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12:05 AM
Hey all, looking to figure out if it's possible to monkey patch a CPython function globally? I can't seem to find anything on the matter in my SO/Google Fu searches.
 
12:18 AM
Ah... looks like it can't be done
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A: Monkey patching C extension in Python

Ignacio Vazquez-AbramsCorrect. Types defined in C cannot have arbitrary attributes added.

assuming this still applies to Python 2.7
actually interestingly enough.. within the local namespace of a function or module I can
but when I call other functions from other modules, this monkey patch doesn't work
:/
 
Cbg
Survived the first day. Wrote some ColdFusion code
And by "wrote" I mean that I made one small change to a god awful code base
 
12:55 AM
Ha HA! I got it! Thanks for being my rubber ducky!
 
cbg
I have a query:

if I wanted to turn this:

Lists of animals
Lists of aquarium life
Lists of biologists by author abbreviation
Lists of cultivars

into:

* Lists of animals
* Lists of aquarium life
* Lists of biologists by author abbreviation
* Lists of cultivars
Would I be better using split, or replace?
The Automate text states:
https://automatetheboringstuff.com/chapter6/
"The \n newline characters in this string cause it to be displayed with multiple lines when it is printed or pasted from the clipboard. There are many “lines” in this one string value. You want to add a star to the start of each of these lines.

You could write code that searches for each \n newline character in the string and then adds the star just after that. But it would be easier to use the split() method to return a list of strings, one for each line in the original string, and then add the star to the front of eac
 
1:15 AM
If you split, you're not adding a special case for just the first row
 
It's still two instead of four lines. Would there be a reason to use the split method instead? I wrote the replace code before I followed down to what the Automate guy talks you through, and didn't understand why what he wrote would be better/simpler, apart from the special case point.
 
You can do it in one line, if you want.
But that would involve a comprehension, which I assume the book hasn't gotten to yet
 
something like xs.split("\n").map(x => "* "+x).join("\n")
does python have sequence methods like this?
 
It has comprehensions and map as a free floating function
What you've described would be "\n".join("* " + line for line in xs.split("\n"))
 
what a backwards language
 
1:27 AM
Well, that line seems to go both backwards and forwards
 
@davidism you motivated me to run. I went for a run tonight.
Thanks.....I suppose... :P
 
Yeah haven't got to that yet. I thought he'd mentioned replace but either way I'd seen it, and it seemed simpler to me than what it turned out he talked you through.
 
evening cbg folks
 
I'm sorry :-P
 
accepted
 
1:35 AM
evening
 
the mosquitos were out in full force tonight
 
As they were last night when I sealed my fence (or some thereof). There weren't today, although it was pleasantly cloudy when I ripped out the bushes in my sister-in-law's front garden. Maybe I've to active to be a programmer...
time to put the kids to bed, rbrb y'all
 
a mosquito fence ay…
 
 
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2:57 AM
Cabbage
@AndrasDeak Beware of ending strings with an odd number of backslashes: the final backslash escapes the quote, even in raw strings.
@toonarmycaptain FWIW, strings also have a .splitlines method, which is probably slightly more efficient than .split("\n"); also, it takes a boolean arg that allows you to specify whether you want to retain the line endings or not.
 
Let's say I have a pandas dataframe groupby that looks like this:
df.groupby(['pk', 'model'])
the column names on this result are like so:
pk, price, model, manufacturer, quantity, transaction_amount
I want to, using `df.groupby(['pk', 'model']).sum()` calculate the totals in both the `transaction_amount` and `quantity` columns. I've tried googling it, but the best I got was `axis=1`, which is kind of what I want, but I don't want ALL of the columns aggregated. And I read the docs, and it doesn't work with `numeric_only=True`, either.
 
@CoryMadden I don't know Pandas, but this looks useful: stackoverflow.com/a/11287278/4014959
 
3:13 AM
@PM2Ring I guess splitlines would be better. I just queried why the author took the student through it that way when a student (well, this student) at that stage of the text came up with an arguably simpler/straightforward method that was different to his. [Usually there's a reason why they do it differently from what immediately occurs to me...]
 
