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user559633
4:00 PM
I use 'him' unless the gender has been otherwise revealed, switching to 'her' after logical breaks
 
Air
"it's not correct grammar because it's not correct grammar" beats some idiot on Wordpress any day
 
I'm +1 for singular they, the other way is just awkward.
 
user559633
it's not correct grammar because OED says so
 
the OED added "YOLO" so I'm not sure I trust them as a source anymore :p
 
user559633
uhh
 
user559633
4:01 PM
see the post on it
 
user559633
OH well if an ASSISTANT editor says so...
 
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GENDER PRONOUNS
 
user559633
"
Returning to the OED note, themselfs (with only 26 examples on the OEC) is no longer acceptable and has largely dropped out of use, meaning that for almost 500 years the main standard reflexive pronoun which corresponds to the plural forms they and them is the plural form themselves"
 
user559633
@BoltClock no, we're talking about not breaking grammatical form
 
I should buy a machine to de-seed my pomegranates. Such boost to efficiency
 
btw :o just now noticed the larger form of your avatar @tristan :) commander keen ftw!
 
Martijn’s vote count is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND!!
 
"Some people object to the use of plural pronouns in this type of situation on the grounds that it’s ungrammatical. In fact, the use of plural pronouns to refer back to a singular subject isn’t new: it represents a revival of a practice dating from the 16th century. It’s increasingly common in current English and is now widely accepted both in speech and in writing."
 
DSM
4:03 PM
@poke: heh. I got that reference!
 
user559633
Oxford english long-form says no thanks on the they as a gender-neutral object
 
@tristan it started to become less popular in the late nineteenth century, at the same time as nonsense about split infinitives, due to the biases of uninformed people suffering from a severe case of Dunning-Kruger. See also: two spaces after a period, ending with a preosition, etc. etc. etc.
 
@ZeroPiraeus split infinitives?
 
user559633
Scoff! Just because people are too lazy to do something correctly doesn't mean the improper form should win out.
 
4:04 PM
Thankfully, sanity has been returning over the last few decades.
 
DSM
@Zero: I'm strongly in the two-space camp, and am always going to be..
 
user559633
By that rationalization: they're, their, and there should be interchangeable
 
@AnttiHaapala "to boldly go", and other perfectly acceptable usages stupidly decried by people who think that if it's impossible in Latin, it must be wrong in English.
 
Air
Slippery slope arguments are so passe
 
Two spaces is the only way to separate adjacent sentences!
 
user559633
4:05 PM
@Air it's not though.
 
@tristan I'm sure that's what they said in the 17th century when the singular "they" was falling out of favour
 
Air
@tristan Your face is so passe
 
user559633
"him or her" is SO HARD to use, let's just use "squirrels"
 
@DSM It's just an artefact of monospace on typewriters, and entirely unnecessary otherwise.
 
Air
I wish your face were less passe, I'd play the hell out of a modern Keen game
 
4:06 PM
@Air truth
 
Seriously though, Martijn makes past elections look like a joke.
 
@tristan even better, it does ask birthday, so why not gender :D
no
 
user559633
I forgot how much I hate meta
 
the past candidates make the past elections look like a joke
except joncle ofc
 
DSM
@Zero: not one, not two, but about ten of my current open windows are monospace, and I don't own a typewriter.
 
4:08 PM
Jon does get a lot more traction than “usual” too
 
user559633
People voting down valid arguments because of challenges to their incorrect world views.
 
@davidism lol ^^
 
@tristan but that is what meta is about :D
 
DSM
@Benjamin: I see you've been having an interesting morning. :-)
 
Is there much value in project euler? I've knocked out about 12 of them in the last 24 hours. (stayed up too late) but I'm also having fun, but part of the fun comes from thinking there may be value in it. so aside from my own learning, is there any value in terms of getting attention from potential employers/recruiters? Does it make me at least appear more well-rounded?
 
