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17:00
okay, but you will only notice them, when you are in need
Distance communication is almost lightspeed.
and? what if you have distance communication?
is it a better thing? is it better for what?
Our knowledge about the Universe, Science, Maths, Technology has drastically increased.
why is it better that I know, that someone killed in the middle east -- faster.
fifty years ago, if you were gay in an intolerant community, then you simply could do nothing but stay in the closet your whole life or be ostracized. Nowadays, you can hop online and find a group of supportive people in seconds.
17:01
Distance communication is better, so that we can always call for help to people who can help!
Everything has a bright side & a dark side.
that's what I'm talking about
there's always a dark side
sure, we can improve things
@DSM we do talk about Python occasionally btw - just appears I missed the announcement it was philosophical debate about the progression of our species hour :)
like we did before
but that new stuff brings a lot more other bad things in
We all have both evil & good inside us, it's what we choose to act upon, that defines us.
so actually they really don't help
17:03
But the new stuff improves our knowledge & our ability to reason & think about stuff from a different angle!
@AshishNitinPatil no offence but this is bullshit
Well, that was a quote form HP, but never mind.
@AshishNitinPatil yeah, so we have a freater spectrum, where we can see greater problems
I hope that one day, geneticists find and eradicate the gene that makes people jerks ;-)
problems that could be solved and the solution will raise greater problems again
17:04
@Kevin me too - I don't like competition
More & more people have access to education, which was not the case previously, which is why we might be better off now than we were before.
But seriously. Human nature hasn't changed since we left the trees, but that doesn't mean we can't change it ourselves
There is hope! There always is!
@AshishNitinPatil :):)
@AshishNitinPatil we educate people -- but do you know why?
to fit into OUR democracy..
because WE THINK that WE KNOW BETTER
and our socialisation is the ultimate prototype of how things should work
@PeterVaro I know what you might say, but, you can only imprison a body, not the mind.
17:06
brb
but is it?
that is the thing that concerns me a lot
Just came back from dinner. Can't help but notice that the moon is still up. What's up with that @Kevin?
we are working, not because we want to, but because we need to
Umm... I'd love to take part in this philosophising but it's only 5pm, and normally I only really have an opinion about this after a couple of pints.... can we re-schedule for say 10-10:30pm ? :)
@PeterVaro Me too, but that's how it is now, it might change for better later on. All we can do is hope AND do all the good we can.
DSM
DSM
17:08
@JonClements: it'll be interesting to see the results. Do you have access to the deleted answers too? I tend to delete my answer if an equivalent one is posted at about the same time -- even sometimes if the first answer is wrong, I'll just comment instead -- and I'm curious to know whether that's the usual practice.
@JonClements :) but I'm in an existential trouble here..
@AshishNitinPatil so you say, we have to wait and hope.. well, I say, we have to act -- although I don't know what to do
@PeterVaro I forgot to emphasize the AND in the previous comment.
Intoxicants often help achieve focus for such topics you know.
Just saying. :P
@DSM yup... basically I have a complete history of the questions life... so - will also have deleted comments and all revisions of the question and answer... The other thing I'm interested in is to see if I can do any classification of questions to 1) Identify duplicates upon posting and 2) see if it's something that usually gets closed and why... The idea being I'll adapt the bot I wrote for this room, to be a feed into this room of highly likely off-topic/duplicate questions
@AshishNitinPatil ?
There is hope. I've held this hope in my hands. I told you harvesting the planet's core was suicide. Look to the stars as our ancestors did.
17:12
@AshishNitinPatil okay, I looked up in the dictionary..
It's too late for us now. Give me access to the codex and I can ensure the survival of our race
so it's alcohol then :)
@DSM So extending something I was working on to identify spam posts from that idiot we had that kept hitting the python and wsgi tags and moaning about Iraq or something
maybe I should go to grab some..
:D
@PeterVaro I was referring to @JonClements's previous comment.
17:13
@inspectorG4dget which codex?
Lol, @Peter it was a referrence to the movie (I forgot the name of)
I was quoting Russel Crowe (Jor El) from Man of Steel (the newest Superman movie)
oh.. what a shitty movie that was..
:S
anyway.. I pretty desperate here..
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
@JonClements thanks.. this solved everything.
