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8:00 PM
I like the idea of a monthly challenge, but I think it should be a little more open ended
 
@SomeKittens the submissions so far is good.
 
@SomeGuy I agree
 
And a little less like a project in a web development class
 
@SomeGuy sure, sounds good.
 
@Meredith too open ended and there isn't much of a challenge
 
8:00 PM
+1 for aligning the monthly challenges with actual months
 
I like the constraints (even though Is till need to do mine)
 
@Meredith it's very open ended, you have one requirement but can use any language etc.
 
I think it should not be possible to see other peoples solutions before ending the challange
 
@Loktar vamp as in help vampire? Because that has another meaning
 
8:00 PM
@RonniSkansing Just don't look
 
umm, just thinking about the first issue, how about we take a few links from the transcript, see how it was dealt with, learn from it, and simulate dealing with it better?
 
It's not a competition
 
@RonniSkansing Don't look?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well this challenge only had a few directions you could go in
 
@SecondRikudo @SomeGuy and @FlorianMargaine already did theirs and I did mine. That's a nice turnup
 
8:01 PM
@Zirak lol, I did not say it was a competition
 
@TomW we generally use the term vamp in the chats to describe help vampires.
 
((and given I have some free time, I'll work on mine @BenjaminGruenbaum))
 
I haven't completed mine yet but I might
 
I thought so, just checking
 
@RonniSkansing I think being able to see other solutions lets you learn how others solved it and may benefit you
 
8:02 PM
Is anyone against the monthly challenges or it bothers them in some sense?
 
so sorry to backtrack, but did we reach a consensus on the rules page? can someone link me? I'm interested in getting some help on it. it needs some updating.
 
I like them
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Definitely not.
 
Nope, they are great conversation starters
 
@rlemon Kittens will make a summary of everything
 
8:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I would be if they become too competitive (i.e. voting, etc). See: My issues with js13k
 
29 mins ago, by SomeKittens
Conclusion: The rules page should be kept, but updated with new info (such as conclusions from this meeting)
 
neither against them, not with them
 
@SomeGuy I agree, but you could do that after challange has ended. Nomatter what people could have a bigger benefit of not being able to look at a solution beforehand solving it themselfs.
 
@Zirak kk.
 
8:02 PM
I like Florian's idea of contributors army more..
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@BenjaminGruenbaum It's a really cool idea
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not really, I just don't have time/motivation/relevant skill to join in usually.
 
@SomeKittens yeah, it's not a contest, just a challenge
 
@AwalGarg no reason you can't do that still.
 
@Zirak Can't you read, old man?
 
8:03 PM
@Loktar i didn't say there is one ;p
 
@KendallFrey The point is to motivate you to learn new things!
 
@AwalGarg You can do both.
 
Should some challenges be contesty?
 
@SomeGuy Shut up and eat your gerber
 
-_-
 
8:03 PM
@JanDvorak Nah
 
@JanDvorak no
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Yep, that's just my once concern.
 
No contests. Zirak always wins
 
8:04 PM
Gerber = baby food.
 
On topic, people.
 
@SomeGuy Yeah, but I'm guessing they will be geared towards professional JS devs, which I'm not
 
@SomeKittens please move off-topics (including this)
 
@KendallFrey Next one is most likely about Ada
 
@KendallFrey This current challenge isn't really geared towards professional JS dev
 
8:04 PM
I like the monthly challenge, but I fear I don't have time/motivation like @KendallFrey said
 
Ada? Shouldnt they be JS related lol
 
Look at the suggested challenges to get an idea
 
that
 
(link to suggested challenges?)
 
I also don't have time to learn a new language every month
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8:04 PM
We'll be voting all over again for the next one, in a new meta thread I think
 
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Q: JS Room Monthly Challenge Voting

Benjamin GruenbaumThank you for voting the challenge is live. Everyone is welcome to participate. We at the JS chat room want to throw short monthly challenges where everyone gets the same task in a new language/library/framework. The idea is to learn a new technology, code something fun and share knowledge, o...

 
@Loktar we're programmers
 
Okay, so who thinks they should have to do with JS?
 
No hurt in learning new languages
 
@FlorianMargaine I'm just a JS programmer :P
 
8:05 PM
I think they should be all over programming related
 
and its the JS room so idk
 
@SecondRikudo thank you!
 
Some should be JS related, but no need to have all of them be
 
Subtopic: Should the challenges be related to JS dev?
 
@JanDvorak yeah
 
8:05 PM
Another reason for not disclosing solutions to the challange is that it opens for discussion on ended challanges. Atm people would not be able to discuss their solution, if other people are still doing them.
 
@SomeKittens I think that they should.
 
