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15:02
"[Title of DSM's screenplay] Nights" is a spin-off set in 1970s Miami, where Kelvin is a police detective looking for something to prove.
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Dunno how well that title would work. It was called "Not that Kind of Doctor", ripped off from a discussion we were having about whether or not those of us who aren't MDs should use the title. I guess "Not that Kind of Night" isn't a bad title, but more for a book or an episode than a series.
Not that Kind of Doctor: Special Victims Unit
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.. am I the only one for whom the "when said by" box never seems to work on the chat history search page?
Now, what reason shall we give to close this?
Nvm, OP deleted it
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"It was another one of those nights. I'd just waltzed into Martijn's and ordered a club and a drink, when in strolls Kelvin, looking for me, as usual. It smelled like a setup, he had some quips jotted down on his pad, and he was eyeballing the papers looking for easy puns."
15:10
"That was a real whale of a case", he said. "Sorry, I guess that one doesn't make sense without the context."
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See, if you just stick enough of those together, you've got yourself a story.
How hard could it possibly be???
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All you need is the time, see. If you had the free time, it'd be easy.
@Kevin That's what she said.
Good thing I always keep in my wallet this miniature graph explaining the Mohs hardness scale.
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15:16
@PM2Ring: for some reason "not with that attitude" has become the default response in the office, used in all contexts, both where it makes sense and where it doesn't.
"Hey, you want to go to Chipotle for lunch?" "Pfft, not with that attitude"
@PM2Ring lol :D
I've been listening to / watching Dweezil Zappa for the last half hour or so, so I'm in a silly mood.
Hi all. sorry
cbg
@thefourtheye Are you going to home?
Home? You mean the place where I live in Chennai?
15:22
@DSM And if you were easy you'd have free time
@MartijnPieters poke
@thefourtheye No, to Madurai..
Nope, its been 9 months since I went home :(
@Unihedron You mean @(MartijnPieters|poke) ?
@thefourtheye Why?
any family probs?
Nothing like that, mostly because I am spending my time with my computer only :)
15:24
heya @Unihedron - long time no see here
Hello hello! :)
I would love to hop between chat rooms more often, had time off from my projects so I thought I'd give it a shot now :P
Well - welcome to the best room on chat.so... (forgive the bias)
@Unihedron any help from me ..
15:25
@JonClements 100% not biased at all ;)
@AvinashRaj not sure :p
@BhargavRao Hi Bhargav..
Hi @Avinash Howyadoin?
ya, I'm doing gud..
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@tristan: your C+ question led to many entertaining comments. Well done.
@Unihedron semi-poke back.
kinda in the middle of things, only half an eye on this.
15:40
@MartijnPieters ok hi
Why did you delete this?
I thought livestreaming coding would be dull enough. Livestreaming answering SO questions sounds even worse.
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@davidism: we'll never know if livestreaming coding is exciting until we see less forest and more coding..
Yeah yeah, I want to finish the boring parts of the API so I can get to using it to do cool things.
It's a nice forest though. It's a still from Bakemonogatari.
@Unihedron: it was flagged as Not An Answer.
In the end, it was just a joke answer, it didn't address the question, and could just as easily have been done as a comment.
I agree, I just wanted to hear your judgement, thanks
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15:47
@davidism: very much enjoyed Bakemonogatari. Kimi no shiranai monogatari is one of my favourite songs of the past decade. And I even enjoyed Katanagatari, TBH.
I'm waiting for the prequel movie, which will be amazing. But the later seasons have been way more hit and miss than the first.
I enjoyed whichever "monogatari" is the first one, right up until the toothbrush scene.
Toothbrush was second season.
I might have not watched the first season then. Whatever I saw, never actually explained how the main character became hover for spoilers
It was merely demonstrated by way of a stapler and a vulnerable body part.
@Unihedron Glad you agree. :-)
15:50
@Kevin it's not explained in Bakemonogatari (the first), except for a very brief preview of what will be the prequel movie at the beginning of the first episode.
