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1:00 PM
When I built a PC for uni, it would barely ever even start. I triple checked everything, and then eventually checked the only thing I knew was okay: I removed the fan from the CPU. Under the fan I found a bit of plastic which was helpfully there to cover some nice thermal glue. Turns out that plastic was not a great conductor.
 
lol
 
stupid thermal glue, who needs 'em
@tristan I'm still confused by that reaction of yours, so let me make it clear: by "miscarriage" I was paraphrasing DOA for poke
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak haha, yeah, "miscarriage" just made me say "oh god" and get a little sad inside
 
user559633
i might actually hand the parts back to the sales person and say my asus had a miscarriage
 
ok:D didn't want to make it even worse for you
But hey, I made a difference! <it's something.gif>
 
1:06 PM
wat, those sign spinners actually earn money?
 
user559633
hah, no, it's just computer junk. annoying, but it's not like i'd ever get upset at people making jokes
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala yeah, but almost none. cash "under the table", so they don't really have to pay taxes and can still get government services
 
what can you do if a guy's hobby is spinning arrows in the street, arrows that happen to have company logos on them?
 
user559633
in america? sue him
 
:D
the country of opportunities Land of Opportunity
 
1:10 PM
I think you could get fired for that even here
 
user559633
best country to be very rich or otherwise not work in
 
Hurting the company's reputation can get you fired
All countries are the best to be rich in
;P
 
not really
 
user559633
not really, no.
 
the poorer the country, the better it is to be rich in
except North Korea
 
user559633
1:11 PM
america is great for the polar edges of society.
 
Mention one country you'd rather be poor than rich in
 
and perhaps in Somalia it is ok to be rich, if the currency is assault rifles
 
@AndrasDeak well, if you are considered rich in a rich country, it's even better
 
user559633
but there are some countries in which your family is not safe if you're very rich.
 
@khajvah I'm not sure
 
1:12 PM
@tristan happened even in Finland.
 
Imagine something like Kuwait. You're rich, but you can't park your gold-plated Lambo because of all the other gold-plated Lambos
the fewer the rich you're part of, the greater the power
 
@AndrasDeak When everyone's rich, noone is.
Still, imagine being poor in Kuwait
 
yea that
 
I don't think economists agree:D
 
user559633
1:14 PM
> Bides says if a robot does take his job, he's not worried about finding another one. His only real quibble with the mannequins is that they all seem to be white. He requests equal opportunity for Latina mannequins, too.
 
user559633
never change NPR
 
If you get 10k per month in my country you will pretty much be rich
 
it holds an absolute value if you can wipe your ass with silken toilet paper, even if everybody else does that
 
10k what?
 
dollars
 
user559633
1:14 PM
10k per month
 
user559633
Aww, you broke my timing
 
10k USD in my country would make you rich too
 
@AndrasDeak yeah it does, but most people don't care about that
 
most people suck:P
 
user559633
in parts of the USA, 10k USD per month means you're very rich too.
 
1:15 PM
also, they're a bunch of bastards
 
well it'd be OK here as well, especially after taxes
 
but it's hard to get 10k per month here, considering the average salary is about $200
 
cbg, all. enjoying this convo with my morning coffee :P
 
a little more than that
 
user559633
cbg wgwz
 
user559633
1:15 PM
i'm going to move to moscow and just stream video games in english
 
googles 10k USD --> that's government territory here
only our most corrupt politicians make that much money
 
10k/mo is pretty good!
 
it is hard to get 10k€ per month here, considering that the average is 3.3k€ and median 3k€
 
our most corrupt ones make millions
average corrupt ones make 10k
 
@khajvah I'm talking legally
 
1:17 PM
oh legally the president makes <3k
illegally however, ...
 
10k/mo is low for a C-level executive, I think
 
well, illegal is a different kettle of fish altogether:D
 
lol. I am from finland, here they don't make any money illegally
 
@WayneWerner what about C++? OOP is the future
 
good luck trying
 
user559633
1:17 PM
10k/mo is pretty good for C-level in some parts of the US, especially depending on what specialization
 
it's on the high end for a software dev
 
@AndrasDeak impressive
 
@AnttiHaapala screw your ideal country and all its civilized inhabitants :P
 
user559633
here in the US, if you're rich and a politician, you can even get away with treason
 
^that
 
1:18 PM
@AndrasDeak not ideal,
I am not making 10k
 
user559633
lol if you think there are politicians not making money illegally
 
from here, it is:D
 
user559633
jesus christ i want to huff that idealism in
 
if you're rich you can get away with a lot of strange things
 
even our road police is corrupt and takes bribes from literally everybody
 
1:18 PM
if all your problems are first world problems, it's an ideal world;)
 
@tristan I think you need to say more things like that on twitch
 
user559633
by definition, wouldn't a first world problem be fear of russia?
 
googles rules for citizenship in Finland
 
user559633
@RobertGrant unfortunately, my ability to say amusing things really demands on an active chat
 
user559633
catch22 :/
 
1:19 PM
Ah yeah
Would you rather we used twitch chat or so chat?
 
user559633
saying amusing things will net me followers and an active chat that i can respond to, but i need an active chat first
 
user559633
twitch is probably better because sometimes people will wander in and ask "wait, what other chat"
 
it would be nice if I could access twitch chat without twitch
to go with livestreamer
 
user559633
but i totally understand that my new hobby is already very off-topic
 
@tristan yeah, unlike corrupt politicians:P
 
user559633
1:20 PM
can you not just use the twitch chat without the twitch window? you can at least pause the video and watch in livestreamer
 
This room? Off topic?
 