4:09 PM
there is no objective truth :D
 
@tristan it's certainly not "hard to use", but it looks awkward and excludes some people, so why argue so vehemently in favour of it? I suppose we could adopt "squirrels" for that usage, but there's no prededent for that. (also lol @ "challenges to their incorrect world views" - cuts both ways!)
 
user559633
It's CORRECT
 
I have no idea what that dude is upset about btw, he posted unformatted code and I trashed it since he was in the room before.
 
@AnttiHaapala Is that true?
 
I mean in the meta discussions
they are mostly opinions
 
4:09 PM
@tristan whence come you by this absolute certainty of its CORRECTness?
 
Air
@AaronHall I would say the learning and the fun are both value.
 
@tristan you are actually slightly incorrect about what natural languages are...
 
user559633
@tzaman OED, not being lazy, a solid education
 
Air
I doubt it'll have a significant direct impact on employment or recruiting. Maybe indirectly, if you have nothing else on your CV/resume that shows you like math/programming challenges.
 
Yeah, but specifically excluding that, because I could have fun watching pycon videos, studying math from a textbook, or whatever else...
 
4:10 PM
tbh, I'm pretty grammar-nazi myself ("could of" is a scourge on the face of this planet) but still singular they does have history. And language evolves.
 
@tristan But it isn't, mate, and you've had a bunch of references showing you that. Let it go, man :-)
 
@AaronHall it is just internet points...
 
Air
@tristan You keep saying "OED" but even the link you posted above disgrees with you...
 
Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S
 
cbg
 
4:11 PM
@AaronHall but it is good for studying algorithms
 
cbg @BhargavRao
 
DSM
@Aaron: It wouldn't make me think you were more well-rounded, it just lets me know what sort of things you're interested in.
 
user559633
The OED references that have been posted make note of "because we give up, we also let in yolo"
 
@BoltClock I can think of worst way(s) for a person(s) to go(es)? :p
 
4:11 PM
@AnttiHaapala SO would be disappointed to hear "just internet points" since they tell recruiters to look at people with more than 10k
 
@tristan but OED was your suggestion for a source you'd accept. Pick another, let's see what they say. Chambers?
 
Air
@AaronHall Do they? How's that?
 
oh wow.. this is totally strange.. if I try to define a __len__ method in an object, it has to return int instead of anything else.. why?
 
look at careers.stackoverflow.com
 
Project Euler taught me about priority queues. I even went on to use it in an actual non-toy program!
 
4:12 PM
I forget exactly where they said it
 
@AaronHall no-one been looking at me
 
user559633
"There are two distinct ways in which people use themself in current English, both of which you should avoid if writing for college, work, or in other formal contexts. However, it’s helpful to be aware of why themself frequently crops up.

Themself used to refer to a singular subject"
 
The profile look and feel has changed, any meta article on that?
 
I'm slightly sad that Project Euler is the only place I really get to use dynamic programming seriously
 
omg I need more java upvotes
 
4:13 PM
nobody's arguing for "themself" specifically though. "Themselves" is perfectly acceptable wherever you might use it.
 
my C++ has more score than my java
 
user559633
blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/06/he-or-she-versus-they "There isn’t any way of using a singular pronoun to refer to someone without identifying that person as male or female. "
 
Air
Project Euler and similar challenges force me to go out of my comfort zone and address e.g. memory limitations
 
having an MBA, I think I need to qualify myself more with quantitative credentials
 
DSM
@Peter: __len__ doesn't need to return only an integer. But I think len demands it of __len__.
 
4:14 PM
@DSM exactly
that's what I was trying to say
if I call instance.__len__ it works as it should be
unlike len(instance) which raises an exception
 
what on earth would you want it to do, @PeterVaro
 
@tristan once again, your link disagrees with you: "This usage is increasingly common in current English and is now widely accepted both in speech and in writing, especially in contexts where a plural pronoun or possessive determiner follows an indefinite pronoun such as anyone, no one, or someone, as in the above example. As noted above, this isn’t even a new development: it’s found in the writings of such eminent figures as Shaw and Goldsmith."
 