Oh, good :-)
Maybe I'll pick it up again... I really dig the visuals
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I really like the dropped into an unexplained world/in medias res play.
I remembered it while I was watching Madoka, which has similarly out-there architecture.
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@DSM Cheers :)
Wow, They made even abc.fail after abc.wtf :D
15:52
Why do those redirect to Bing? Am I missing something?
abc.xyz is the website for ABC Corp
Google became Alphabet and registered abc.xyz
@Kevin That reminds me of an old Usenet Oracle post. See post 1004-05
"Doesn't fly very well." Not with that attitude.
Do you want a screenshot of the answer? — vaultah 1 min ago
Heh.
15:59
Yes please vaultah — MichaelMelin 1 min ago
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Listening to Harry Potter on audio book. I have just realized, after all these years, that "Diagon Alley" is a homonym for "Diagonally".
Come on. we were all thinking it.
16:02
I wanted to do a D with a two-dot diacritical over it, but I don't know how to unicode :-(
@davidism I, too, was a late realizer of that fact. Took me a couple years after the last book.
I never realized that.
Well, the stress is all wrong so it's hard to pick out
Do you have the answer vaultah? — MichaelMelin 45 secs ago
Come on...
After being very disappointed at the fourth and fifth movies, I never watched the last three. Just watched them, and they were way better adaptations.
@davidism Now say "Knocturn Alley" as one word.
16:03
@Kevin D̈
@PM2Ring dammt - beat me to it!
@PM2Ring :-O
@MartijnPieters Thanks :-)
This is what happens when you read everything in "quotes" @davidism
Did they just really screw up the pronunciation in the movies? I never noticed it when they say it in the movies.
16:05
Well, in the movies it's DIA-gon Alley.
@JonClements :D
@MorganThrapp don't get me started on Philisopher->Sorcerers :p
although - Sorcerers Stone does sound better (nice bit of alliteration there)
It really does.
however, since Flammel was a Philisopher...
I am enjoying Stephen Fry reading Harry Potter to me. He is very good.
16:07
I really need to listen to that some time.
Stephen Fry is awesome at reading (and a lot of things actually)
He's awesome at everything
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He can even play the Prime Minister convincingly.
@DSM you got around to watching "The Thick Of It" yet?
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@JonClements: nope!
16:11
You need to then!
Fry sometimes gets a little "know it all" for my liking. I enjoy a radio show where the panel has to take a stab at what "old archaic" words might mine
Oh, this is mean :c
s/mean/hilarious/g
...but I like it
and of course - they're really words no-one has really heard of - you certainly wouldn't use them in modern English...
so most of the panel has to be given hints or take a stab and they sometimes get there, sometimes not - and that's part of the fun
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Yeah, but I don't think it's funny enough to overcome the not-constructive barrier. (That is, if something is really awesome, I tend to let it alone.)
@JonClements: will give it a try at some point, although I do tend to prefer scripted stuff.
16:14
he's just... "I think this was written the first time in a book by XYZ in 1274 and it refers to XYZ... and the interesting thing is - that author later pioneered the word XYZ which didn't come into popular parlance until it was discovered by XYZ circa 1390"
@DSM oh it's scripted - and it's awesome (as long as you're not easily offended)
Should this be closed? It's not exactly clear what the question is: stackoverflow.com/q/32014260/541136
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Am I missing something? The answer here is just a doc dump, and I don't think it applies directly because there's no format corresponding to an arbitrary-length integer. You could use the struct module to extract some subintegers and then combine them, but the answer doesn't explain how.
@poke: aww, I was going to suggest sum(x<<(i*8) for i, x in enumerate(value)), and you beat me. :-/
Hey up again
rhubarb
16:41
CBG!
@DSM Sorry :(
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Ah, well, the str-int trick is cute too.