@tristan I can certainly try and see:)
 
user559633
i haven't coded for a week, and even then, it was javascript
 
:(
 
sssh, you were doing great
 
user559633
1:20 PM
IRL shit just drove a bus into my attention span
 
user559633
6 hour commitment a week (a stream)? perfect.
 
@tristan You should generally be aware of buses... they can hurt if they hit you :)
 
what games are you playing?
FTL only?
 
user559633
@khajvah FTL seems popular for the room, so i've been doing that. once i return my bad hardware, i was thinking of doing something like overwatch, doom, or anything by request
 
user559633
1:22 PM
probably some SNES and NES games coming up
 
I would love to stream civilization but my english is too poor, so I will annoy everybody
 
@tristan +1 for that
 
@tristan I can pop out twitch chat!
 
Who else wants @tristan to stream Commander Keen?
 
it still eats some CPU (for an active stream), but much less than the stream itself
 
1:23 PM
Something that creates a copy of something, is that a “copier”? Or is copier only the machine to scan&print documents?
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak living the dream.
 
what can I say, I have low expectations from life
 
user559633
@poke copier in US-english refers to the machine itself.
 
user559633
"self-replicating" would be well understood
 
user559633
@WayneWerner sure, i'd do it. i'd have to do 10 hours of prep work to be an expert in it
 
1:24 PM
I’ll use “copy creator” then
 
user559633
i know the background of it, and people seem to like learning history
 
@poke duplicator?
 
Cloning Machine
 
replicator (and beam me up)
 
I want “copy” to be part of it, since it actually creates an object which type is called a “Copy”
 
1:24 PM
Now I want to see if I can stream old DOS games and get paid for it :P
 
DupliCopificator
 
hah
 
@tristan it is very hard here
 
user559633
@WayneWerner Which ones? I haven't set up a donation system yet, but when I do, I think I'll set up a thing that splits funds between myself and the ASPCA
 
@AnttiHaapala Only people who worry about law would find it difficult. In India, its hard to find a genuine politician.
Bottom line: Power corrupts all.
 
user559633
1:29 PM
in america, we like to pretend that our politicians aren't corrupt, when really, the ones that "aren't corrupt" are the ones that are really good at controlling the system
 
People who aren't corrupt, just stay in and watch TV.
 
user559633
if i was a politician, i don't think i'd be corrupt. the idea of power doesn't really excite me and i'm not that interested in money
 
@tristan I say that too but who knows what would happen if I actually had the opportunity
 
That's why you'll never get to be a politician
 
@poke What about a Copyist?
 
user559633
1:32 PM
@KevinMGranger Exactly. To be a career politician, you have to be really driven by the idea of power and authority
 
Already committed the name ^^
 
@tristan There are only two types of people in the world. People who got a chance and the people who didn't :D
 
user559633
@khajvah Eh. If I owned my house and had enough to do a couple nice vacations a year, that would be enough for me.
 
IntrepidBrit? Pah! More like TardyBrit
 
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
 
1:33 PM
Yes, I was also thinking of that :)
 
user559633
100% yeah. HGTTG is great.
 
I only just started reading the sequels last week. I'm on to the last one now :(
 
user559633
Great reads.
 
@KevinMGranger Wonder if that applies to mods :p
 
user559633
I know it gets said often, but this room is amazing. You can have a dozen people talking about international politics and things-with-raging-fanboys and everything is civil.
 
1:35 PM
Actions on SO are almost 100% transparent and accountability structures are different
@tristan what the yam did you just call me
 
“almost 100% transparent” [citation needed]
 
user559633
I think the difference is in expectation of leaders in subcultures -- we expect and want actual people.
 
Aren't all mod actions visible? or is that only to other mods
 
Gandhi fought for freedom, but when it came to politics, he simply stayed away... Of course, exceptions cannot be examples... :D
 
Oh god someone mentioned Gandhi in front of Tristan.
 
user559633
1:37 PM
Haha. Gandi is a great registrar.
 
user559633
Sidestepped.
 
Get the tranquiliser dart.
 