@SomeKittens If they are JS room challenges, yes
 
I like the idea that it isn't strictly JS, because I feel we'd all have similar solutions :/ but I agree that a new language every month might get tedious fast
 
@SomeKittens Nope
 
@SomeGuy Me. If not js, then language agnostic (or geared toward a cluster of languages). Learning new skillsets is important, but they shouldn't take you too much time or people won't do them.
 
8:06 PM
@SomeKittens I assume you'll count the votes?
 
@SomeKittens js is booooring after a while
 
"related" does not mean "Only JS, ever"
 
@SomeKittens I don't think that they should but it can be decided in voting
 
@rlemon maybe not
 
If the challenges don't require browser/DOM, then I'm more likely to participate
 
8:06 PM
well in fairness its not like you have to participate anyway so I guess I dont really care
 
Should we have a challenge on node-webkit?
 
just pointing out it kind of makes sense being its the JS room
 
Emscripten, for example.
 
I would love a challenge like "use a toJS language you've never used to create XYZ"
 
Even now people say they don't have enough time, and it's about reading the intro to some framework
 
8:06 PM
instead of new languages, can we do new ideas and have everyone work and collaborate together? everything with the wtf license
 
then I can get some exposure to typescript or coffeescript
 
@Zirak That's fair
 
@SomeKittens yeah thats a great idea
since its still related to JS
 
I like collaborative challenges
 
^
 
8:07 PM
@rlemon Then suggest it and people will vote on it.
 
I dont mean pure js by any means, just related.
 
@rlemon You can do it in whatever to-js language you want, really. Only the framework is specified.
 
I don't think we should discuss what the challenges should be, because that's up for vote
 
I think we can suggest challenges to make us work in a team. we all can do our own thing but historically anything group related in this room died fast.
 
Next challenge: Write a bash.org clone
 
8:08 PM
I'm thinking that the subject of what we can do to improve the event as an event is more important for this meeting.
 
@rlemon Yeah, real life takes up a lot of time
 
Also +1 to @BenjaminGruenbaum for coming up with a list and doing one
 
@Zirak On the meta post please (and yes, that's a pretty good challenge)
 
@SecondRikudo I think we're trying to decide if the challenges should be restricted
 
I am a bit inclined towards that collaboration thing because it would help me learn more from you guys (if I get to be a part of it)... and I can learn how to "collaborate"...
 
8:09 PM
and if challenges can be done in teams / and should we promote team development for them
 
@SecondRikudo It was tongue-in-cheek, since it's an idea that was discussed and I kinda killed it with reality
 
Challenge is good. Keep it up.
Should be related to JS, but not strictly "Use the DOM, Luke!"
Emscripten, Dart, node-webkit, etc.
No group challenges for the time being, but keep that idea for the future
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Sounds good.
 
I'm fine with that
 
ummm
 
8:09 PM
Cool beans
 
I seriously would be 10X more interested in group challenges
 
FTR - css parser in ADA is on topic.
 
pick a leader, build a small team, compete
 
There doesnt have to be a limit
 
Can someone ping me when you move to the next topic?
 
8:09 PM
@rlemon how many PRs have you made to miaou?
 
I'd love a group challenge
 
2 people could have worked on this challenge i imagine
 
@rlemon That's also 10X harder to organize.
 
@rlemon I think the consensus is we should get better at running challenges in general, then move on to team stuff.
 
Room challenges are really hard, this is about learning stuff.
 
8:10 PM
why no group challenges for the "time bieng"? why just keep it for the future?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how much team guidance do I have? "contribute to a group project" !== "working in a team"
 
@Loktar that is a good point, nothing is stopping people from doing group solutions
 
17 secs ago, by SomeKittens
@rlemon I think the consensus is we should get better at running challenges in general, then move on to team stuff.
 
8:10 PM
pfft, some of you haven't even done my js quizz
 
Next topic?
 
> No group-only challenges for the time being, but keep that idea for the future. (Teams working on current challenges are a-ok)
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if you say...
 
@SomeKittens +1 like it
 
Awesome.
 
8:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Update the repo to say group solutions are allowed but not mandatory, maybe?
 
@AwalGarg is very much ignored right now. Are we ok with that?
 
@SomeGuy Sure, for the next one perhaps?
 
@FlorianMargaine No, what?
 
How do we submit group challenges?
 
@SecondRikudo ctrl+f awal
 
8:11 PM
can someone ping me when we get to the next topic?
 
Have one repo per team, or something more organised?
 
@JanDvorak One of the members fork, the other forks from him and PRs into his repo
 
Final topic: conspiracysanta.com ?
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@JanDvorak Someone makes a PR and says "Bob, Alice and me worked on it"
 
End solution is PRed from the original fork.
 
