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19:00
@tristan well if at least it was "I'm" offended each time. The real issue is "I can imagine somebody somewhere to somehow be offended". Not that I want to go into a lengthy discussion about this:)
Join me in ignorance, tristan. Let the six billion minus two remaining people on Earth deal with the mess.
user559633
@AndrasDeak I'm offended on your behalf, you're welcome.
cheers
user6568562
True and True @Andras @Kevin . I'd like to get to that point, but it's still a work in progress
Build the wall around your garden that keeps out the formless chaos
19:02
But if you build it, they will come. Who wants them?
what is an edgelord?
user559633
I'm going to build a wall around my garden and make the professionally offended pay for it.
@user51819 google has some meaningful top hits for that
is there a specific guideline for how to order private, public methods? we are debating whether private methods should go at the bottom or top of the class
user559633
@user51819 Someone that just types offensive garbage because he/she is hungry for the attention in response.
19:04
@idjaw what language?:P
user559633
@idjaw In Python? Easy answer: they don't exist
Related: how should one order regular methods and dunder methods? Sometimes I do init-regular-dunder, and sometimes I do init-dunder-regular.
well there's "don't touch", which can be associated with one's privates
@Kevin I'm in no way qualified, but I'd use init-dunder-regular
and along those lines, I'd probably put private methods first
whoever wants to tinker with publics, scroll down
19:06
@tristan Yeah I know they don't exist, but when doing something like:
class Foo:
    def _thing(self):
        pass
    def m(self):
        self._thing()
user559633
For methods that I don't want users to call, I put the actual OMG_SO_SECRET in a mixin class, then put soft privates (_func) on top of the implementing method
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"But when we say, “the problem is rep-whores,” to explain someone answering questions that we think should be closed instead, it reduces the number of folks motivated to say, “Oh, hey - I guess I’m one of those ‘rep-whores’. Is that what you call someone who just answers questions when they can, but doesn’t keep track of what’s on- and off-topic?” Note that I’m not saying th"
There's got to be a better name for those
If double-underscore is dunder, "A Single Underscore" would be asunder?
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19:08
Good lord, this is the plain white toast of corporate policy changes being communicated via meta.
user559633
"hello fellow kids. we're adding more words to the naughty-don't-say-us list"
I'm offended with the words kids
I feel belittled by that word. Like someone is talking down to me
user559633
If there weren't so many comments on that meta post, I'd have commented "but we can still use 'repslut', right?"
I think I prefer to order methods in the order in which they're likely to be called. So __init__ is always first, and whatever __init__ calls first goes next, etc.
I guess __new__ would go before __init__ but I never use it.
I count myself lucky that I can use a function name even if I haven't defined it yet. Some languages don't like that.
in this day and age?
19:16
It's increasingly rare, but the old ways never truly die.
I had a similar issue with Android (public vs. private vs. override vs. lifecycle, etc). I just put them in a call-order that made sense to me.
I'm way more lenient with .NET code because Visual Studio has a lot more navigational features than Notepad++.
I think the Google guidelines are pretty much the right ones.

Constants first.
Then dunder methods (new, init, del first)
Then other methods.
Then attributes.
This opens up a new problem of how to order your 'other' methods.
user559633
Is there an easy way to download your own Q&A content from SO?
TIL "dunder" -- for whatever reason I always called them "special" or just "double underscore" methods
19:21
I don't think there's a real best practice for function ordering. I expect the "best" ordering to vary by project and by person.
The reader that wants the high level view may benefit from organization that the depth-first-searcher hates
Thinking about whipping up a simple user-registration social-ish niche group site... Python is currently my "Thing" but PHP has been a friend of mine in the past. I know I can make it in either but further than personal preference of programming language is there any real reason to choose one over the other?
user559633
Depends which language you want to write.
IMO as long as things are consistent, many conventions can work
PHP has more weird design choices than Python, but if you already know how to avoid the pitfalls, then do whatever makes you happy.
Disclaimer: you're probably not going to get an unbiased answer here, in the room about Python.
Fair enough. So generally just go with what works best for me and be merry.
user559633
19:23
Python is really slow though, so if you want to do anything serious, I'd avoid Python.
@Kevin , valid. Very valid.
And then @tristan says that.
lol
@tristan you can download all SO and cherry-pick;)
But I'm not capable of consistency without rules. Style guidelines are about protecting the world from my own lack of discipline.
Thank you for the feedback folks.
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@AndrasDeak Ha. I think I might write a little script.
user559633
19:24
@ToddLewden Good luck
@QuestionC then just go alphabetical ;P
@tristan you might SEDE for the posts, then scrape?
user559633
@AndrasDeak Oh cool, that's a nice + clean approach
or just crawl your user page while you're at it
user559633
Yeah, that's what i was thinking.