"dark" - way to make it about race, Fizzy
 
user559633
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: DIDN'T BERATE A RESPECTED FRIEND
 
cute puppy runs for cover
 
user559633
1:37 PM
i'm learning you guys!
 
s/UNLOCKED/FAILED/
 
No hooman. We are learning you
#worlddominationisnear
 
user559633
we need one of those microsoft tay AIs
 
We've got one.
 
But it just answers questions?
 
1:38 PM
@tristan All of the ones I used to play - Commander Keen, Hare Raising Havoc, Wolfenstein 3D, Cannon Fodder, ZZT, Prince of Persia, OMF 2097....
 
Great, you've all figured me out. Of course there can only be one real Kevin at a time
 
user559633
OMF .... OMG. leg sweep to high, the game
 
user559633
would you guys be up for a stream of hugos house of horrors?
 
@WayneWerner damn that's cool
 
1:40 PM
No.
 
@tristan You do know you can play it online, right?
 
Aug 21 '15 at 17:55, by thefourtheye
Even the Zen of Kevins says, "There should be one -- and preferably only one -- Kevin".
 
user559633
@WayneWerner oh no.
 
@khajvah That game introduced me to mo'slow
 
I feel young
 
1:40 PM
Oh that takes me back
 
which I am
 
or the need for mo'slow
Ahhh, the good ol days, where programs used the speed of the processor to compute their game ticks.
 
Nowadays we just have games that tie their physics to framerate
 
my first OS was windows 2000
 
user559633
Win95 for me.
 
1:43 PM
Mac OS 7
 
3.1
 
<waiting for @PM2 to lay down the law>
 
user559633
First thing I intrinsically understood: memory upgrade that exceeded what the motherboard would support
 
we used to play fifa 98 multiplayer with a mouse
that was the oldest game I think I played
 
user559633
1:44 PM
One of my closest friends had a Linux as his first OS and wrote one of the common desktop apps in C as a preteen
 
We got Command and Conquer and Fifa 95 with our PC
96, maybe
But I had an older one with Sim City 2000 on it
 
Command and COnquer was cool too
 
Used to play old DOS games. Jill Of The Jungle, Wolf 3D were my favourites.
 
whoah whoah whoah I go write an e-mail and you start talking like people here:P
 
AmigaOS v1.2 >.>
 
1:46 PM
I first saw Linux in 2009 I think
then switched to Ubuntu 10.10 as my main os
 
@Ffisegydd DOS/360
 
There we go :D
 
user559633
i first installed linux to get a counterstrike server going
 
My first non-PC OS was whatever ran on a BBC B
 
1:49 PM
SO documentation got me a lot of free and easy reputation gains
 
user559633
i should probably do SO doc to get to 10k
 
user559633
so i can drink deep of the e-drama
 
I think I started using Slackware off floppies in '94
 
1:50 PM
@IntrepidBrit My 1st Amiga 2000 had 1.3. I was later given one of the 1st Amiga 1000s brought into Australia, but I didn't get much software with it; there might have have been Kickstart & Workbench disks for 1.2, maybe even 1.1.
 
There's a job for $100-140k a year, which would be $8.3-11.6k/mo
 
> You’ve built and shipped a project that you’re really proud of
that's where I fail
 
> You're ridiculously in love with Python
 
@PM2Ring Suddenly, XBOX 360 makes a lot more sense.
 
Me and Python are strictly friends.
 
1:52 PM
Morning cabbage.
 
morning
 
@WayneWerner no longer available though
 
@WayneWerner not very diverse looking at the photo team
 
If it's not diverse then they'll never make anything good
 
fair point @RobertGrant still ;)
My 2 cents (ibtimes.com/…)
 
1:54 PM
Can you imagine what rubbish the car industry would've produced over the last century if it hadn't had massive diversity policies in place from day 1?
 
as you said... it was a century ago ...
 
@Ffisegydd Is that what you've told FizzyGirl?
 
@RobertGrant Many of those early 8 bit machines didn't really have an OS. You booted up straight into the BASIC interpreter. And many of the ones that didn't generally had a very primitive environment that was so minimal that it barely counts as an OS to modern eyes. Slightly more advanced were the machines that ran CP/M, but that was still pretty minimal. But, hey, there's only so much you can do when you don't have a lot of RAM to work with.
 
@Ffisegydd That's me. If I weren't already married, I'd totally marry Python ;)
 
@AndyK :) also, if your product can be customised for different groups of people then it makes sense, but for a lot of stuff I think that's a relatively thin veneer on top of the difficult problems a product might solve
 
1:57 PM
@Wayne wonder if you could then claim it cheated on you and sue the Python Software Foundation for half its money...
 
@Kevin Have you tried stackoverflow.com ?
 
I guess some purely social things like Facebook are the exception to it being a thing veneer, where they are all about as many users as possible
 
@JonClements They'd probably make me sign a pre-nup :P
 
@JonClements Can't say I'm familiar with that site, no
 
1:58 PM
bonjour
 
@Kevin That code makes me numb
 

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