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8:00 PM
I did defer to his expertise because he's been with g4dgetCorp a lot longer and has worked on a previous iteration of this project, and has more overall experience than I do
 
(now I've got ctypes, finally. And my pip-installed numpy is still broken :'( )
 
but ultimately, I feel defeated. How would you have handled something similar? (of course, I've left out some details for brevity)
 
Well, if you feel you have to defer to him, then presumably you were on equal footing, so who was overseeing the project?
 
because it was originally just me, I reported to Mr. Manager and I gave him progress reports ("the data is ready", "I'm processing", "<cloud platform> is slow", etc). But once Otherguy came in, he assumed model-dev responsibilities, and I responded by taking control of the data side of things. I thought we were on the same page, but I was clearly wrong
 
How often did you meet with Mr. Manager and what kind of updates did you give? Really, you'd hope that it would be picked up that things were going off-course.
 
8:06 PM
FWIW, I didn't feel like I needed to ask him for advice. I basically said "I see that we disagree. I have voiced my disagreement with your proposed methodology, but you still stand by it, so I'll just say you have more experience and you're probably right"
@roganjosh every week. The whole thing lasted 3-4 weeks
 
Mmm, I'd probably be voicing the disagreement in the meetings rather than just with the other guy
 
asking out of inexperienced naiveté: would that not come across as "throwing Otherguy under the bus"?
 
No. But the manager has a responsibility to try and draw these things out. It's not ok to have an approach where you just leave 2 guys to go off and assume that they are aligned on everything that are working on
 
The last time I disagreed about a coworker's design choice, I waited until he quit and then I quietly refactored it back to the way I liked
 
You don't go into the meeting thinking "I'm gonna throw all my disagreement out", but the conversation should at least be steered towards the contention coming out
 
8:09 PM
This is probably not very actionable advice, sorry
 
nahh... I thought about pulling his weight and getting us across the finish line and then bringing all of this up at the post-mortem. Alas I died before I got under the wire
 
If the manager doesn't initiate it, then you could raise it as a question. "We've been discussing doing x but I'm a bit concerned that y will happen. Do you have any thoughts on that?"
 
I think grad school has really beat the yams out of me and silenced me into not asking for help. I need to become ok with this somehow
ok thanks guys. This helps. I'll have to put this on a post-it and read every day
 
Also keep in mind that this is coming from the guy that has a modus operandi of secretly building prototypes up to the point that they were too functional to throw away before being discovered. <shrug> it worked... eventually :P Still, I don't think I've suggested an unreasonable course of action there
Gosh, the clean-up effort on Common elements comparison between 2 lists looks to have been remarkably effective. Nice work.
 
8:25 PM
@roganjosh normally, that's what I would have done. But this time, I didn't have any time to put towards that. I think I need to start asserting myself more and say "I've come up with this already. We need to stick to this because we have a limited amount of time to play with, even if you disagree with me"
 
@roganjosh that e in l2 and (l2.pop(l2.index(e)) or True) term hurts...
 
23 hours ago, by roganjosh
... perfectly cromulent. Please excuse me <heads to vomitorium>
It forever pains me that a vomitorium is not a room for vomiting, but I just use the word anyway to be read in such a way
 
@MisterMiyagi that hurts so much. Build two collections.Counters and set/count diff them
 
@MisterMiyagi still, 8 (I think) of my 9 downvotes have come back so it's no small clean-up from what it was yesterday
 
8:45 PM
@inspectorG4dget Oh, no, in that case I was going for a battle royale against another department, I just kept my plans quiet for as long as possible to strengthen my hand before it exploded. Which it did. I think on any of the spectrum of confrontation to silent objections, you should always keep at least something back to cover your own backside.
One potential outcome of that project would have been that the derailing got to the point of the extra 2 ninjas being assigned and you mentioning that you already had something close to an MVP on the original theme that you could work towards.
 