17:15
C'mon! @PeterVaro, that was an /awesome/ movie. Granted, Amy Adams could have done a better job
I liked it, especially the part after the movie when I had to push my car because of dead batteries :)
@PeterVaro The dark lord Cthulhu will always solve your problems.
Felt like a Superman :D
:):):)
oh no yeah! @AshishNitinPatil
17:16
three hyphens either side does this
@inspectorG4dget use --- sometext ---
Thanks @PeterVaro. I was looking up the html for it
This is a test
it is working ^ :)
@JonClements: @Kevin hasn't blow'd up the moon yet. I suspect substandard nukes were involved
17:19
I suppose they were deliberately trying to preserve Neil Armstrong's footprints :P
@inspectorG4dget I'm still waiting for a cup of tea from @Kevin... apparently the low-orbit tea cannon designed to deposit it into my cup is misaligned... I don't like to mention it, but I think he over-engineered the problem...
I'm loving this conversation
@Peter there you go - do what us English folk do... every problem is solved by a cup of tea :)
really?
well, depends on what kind of tea
17:21
and what type of biscuit you're going to serve it with
There are 2 types... alcoholic & workaholic
I am disappointed - autocomplete on my IDE doesn't know the names of the variables I want to use and am just defining for the first time
@Ashish what if I worked hard at being constantly drunk?
Then it might be something like WorkalcoHOLYc
@inspectorG4dget until "autocomplete" reads my mind as to what I want to write, and writes it for me... I reckon it should go and get another name
17:22
@AshishNitinPatil: yes, that would be a workaholic working at a brewery
@inspectorG4dget I have wild-cherry flavoured black tea and sour-cherry flavoured fruit tea -- are these working?
@PeterVaro You are the jude for that!
@PeterVaro: holy geez! That sounds delicious. I can haz plz?
@Peter it has to be served in the right cup as well
@inspectorG4dget *Can I haz plz?
17:23
@JonClements: agreed. So much!
@AshishNitinPatil is now known as grammarbot
@JonClements small glass cup, ancient chinese clay cup and a modern black ceramic cup -- that is my collection
@PeterVaro is missing a stone cup
@inspectorG4dget Noooooooooooooooooooo... although there might be an OCD somewhere suppressed in the dark corners of my mind.
@inspectorG4dget grrr -- I knew I had to buy that one too
@AshishNitinPatil at least OCD isn't as bad as CDO
17:25
@inspectorG4dget yes you can.. are you near to hungary?
:)
@JonClements *OCD I really do have an OCD.
What's CDO (hope it wasn't pun)
I was on a plane and away from email for about 30 hours. How do I have >100 email?
CDO is someone who has OCD, but is so OCD, they have to even organise the letters in OCD in order :)
Glad my OCD levels aren't that high! :D
@inspectorG4dget news flash - this may come as a shock, but bear with us - it'll all be okay - emails happen even if you're not observing them at the time... - it's radical I know... but you'll get use to it :)
17:27
@JonClements: does such a person use a special compiler to change their cdeo into code
How are digressing from the very important point that Peter made?
What are you guys talking? COD - Call of Duty? :))
Or actually, the more important point of tea
Think I would need super abilities to edit everyone's comments now. :P
Hahaha
17:28
@JonClements yeah..
@Peter anyway: tea... problem solved, right?
@JonClements: you mean the world doesn't disappear when I close my eyes? #sadface
ummm.. well, it is delicious.. and it took more than 3 minutes to make it.. but atm the problem is the same..
@JonClements do you think a good ol' pipe-smoking could help?
Need to see a DOC for an OCD problem of COD. Hmm. How's that @aIKid?! :P
so there is no answer.. other than 42.. right?
17:33
@JonClements Ok, so it's like this: the LOTC picked up a distress beacon originating from Jupiter's moon, Europa. The scouting party discovered a monolithic structure containing ancient pictograms which appeared to correspond to the spatial coordinates of a recently discovered earth-like planet. Hoping to find the original source of all tea, they engaged the experimental "jump drive", which tunnels through a parallel dimension where distances are shorter.
@PeterVaro 42 is also not a right answer. It's just another random integer.
