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9:05 PM
hello
anyone come across a gis library in python that suports asyncio
 
9:28 PM
recbg
what does gis have to do with asyncio?!
anyone come across car wheels that support seawater?
 
i meant an asynchronous GIS lib
 
@user5444075 what does number of features have anything to do with vanishing gradients? no, vanishing gradients depend on "something else". I'd recommend reading some blog posts or articles to figure out what exactly.
 
wording was oor
poor
 
@objectiveME your question makes sense does not.
 
So, no, number of features does not dictate whether you may have vanishing gradients or not
 
9:30 PM
@ParitoshSingh I guess we have the same problem :P
 
@AnttiHaapala I got an answer so thanks for your emence help
 
@AnttiHaapala :D
@objectiveME you can edit/delete messages for two minutes in chat
 
@AndrasDeak I didn't realize that. I guess i have been on twitter for too long.
 
@ParitoshSingh I don't know what vanishing gradients are, just judging from the name: what if some features are irrelevant? (Like a flat dataset in 2d). Is that something irrelevant?
 
9:35 PM
My point is your question is in no way precise. Just that it is clear to you what you want then maybe you should use more than 140 characters to explain what it is you want.
 
You are right man
 
@ParitoshSingh (thinking PCA could reduce dims)
 
@AndrasDeak yep, it's irrelevant. for a clue, the idea is related to "depth" of the network. not necessarily the number of nodes in input layer
 
OK, thanks :)
 
Essentially, training of neural networks is via backpropagation, which is essentially chain rule. the deeper the network, the smaller the gradient gets from last layer towards first.
 
9:38 PM
I see (sort of)
 
"stop using passwords. Use Login with Google/Facebook/etc., or login by email. “Google’s security team is better than yours"
Would you ditch your auth system for google oauth?
 
The simplest way to think of it is this: neural networks cant solve an equation in one go, the equations are too complex. So, they rely on "tweaking" the prediction made at a time. This "tweaking stage" is called backpropagation. The tweaking of a weight requires figuring out which "direction" you want to tweak in, hence the gradient.
 
@objectiveME google already knows all my data anyway :F
 
@ParitoshSingh I mean, only "sort of" because I know nothing about neural networks :)
thanks
 
9:42 PM
the most common activation functions are sigmoids. so, the steepest gradient is 0.25 with that (iirc). Since this is going to be a component of "how much should i tweak", the value is always being scaled down
 
I do have a vague notion based on what you said
 
yeah, im starting to realise i might not be able to do due justice to the concepts behind the neural network
 
I guess the wikipedia article explains it in simpler terms :P
> The problem is that in some cases, the gradient will be vanishingly small, effectively preventing the weight from changing its value. In the worst case, this may completely stop the neural network from further training.
 
@AnttiHaapala Does not apply for everyone but it does provide some food for thought on where federated login is headed
 
well I do not want to use federated login everywhere
but I do agree with that to a point.
and ... I really wouldn't want to trust Google :(
 
9:46 PM
:D that essentially is what makes me hesitate in using Oauth provided by google/facebook and so on
 
I'd rather trust for example my ID card and my PIN code
and Oauth is not an authentication protocol :P
there was a case where people were using oauth for authentication :D
 
oh dear.
One day i'll understand what Oauth actually is
 
@ParitoshSingh oauth gives you access to some objects...
... so in this case people got an access token that gave access to some resources. And then they asked it "who did I get access to" and the answer would be "Paritosh Singh's Facebook profile" and they think "Ok then you must be Paritosh Singh!"
 
Oh! ohhh
So, OAuth is basically access to "resources like profile info" and thats it?
 
@AndrasDeak I'm happy to hear you got a working environment now! I know from our HPC department/users how frustrating this can be. Situations like these always remind me why it has advantages that we HTC guys don't use anything newer than five years...
 
9:49 PM
A single wordwide web identity is coming no matter the loud anti-trust alarm bells that will surely follow
 
@ParitoshSingh yes originally, yes.
 
well, i guess today is the day i understood what oauth actually is. (or a crude simplification of it in any case!)
 