@roganjosh do I understand you correctly? "always keep an ace hidden up your sleeve. Meanwhile, keep pushing for what you think is the correct way of doing things without giving awy that you have an ace. When the yams hit the spinning turbine, then reveal your ace and save the day"
@roganjosh ohhhh!!! That's really good. I had NOT considered that
 
Pretty much. It's probably not the best outlook on things, but if I have enough conviction in what I think is the right way vs. what I see as a derailing, I try to put an hour or so into the original plan along the way anyway
 
that's good advice. I just went with "yes sensei" and assumed that I was stupid and wrong (damn you grad school!)
btw, if project Nidaba (or something similar) is still in active dev, I expect to have some tim ein the near future to put towards community projects, since I am no longer in school
 
@inspectorG4dget In this instance, the obviously-better approach would have been to have it discussed in the meetings as I originally suggested to avoid the derailing in the first place. But keep yourself covered :)
 
wait, what happened? why am I seeing the new question close boxes now? did the testing phase end already? oO
 
8:56 PM
understood (and thank you very much). I do also understand what you meant about putting an hour aside for myModel if I see us driving towards a cliff. I'll try to learn to determine which one is tactically correct
 
@MisterMiyagi still seeing the old ones here
 
@MisterMiyagi did you not see them earlier today?
 
hey guys, how would you go about storing a composite key in django?

I saw a few questions kinda touching on it but they said it had issues with 3+ keys
which is unfortunate as i need 3 strings to uniquely identify a row
 
@AndrasDeak the colours of autumn were filling my heart with joy
(aka yes, I had the yellow boxes before)
 
9:28 PM
@Skyler What issues? I would have thought the model was a proxy (? don't know the best term) for setting a composite index on the underlying db but I don't use Django
@inspectorG4dget I've watched your presentation and going through pyvolution but I'm not clear on how the fitness is defined exactly. You solved the TSP in your presentation; can your solver cope with hard constraints?
 
9:45 PM
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Q: Composite primary key in django

khajvahI have a legacy db table which has composite primary key. I don't think I will be able to change the structure to include a surrogate key, as there is some code written that uses that table. And in django, I cannot use that table, as it doesn't have a primary key(non-composite). Do django model...

 
"which is unfortunate as i need 3 strings to uniquely identify a row" --> define a single column as a primary key and add a unique index on the 3 values separately?
That's what I do with SQLA. Just have an auto-incrementing primary key and then a composite index on other columns unrelated to the primary key, which is given the property of being unique
Basically like this. I don't know how (if) it translates to django ORM
 
10:08 PM
@inspectorG4dget More of a general advice, but the most useful thing that I picked up in my first few years of professional work was to not attach emotions to projects. It's what you grow used to from uni and such, but it can turn unhealthy for you really fast in companies
 
wim
I don't understand what hiding the close voters usernames is supposed to be achieving
 
@Skyler It seems you can with Options.indexes
@wim backlash from new users yelling at particular close-voters
 
wim
err but the OP sees the names anyway
LOL
I totally support all closed questions being attributed to Martijn ... — rene 10 hours ago
 
Oh, well in that case, no, I don't either. I don't think I've seen 3rd-party new users yelling about someone else's question being closed against particular people
Now that I've looked again at the post on a desktop rather than mobile, that icon of an eye with a line through it makes me feel like I'm part of a crack team privy to secret info. I approve. I was not one of the lucky 50% in the trial, it seems
 
10:24 PM
Solutions for the pickle puzzle from earlier are up if anyone's interested
 
10:56 PM
@roganjosh what does the second line in meta do there?
 
11:07 PM
@Skyler _idx is the default added to an index name in Postgres (maybe others). That makes sense for a single column index, but probably not for a composite index. My guess is that they're illustrating how you can pass a name to your index, but it may be more helpful to have used a composite index to illustrate
For example, if I want my city, road and house number as a composite, I'd probably just want to call it "address_idx" rather than leave it up to the db to come up with a name from the 3 fields. Still, I'm just guessing
 
11:28 PM
@Skyler My intuition is that models.Index(fields=['last_name', 'first_name']), and models.Index(fields=['first_name'], name='first_name_idx') are unrelated and trying to show two different aspects of the feature. I would look into it but I'd rather not add django stuff onto my mental stack right now :)
 
11:40 PM
yea, thanks for the pointers
 
@Skyler np. I think I've given enough for you to investigate my line of thought, please do report back on whether I'm right or wrong
 
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