We haven't received a transmission from them since, although that might just indicate that the jump knocked out their ultra-relativistic transmission gear.
guys I'm failing hard. How would you make a list of dictionaries of dictionaries? e.g., [{month: 1 {'value': value}}, {month: 2 {'value': value}}]
I have this: sorted[i] = {"month": moment(key, "MMYYYY"), {"value1": value.value1, "value2": value.value2}} (it's in a loop with key and value being the keys and values of another dictionary)
@AshishNitinPatil it's not random!
@Kevin how sad is that..
17:36
We can expect a merely light-speed message from them in a few years.
I suppose 33 would have been a better choice.
well.. that is also true..
@Crowz I don't get what you are trying to achieve
I mean the example dicts are not that clear.
@Crowz, {month: 1 {'value': value}} is not valid syntax
@Crowz: I don't think you have legal dict syntax there, like @Kevin says
17:38
@AshishNitinPatil if that would be the answer.. well we would live in a different universe, and a different life, and everything should be something else
@PeterVaro Maybe not everything. Hope we get to ogle at boobs in the alternate universe too.
@Kevin and therein lies the problem, kevin. What is the valid syntax? It doesn't seem to accept month: 1,
Well, according to Stephen King, the universe only exists because the turtle was sick
@AshishNitinPatil :)
@Crowz Well, 'month' should be the key, not month
17:40
And we all know that Stephen King is a greater go-to in regards to the formation of the universe rather than that strangely speaking Stephen Hawking
@JonClements how dare he.. a turtle, really? it is ridiculous
it is sooooo obvious that this is based on mice
It's ridiculous until you peek over the rim and see The Great A-Tuin wave his flipper at you
For how long will the turtle carry our burden?!
I suppose we should make the Sun go around the Earth now. It is high time. :P
@Crowz: {'month' : {1:{'value':'val'}} } and so forth
17:42
Why am I suddenly thinking of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_Below ?
@AshishNitinPatil Errr, you mean it doesn't?
I think I missed that episode
@JonClements LMAO
@Ashish be careful here, we don't want to scare @inspectorG4dget - he's only just coming to realise the world doesn't disappear when he closes his eyes
@Kevin that is a good one!
@JonClements facepalm #TooGoodToHandle
17:44
@JonClements OMG.. these informations.. these are soo new to me.. I should probably go to think about these..
what a life-changing.. that's why I love SO
Oh, I remember now. The one with Space Queen Elizabeth.
@Kevin that's the one
@Kevin that's the one
@JonClements is that creature the same as the one in torchwood?
(the one where the bad-guys are mining the flesh from?)
anyway @JonClements and @Kevin did you know, that TORCHWOOD is actually an anagram of DOCTOR WHO ??
how sick is that ;)
Nope, that's quite neat
17:48
indeed!
@inspectorG4dget ah yes, got it, thak you
cheers @Crowz
anyway, back to the problem we have before covering our eyes, and drinking cups of tea.. so there is no real meaning, no real help (I mean in an absolute approach) -- so I have to shut up, and do something, because I have to?
@JonClements OS?
17:51
Linux
I mean which distro?
@JonClements what is the problem?
I made a few changes - thought I'd run it by everyone before proposing it on meta :)
//btw @JonClements it is a huge +1 for using Faenza icons
@PeterVaro No idea what they're called - just the installation default
17:54
that is the default? wow
they are beautifully crafted little square icons
I really love them
Wow - you're right - good eye for detail :)
@JonClements that's what I do for a living -- it is the least I can do ;)
Good point :)
18:02
anyway @JonClements what Linux are using, Ubuntu?
I heard of it.. but I don't know what is the strength of it..
Has cool icons?
fair enough ;)
@Kevin I wanted to show you this, I found it 2 days ago: bareconductive.com
how awesome, you can literally draw your circuits on any material ;)
Conductive paint... Neat
18:08
@Kevin how about drawing on a skin??? youtube.com/watch?v=7ddYM-44RLc
:) amazing! wearable technology!
@PeterVaro Mint is pretty similar to Ubuntu, pretty sure it forked from Ubuntu a few years back
@robjb yeah - it has a philosophy of (something like): "Ubuntu how Ubuntu should have been"
@robjb I think than it is forked from the father of Ubuntu, which is Debian
Peter -- ah, that might be it
oh -- so it really is a better version of Ubuntu
18:10
Hmm
howtogeek.com/115041/… < This says it's Ubuntu based
Aaaand I read further
There's a Debian edition as well
I mostly installed it because I like debian, and was using Ubuntu, then they did the Unity desktop thing, and it put me off
yeah that Unitity thingy was a good idea, but amazingly terrible implementation
DSM
DSM
@JonClements: thanks to your mentioning stats I've just wasted a fair bit of time exploring data.stackexchange.com. I don't seem to be notable enough to show up on any table except for ratio of upvotes to downvotes, where I do quite well.