8:12 PM
@Deep @towc
 
@SecondRikudo sounds fine
@SomeKittens umm...
 
lol
 
Cheers @SomeKittens
 
@FlorianMargaine what are you referring to?
 
@FlorianMargaine Not seeing anything. Tell me in the JS room
 
8:12 PM
@JanDvorak They wanted to be pinged for the next topic
 
This was an awesome talk. I think we really accomplished stuff :)
 
@SomeKittens but there isn't any yet
 
Props for @SomeKittens for hosting. I got to go.
 
I'm sad I came in late
 
TTYL
!!afk
 
8:13 PM
didn't see the answers. My bad.
 
1 min ago, by SomeKittens
Final topic: http://conspiracysanta.com/ ?
 
Yeah for sure glad we had it.
 
Thanks Skittles for hosting
 
@SomeKittens We are doing the same thing in the Anime & Manga site.
I think it's a nice idea.
We're doing it a bit differently though
 
the last topic?
"Private discussion". What is it?
 
8:13 PM
Id do the conspiracy santa.
 
@SomeKittens Sure, sounds good
 
We're having a ring of people send each other gifts
 
where should we host private discussions? should we have private discussions? should room owner only meetings exist?
 
Big question: Funding for CS? I'd chip in.
 
@rlemon This room
 
8:15 PM
but what if we are discussing the future of a user (imagine problematic) and we don't want transcript lurkers?
 
@rlemon That was already answered (before you came in, so I understand if you're still confused). tl;dr PM in other systems is totally fine.
 
owwait
 
@rlemon It was kinda agreed upon that miaou proves useful for these cases
(and in general)
 
ok, I missed that in my quick browse of the transcript, sorry.
 
I guess this wasn't for me...
 
8:16 PM
I think what rlemon was suggesting was a more private "feed" of sorts
 
yes there is also that
a dropbox of sorts for messages
 
@rlemon How about a mailing list?
 
Elaborate please?
 
> I kicked XYZ today because they were trolling. watch out for repeat offenses
 
oh
 
8:16 PM
we're not all online at the same time, so we miss actions others do
 
Ah, like that.
Well, technically speaking, that's what the star system is for.
 
I don't mind having a mail thread for that
 
You read the star list, and you get the gist of the discussion in the past few hours.
 
but do we want to a) make that public to the users it is about. b) pollute the main room or other rooms with it
 
cant we do it somewhere like Mauou or however its spelled?
 
8:17 PM
you don't want to pin "I've kicked Zigi... again"
 
@SomeKittens Are we doing Conspiracy Santa or this ^ ?
 
Email/static messages hosted somewhere seem pretty oldschool
 
in JavaScript , Nov 19 at 13:02, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Announcing: I kicked Awal
like that?
 
@rlemon erm, so we keep the ES room?
 
the point of private discussion of this nature is to avoid further drama
 
8:18 PM
@KendallFrey I think it was all systems go for CS
 
Kicking someone for instance is pretty public, no need to dance around that
 
but the current discussion is important.
 
@SomeKittens kk
 
Discussing problematic users is done off-site (current consensus is for it to be on miaou), but all ROs and most regulars are on the ES room
 
8:19 PM
I think we should start a meta post regarding other room owners getting a notification at the top saying who was kicked by whom.
 
on the topic of a private list/discussion whatever, should the room owner meetings be private/only for room owners or public where anyone can join and discuss like this?
 
In fact, I'm going to start that meta post right after we're done here.
 
I'm not in ES
 
@Loktar Public is fine, I think
 
Gtg Guys, see ya!
 
8:19 PM
@Zirak I haven't been on this room in a few weeks
 
@Zirak I've drifted away from the ES room
 
It's a good place for others to voice any concern too
 
@Zirak We already agreed on no derivative rooms, so no, please.
 
@Loktar the room meeting being public is cool. but there are some serious issues I image we want private to just room owners. having a agreed upon place we all check periodically I think would be very helpful
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@rlemon Agreed
 
8:20 PM
yeah sounds good
 
@rlemon Or ping people and have them check
 
You could use pins to call ROs into a miaou room
 
@rlemon Miaou.
 
@rlemon mailing list.
 
irc.
 