Yeah… and it’s 5 times faster… >_<
I have saved QueryDict itself in row of my database. Is that a bad idea ?
ok... so if I want to setup my CI to do a build (and its using docker to do the build) how do I get the final build out of docker? (Im really really new to docker (I just installed it))
and my 2 seconds of google revealed nothing major and figured one of you might know something before I go back to google
ok I set a bad precident there ... you should wait longer than 16 minutes to come ping in here for help (like 24 hours) ... everyone in here is watching the questions anyway
@znawca please see the chatroom rules about posting links to new questions - sopython.com/chatroom
Please don't take my unresponsiveness for disrespect.
Sounds fine, I'd possible say "mistake" instead of "take"
Ta @Ffisegydd
In fact I'd say "Please don't take my lack of response for disrespect", but yours is perfectly fine.
Or "lack of reply" depending on the context.
16:57
It's for my "about" field (in chat)
In which case it should probably be "Fizzy is awesome."
"Fizzy is love, fizzy is life" would be even better.
But, you know, whatever
I needed a short (and more respectful) way to say "Don't expect me to reply to every message because it takes me forever to compose a grammatically tolerable sentence and I'm not even sure this sentence is one of them."
I'm betting the actual problem has something to do with serialization. Homebrew JSON or similar.
17:05
@vaultah in which case I'd go with "Blessed is he who I deign to converse with."
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deign is a great word, very underused.
it's demonstrably daintily deliciously divulgently dapper
17:34
cbg all
Today the boss asked whether we should upgrade our project to use widget frobbing framework 1.5 over our current widget frobbing framework 1.3.
It's a third-party dependency that a handful of our pages require to render.
On one hand, 1.5 has bug fixes and shiny new features and looks a bit nicer. On the other hand, the API changed a lot and refactoring our glue code may take approximately infinity hours.
so....flip a coin? ;)
Maybe I can say "upgrade, but only if [coworker] does it"
What's the deal with the for-else loop in Repeat function does not work with list Python?
Is there any reason to have the else there? Seems like it always executes.
17:52
I have so many question about that question.
This question upsets me and I no longer wish to associate with it.
so in his case: I think he is trying to say (psuedo) if item is not empty: run for loop else run rroll = ....
That seems like a reasonable guess at what he wants to happen, but I don't think that's actually happening.
Stop trying to make for-else happen. It's not going to happen. </mean-girls>
oh, what is happening is that range(1) cannot be empty so it never runs
actually just tested it runs both the for and the else once
remember kids, just say "NO" to for/else
Say no to for else... Or else!
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18:04
One of our own members, holdenweb, was famous as a for-else sceptic.
I just showed someone how to use super to find the next in line from the current instance in whatever parent's method it is in. I think it also demonstrates the necessity of super for cooperative multiple inheritance. hopes that doesn't come off as bragging
I always just do ParentClass.function_name(self, args) because I'm a rube
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Over the last few days I've boasted of my excellent vote ratio and my mad screenplay skillz. Mentioning a super answer seems perfectly reasonable by comparison.
The questioner didn't use a question mark, and I started with a literal answer to the implied X question. Here's a link, I think it's interesting, and our room members might get something out of it: stackoverflow.com/a/32014350/541136
18:20
I rewrote like half of someone's repo in a fork... time to PR and be super annoying!
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"i'm using different code than what i posted. and yeah I just ran this test code and it works"
Can we put a question submission hook in that checks for a "?"?
By the way, I like for-else. It's really cool when you need it.
Well score, he actually accepted it! Amazeballs.
18:47
Then people will figure that out and just load it with question marks
One would hope they'll be smart enough to put it in the right place.
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This tag excerpt edit keeps bugging me. Everywhere except the excerpt revision history (and probably the edit window when he made it), the markdown is non-functional. Can we roll back to revision 3?
either suggest a rollback - or any 20k users can do it
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@JonClements No way to suggest a rollback, unless you just mean suggest an equivalent edit
18:56
oh yeah... no rollbacks on suggested edits
done it now
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Mah hero!
wouldn't go that far :)
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Well, "my cabbage" is kind of taken
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talk slides and code "done"
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19:01
Jul 15 at 23:18, by tristan
i'll have a talk for you to go through in less than a month
You almost missed the deadline, young padawan
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I know! I was getting really stressed.