Thanks, @PM2Ring, while it LOOKS like it's going to work, it does the same thing. it just drops that column and only gives me the quantity column
 
@toonarmycaptain Well, using replace to put asterisks at the start of each line is slightly messy, since you need to handle the first & last lines as special cases. But I guess he showed it mostly because it's often a good way to deal with line-oriented data.
Of course, if you have a huge text file, it's often desirable to process it line by line, rather than reading the whole thing into RAM.
 
@PM2Ring Fair enough. I only dealt with the last line, to be fair.
@PM2Ring Ah. Good point.
 
anyone who does sklearn here?
@CoryMadden?
 
no, not yet
 
3:24 AM
ok
 
@toonarmycaptain But bear in mind when reading older books (or books by older authors) that some of us learned on systems with much smaller RAM than modern machines, and so we were trained to be very frugal of RAM. It's still good to know how to process files in lines or small chunks, but it's often more convenient these days to just read the whole thing in one hit. But some of the old-timers sometimes forget that loading a few MB of data is nothing these days. :)
 
SO...
lines = text.splitlines(True)
text = '* '.join(lines)
...would be equally as concise? Albeit not *quite* as readable as my method.
 
@toonarmycaptain That looks ok to me. And readability is a relative thing: the more you use a particular syntax, the more readable it becomes. So although Python's str.join seems strange at first, you soon get used to it.
 
@PM2Ring Understood. Personally, I think some software companies could do with looking back to the days when getting the codebase as small as possible, and as CPU/RAM light as possible was more of a priority. But my family goes back to punchcard days, and the early computers, along with the Gemini and Apollo flight computers/software, are fascinating to me.
@PM2Ring Also a good point.
 
@toonarmycaptain Cool. I used punchcards for my first 4 years or so of programming. An old friend of my family was the "head computer guy" in Australia for some of the Apollo missions; he has some great stories of the good old days.
 
3:31 AM
@PM2Ring You mean at Parks?
 
@toonarmycaptain He might've been based at Parkes then, I can't remember, but he was certainly processing the data coming into Parkes.
Back then, the hardware / software demarcation wasn't strong, and he had a lot of knowledge about both.
 
@PM2Ring I bet he does have some great stories. Have you seen/heard of the movie "The Dish"?
 
I suppose he probably would've been based at Parkes, since we didn't have much infrastructure capable of data transmission back then. I guess they could've been using telephone lines to transmit data, although that would've been tricky: this is before STD, so long-distance calls were trunk calls, manually placed with the operator.
And so if they'd used the phone line to transmit data continuously then that would've blocked a big chunk of the phone service in western NSW. :)
 
@PM2Ring Well they were getting the data (at a bandwidth including the landing imagery) back to the US, so they were transmitting somehow.
 
@toonarmycaptain I know about the movie, but I've never managed to see it.
I've been to Parkes, to the radio telescope, but that was back in the mid 1970s.
 
3:45 AM
@PM2Ring It's fun. And I'm impressed at your use of "NSW" lol
 
@toonarmycaptain Well, I have lived most of my life in NSW. ;)
 
Not Safe for Whales
 
@PM2Ring Oh! Not many Aussies on here. Or maybe I'm just used to living in the 'states, where it's like "Perth, is that near Sydney?"
 
@toonarmycaptain I'm the only regular non-expat Aussie here, although there's a guy who lives in northern NSW who drops by from time time. Wim (the guy with the badger avatar) is an expat living in the States, originally from Melbourne but now in Chicago, IIRC.
 
hey i drop by from time to time too
(from Melbourne)
 
3:50 AM
@PM2Ring I'm not content to call myself an ex-pat yet, as the PLAN is to move back. Although I suppose I was an expat when I was living in Australia in the first place.
 
where did you start?
 