19:26
if you can use the api with a login you might get deleted posts that way
@AndrasDeak, SEDE? I just tried googling it and I don't think I found relevant results...
no onebox:(
@AndrasDeak , Oh that explains a lot :D Thanks for clearing my confusion!
@Karin I kind of do that, but instead of the alphabet I sort on a hash function that gets reseeded whenever I leave the desk for 5 minutes.
consistent hashing counts as consistent right?
19:29
@ToddLewden don't mention it
Like James Joyce, I hope scholars spend decades debating the meaning of my work.
user559633
I just return 7 from all hashing functions. Saves room in the database and is fast.
Note to self: don't use hash-based sorting with my python2 methods called method01, method02, method03...
Undefeated at Badminton. All it cost me was my body.
19:33
Gonna get something from vending machine -- someone pick a random letter + number
@AnttiHaapala cabbage (I'm learning)
Just for clarity, that's a -3, not a hyphen 3
@Karin cabbage :D
will have to wait until they ship out the negative-index variants :o
user559633
19:34
Д 91220
I need 25 until repcap
I need a new spine.
@Ffisegydd Á is boring.
mmmm, micropython
19:36
It was the easiest character I could type that isn't in English with no working spine.
I would have picked ữ
user559633
Aww, I'd pick u too!
user559633
Gosh, my screen is filthy
definitely ☃
Anyone else try out the new Deus Ex yet?
19:39
does anyone here know anything about the twitter api?
user559633
@MarcusS I've heard that it's broken out of the box and has day 1 DLC, so I'm not touching that
user559633
@Karin if there was a vending machine with a unicode snowman, i'd definitely press it
user559633
@GenericAlias sopython.com/chatroom read the room rules, notably, "just ask your question"
@AnttiHaapala you're welcome :P
19:40
@idjaw grr :d
oh ok. I won't do it next time ;)
Alright, so I'm trying to use the python twitter api wrapper to read a list of who a user is following, but at the moment I can only figure out how to do it when logged in as an authenticated user. Is there a way to access who someone is following without requiring authentication as a user?
you did 3 upvotes in a row, now I need to have at least 3 upvotes more to make sure I won't lose today because of reversal.
@ZeroPiraeus ??
wat
user559633
19:42
I didn't even know you could do that.
The hell did you guys do?
@Karin remember to get over 200 rep daily if you're close to it
only 150 days so and you will get the legendary badge
Obduction is out! Unfortunately it's Windows and Mac only. :-(
Time to build a Windows PC.
@AnttiHaapala 3 is fine usually
@davidism just played StarCraft 2 on Wine...
19:48
not for downvotes though
@AnttiHaapala I'll give it a try first, but from what I've read from the devs it's pretty resource intensive, not sure if Wine will be up to it.
You should build a Windows PC anyway because it's superior in every way.
@AnttiHaapala 150 days is a long time considering I've only been active for like two weeks XD But I definitely try to check in at least daily now to see if there are questions I can answer.
I love it how high reps be like "yo dawg do 200 rep a day, it's good for you"
what I mean is that don't stop at 180 reputation
19:51
yeah, do it like Antti and fish for pity upvotes here near the end of the day:P
@AnttiHaapala Does 3 in a row reverse? I thought the bar was higher than that.
@JRichardSnape only downvotes. For upvotes it's somewhere above
:D
well I didn't :D it was just a statement :D
we'll see when @idjaw gets deleted for being a sock puppet account of that Haapala guy;)
Python 3.6 beta 1 coming soon and no one has reviewed that BUILD_STRING patch of Serhiy yet... :/
19:53
subtle change of subject
we're watching you
well I am getting worried.
I wrote an answer saying that it will be the fastest concat method in 3.6 :D
I don't want to edit my answer.
just increment
or say LATEST_STABLE_VERSION+0.1
user559633
feature request: string pointers
19:55
what's that supposed to be?
reference language?
@davidism Looks yummy
user559633
Well, so you could just de-ref everywhere that you had referenced the thing that gets that version :)
I never did play Myst or Riven... played lighthouse though
ok ok. no more up-voting Antti.
got it.
I played Myst at the city library, good use for tax money back then.
20:05
that's hilarious. I was about to send this to you Antti: stackoverflow.com/questions/39132091/… just because it wasn't Python 3.5....and I saw you answered it
@idjaw and got to say how much I loathe python 2
I wan to give them sympathy upvotes
I did :D
"I'm backporting a modern python script to 2.4 to make it compatible with stock RHEL 5.X."
if there is one thing that I loathe more than PHP, then it must be RHELL.
I upvoted it, because it's a good question. Especially for a new user.
hmm I am now repcapped, I had only one accept today.