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I'm going to present it twice today in preparation for Sunday
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Remember that things always take longer in production than they do in practice. Never a bad idea to force yourself to cut a slide or two.
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@DSM Definitely. I'm giving myself 3 extra minutes for when I present for "keepsies"
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19:08
How long's your time slot? 3 minutes sounds like you're skimping on you. And if there's one thing I've learned from popular media, it's that you do you.
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25 minutes
Here's the super object, all the way at the end of typeobject.c: hg.python.org/cpython/file/default/Objects/typeobject.c#l7315
"Death to the opposition!" heheh...
Anybody know how you make a repr for a class (instance of a type) in Python 3?
19:24
Don't you just define __repr__?
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I feel someone asked that here sometime in the last year.
Ah, maybe this?
oh, it works
Why didn't it work earlier?
>>> class Type(type):
...     def __repr__(cls):
...         return cls.__name__
...
>>> class Object(object, metaclass=Type): 'demo
...
>>> Object
Object
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Probably Python changed between the two times you tried it.
I blame Windows
Python is blameless, it has never let me down.
Maybe I should change my example...
Python2's metaclass is like:
class Object(object):
   __metaclass__=Type
so my answer could be cross compatible with:
Object = Type(Object, (bases), namespace)
thoughts?
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@DSM That's why I like functional languages, releases have no side effects
19:34
I'm seriously considering changing my answer so that it has that. Maybe I should just do it both ways instead. It's not actually code, after all.
__metaclass__ is ignored in 3.x
Scoobie snack for Jon! :)
Stupid psuedocode typos....
How can you get how many bytes are in a given directory quickly?
someone said scooby snack... where's the snack, where's the snack, where's the snack.... runs around the room
19:50
rbrb
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@corvid du?
@Air yeah that one worked: du -c
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I thought there was a summary option, but maybe you have to do du -c | grep "total"
I know I looked this up just a week or two ago
I looked it up but apparently the ubuntu options are different than the apple ones
I thought it was -sb
but...
20:00
Ooo, just looking through docs I found something nifty for my project
yeah, that should do it on ubuntu: du -sb
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@JonClements Oh yeah, -s is right there in the man page. Uh... there was a... bright spot on my monitor covering that line
20:43
Wow - The Fugees have come on random play
been a while
Killing Me Softly - great cover of Roberta Flack
21:06
Palindrome!
There we go. I wonder why one downvote didn't take?
22:04
anyone have experience with travis-ci or gitlab-ci ... is there a way to have different before_script directives depending on if its a branch or a tag?
22:14
The source is strong with this one.
@JoranBeasley did you get that ^^^^
yeah that will work i guess. ... sort of dislike though ... oh and it probably wont work cause blah.sh probably runs in a shell and I need to set some env ... thanks anyway :/
or no i can make it work I guess :P
That's the spirit.
I just need to print the output ... and capture it into the environmental var
You know how to thank me. Set up an cron job that daily gives me a plus one. :D
I need to reed a book on git i feel like I am still lacking some fundamental understanding of how to use branching and merging ...
(correctly)
I can use them just fine
22:19
I'm sure you could teach me all about it. We use a very simple monolithic version control.
but I always merge back in to the master which would overwrite the setup.sh of the master ... I wonder if there is a way to --merge-ignore files or something
I bet there is ...
I'm assuming you mean besides .git-ignore
or a merge strategy specifically for the file
N.B. I've read about these and had to use it once before, but don't use them regularly, so not sure how common or good they are
sounds like I need a merge driver
or git merge --no-commit and then reset HEAD and checkout before final commit
22:27
ouch im trying to make this mostly painless
I think adding .git-attributes in the "master" with a dummy driver sounds like the way to go ... I just wish they had a way I could mark it entirely from within the project... (sounds like I need to go to the server to run the git config --global merge.ours.driver true
if you havent run that will that attribute just be ignored? or will it fail spectacularly? I guess I'll find out soon
As is the nature of git - I've had both happen to me
22:54
@JoranBeasley If you hail from the land of rcs/cvs/subversion as I do, there are a few things about transitioning to git that aren't really covered in the stock tutorial(s) and discussions...