@AaronHall implementing a nice interface?
 
if you implement a __len__, and a call from len fails, it doesn't work as it should
 
Air
@PeterVaro Because len right in the documentation is described as "the number of items" and you can't have part of an item
 
4:16 PM
I see..
 
how about a .shape method?
 
Air
People expect to be able to do things like for i in range(len(obj))
 
@Air not with a vec3 object ;)
 
user559633
I don't give a crap what's increasingly common or accepted by the general population.
 
4:17 PM
@AaronHall I created a .length property instead..
@tristan yay!
 
user559633
The general population gets fat on soda and watches reality TV, it doesn't mean it's objectively fine.
 
and what datatype does it return?
 
@tristan well on a community-driven site, that's you SOL!
 
@PeterVaro what is this length returning if not an integer?
 
Air
@PeterVaro isn't that length, though?
 
4:18 PM
@tzaman float ofc
 
user559633
Okay, fine, I guess I quit SO then :)
 
user559633
Let's just make it into a fully fledged tumblr subdomain and make all the questions about my little pony or something
 
a float for a len... what sort of continuous/non-discrete object is this?
 
oh, what's the type?
 
@Air what do you mean?
 
4:19 PM
10/10 would attend "BoltClock's School of HTML/CSS and MLP" — rlemon Mar 4 at 18:54
 
and yes, in that case I definitely agree with .length over __len__ -- the latter is definitely assumed to be "number of items" in a container context
 
@AaronHall len(vec3(1, 0, 0)) would return 1.0
it is not that hard to understand and follow I guess..
 
@BoltClock Anyone can do that with HTML and CSS.
 
@tzaman well, I don't have other choice, do I? ;)
 
Air
@PeterVaro All that means is that vec3 implementation doesn't follow the docs
 
4:20 PM
@BoltClock: now do that again with a programming language.
 
@PeterVaro how about __abs__ ?
 
@tzaman I thought about that too..
however we don't have |vec3(...)| notation for that..
 
true, but abs(vec3) is still understandable
and less likely to confuse than len(..)
 
but anyway, it looks like I always used __len__ as the docs says, so this is the first time I'm facing with such a problem
 
be sure to alias it as magnitude too, I suppose.
 
4:22 PM
@tzaman yes and no :P
 
re-cbg
 
@MartijnPieters You'd think, with SO being a site for programmers, a programming language would do better by default
 
naively I would assume len(some_vec_type) to tell me the dimension of the vector, not its magnitude
 
in fact, why don't you use magnitude instead?
 
i.e. 3 in this case
 
4:23 PM
@tzaman because it is already in the name of the type, vec 3, remember?
 
I'm aware, but still.
 
but what? it can't be 2 or 4
it is always 3..
 
Air
So, what is the problem with using .length instead?
 
len is always 'container size' in all of my python experience, so it would be odd to me to see it do anything else
 
returning 3 in that case it totally redundant
 
4:24 PM
yeah, so don't bother with it
 
@Air nothing I already moved forward
 
just don't make it do the wrong thing
 
and implemented a matrix
just chatting really
 
DSM
Ehh, relying on the type name to store dimensional information seems like a misstep.
 
4:25 PM
@BoltClock Google doesn't know that though.
 
@PeterVaro in that case, disable the len by raising a NotImplementedError
 
this is my personal "least-confusion" principle, others may see it differently
^ what @AaronHall said.
 
or just don't have it
 
I don't know why I even bother using Triage and H&I queues: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/7698843 two people voted that this should be improved rather than closed
 
4:26 PM
if others will use your infterface, a nice error message will help them understand
 
@DSM for a performant type (e.g. using __slots__) instead of something that supports arbitrary-dim vectors, vec3 seems like a fine type name
 
Air
@davidism H&I is truly the improbable superhero queue
 
I don't have any points in it yet because I've skipped or flagged every post I've come across so far.
The real problem is that flagging doesn't seem to work right. I just get a bunch of disputed flags in my profile, rather than the question going back to triage/getting closed.
 
