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20:00
My new hobby: asking people what's going great.
DSM
DSM
When future historians look back on Python, I think they're all going to be surprised it failed because of a fracture caused by a mocking library API.
@DSM fortunately this is not so widely used
unlike datetime :D
s/Python/human civilization/
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"My name is Tristan. I've been using Python for a little under 3 years and I have no hobbies. When I imagine how a majority of my friends appear, I think of their online avatars. Can we please focus on my Python talk instead?"
I know not what python 3 will be compiled with, but python 4 will be compiled with sticks and stones.
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20:03
Talk intro: nailed it.
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@Ffisegydd python3 is compiled mostly with exec and eval calls to create bytecode.
DSM
DSM
@Ffisegydd: ooh, I got that reference!
@tristan I would use that, except the last sentence. It's true, it's direct, and it's funny.
Cabbage all :D
user559633
@WayneConrad Cool, I'll switch out that sentence for "Wayne, the Otter, suggested that I use this description"
20:06
For anyone who is not educated like DSM quotationspage.com/quote/329.html
"... of their online avatars. [squint for effect] I don't see any of them in the audience this evening"
> The specific typo that is checked is the only one that changes the spelling without also changing the overall length and shape of the word.
@tristan Haha! Or, "Wayne, an otter, approved this intro."
DSM
DSM
Shape of the word?
I’m not convinced of that statement.
20:07
@poke That gets debunked in pretty short order.
We should convince Aaron to print out some avatars and stick them on seats for moral support.
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Python 4 will be compiled with stacks and zeros.
@ZeroPiraeus Oh, good. Was about to do the same. I should finish the thread first..
user559633
@AaronHall or make a cardboard background that you wear like backpack and lean against the back wall while i talk
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20:08
it's like when a frog is put in a jar with twigs and leaves to recreate his environment
He could paste avatars to little sticks and hand them to audience members. "OK, you get to be Wayne. Now and then, I want you to hold up your avatar and mumble something irrelevant about how Ruby would do it."
I might be running around like a crazed volunteer at that point.
user559633
@AaronHall Yeah, woof, let me know if I can help on game day
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WHY IS THERE NO KEVIN PROVIDING HEHS AND HAHS
@Zero I keep reading “ass rat” in my mind… >_<
DSM
DSM
20:09
I think it's been a while since two sopythonauts (?) were in the same place at the same time.
I was thinking more of an MST3K role where my silhouette riffs on you from the front row
user559633
@DSM Yes please use pythonauts.
@DSM Is that safe? Are sopythonauts fissionable?
user559633
I've been trying to make it a thing since I started with Python.
Bob is coming to the UK for a week but not sure we will have time to stalk him.
user559633
20:11
if pythonauts.com wasn't taken, i would have started a python consulting company
user559633
related: checkrepublic.com
Pythonistas and sopythonauts are the two I've always used.
DSM
DSM
I think the Inspector and I were once within a few miles of each other, although we didn't know it at the time.
user559633
Pythonista is the most official I think.
Yeah it is
20:12
I think corvid and I have been in PA at the same time.
@tristan My brother always wanted to open a restaurant called czech please.
user559633
@MorganThrapp uh that's amazing
@tristan I agree.
user559633
When I'm a ten thousandaire, i'm going to dump it all into a metal music bar named Dubbel Bass
What's pythonic though? ;)
20:13
Spam & spam?
Pythonic is the laughter of a child. It is a leaf on the wind. It is the sound of one hand clapping.
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@AaronHall I don't like spam!
The last time I heard "leaf on a wind" bad things happened ;_;
Can someone explain to me what “benevolent dictator for one PEP” is referring to?
20:19
BDFL delegate. Has Guido-like powers for that PEP.
Not a direct answer, but: python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401
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20:34
@ZeroPiraeus Benevolent Delegator for Life
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this talk is pretty intense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IzXcjHs-P8

python bytecode
I’m through the thread now. Meh.
@poke Did you have a cranial meltdown?
I’m disappointed by how it went…
And I just now realized that you’re the Ethan from the thread, heh… I’m slow.
@poke what we gonna do with ya hey?
20:48
It’s just disappointing that a single opinion can still make the API that dirty just because they doesn’t bother to say “this patch is okay”…
@JonClements I think I’ll go to bed a bit earlier today, maybe that helps…
Well... what was it - 1/2 you went last night? :p
@JonClements Put him in time-out over in the Ruby room. That'll learn 'im.
@Jon Something like that, yeah, but the day before was worse.
@Wayne Fun fact: I was RO of the ruby room once
I think Kevin still is? :)
What's an example of a well constructed Python package that comes with a utility program? I'm having trouble figuring out how to structure it; an example would help.
20:50
think badger girl when a little over board at the start just adding people from here and copy ;)
Utility as in executable?
@Jon She was just trying to start some momentum… using people who don’t have any authority about Ruby :P
@JonClements She went overboard when she added me, I'd say. But some cleanup of room owners does need to be done. I've just hesitated because... well, I don't know. Because I know many of the absentee owners and like 'em. That's all.