@Cauterite Strewth! It's an impromptu Aussie convention. :)
 
@Kevin awesome!
thanks a bunch, that makes it very clear, the print was just for debug purposes!! Thank you!
 
actually i may be forgetting that this is the python room
not really my natural habitat
 
Come to Python! We have more fun here. ;)
 
3:57 AM
i don't like the lambda syntax
 
Well well. Now I miss home.
 
@toonarmycaptain so you moved to australia, then away again? where did you start?
 
Someone send me a box of cherry ripes.
@Cauterite I started in the UK
 
ah cool; what kind of accent do you have?
 
@Cauterite That's sort-of intentional. Guido doesn't like lambdas, so he doesn't want to encourage their use. :)
Back shortly
 
4:02 AM
It's actually funny, we brought back a box of Flakes, and shared them with an expat Aussie, and an expat Zimbabwean
 
i didn't know cherryripes or flakes were australia-only
 
I guess I have an Aussie-British accent? I get picked for an Aussie here, but in Australia they pick me for a Brit. I tend to reflect the accent of my audience for ease of comprehension.
I think Cherry Ripes are? You can't get either here. Flakes are from the UK as well.
As apparently is Strongbow, which is in stores here now, and I assumed was made in Australia.
@Cauterite It just amuses me that we brought back product for people in the US, who would have originally got it in Africa imported from the UK.
 
mm
i couldn't see myself living in any country that doesn't have fish'n'chips shops
 
@Cauterite Le sigh
My inlaws are from New Orleans and make gumbo though, so some of that balances out :)
 
strange name for a stew
 
4:10 AM
@Cauterite It's amazing.
 
i'll take your word for it
 
You don't get fresh seafood inland here like you do over there. In WA anyway, they truck/fly seafood in fresh to a lot of places daily. Which explains the awful excuses for fish and chips here.
 
perhaps they have decent red meat over there instead?
i've never tasted any foreign mammals
 
Well lamb is very expensive. And sure you can buy decent steak, but it's $20/kg (bear in mind I made $7.70/hr working at Walmart).
I haven't tasted bison or buffalo, I don't know what other red meats are common over here except beef.
 
$20/kg sounds reasonable, i think?
 
4:18 AM
@Cauterite It feels more expensive here compared to minimum wage.
 
well US minimum wage is abysmal
 
buffalo makes some great jerky
 
my favourite meat is probably swordfish
somehow it's pretty affordable here
but not every butcher sells it
 
I've rarely been to a butcher here. There aren't many because for some reason most malls don't have food shops, and Walmart, Target and the other standalone food shops corner the meat market.
 
what about supermarkets?
 
4:30 AM
That's what I meant by standalone food shops. Aldi is one we share.
 
oh i see
 
But they're generally not in malls, for some reason?
 
this is interesting: "minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers with the expectation that wages plus tips total no less than $7.25 per hour"
i've actually never seen anyone receive a tip, in my entire life
 
I've told the pizza guy to keep the change, and I used to get tips as a glassie at the races, but apart from that, me either before I moved here.
 
oh what's a "glassie" ?
do you go around collecting peoples' empty glasses ?
 
4:36 AM
I did. And occasionally taking money and fetching drinks. People gambled and got drunk...so sometimes those tips were very generous ;)
 
cool
 
It's a through-the-rabbit-hole world over here
 
hmm, meaning everything's all surreal and unintuitive?
(i honestly don't know what that's supposed to mean)
 
did you move there for work or something?
 
4:50 AM
re-cbg
 
I married an American.
 
ah fair enough
 
@Cauterite in the US, tipping is standard practice when you go anywhere that someone serves you.
most high end restaurants charge a 15-20% gratuity on your bill
@toonarmycaptain down under you have grocery stores in your malls?
 