DSM
@tzaman: it's not the name itself that's an issue, it's that I don't think the possibility of int(type(x).__name__.lower().split("vec")[-1]) or whatever is a good replacemement for len(x) == 3.
@davidism: just do what I did. Take your marbles and go home. Less frustration; more free time; etc.
 
NotImplementedError("__len__ not implemented, number of dimensions is always 3, if you mean magnitude, call the .length method")
 
4:31 PM
Yeah, I mostly hang out in low quality and reopen queues now, clicking "delete" and "leave closed" mostly.
 
DSM
Just be careful not to skip too many audits relative to other questions. ;-)
 
@PeterVaro ^^^
 
@DSM ah, agreed of course on that point. I'm just assuming code using vec3s will know they're dim-3 so such a method is unnecessary. If that's not the case, then dimension-as-length makes sense. Either way, magnitude-as-length does not, imo.
 
@AaronHall umm.. you are very kind for trying to help me, but as I mentioned, I already solved the problem here:
15 mins ago, by Peter Varo
@AaronHall I created a .length property instead..
 
user559633
lol @jonrsharpe are you seriously linking to chat to try to affect the merit of my suggestion?
 
4:32 PM
and moved on.. really
but thanks.
 
@PeterVaro just a suggestion for __len__, wanted to make sure you saw it. that's all.
 
DSM
@tristan: why don't we let that particular dog continue to sleep?
 
@AaronHall which is okay, thank you, one of my eyes is always on the chat, at least for the last almost 3 years :)
 
user559633
@DSM yeah, you're right, i'm done trying
 
might actually log in to MC tonight to have an explore - haven't taken it too seriously since my mouse broke - but new mouse!
 
4:35 PM
@tristan nothing to do with the merit of your suggestion (and, in that sense, exactly like your attempts to paint everyone whose opinion differs from yours as thoughtless idiots). If you don't want people referencing it, don't write it.
 
user559633
i'm not painting people as thoughtless idiots
 
user559633
the argument in that thread is that the popular form should win out
 
user559633
sorry if you're getting IRL upset about it
 
Air
@davidism Suggested edits queue is pretty approachable.
 
@tristan thank you. I'm sure there's a happy middle ground between prescriptivism and obesity!
 
4:37 PM
@Air The problem with that one is that it uses up actions that can be performed outside the queue.
 
Air
And I haven't had too many disputed flags from Triage - if you can catch the crap in that stage.
 
How do they calculate people reached on the new profile page?
 
I know the argument is that you should do reviews at the end of the day, but then it's like it's a job I have to schedule.
 
Air
@davidism How so? Is editing rate-limited?
 
The new profile UI offers me a total of 5 badges to earn.
 
4:38 PM
you can only review 20 edits a day, even outside the queue.
 
Air
> This is essentially a sum of views of your questions, and answers that fall within the following criteria: accepted, have a score of 5 or more, have more than 20% of total score of all answers on a question or are within the top 3 answers by score. No deleted posts are counted.
 
Curious, Inquisitive, Socratic, Benefactor and Promotor.
What, no Sheriff badge?!
 
Soon
 
user559633
@jonrsharpe neat, me too! glad that neither of us were being snide like children
 
YO
 
DSM
4:40 PM
@Martijn: aww, I was working on a Lawrence of Arabia joke. :-/
 
@DSM give it to me, I'll pretend I didn't say anything about that last badge..
 
