1996 that they were trying to incorporate that
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A: Backtesting with Data

user3660575Python/Pandas may not be the best choice.

...
user559633
@idjaw yeah, and having algorithms for what the creatures do is really cool. much better idea than procedurally generating things until you end up with this:
user559633
16:07
majestic
thats horrifying
For some reason, you know what game just came to mind that I absolutely loved that I think did not get nearly enough attention? Shadow of The Colossus
I went back and tried No Man's Sky last week after 2 months, and it was still frustrating and not very fun. Dropped it.
@idjaw The Last Guardian comes out in December!
@davidism I know!!! :D :D There are now enough PS4 games to justify getting a PS4
I am so hyped. Unlike No Man's Sky, it's going to live up to the expectations.
user559633
PS2 games are totally able to be emulated on PC, right?
Kinda. Depends on the game and how good your PC is.
user559633
16:12
4gigglehertz i7, 16 gigglebytes of ram, gtx 1060
oh you should totally be fine
pcsx2 is the one I'm aware of, or at least the one that puts out semi-regular updates
another fantastic game that did not get a lot of attention, but was not a typical game for Square at the time -> Vagrant Story
holy crap..that was PSone!
I had The Last Guardian pre-ordered as soon as it was announced in 2007.
@davidism I really hope it meets your expectations. :)
that is dedication
16:15
Actually, 2009, but you get the point.
:)
@khajvah Looks like um... what's that one? Karbonite?
hey can anyone explain what this means? I am new to python, reading someone's code but I don't understand the notation
assume seed stores an x and y coordinate
cost = {seed: 0.0}
@WayneWerner actually I didn't do it because I don't think it will work
it's a blockchain-kind of cloud storage
user559633
16:17
cost is a dictionary whose key is an x,y tuple and whose value is a floating point number.
thanks @kevin
I now, want to write a FOSS resilio alternative
(if it doesn't exist already)
^^ nice. casting that to my speakers
much more soothing than what I was listening to before.
user559633
checking it out as well
this world building thing is awesome
@enderland Yeah, orthagonal X/Y Axis. I am trying to create a multi-draggable interface, basically
@corvid are you able to share it when you're done?
I can probably create a quick recreation
just curious to see it in action
16:34
finding the bounding box of three rectangles is the same thing as finding the bounding box of 12 points which is the same thing as finding the bounding box of N points
I think it's slightly annoying because I can't find any way to do it in under O(N^2)
DSM
DSM
Why isn't it just min/max? (Sorry, coming in late.)
the main problem I am having is I think I either get a memory leak or stack overflow when I try to save the nodes in the state
def get_bbox(points):
    left   = min(p.x for p in points)
    right  = max(p.x for p in points)
    top    = min(p.y for p in points)
    bottom = max(p.y for p in points)
    return (left, right, top, bottom)