5:08 AM
@Code-Apprentice Yes, I can't remember one without one. They're really based around them in some respects like malls in the US are based around department stores.
 
interesting
 
I mean the malls will have department stores too and be setup around them, but some malls don't have any, just a grocery store or two, and smaller specialty stores.
Target and KMart are department stores in Australia, and I've never seen one outside of a mall. Come to think of it I've never seen a KMart in the US myself.
 
KMart is dying out in the US
The one in my home town shut down within the last 10 years.
Walmart pretty much put Kmart out of business
Here Kmart and Walmart are considered a department store, but is always in its own building, not a mall. Also, they are much less expensive that department stores like Macys.
or even JC Penny.
 
i guess the closest we have to Walmart would be something like Costco?
 
Costco is a little bit different.
Walmart doesn't have a lot of bulk items. Like you can buy individual items and not necessarily a whole case.
and there is no membership fee for walmart.
 
5:17 AM
yeah, i can't think of anything closer though
 
We have Sam's Club which is almost exactly like Costco.
 
And costco actually pays their employees
 
yah, walmart has the reputation for low wages
well, time for bed. 2nd day of the new job tomorrow
 
what do you do?
 
no python yet...probably will do some tomorrow with selenium testing
I'm a web app developer
or learning to be one
 
5:20 AM
good luck
 
thanks
rhubarb all and good night
 
rhubarb
@Code-Apprentice ...but I see you in here all the time?
Hey what do better minds think of this machine:
https://www.samsclub.com/sams/dell-15-6-notebook-intel-core-ci7-7500u/prod20592099.ip?
 
looks heavy
oh it has an optical drive, interesting
 
I'm looking at buying it, since it's 20% off.
Why is that interesting?
And...yeah I don't really care about heavy.
 
optical drives seem kind of uncommon in laptops now
but yeah it seems decent; just make sure it supports whatever OS you want to put on it
 
5:29 AM
Well I'll probably be keeping windows on it for the moment. I don't really need something highend, apart from running Kerbal, and making it last a few years.
 
i'd probably rather have a quad-core CPU, even if the clock speed isn't as high
but quadcore is a tall order for laptops (for some reason)
 
Cooling mostly I suspect.
The only real concern I have is batter life...
 
the page says "Ethernet: 10/100 Ethernet LAN"
i'd be shocked if it didn't support gigabit ethernet, but you should double-check that
 
True. I don't expect to ever use it on a LAN
*Ethernet cord
 
Sic transit gloria sodii.
 
5:38 AM
You ok @AnttiHaapala?
 
130
Q: Sunsetting Documentation

Jon Ericson We will stop accepting contributions to Documentation on August 8 On behalf of everyone who worked on Documentation, I want to thank all 15,451 users who contributed. We particularly want to acknowledge the 294 people who tested the private beta and the 2,361 who pounded on the public beta in ...

never better :d
 
i lost interest in Documentation pretty quickly
 
I still think it's a great idea.
but it is rhubarb for tonight for me
 
5:56 AM
ummm... no
 
cbg
 
7:01 AM
cbg all
 
7:37 AM
cbg
 
7:49 AM
@AnttiHaapala looool... short lived project. tbh, never put a word in it
 
cbg
 
@PM2Ring it happens often with question related to python to get that sort of massive downvotes
@Victoria \o
 
@AndyK And rightly so, when it's an obvious homework dump with zero effort made by the OP. Especially for a problem that can be answered with a line or two of very basic code.
 
@PM2Ring I agree
 
my experiment with react failed
going old school with full server side rendering
 
why are most coders guys?
all the questions in SO are stemming from dude
 
8:54 AM
@AndyK Not necessarily. Some of the women here prefer to not make it obvious that they're women.
 
@IljaEverilä it's overkill
seriously
 
@AndyK This may interest you stackoverflow.blog/2017/01/19/…
 
@PM2Ring that was the post I was thinking to, PM2Ring
 
Can't speak for others, but I often feel like people treat me differently if they know I'm a girl. Most of the time I prefer not to make it obvious.
 
@AndyK Rightio.
 