DSM
Well, now there's too much pressure. |-)
 
I just realized that I'll be getting a gold on MetaSO without having even a single post :(
 
cabbage everybody
 
cbg Xavi
 
4:54 PM
has the discussion on the new profile layout been done already??
 
yup
 
Tough luck :(
 
The new prof page is actually good. I give it 9.9 out of 10
 
It somewhat reminds me of the old fb profile..
 
rbrb all
good nite
:D
 
5:07 PM
Anybody here good with Python and XML? ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
 
DSM
@bigmike7801: please read the room rules about posting recently asked questions.
 
Sorry about that.
 
DSM
Lunchtime rhubarb for all!
 
question
 
what's the whole thing about etree and non-etree?
ElementTree is also hosted on that same website, it's completely weird
 
What are you referring to?
 
lxml.etree.fromstring & lxml.html.fromstring
 
And which website are you referring to?
 
lxml.de
you can import lxml, import lxml.html and import lxml.etree
 
5:19 PM
Umm... this "special fried rice"... must be special, as it errr, only contains rice
 
@Kevin you are right. I switched from list.sort() to sorted and forgot I have to save the result somewhere. Please make an answer so I can accept. — user137717 3 mins ago
I cv'd the question, his problem can be thought to be a typo
 
@MartijnPieters Do you happen to know the story of lxml.html and lxml.etree?
 
don't ping people
 
@vault errr what... a typo is a builin function vs a builin method?
 
html deals with html, etree deals with xml
 
5:22 PM
davidism, oops
not strictly though?
 
I don't understand your question. Please clearly describe the problem you have.
 
Likewise, I think "what's the whole thing about..." and "do you know the story of..." aren't very clear questions.
If you want to know literally everything about them, just read the documentation.
Are you trying to ask "why do these modules exist?" or "why do these two modules have a seemingly identical method fromstring?" or something else?
 
Pears Melon.. Mushrooms Corn
Well, unfortunately it indeed was that simple it is the difference of html and xml
I just got confused with the namespacing
 
ok :-)
 
I thought it was more of a different dialect thing
thanks
I scraped a housing platform for rental agencies... I automated sending them my exact needs
nice conversion, probably got a place :D
 
5:30 PM
@JonClements fine, retracted. But I forgot I have to save the result somewhere made me think that his problem is not lack of knowledge but lack of concentration
 
rather than looking for ads, it was a lot easier to send to rental agencies my template
 
so in case anyone is looking for a house
 
@PascalvKooten Different parsers.
 
you should definitely try it I guess
 
5:32 PM
One parses XML, the other HTML.
There are quite some differences how the two should be treated
HTML == case insensitive, some tags are defined as empty.
 
oh there we go: found it if i < i:`
 
XML == case sensitive, different default entities.
 
@MartijnPieters Thanks, I thought it was more like a different implementation.
 
No, the basic object tree implementation is the same, but certain behaviours change.
 
Does anyone know of applications that use IPython's Notebook?
it seems very useful
 
5:52 PM
@MartijnPieters most importantly html has implicit rules on when to end tags
for example <p> cannot be nested
 
Don't suppose anyone here is picking up GTA V for the PC?
 
Cbg :)
 
I haven't played a GTA since whichever one came after 3
III was my jam. Spent a lot of time flying around in the dodo and in the tank.
 
3 was pretty epic, I played it to death.
I can still remember the map like the back of my hand.
 
"Hello caller, you're on the air with Lazlo, what do you want to talk about?"
"BEES!"
"Bees?!"
"Yes, Lazlo, Bees..."
The talk radio dialogue was brilliant.
 
6:02 PM
Oh man Lazlo...
The radios are still pretty good.
 