20:09
That's the kind of stuff that makes you wish you could give services leads to Red Hat for commission :P
No one accepts me ;(
@AnttiHaapala First I thought you meant a REPL and got thoroughly confused
SAS (stupid acronyms suck)
earned at least 200 reputation on 72 days
I accept you Antti
20:11
100%
no, 48 % towards legendary
I've never hit 200. :/
Of course, I don't really answer many questions.
@MorganThrapp because you just codegolf
I don't even do that any more. :P
I just hang out with you lot.
I have 2 answers on puzzling,
1.1k rep
100 % accept ratio
if only it was that easy on stackoverflow :D
20:14
Any good puzzles?
naah.
I hate riddles :(
it feels like every other question on puzzling is a riddle
20:32
also countless "who am I" puzzles
DSM
DSM
You are time! Isn't that always the answer?
user559633
Ξ ~ → whoami
tfisher
user559633
oh you just have an answer for everything, computer of mine
now that's a strange prompt
That's xi prompt
user559633
20:35
Changes to:
Ξ code/current_project git:(nightly) ▶
you use xi shell?
user559633
zsh, forget what theme, but i did dumb things to it too
my zsh prompt doesn't use unicode chars
I started doing my .zshrc in 90s :d
the only thing that I've made in 90s that I still use daily :D
user559633
GF made us a unicode household.
ahha :D
sorry :P
20:38
"We can't help but notice your friend who you've been bringing around is looking a little.. wide in the characters." "What are you talking about" "THIS IS A UTF-8 HOUSEHOLD"
[venv][master✗]
that branch indicator does have ✗ for dirty working copy
user559633
Haha, me too. When the toothbrush started taking up space in my bathroom, that was fine, no problem. But then I started looking at my database sizes. "Is she worth a 4x increase in storage?" I thought.
@tristan that's BS, everyone uses UTF-8 or UTF-16 on disk
user559633
Depends on your charset -- mysql uses a non-full UTF
the real trouble is that "does she need to have a computer with cyrillic keyboard"
"and if so then how am I going to use it"
user559633
20:43
OS X makes that super easy. Ctrl+alt+space switches to cyrillic and my keyboard just has little stick on things
I just keep my finger on the key and I get a selection of the accented characters I need when typing in french
that's a huge help
If I have to write something really long then I'll switch my keyboard over to french to make it faster.
Typing Vietnamese is a bit complicated, the best IME is the TELEX...
it uses those ASCII letters that aren't used in Vietnamese for word-final position to set tones and modify vowels.
user559633
I'm starting to think that tonal languages are akin to functional languages in programming.
for example phowr bof, hur tieeus
20:49
@idjaw what was your favourite Vietnamese dish
@AnttiHaapala that's hard. I have had excellent pho dishes, bun cha (I hope I'm right about that), banh mi, and there is one that for the life of me I can't remember, but it was fish based (the meat was fish).
well the last one is a bit hard :D
yeah... hehe
let me see if I can find something close to it
oh that was faster than I thought :P
pretty much this
it was a fish stew-type food. so I am assuming it was this
Abuse.
20:58
Sue me...
caramelized fish...
Betcha didn't think I could do that.
@AnttiHaapala I'm open to any recommendations.
You underestimate my power!
20:59
@idjaw everything :D
Fun fact (and potential bug) you can't deRO mods from their avatar in chat, but you can do it from the access page.
Knew it was coming.
:D:D:D:D
Interesting fact - you can do that from the avatar :)
21:00
Yes that's what I mean
let's remove everyone from room owners
let's start a new room
room 6a
can I kick jon?
21:01
That's what I meant @JonC, I can do it from the avatar for normal ROs but not for mod ROs.
@AnttiHaapala try it :)
But I can do it from the access page for all
@JonClements I can't
there is no selection for that
/kick idjaw
/join room6a
hmm
!kb idjaw
21:02
@AnttiHaapala mods can't be kicked/suspended from chat... blah blah
user559633
not with that attitude
elitism
Ahem. Jon, will you please kick yourself. There.
you're doing it wrong
Jon, would you kindly kick yourself
Strangely - can't even kick myself
@JonClements :O
wait, not even humans can do that
21:03
computer says no
it says something about "don't be crazy, dude"
let me check
@idjaw lol I don't know what should I recommend first :D
I don't shy away from food. So just write things :P
OK, I can't even find the context menu
Kinda makes sense that we can't be kicked/suspended etc... because we're normally the ones that have to go in and deal with a situation... be a bit weird if we could be kicked
21:05
@JonClements you mean fun
user559633
stackoverflow plz mods are OP. nerf asap in next release
user559633
I'm a little tea pot short and spout - here's my handle here's my sprout...