def get_bbox_of_rects(rects):
    return get_bbox([p for rect in rects for p in rect.corners])
DSM
DSM
Ah, so Kevin's a (0,0) is top-left guy. (scribbles in notebook)
16:47
aaaaand freakout of the afternoon....didn't realize music changed and started playing a sound very familiar to the voice on the phone in The Grudge
I might have almost cried a bit....maybe.
When will the developer community reach peak emoji? There are too many emoji in my terminal lately.
The response is exactly as expected.
user559633
thank god apple petitioned against having guns and rifles as emoji
user559633
🍷🍕🍬 now we're communicating!!!! 🍝
text-to-emoji translator
make it happen
user559633
16:52
it's nonsensical, but the internet getting more corporate/normal/stupid makes me feel sad and deflated
do you have any people in your life that use "tots amaze" IRL?
user559633
only ironically
not for me unfortunately....it's been used in serious context...
user559633
gross. who?
user559633
i think if my girlfriend said that non-ironically, i'd just quietly start packing
16:59
nod
people in my somewhat-circle
DSM
DSM
Of all the things kids are doing today that annoy me, I have to admit "tots amaze" doesn't crack the top one hundred.
@tristan this just started circulating in one of my feeds.. medium.com/@thegardenblog/…
My chicken sandwich tasted different today and I thought the cafeteria changed the type of cheese they used but now I'm wondering if maybe it just sat on the shelf a day too long.
It says expiration date 10/22, but what year? WHAT YEAR?
DSM
DSM
Could be October 1922.
17:01
room6_rant channel - what the young ones do that make us angry. Our room mascot will be Abe Simpson
I prefer totes mcgoats
user559633
@idjaw pff. girlfriend and i discussed buying a house in the middle of nowhere. if that happens, i'm buying some dirtbikes. i don't need no mapleback telling me america is great
mapleback...dude. I'm taking that
I don't know if that has ever been said. But you better make it your own
user559633
yeah please do. sometimes my brain feels fuzzy and i get light headed and these things just come out
Patient: so how long do I have to live, doc?
Doctor: Ten.
Patient: Months? Years?
Doctor: Nine.
17:03
cbg
ah crappers....Urban Dictionary beat you to it
stackoverflow.com/questions/40113285/… server config / too broad / etc
Has anyone been having some odd issues with IntelliJ/PyCharm not properly pointing back to the configured py env after running tox -r? I'm just finding that more often than not, it is having a hard time recovering from the re-creation of the venv that I have to actually restart the app.
@idjaw is there anyone who hasn't had issues with pycharm
17:18
:) it's just something that I have been noticing happening more often lately. It's not something I remember doing a lot. It typically recovers well. I usually see the re-indexing happen, and everything is good.
Just wanted to throw it up there, see if it something that anyone else has noticed happening more recently.
today I've had to restart it 5 times
CPU usage > 300 %
I was frustrated with autocmpletion, so I enabled something called "autocomplete on space"
so now it expands stuff everywhere, like, on the left-hand side of assignment, into function calls and what not
pfft
like, I have
self.users.get_user_by_token(token)
then I try to add user = in the front, it automatically becomes something like
 get_users() = self.users.get_user_by_token(token)
17:36
@AnttiHaapala yeah I've had that happen
but due to autocompleting too quickly
:P
no this is a "feature"
as soon as you hit space it tries to aoutocmplete whatever the most ridiculous thing is that it can find
Google it
@idjaw "Insert selected variant by typing a dot, space, etc."
@AnttiHaapala Oh OK.
so it will autocomplete always
there is no way to avoid it autocompleting
if you want to use spaces...
17:42
@tristan -> stackoverflow.com/questions/40114703/… xkcd reference party happening
needed to tag you :)
@AnttiHaapala My current frustration is always having to tweak the differences with running certain tests from console vs PyCharm
example, running behave in InitelliJ: AttributeError: 'Context' object has no attribute 'stdout_capture'
whenever my tests complete
running in console...fine all green
DSM
DSM
True story: our internal client, who's quite technically adept, reacted with surprise when I had to admit that we were going to be running our application on a windows server instead of on a linux one. Something's wrong when when the guys in suits use docker instances and the guys in plaid run on doze. :-(
Mercurial 4.0 Sprint Notes sounds really cool. @MartijnPieters anything in there that you're working on?
@DSM Any particular reason why windows was chosen?
> Facebook reported significant improvements to developer sentiment toward Mercurial at Facebook. Initially, a lot of developers were skeptical about Mercurial and preferred Git. Now, apparently a number of their developers have forgot how to use Git.
> Facebook is writing a Mercurial server in Rust. It will be distributed
and will support pluggable key-value stores for storage (meaning that we
could move hg.mozilla.org to be backed by Amazon S3 or some such).
neat!
DSM
DSM
17:55
@idjaw: the two main servers are windows (running an old mssql app). I might propose a migration path at some point but to be honest I want to use my sweat equity for code changes before environment ones.. ultimately though I think the reproducibility/deployment advantages will push them that way.
Yeah, I agree with that logic. On our end when we had areas we wanted to improve, they were easily categorized as technical debt, and we managed to budget a percentage of effort to focus on fixing these things while still having most focus on producing features. It worked beautifully for us
We really cut down on a lot of technical debt all while still delivering
18:12
cbg
/OFF
(grammar|language)-confusion: is jewel the synonym of jewellery or the synonym gem?
/ON
striked-through and removed because its not true anymore? ;)
I was beat to the punch :P
bling would be a synonym for jewellery
but I would advise against using bling in professional speak :P
wim
wim
my vcs trajectory went like that
svn --> git --> mercurial --> git
18:15
Unless you're talking about a phone ringing
wim
wim
what ever happened to bzr ... is it dead?
@wim cvs -> svn -> git
all righty, thanks for the heads-up!
(there are debates about "jewel" even on quora.. interesting word ;))
wim
wim
I bet mercurial would have been much more successful if github would support it
It seems like, if you are bitbucket instead of github, nobody cares about you
@wim git -> bzr -> mercurial -> svn -> git-svn -> svn and mercurial in the same path -> svn and git in the same path -> git-svn -> git -> mercurial -> and now git again
uploading videos to YouTube == nothing else works on the internet
18:18
81 degrees F today. Autumn why. Why did you do this.
71.6F here @Kevin
DSM
DSM
I used to just use time-named tarfiles..
74F here, which is a little warm for my liking.
haven't been outside yet
Fossil fuels were a mistake. Put them back.
@corvid just find the max x coordinate in all points, max y coordinate in all points, min/max y. that's 0(4) :P
18:29
@davidism The Python 3 progress; I was a GSOC mentor this summer and my student did loads of work towards that and at the sprint I organised more work.
@IljaEverilä we discussed this yesterday, but we'd prefer if you not use that bot to format your cv-pls messages. I've updated the guidelines here: sopython.com/wiki/cv-pls
Mostly because it makes it look like, well, a bot is making requests.
note: that's not a bot, that's a userscript
cabbage
bot / script, same sentiment
user6568562
Yo Andras [ :
yup, I've just read the new rules, that's precise:)
I wasn't trying to nit-pick, I'd find actual bots posting cv-pls requests very alarming
18:48
why? it'd be great if someone had a bot identifying close worthy questions :P
Bots smart enough to identify good vs bad will usher in the end of the rule of man.
and the dawn of a brave new world! \o/
there are rooms that do this already that you can go to, in order to be fed info by a bot and act accordingly. Very good bots I might add as well.
I welcome our new bot overlords
do things for me bots! I am done with doing
user559633
oh, this discussion is happening. the motivation in not having bot/user script CVs posted to the room is to prevent this room from being turned into a specialized cs-pls/close-vote room
suggestion from a "normal" user - can you just make the policy "all or nothing" on cv-plz? it feels even more confusing to me after reading the linked one, someone told me to stop using the bot earlier but the policy seems to imply you can use it ?
or make it a "only people who can do this are room owners" or something
user559633
18:53
@enderland nah, i'm against any "only ROs can do this" conditions that don't have to do with moderating the room.
the current state of the rules came across to me as "cv-pls is OK as long as it looks natural"
If you are invested in the question, that is you are commenting on it, have tried to provide help, or are a regular in a more niche tag on it, then that's fine. If you're just posting generally bad stuff with little rhyme or reason, that's not fine.
user559633
^ well put.
user559633
I'm okay with "oh god i just came across this trainwreck that i want to end", but specifically don't want "i went looking for bad questions and i'd like votes on the following 10"
30 minute provisioning time for a 5 second test
love it
looooove it

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