So I've got an interview on Monday, an interview on Tuesday, and an interview on Thursday. Busy week D:
 
I loved how it connected to itself sometimes. Like, one caller would complain that their messenger pigeons would go missing occasionally. And way later in the broadcast, a caller would talk about his hobby of hunting and eating wild fowl. "Some of them have messages attached. They're like fortune cookies with wings"
 
@Kevin lol
So weird that it's made in Scotland
@Ffisegydd cool :)
 
@Bob and NONE OF THEM ARE BASED IN LONDON.
I'm kinda getting tired of having to explain to recruiters that I don't want to move to bloody London.
"Yes I'm looking for anywhere on the M4 corridor. Preferably not London. Yes I know I would make more money in London. No I still don't want to move there. Yes I know there's more choice in London. No I still don't want to move there."
 
6:13 PM
Resistance is futile!
 
"Yes I know my friend Robert rang you and told you to offer me interviews in London. No I still don't want to move there. Yes I know he said he'd give you a shiny penny if you got me to interview there. NO I STILL DON'T WANT TO BLOODY MOVE THERE!"
 
for face in faces:
    az = sum([cube[face[i]].z for i in range(4)]) / 4
 
Martijn should hit 10k tonight.
 
Come to America. You almost never get asked to work in London over here.
 
Tips for improvements / more pythonic way?
 
DSM
6:19 PM
@Ffisegydd: busy week, but beats "no interviews at all" by a country mile..
 
Nicely edited This is true :P
 
2 more declined flags :/
 
6:32 PM
why does code to manipulate dom always look so ugly?
 
DSM
Genetics.
 
oh seriously...3am... no way... getting someone else to do that... I'm having the night off
 
@Martijn assuming that the current ratios stay the same (which they won't) you need 12777 score to get the same percentage as Bohemian did last year. Still more work to do!
You currently only have 15.8% of the total score.
While Bohemian had 21.3% last year.
 
the ratio is much different though @Ffisegydd
 
DSM
He's also only 2 scores away from the loops tag badge!
 
6:41 PM
@JonC well there's a different number of entries and voters.
But as a function of score percentage Martijn is still letting the side down :P
 
and the seats change weirdly
if everyone votes Martijn 1st and me 2nd... I could "get in" on vote transfers
 
I'm not talking about that at all, I'm discussing the primaries score.
That's a whole different (messy) ball park.
 
@Ffisegydd still looking - got one for Manchester which was an ideal starting point for you career... but... :(
 
Full of Mancs. My pseudo Yorkshire-Welsh-Scouse accent would make them wary of me, and I'd struggle to fully integrate.
 
I have to stop reading Hacker News articles aimed at Type A super productive top tier guys. "It's OK if you're only productive for eight hours per work day", they say. Oh good, thanks for setting the bar low there.
 
6:45 PM
@Ffisegydd well - you're doing well enough by yourself... keep going with that - if I find something more suitable, I'll let ya know mucka
 
recbg @Antti
 
SeriousTalk: Is it fair to ask "What will the interview consist of?" in advance?
 
DSM
Yes.
 
One of the interviews they've asked me to set aside 4 hours of time so I thought I'd ask them what they had planned.
"Will I have to do battle against the Dread Rancor for further consideration?"
 
DSM
6:54 PM
Perfectly reasonable. Both the question, and the (presumptive) battle.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd totally valid to ask what the interview will consist of or if there's something you should brush up on
 
user559633
maybe do some push ups just in case though
 
We were interviewing interns last week and accidentally forgot that we left one in the hottest room in the office.
 
Did they melt?
Can't you get done by the RSPCA (or whatever you call it in Murica) for that?
 
user559633
came back and he made his khakis into a headgarb?
 
6:55 PM
He sat there for thirty minutes before the guy who was supposed to be interviewing him remembered.
 
DSM
I misread that as "we left the hottest one in the room in the office", and thought that was quite inappropriate.
 
"We shooed the less attractive ones out of the door. The back door, of course."
 
Ended up being the best candidate, and we offered him the job.
 
DSM
Hopefully with a signing bonus by way of apology!
 
I told the guys we should give him the coldest room in the office to make up for it.
 
user559633
6:57 PM
humans don't work like that :(
 
cbg all
 

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