God help us all w3c.github.io/did-core
If google,microsoft,apple and amazon throw their weight behind this, its all over
 
We shall be one hapy communist inter web where the government knows everything
@AnttiHaapala I have read that a week ago
 
9:53 PM
i'll check that out, thanks!
 
basically a rant
 
rbrb for now
 
hahahaha
we are Gods now?
 
I have yet to really learn Python but I'm wondering if it wil be supplanted by Gnome Java Script and I should forsake Python?
<<< Just learning bash now but seeking bigger things
 
9:58 PM
are you for real
 
real?
Yes I'm serious.
What is the point in learning Python if GJS is the future?
 
GJS can step aside, i am making Moncton Script which shall only compile if you are within the confines of New Brunswick
Any questions mr @WinEunuuchs2Unix
 
I had fond memories of NB and NS and even NFLD but that has nothikng to do with computer futures.
Plus I don't think you can call a Eunuuch a Mr.
 
@AnttiHaapala this.. where the DID controller's trusted third parties need to override malicious activity by an attacker. See Section § 9. Security Considerations . ... w3c.github.io/did-core/#authorization-and-delegation what could possibly go wrong?
haha
The future of rogramming is at the hands of reactive programming paradigm. I hope GJS is tall enough to stand with giants.
 
@objectiveME The OS should play second fiddle to the App IMHO
 
10:05 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Shhh haloween is past due mate
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I do not like eunuchs, I use Linux.
 
@AnttiHaapala Pfft Hallowe'en was interesting but not relevant to chatroom. I probably don't like Eunuuchs either but never met one.
At least no one has come and said to me: "He I"m a Eunuuch"
The screen name is simply saying Linux gives you more powers than Windows. Case closed (I hope)
 
In ancient Persia and Greece Proskynesis used to mean two wildly different things
One was bowing to the king of kings, the other was eunuuching your royal assets in honor of the goddess about to be sacrificed
Now you know hahaha
 
Granted I have to learn more about Persia and Greece but FTR I think it's wrong to sacrifice beautiful virgiins to appease the gods I'm sure God wouldn't approve murdering beauty to appease the ugly.
 
The eunuuching process had to be done by the person who wants to honor the soon to be deceased goddess
 
10:15 PM
I understand how plain females want to decease a Goddess I just think it's wrong!
 
What on Earth is this debate about?
 
It's right up there with Beta Males wanting to decease Alpha Males.
 
In those days God was probably a guy called Aeschylus so the safety of a blonde didn't feature anywhere in the to do list ahhaha
 
@MisterMiyagi I'm happy to say I have python 3.6 and numpy 1.14 now. Not too shabby.
@WinEunuuchs2Unix uuuuuh yeah, can we please talk about something else?
 
@AndrasDeak I agree, the question originally was if GJS will supplant Python?
 
10:23 PM
I'm OK with that topic
 
I never asked if you were OK with the question :P
but the question is still the question
 
fortunately you don't have to ask, I'll let you know when I'm unhappy
 
I don't understand how your happiness effects reality?
Why do the facts care if you are happy?
 
My happiness is indeed irrelevant. When I said "unhappy" I really meant "thinking that the subject of the conversation in the chatroom is inappropriate". Which is relevant because I prefer appropriate conversation.
 
I agree in that other peoples judgement of Goddess is irrelevant. My judgement disagrees with theirs--plain and simple. So do you think Gnome Java Script will replace Python? (the original question)
 
10:28 PM
hahaha
Anyone using reactive bindings for python to explain a bit on the issue of parallelism
 
10:52 PM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix no, and the way you've presented this question belies your clear ability to answer Linux questions. It's nonsense.
 
no need to go there
 
11:39 PM
@objectiveME It's incredulous you can write source code that can only be compiled with New Brunswich.
in, computers are agnostic.
 
I heard about 'pandas-profiling' package and ran it on my validation dataset, it ran for an hour, forgot to save the results. Then ran it again, after four hours I realized it's running on my training dataset, which 800K rows and 217 features. 5 hours 20 mins in now and 100% utilization
 
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