Like I said earlier, my initial reaction didn't help. Still, it is disheartening that folks can't step back and say, "oh, yeah, that's not real cool -- let's fix it!" I freely admit I've had to change things that worked just fine for the short-term but didn't make long-term sense.
@Ethan OT: In 2012, I filed a bug and requested a feature. You wrote a PEP and implemented it. Thank you for doing all that.
@WayneConrad I won't claim it's well-constructed (it's very old and I haven't looked at it in ages) but csx is at least small and simple enough to be some kind of example.
20:58
@WayneConrad Turns out it was very fortunate she did? :p
@WayneConrad Actually scratch that, it's hideous.
DSM
DSM
I've been looking at that "merge sorted iterators" question (here). How does this look as a generalization? Am I missing anything obvious?
Just found out someone who had started coming to the meetups just killed herself last night.
@poke You're welcome. :)
@AaronHall That's awful
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21:05
@AaronHall That's too bad. I hope you're handling it alright.
She threw herself off of a building.
user559633
That's her.
@JonClements It's very kind of you to say that. I push the broom and keep the floors clean. The other people in the room are what make it great.
@Wayne hey... don't put yourself down... if you hadn't hang around and make an attempt - it's possible others wouldn't have bothered and they'd be no crowd there now
21:10
Actually, I think janitor is a noble role. It's hard to have a good meeting place if it's unkept.
How does the Python room retire absentee room owners? Is there a rule or process?
user559633
@WayneConrad We email the person to make sure that he is alright.
@ZeroPiraeus I'm looking at it anyhow :)
@DSM resorting to extending pandas HTMLFormatter...
Oof, that doesn't sound pretty (butts in with no context, remembering df.to_html pain)
Re-cbg all, btw.
Very sorry to hear that @AaronHall, immensely sad.
cbg J Richard and.... wow, that's tragic Aaron.
DSM
DSM
21:20
@Jon: :-/ Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Hi @AlexanderHuszagh
@DSM no worries... :)
Alright, time for the Ruby guy to go. Thanks for your help, jokes, and encouragement today. Until tomorrow, rbrb.
rbrb @Wayne!
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take care @WayneConrad oops i mean square box otter man wayne
21:23
Rhrb Wayne, puts "Wayne out of Python chat"
I think I did one Ruby lesson and forgot it all.
user559633
room_users.pop :)
21:34
I’m off to bed, rhubarb!
user559633
Night @poke!
g'ngiht
Rbhrb poke
user559633
I'm taking off as well. I hope you all have good nights.
21:43
ditto @tristan
Ayo!
Why does [0].append(1) give None, rather than [0,1]?
Because append changes the list in-place
It doesn't return the list, it modifies it in place.
re-cbg
Ohhhhh.
Thanks.
21:51
gotta go, rhubarb guys
I'm off too, hold the fort.
rbrb both
BTW Should we downvote answers that are slow compared to other answers?
Performance-wise? Nah, just don't upvote them if the performance hit is serious (and a comment about that could be good).
DSM
DSM
Being able to do something, even if it's slow, is better than not being able to do anything. So an answer which works in some cases but maybe not in big cases because it's too slow can still be useful. As a result, I don't usually downvote merely for performance. (Even when something is N^3 and it only needs to be O(1), which happened once, I think.)
Here I receive a dv because my answer is O(n2). I have now added a few points.
Do I need to add any more stuff?
DSM
DSM
21:58
I'm positive that's a dup of something.
Then that's awesome.
We can cv it. I can delete my ans ;)
DSM
DSM
I'm sure I've written something like
>>> d = {v: k for k,v in enumerate(OrderedDict.fromkeys(A1), 1)}
>>> [d[a] for a in A1]
[1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 5, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 4]
for another question in the past.
Was it your answer?
DSM
DSM
I dunno. I sometimes just add a comment to someone else's rather than writing an answer which would only differ by a line.
Then it's difficult to find the dupe :(
22:04
@DSM what ya doing?
DSM
DSM
@Jon: right now, trying to find this dup..
Can edit the title to make it a bit more general?
Reading that
DSM
DSM
That's the same thing, although that OP doesn't care about the details of the mapping, simply that there is one, so the accepted answer doesn't quite apply.
Yeah. Jon's answer is the dupe there
But it answers the question so I guess we can make that as a target
22:09
I only remember that because it's one of the last 3 I've answered in 2 weeks! And it didn't get accepted!
You've become busy pups
DSM
DSM
Okay, my brain is now shutting down, and it's past six. Time to go have one of those too-neutral smoothies people accuse me of drinking and head home.
have a safe journey
DSM
DSM
Rhubarb for all!
rbrb DSM
Now time for my tour of [r] ;)
22:20
@BhargavRao haha... have fun :p
22:31
this blender python console is nifty
23:22
new to django-cms trying to get it running but when I python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 I get a stacktrace error. whenever I fix one error I get a new error.
Instead of asking new questions each time can someone help me work through it?
I am working with vagrant here. so if someone can recommend a box that just works. that would be awesome
23:48
is there a builtin test to see if something is a real number (ie not nan or inf?)
There's math.isinf() and math.isnan() ...

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