8:58 AM
@AndyK women tend to not like engineering
i guess
 
@Victoria not sure what to say
 
@khajvah I know :|
 
@khajvah I don't know. I've started some code initiative a few years ago and there were women who were interested and who kept coming
but my "sample" is quite tiny
 
I want my future wife to be an engineer
 
2 womens
 
9:01 AM
Some of us try to encourage women who're interested in programming, but there are plenty of guys who aren't very welcoming to women. It's a complex topic, and it doesn't just come down to male chauvinism.
 
@PM2Ring it is
 
@khajvah Due to my own incompetence with React I feel that the whole "universal apps" is a bit of a lie. Setting it up for a nontrivial web "app" seems like a huge hassle.
 
@PM2Ring a friend of mine created that initiative in Paris , aiming womens for coding -> amontourdeprogrammer.fr
I will need to ask him about the retention rate
he has been doing it for a year
 
In my class when we started there were about 30 % women, that's pretty good to be honest. It has been much worse. The dropout rate is higher for women though, but this is only one school and one program. I guess a lot of girls feel like there's a sort of silent discouragement.
 
@Victoria that's interesting. Do you form groups to combat the implicit discouragement?
 
9:07 AM
A century or so ago, upper/middle class ladies were encouraged in mathematical studies, and so we get people like Ada Lovelace who's often cited as the first programmer. But then we had a century where mathematics was seen as a boys' subject, and girls didn't have the right kind of brain for it.
But in the last decade or two here in Australia a lot of effort has gone into smashing that attitude, and now many of the top maths students in senior high school are girls, in some cases the girls are in the majority. Sure, maths isn't the same as programming, but there is a sizable overlap of the required mental faculties. And a bit of maths knowledge doesn't hurt if you want to be a good programmer. ;)
 
@PM2Ring that's a good initiative
 
FWIW, I haven't done much formal programming study, but when I did, 2 of my programming teachers were women. In the mid-late 1970s there were quite a few women going into programming. But for various reasons that tapered off.
 
@PM2Ring that's interesting. You gave me an idea
 
@Victoria On the xkcd forums there used to be a forum regular who was doing an engineering degree. In that field, in her experience, the discouragement wasn't always silent. She found it wasn't easy to get the men to take her seriously.
 
I haven't, but some do. There are plenty of groups for girls in my school and I think they are pretty good for getting to know other girls.
A lot of my teachers are actually women, I think that is one of the best ways to encourage the women already pursuing a degree because it gives you good role models early on.
5
 
@PM2Ring +1
 
Yeah, I find it's a little bit weird in a way. A lot of people remarks on stuff I do and belittle it, it's really annoying. On the other hand I think it seems better when trying to find a job because a lot of companies want to have a better balance in their work force so they try to hire girls.
 
guys, what type of apps get you familiar with timezones ?
 
@marsouf this chat room is for Python...
 
yeah i know, i'm looking to implement it in py
 
9:27 AM
@marsouf Unfortunately, Python has a bad reputation when it comes to proper handling of timezones. The standard datetime module originally had terrible timezone support. It's a bit better now, but it's still not good. There are various 3rd-party modules which attempt to improve the situation, but as far as I know none of them is perfect. Antti Haapala can probably give more details about the merits of those modules.
 
Cabbage!
 
@Victoria That's good, but I'm sure it's not easy working with a bunch of guys that aren't used to working with women. OTOH, the only way to break the cycle is to make sure they get the opportunity to work with women. Of course, if things don't work out so well, that can put a lot of pressure on the women.
 
@IljaEverilä yeap, too much stuff to worry about while you gain little. Once you set up your beautiful react web app, you start to worry about SEO, start mixing server side/client side rendering and end up with overly complicated stuff.
I have never met a guy who belittles somebody's work just because she is a woman
 
@PM2Ring Well to be honest I feel like it's a bit unfair hehe. I would prefer not to feel like my gender influences what kinds of jobs I can get at all.
 