@PatrickMaupin was tasked once by my employer to put everything into "Visual Source Safe"
quite a learning experience for the company, as no one actually knew where anything was
@JonClements Thanks. Now I have to go see my therapist about all those repressed memories you brought back.
I was managing a team of about 50 at that point
"as no one actually knew where anything was" -- how is this different than SharePoint?
almost lost the job by standing up and saying it's b*
23:04
@JonClements Not only have I always managed to avoid management (though not tech lead duties), the guy who proved he could manage me went straight from me being his only employee to being the director of engineering.
was proverbially browning my underwear when I got called into the MDs office the next day
In 1994, I had a terrible boss who managed to burn out my (job-related) fear circuits. They just don't function any more. That's partly a bad thing; OTOH the people at my current job fully understand that all they have to do to get me to quit is assign me the wrong manager.
If you've got the right manager/lead it's extremely valuable
I'm glad my first manager was one of those guys who was good at IT and management - so rare but really gave me a good intro to the IT world
Yeah, it took me a long time to figure that out, because it just didn't seem to matter for the longest time.
23:11
oh, in my first team lead role, the team manager and I came to shall we say "differences of opinion"
I remember when we almost lost him because he put his foot down on hiring for IT (then MIS) department - refused to hire outside when it was possible to promote from within. Which is how I got my first programming position.
The director of engineering who used to be my direct boss knows the game. He didn't actually want to manage, but was leery of bad managers, so he stepped up. He's a great guy, but his skills are different than mine, so occasionally it's frustrating when he wants to "simplify" things to make schedules easier when I've already got 90% of the "hard" thing done.
Anyway... I got "promoted" to a director of that company
lurks really hard - oops
then took a year off... then spent a year as "Head Of Data Services" at another
23:18
@JonClements That's an interesting story.
My worst co-worker ever story is from when I was a contractor. I had been an employee; the company couldn't afford me, so we came to an arrangement where I contracted for them and (mostly) one of their biggest customers. That freed up enough cash for them to hire a cheaper guy who I naturally had to interface with a lot.
After about a year, I went to the owner of the company and explained I wasn't having any fun and would have to go elsewhere. He told me "Well, Pat, I need a programmer on the staff." and since they had more cash coming in at that point, I said "Well we can talk about that," and the next day they had a different staff programmer.
I use to only half-joke that the reason I didn't throw that guy through the window was that we were on the ground floor.
He's the kind of guy, that when you open up the newspaper (not that I do that anymore) and look at the front page, and see that someone's pissed of his daughter's boyfriend so much that the boyfriend goes to his truck and gets a gun and shoots and kills the daughter and puts the guy in the hospital for a couple of weeks, your first reaction is "Oh, him. Poor kid. I hope they go easy on him."
That was 10 years after I worked with him. Apparently he didn't change much.
sigh How hard is it to properly format code?
It gets easier.
23:35
There, I fixed it. YW
Well.. anyway..
:)
You would have had +2 if you had done it. :P
@PatrickMaupin So you found them someone for a bonus? :)
Ah, voting power is good.
@AaronHall I wasn't eligible for the bonus until I was an employee again, and by then the position had been filled.
@AaronHall, I know. I was going to, but I just wanted to complain first :P.
23:48
What sort of things did he do to earn your ire?
Anybody need me to downvote anything? I'm feeling generous.
Surely there's a line of answers that needs sorting.
I've got two more downvotes to hand out.
ok, used up!
that's 21 downvotes today!
It's sad that really old crappy answers sometimes get more than a vote a year.
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