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17:05
Ugh. One user insists on ending every sentence with <br /> and it infuriates me for some reason.
 
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18:09
@Shepmaster It's because <br> would suffice … right? :-)
Are they rolling any edits back?
@Jason yes, although not directly for the brs
but they are deliberately adding them back
 
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19:37
WOOOOOOO
> Rust reigns supreme as most loved. Python and Typescript are the languages developers want to work with most if they aren’t already doing so.
> For the sixth-year, Rust is the most loved language,
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Is that a new survey ? edit: looks so
this layout is confusing... and it makes the whole painful to read
Not so many responses. Analysis might be dangerous.
pish posh old chap
Rust => #1
what more do you want
Yay!
@Shepmaster Honestly I don't really care about this precise result. I already know that Rust is the best language, by far, among the ones several people heard about.
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I would be more interested in the same result among employers.
Less than 3% or respondents have been coding professionally for more than 30 years.
19:53
That includes me, if it matters ;-)
that is, I have not been programming professionally that long
Hu. Neovim is the most wanted editor. It's my most wanted but it's weird it is so popular. I know I don't tell youngster to lose time learning it.
I thought SublimeText was more loved.
@DenysSéguret If anything I would've guessed VSCode
Well, it's second behind neovim, that's good
@Shepmaster TBH I'm wondering if the people around SO (who are also willing to fill out the forms) are not changing at all, I mean, not significantly, thus we reproduce the same result every year.
@DenysSéguret I didn't look, it was my guess.
It's certain the respondents are not representative of the millions of programmers worldwide. By far.
Somebody answering the SO survey isn't like the typical programmer.
20:07
@DenysSéguret Sounds backwards — you should encourage them to spend the time learning the "best" editor early
That way they can benefit from it for that much longer
@Shepmaster arguably the best, at best ;)
(Said as a person that learned emacs at like 15 and now it's a part of my subconscious)
@Shepmaster It's the best for me because I know it. It doesn't mean the investment was reasonable if you assume better editors will appear.
@PeterVaro I mean that Denys presumably would say it's best
Oh, right, sure
20:09
Assuming better is a tough thing to encourage though
never get anything done that way ;-)
In the recent years, the editor I told my young colleagues to learn was vscode (they must use idea too, because java).
@DenysSéguret At least you should've encouraged them to use VSCodium XP
@PeterVaro I didn't even knew about this one
Jokes aside, I believe community-support, convenience, and UI/UX wise it is indeed the best editor out there. But sadly it is a freaking memory and processor hog.
@DenysSéguret Unfortunately I'm not surprised.. not because of you, but because most free / libre things are not that popular -- people value their comfort above everything for the last 2-3 decades (at least).
 
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21:29
@PeterVaro I use archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code, is that good enough? :P
@FrancisGagné Not quite :)
@PeterVaro that looks like it packages its own electron, the code package uses a shared electronN package
Not sure why they do that, you could ask the package-maintainers
(IIRC they are the "official" guys behind the projects.)
I haven't checked it, but there's also the vscodium-bin package -- is that using a separate version as well?
vscodium-bin doesn't have a dependency on any electronN package so it must package its own
my point is, the official code package is MIT-licensed (unlike, say, the visual-studio-code-bin package, which is Microsoft's non-MIT build)
so there are probably not many differences between vscodium and Arch Linux's code
21:47
Oh, I see your point. Well, we have to dig deeper then, it feels rather strange to have a package under the same name but with a different license and slightly modified than the original / official one..
Moreover, I know for a fact, that the vscode in the official repo uses the MS maintained plugin "store"
(Which has tracking and telemetry)
While the guys behind the vscodium also created a separate "store", which supposed to be truly libre
Anyway, I don't have time to dig deeper into this today or, in fact in the next few days, but I will later on, unless you find out something in the meantime.
@PeterVaro both use open-vsx.org 1 2
so code has telemetry and vscodium doesn't. that's fine, I always enable telemetry anyway
Good for you, mate ;)
Anyway, I'm going to call it a night. Ta ta for now!

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