I've been using archlinux.org
I like it, but it's one of those choose-each-and-every-package-you-want-during-install distros
@robjb well, I use Linux only on my Raspberry Pi, I use OS X -- for my daily work I have to use Autodesk and Adobe products, and they are not available for linuxes
18:14
@DSM lol - it's always the puppy's fault isn't it :)
linuxes? why not linuces? (like index -> indices) :D
I think linux is the plural of linux ... if you want to be picky, say distros :p
That said, I don't use linux at work either
Just for hobby development projects in my personal time
that is soo said.. I mean linux really won on any platforms (mobile, server, etc.) but not on desktop
although I really want to use it as a desktop system
18:16
@PeterVaro looks like something you'd be interested in: bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03k6ypz/The_Joy_of_Logic
Having to run a Windows version of Firefox to install silverlight to watch Netflix is a pain in the butt- but otherwise, no qualms with it as a desktop environment
@JonClements umm...
@Peter oh yeah... forgot about that - but you can no doubt find it elsewhere
Besides, I'm not sure if redis runs on Windows
@JonClements see? that is the biggest problem of linux -- no one really cares about UX, since almost only developers using it
actually Ubuntu has something in their mind
but Ubuntu is as far away of this goal as they can be
By putting everyone off with "Unity" :)
why can't linux developers copying the Mac?
I mean, it can be used as a real dummy -- everything is plug and play
and drag and drop
and so intuitive
and you can also do your command-line-terminal thingy if you want to
although it is closed..
18:21
Would be fair, as effectively the Mac is linux underneath with an apple UI
I can't say it is not free, because it is now
@JonClements yeah, afaik it is a BSD like system
although it is not a linux clone but a UNIX clone
if that makes sense nowdays
I'm strangely reminded of OS Warp
all of my older friends says it was an amazing OS back in the days
I never used it..
I actually had a machine dual booted with windows 3.1 and os warp
have you ever used BeOS?
they also said that it had the best UX of all
18:24
I had an install of BeOS
it was massively hyped about its ability to pre-emptively multi task
And it looked great...
Just couldn't really do much with it when it came out
:):)
well.. sounds like the problem with linux too
:)
it has everything a man should ever need
it can do things far better, reliable and faster than any other OS
but the UX..
It does what I want... for gaming I use Windows
not a console? (PS, XBOX, Wii..)
Nope - not a massive gamer
Kinda stopped playing games after Starcraft and Duke3D were popular
you're my man
18:27
I was pretty damned good at both, even if I do say so myself
I stopped playing after Red Alert and Worms 2
oh and Little Big Adventure and Neverhood
omg... LBA!
I loved that - only played a demo of it though
well the full game was amazing!
a beautifully designed really HUGE world!
I loved it
Might have to have a nosey for a torrent cough
:):)
do you think that it is still running on our machines?
18:29
I remember being omg, omg for the first "Alone In The Dark" game
I play Duke3D on this one still
Someone ported it, and boosted the engine somewhat - all you need is the map/data files: eduke32.com
well.. I never was a real player.. I always was the maker kind..
I created my first RPG game with PowerPoint at the age of 12
(since I did not know how to code)
I created the illustrations, and you could choose from 2 -> 4 options at the time
I made a couple of games, with:
I remember that I created an animated short with PP for Mother's Day
18:32
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my Mom said, it is nice, but next time I should buy some flowers..
@Peter awww - bad mum!
she didn't like the virtual flower I made..
:)
@Peter well, it didn't need watering and would stay the same for ever.... that's better than a real flower, right?
that was the original idea, yeah..
I can remember that I created a mock-up for Apple to create a Palmtop
I send it to them, but they never answered me..
but it was a good design ;)
18:34
LOL
bbiab - hungry...
laters for me too -- I'm going to walk Coltrane
~
18:52
Today was my most productive day! \m/
A decent software to let you know your productivity - rescuetime.com

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