@khajvah My thoughts and experience so far exactly. I've a feeling that React is nice in moderation, but pain for anything bigger than a 2 view SPA or such. YMMV.
 
9:39 AM
@poke o/
 
\o
 
@Victoria I don't think it's healthy to choose your new hiring based on gender
or race or anything
 
@khajvah I agree
 
@Victoria Oh, it's very unfair. But the world is what it is, and we have to deal with this sort of stuff the best we can, making little changes when we have the opportunity.
 
@PM2Ring I agree
 
9:42 AM
hello, i have key (0010, 0010) and I can acces to him by [0x10, 0x10] this is works :D
but how can I access to (0010,1010) for example or how can I convert (0010, 0010) to [0x10, 0x10]
 
@PM2Ring " but I'm sure it's not easy working with a bunch of guys that aren't used to working with women" how so?
 
@drozdzynski “him”? Is that key binary? Then you shouldn’t use hexadecimal numbers (0x10 is 16 in decimal).
 
@khajvah Guys who aren't used to working with women can have a tendency to not be fully accepting of the woman as an equal team member. Of course this is a generalization, but it does seem to happen a lot, in a wide variety of fields. You'd think it wouldn't be an issue in a more intellectual pursuit like programming, but it is.
 
I can confirm that unfortunately.
Guys can be real jerks.
 
I have never had such experience.
and I live in a country where there actually is some gender inequality
 
9:55 AM
@poke yeah definitely for some
 
@khajvah are you looking for it though? Or perhaps your tolerance threshold is lower? I think it's easier to forget insults from idiots (because they're idiots) than things like being treated differently by a group of regular dudes.
 
One of my first job was in a datacenter a few years ago. It was a guy-guy env, very rough , guys shouting at each others, rarely but coming to hands from time to time, and then came a few womens and the atmosphere get more relax.
One of them, M, was fantastic, she did a great job. Very reliable
 
@Victoria I am a man. But I would notice such behavior
 
@khajvah I guess that is a good thing then
 
10:10 AM
This OP Seems Inordinately Fond Of Title Case stackoverflow.com/questions/45457751/… :)
That question isn't fantastic, but I have to give him points for effort. I'm not going to write an answer, but if someone here does, I'll probably upvote it. ;)
Thanks for doing that edit, @ThierryLathuille
 
10:44 AM
TIL - not all strings that are .isdigit() can be converted to int using int:
>>> c = '\xb2'
>>> c
'²'
>>> c.isdigit()
True
>>> int(c)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '²'
 
@PM2Ring Not Enough for Prepositions Apparently.
 
@PaulMcG Yes, it's slightly annoying. I guess you can always just do EAFP, but it's not so efficient if you expect a lot of the strings to raise the ValueError when you try to convert them.
 
11:09 AM
Hey guys
I want to execute a python via in a python program
I tried to use: os.system("python test.py")
but it didn't compiled properly
I also tried execfile("test.py")
but again didn't worked
anyone can help me please?
 
“it didn't compiled properly” – What does that even mean?
 
Can you run test.py by itself?
 
@PaulMcG Yup
I wanna write a code to automatically run 4 python files
 
@Kiarash why don't you include those 4 scripts and run them in that way?
 
If you got any error messages, it would be helpful to post those too - "didn't worked" could be just about anything
 
11:14 AM
@khajvah I haven't tried that but the python files have some arguments where I have to change several times
@PaulMcG It says the "test.py" didn't find
 
Why do you think it said that?
 