8:21 PM
Mailing list
 
@FlorianMargaine Or that
 
Mailing list
 
a room we should go to from time to time sucks
 
1995, mailing list :P
 
IRC doesn't have history if you aren't there
 
8:21 PM
so we're agreed on a mailing list?
 
nah
 
keeping in mind, it wouldn't be very often it needs to be used (I hope)
 
no mailing list
Miaou
that makes the most sense
 
8:22 PM
yeh
 
And Miaou people may forget to visit. An email just shows up
 
pin->miaou?
 
we still need a live place to discuss
 
Pinging & pinning a message telling people to check somewhere is okay
 
maybe the email could be one of the pings
 
8:22 PM
for private stuff... miaou sucks. I don't want to have a room I forget to go to
 
but email discussions are too static
 
@SomeGuy main reason why I don't want email. It's intrusive
 
also, pgp.
:D
 
@FlorianMargaine thus the pins
 
@KendallFrey We don't expect to use it much
 
8:22 PM
@FlorianMargaine Hence pingining & pinning
 
If there is a serious issue are we going to send 20 emails back and forth?
Probably not, we would go to some chat.
 
@Zirak "I forget to go to" => I haven't been to the ES room since a couple weeks.
 
@FlorianMargaine You're around the js room, right?
Pin a message saying "go to owner room"
 
Maybe a github issue? Github provides a mailing list for free.
 
8:23 PM
woohoo
 
@JanDvorak "private"
 
bleh why not a hangout in that case @SecondRikudo
 
@FlorianMargaine won't "hidden" suffice?
 
8:24 PM
Or use twitter, since most of us have twitter accounts
 
anything thats not a chat is counter productive imo
 
private! :P
 
and stuff wont get resolved.
 
Holy fuck, just the notification part
 
my bad
 
8:24 PM
I think a mailing list is less clumsy than.
It provides topics
People can tag and organize it as they wish
There's a web interface
 
imagine doing this meeting via a mailing list
 
Mailing list is it then?
 
we would get through all the topics in 3 weeks.
 
JUST THE NOTIFICATION PART
 
yawn Ima go do something else. ping me if you value my opinion on anything
 
8:25 PM
Alright, we seem to be going in circles a bit
 
but what triggers the email notification?
 
Gmail notifies you of new emails
 
so mailing list/twitter/star/pin for notifications to a private chat right?
 
Let's shelve this for December.
 
Miaou would be where discussion is held, notification delivery system needs to be decided upon.
 
8:25 PM
^ +1.
 
@SomeKittens aye
 
I goto the chat and post a single update and email everyone? you post a reply next day and email everyone again?
 
@Zirak Sounds good.
 
A piece of software would handle the "email everyone" part
 
8:26 PM
why don't we setup doineedtochecktheownerroom.com and everyone can set it as their homepage and it just says "YES" or "NO"
 
Some of us don't have homepages
 
whats a homepage? :P
 
collaborate and make a service for such discussions... we get the first group event, and a useful service
 
Let's try the mailing list thing
 
8:27 PM
yeh I like mails
 
I'm out, thanks all for coming
 
I dont think this is an issue
 
I think it will be good for static messages
 
we can get in touch pretty easily.
 
For active discussions, we have these monthly meetings
But for topics and various discussions (as well as "I kicked someone, if he does it again kick him again") I think a mailing list is both private and works well.
 
8:28 PM
I vote the meetings be held on hangouts so we can use webcams and mics :P
anyway later all great meeting.
 
I don't want to use my webcam and mic
Not to mention I'd have to turn the lights on
 
no, we can identify you as the black square
 
speaking about that
 
Can you use avatar icons in hangout?
 
yeah you can have a static image
 
8:30 PM
@Loktar @rlemon @all group sexcam?
 
I was half joking due to the mailing list discussion, thinking of new tech vs old :P
@FlorianMargaine hah.
 
I did a video chat with Florian on miaou the other night
it was fun
he's got a hairy chest
 
so... what happened?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ^
 
8:33 PM
@FlorianMargaine BenjaminGruenbaum is afk: beerz
 
anything I should know?
 
we're having sexcam
 
@FlorianMargaine I can't hear you
 
heh... was about to click on that link
 
This is funny since I don't have sound on thsi computer
So you won't hear me speak
You'll just see me
 
8:35 PM
I'll just in ~15 mins
 
We should do these, I really am late though
byes
 
so
when does it start?
 
Just in time
 
are we there yet?
:)
hi, too late?
 
8:38 PM
12 mins ago, by SomeKittens
Conclusions can be found here: https://gist.github.com/SomeKittens/ee7d36c171500ed13eb6
 
reading...
all over?
 
everybody left
 
morning
no mic
 
what the hell is that nick
 
beer++
 
8:42 PM
@FlorianMargaine hah had to reboot my machine having weird posting issues :( webcam isnt hooked up yet
 
@Loktar Webcam not needed
 
@SecondRikudo it is
loke is too sexy
 
how to type there
lotsa vape
lol, same
 
8:57 PM
@FlorianMargaine I can't join because no google+ account ~_~
 
@Zirak damn
make one?
 
B?ut I avoided making one for so long
 
make a temporary one
 

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