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9:11 PM
@anky_91 gave up and decided to ask a question : stackoverflow.com/questions/59794852/…
personal thought : asking a good question is difficult
 
ain't that the truth
 
9:30 PM
 
that is a fantastic quote and I love it.
And I hate that I found [this](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/05/22/solve/)
 
multiline kills markdown
 
10:06 PM
bang bang shot dead, all the text has gone bland
all I really know is that multiline don't care about us
 
10:32 PM
any recommendations for a library that does a good job with the traveling salesman problem? The A portion of this AB question is, I want to draw a representation of a family photo using epicycles. However, that requires that I convert a photo into a closed loop of pixel locations. I think I can convert my photo to find shaded boundaries... somehow, I think... but I'll need to find the best path to traverse all of those points. Enter TSP! Anyway, happy Holiday Weekend in the US.
and cbg
 
@piRSquared I'm not sure I understand anything about the premise, but what kind of scale are you talking? If we talk in the sense of just the TSP, how many routes and how many nodes per route?
 
I think he wants to convert an image into one of those "single stroke of a pen" things
 
wim
I wish builtins had an identity function, I'm tired of doing lambda v: v
 
You can spice it up with a named function...
 
wim
tsp is famous for being hard. by "good job" do you mean "optimum" or "approximate but fast" ?
 
10:45 PM
@AndrasDeak so maybe 1 route, 1000x1000-ish nodes? :S
 
wim
wim's PEP that has zero chance of being accepted: move bulitin id to inspect.id and replace builtin id with def id(x): return x
 
@roganjosh "convert a photo into a closed loop of pixel locations", so maybe.
@wim oh yeah, zero chance
 
tbh I'd rather it be named "identity" just because it annoys me to name my variables id_ all the time
 
It should be operator.id. Problem solved.
 
@piRSquared based on the convo where we might have a mega number of nodes; if you give me a representative sample of data, I'm happy to run it through the API I use for my site. For sure there is no python library faster than that java library, and I suspect it would choke
 
10:55 PM
deprecating id and moving it to inspect while putting the other id into operator would turn the zero chance PEP into a practically zero chance PEP
 
Beyond that, you'd be looking at bindings to gurobi or google OR-tools
 
~> sysctl vm.swappiness
vm.swappiness = 60
I hate linux
 
sounds like it's mutual
 
11:16 PM
What do you guys call this symbol: ~ ?
Apparently it is called a tilde character ..
 
That's what I call it
 
I have literally never heard or seen anyone call it that ever, that's so funny
 
That is its name.
I've met people who call it Tilda...don't listen to them
 
@AndrasDeak Like the way this guy pronounces it?
https://youtu.be/ElRzTuYln0M?t=272
He says it at 3:40
with an "a" ending
 
wim
@SebastianNielsen homedir
 
11:22 PM
lol
 
@SebastianNielsen if it ends with an a then yes.
I think tilde is pronounced as "tildey" in English
/ˈtɪldə/, /ˈtɪldi/ according to wiktionary
 
Huh, the more you know :)
 
as opposed to /ˈtildɑ/ for Tilda as in Swinton
/ˈtɪldə/ looks suspicious to me, I've got to look up that last sound again
 
That's the same sound as when you reduce the word "are" in american english
that upside down e
 
I probably can't tell the difference between ə and ɑ
I might think of both as our á...
let me look up the other one too
In received pronounciation ɑ is in "bath" and ə (schwa) is in "bird" (oh, I misread the rows the first time around). So ə is more like ö, ɑ is more like á
 
11:34 PM
Sure thing dude, to me they are all just fancy letters xD
 
letters are ambiguous, sounds are not
 
Letters are nothing but a human construct
 
And how can our eyes see when they're not real?
 
The power of imagination my friend
I swear to god, I have no idea of what I am talking about
 
oh sorry, the proper quote seems to be "How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real."
 
11:37 PM
Okay ... things are starting to get out of hands here
 
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