I have no idea because right before running this code, I wrote os.system("pwd")
and I after that wrote this one: os.system("python relative directory/test.py")
 
BTW the os module includes a number of system methods that will let you do things like pwd without having to spin up a process with os.system. Try os.getcwd()
If you are on a recent Python, using Path from the pathlib module: print(pathlib.Path('test.py').exists())
Rbrb, off to work
 
12:06 PM
@PM2Ring yam, I completely missed that. Thanks!
>>> df = pd.DataFrame({'a':[0,1,0,1], 'b':[2,2,3,2], 'c':[1,1,1,1], 'd':[2,2,2,2], 'e':[3,3,3,3]})
>>> df
   a  b  c  d  e
0  0  2  1  2  3
1  1  2  1  2  3
2  0  3  1  2  3
3  1  2  1  2  3
>>> df.groupby(['a','b'])['d','e'].sum()
     d  e
a b
0 2  2  3
  3  2  3
1 2  4  6
@CoryMadden is this^ what you meant ?
 
12:24 PM
How does one clear a python interview :-(
I keep failing
:-(
any advice from the Pros?
Clearing a .NET interview was not hard at all compared to python
 
how's your .NET compared to your python?
 
@AndrasDeak I would say my python and .NET are on same level
For Java and .NET the questions are usually similar but with python everything is random
 
Also, Epic work on formatting chat tut..
 
with a language with built-in timsort nobody wants you to implement bubble sort? :P
 
12:29 PM
@AndrasDeak Ha ha Nice one
With python each interviewer has a couple of puzzles (Which i of course fail at cracking), I can see that the quality of python programmers is much better than that of Java or .NET
I also feel like I might be actually bad at the language
I am generally good with googling my way out of problems and stuff but I guess that wont cut it.
 
quick cbg
RAPID FIRE CBG
I bring forward a gift however
someone shared this and I bring this to you
enjoy. It's a good one.
 
how can one contribute to python documentation in stackoverflow.com/documentation/python/topics , suppose you find that something can be better explained or is ambiguous
 
@Anarach puzzle cracking doesn't determine your quality
or knowledge of the language
 
PHP is best language.
 
@pajamas Triggered!!!!!
 
12:41 PM
no Mongodb is the best
 
@khajvah It has DB in its name lol
 
@idjaw hehehe
 
@poke I agree with that statement 100%
@AndrasDeak I know right? haha
 
@pythonRcpp have you seen this‌​?
 
docs is going bye bye
 
12:46 PM
nothing of value lost
 
or gained
it's just....gone.
 
well there's superfluous rep retained
 
 
I like how they don't want to admit that it just failed. "We still think Stack Overflow Documentation is a good idea." ... " Unfortunately, we can't afford to work on the problem at the moment."
 
they have to stand by it
 
12:47 PM
how to post a pic
 
The greatest trick that SOD ever pulled was convincing the world there was a need for it
@pajamas you don't. Please. Don't.
I can guarantee it's not going to be funny and you're going to get into trouble for it
 
@AndrasDeak hah
 
pics are reserved for those who need to use them.
you don't need to use them
 
@AndrasDeak did it though? It wouldn't be contributed to if not the internetz points
 
depends on the language, actually
well, and it wasn't supposed to be docs but examples, but other than that.....
anyway, rhubarb for now
 
12:50 PM
rbrb
 
rbrb
 
@Victoria I agree. I think in general, the younger they are to exposure too, the better. I have children, and I'm already noticing certain stereotypes being played, and unfortunately this even comes from educators. A lot of it needs to come from home too to build that character to know what to stand up for. But, society also does a good job at influencing.
I'm hopeful, and I try to do as much as I can to help my children and help anyone else I can (I've mentored to help encourage and promote)
those who really believe and encourage change try to make a difference and we need more of those people.
 
@vaultah omg .. it was posted today only, and over the years I thought of contributing all little interesting things I learned (and forgot due to non usage) :(
 
over the years? I don't think it lasted over a year
 
@idjaw i meant.. contributing to some documentation (i liked so docs, far better than python official docs)
 
12:57 PM
oh goodness, child. no
the official docs are pretty good
 
@pythonRcpp I strongly disagree
 
and this has actually been discussed heavily
in this room
I for one am of the opinion that if you feel strongly against official documentation, then try to improve it
don't try to create a new thing to compete agains the official thing
 

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