@idjaw have you tried hủ tiếu mì hoành thánh :P
a hu tieu soup with added wheat noodles, and wontons
@tristan it's okay... I can just wait until the edit window finishes and then do what I want, muhahhaha muhahahha muhahahha
user559633
21:07
^i was actually hoping you'd do that
?
no and it looks incredible. I will have to ask my friend where is the best place to have it in my area
and if he offers to make it, I will kindly say, yes. :)
you ate bun cha? meat balls with rice noodle?
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user559633
21:09
it didn't have to go this way @JonClements
@tristan don't kill the puppy!
have you tried bun cha gio, or rice noodle salad with springrolls
@AnttiHaapala I've had both bun cha and bun cha gio
@idjaw hmm what were your dietary restrictions lol :D
21:11
@tristan you're going to kill the puppy now aren't you...
restrictions? I'll say yes to whatever can be digested safely by a human.
user559633
@JonClements haha the best part is that i know not knowing will bug you
:D
:D:D:D:D
I just realized Fizzy is here and I can't share my weakness.
removed my kryptonite
:)
user559633
21:13
years of sysadmin experience have taught me that i'm only really allergic to bullshit
@tristan :p
weeks of watching Tristan's FTL stream means I know you don't care about really cool puppies :p
user559633
i opened it, took that screen shot, and closed it :)
haha, me "love you long time" :p
@idjaw I love saigon broken rice
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@JonClements lol wat
21:16
oh, since food is on topic now. @tristan this is going to be hard to do, but one of my favourite dishes. @AnttiHaapala here you go as well :)

http://bintrhodaskitchen.blogspot.ca/2013/08/how-to-make-palestinian-rolled-grape.html
@idjaw mmm :D
user559633
@idjaw oh, there's a russian version of this dish that my girlfriend knows how to make (seems like this, but without lemon or yogurt) -- if i'm remembering the type of leaf correctly
My mom would make a pot of that, but she would put lamb tongue after every layer so it would be slow cooked all day with the vine leaves
@idjaw how about bò kho
I haven't had either saigon broken rice or bò kho
21:18
bò kho, slow-cooked beef stew ^
@idjaw I've always chuckled (being a meat eater) - "spare" ribs... fairly sure the animal didn't really have them "spare"...
definitely waiting until traffic dies down now. It is supposed to take me 45 minutes to get home in traffic and with all this food talk...I will not survive
@idjaw work 30 seconds from your desk... easy :p
user559633
(fwiw: "spare ribs" comes to english via the homonym "spear" as in that piece of meat used to be cooked on a spear)
@idjaw broken rice is the worker's lunch street buffet in saigon
21:21
@tristan up for some worms/duke?
user559633
i had a couple red bulls and rice krispie treats hoping to perk up. now i wish i just ate normal food
user559633
@JonClements working :/
working!? That exists does it :p
user559633
my attention span has been rubbish lately. i think it's too humid/hot.
@idjaw this is actually cantonese:
Mì Vịt Tiềm
duck
21:23
I've had something very similar to that.
@AnttiHaapala I had a home made quiche with potato salad and coleslaw
but wonton is also Cantonese :P
Trying to get the house seller to not be weird
@RobertGrant ?
user559633
@RobertGrant just put on the outfit and take the photos. what do you care what she does with them?
21:38
I had palacsinta, just now
user559633
Oh cool, what did you use for filling?
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Is it that chicken in spicy gravy or the spicy cheese dip ? If it is neither one of those, then I don't care
user559633
@randomhopeful lol
user559633
i'm taking that format and using it from now on
@AndrasDeak I read that as "I had placenta"
user6568562
21:42
@tristan Healthy shmealthy, we wanna taste the paiiiiin lol
user559633
I forgot that I was on a cooking website and saw "One-on-One with the Chopped Teen Tournament, Battle 1 Winner" in the side bar and legitimately my brain freaked out for a few seconds
user6568562
They've got keep the ratings up, you know
Neither, gents:P
And good night. I'll be at a conference in the next two days without my laptop, so expect my intermittent presence with a slow stream of typos.
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Nice [ : Have a good time. Laters [ :
user559633
Have a good time Andras!
21:56
thanks, will try;)
I expect the quality of my time to be inversely proportional to my presence here. As long as there's a charger in the lecture room:D
user559633
Whoa, your avatar just changed.
user559633
user559633
hax
21:58
It's a problem with Gravatar.
user559633
quit hacking the planet, hackerman
I still see the green everywhere
user559633
new favorite cat feature: walks into room and directly into my leg when it's food time
user6568562
22:25
That tail in a upside down L must be adorable though : P
user559633
the previous feature that she has upgraded from is biting a wire across the room until I get up and chase her
user6568562
To her defense, the wire started it : D
user6568562
Good night, everybody [ :
user559633
night!
22:43
ahh zzz time
night.
user559633
night to you as well

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