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12:00
@Nagarjun you were kicked as a warning. This is an English-language chat room, please speak English.
Sup buddy
user4433485
How is everyone doing?
@XavierCombelle no, it's so they don't get sued. Loads of free software is also worked on for nothing, e.g. the Linux Foundation and the Linux kernel.
grt @Katherina
nd u?
@XavierCombelle The purpose is that contributors to the project (who want to do this because they actively want to improve the .NET framework, and on their own behalf decide to do that) agree to give Microsoft access to their contribution so Microsoft can continue to use that contribution in all the other contexts they use the software in.
user4433485
12:01
I am fine! Thanks
wer r u frm
user4433485
Bulgaria
user4433485
You?
@Nagarjun please speak English. Not "text" speak. Not "leet" speak. Not any other version.
India
12:02
@RobertGrant please read fossbazaar.org/content/…
there is no abusive close
user4433485
Many people from India on stack I see :)
If you don't care enough to actually type out a proper sentence, please don't type anything.
@XavierCombelle dude, I'm talking to you; stop sending me to read stuff and hope I guess your point from that
@Jerry That's Kannada... My adjacent state speaks it. But I can understand it only a very little bit.
12:03
makes hilariously witty comment asking Fizzy whether the Americans should be allowed to type
@thefourtheye ok, I wouldn't be able to guess the difference xD
grt to know @thefourtheye
@XavierCombelle what is the abusive clause in the .NET CLA?
wer r u frm @thefourtheye
@RobertGrant of course "You grant .NET Foundation, and those who receive the Code directly or indirectly from .NET Foundation, a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable license in the Submission to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and distribute the Submission and such derivative works, and to sublicense any or all of the foregoing rights to third parties."
12:04
I mean... I laugh out loud
@Nagarjun Cool. Good to know you too. We speak English in this room. I hope you would like to play by the room rules :-)
I definitely kicked them that time.
@XavierCombelle you haven't mentioned the abusive part
Yep, I got the "already" bar.
12:05
@RobertGrant every term is abusive
Ah, Chandler is here :-)
@XavierCombelle What do you want instead? Do you want to contribute without allowing them to use your contribution?
user4433485
Do I need to grab popcorn or something?
Can you get me a choc ice?
@Katherina yeah, but only if you find frustratingly vague accusations entertaining :)
12:06
(Or if you just like popcorn… :P)
user4433485
Whats wrong? Accusations are not cool
Not against a person :) @XavierCombelle is trying to articulate why he thinks the MIT-licensed .NET platform isn't free software
@RobertGrant especially the part they don't pay me for enclose my software At least when I give my work to a boss they payed me in return
Too broad (give me the codez])
12:08
@XavierCombelle no free software in the world is licenced to guarantee you money. What on earth are you talking about?
I say the way the .NET is developped is not free as freedom
user4433485
You guys srsly still talk about free software?
@XavierCombelle I have worked for years in OSS.
I dislike it when OPs word questions as though the code already exists fully formed somewhere, and we're just being mean by not pointing them to it. Surprise: code needs to be written by somebody, at some point.
I have not noticed any difference between the amount of renumeration between GPL and other OSS licenses for projects I worked on.
12:09
closed the question
Plone is largely GPL, Zope is not, for example.
Python is not GPL.
@Xavier No offense, but you keep repeating invalid arguments without explaining your points to the level that I can’t take you serious any more. You seem to lack knowledge and the ability to comprehend what free software is and how contributing to open source software works. At this point, I’m no longer interested in trying to explain you any more since you seem quite resistant to any arguments in that direction.
What you need to care about is the ecosystem you build around a project. And that ecosystem can actually grow larger by not using GPL because the barrier to entry is lower.
Yeah, then more corporates can join in
For one
If your hangup is about companies making money using a OSS product, then there are always going to be companies doing that.
12:11
@XavierCombelle Apple make a fortune out of BSD
Most don't even contribute, nor need to.
ok guys
user4433485
isn't that the point for like.. every compagnie? making money?
cool
the problem is that Apple products are not free as in freedom
so I don't want to use them
12:12
@thefourtheye some one kicked me
from this room
@Nagarjun Huh, how did that happen?
user4433485
But my french mate, what exactly is Freedom? as long as I live, I've never seen something as "freedom"
@XavierCombelle what about the hardware in your computer? Is that free as in freedom?
@Nagarjun Awww, its okay... Its just a friendly kick :-)
@XavierCombelle that's your choice. But a rather... stubborn and unpractical one.
12:12
@thefourtheye wer r u from
@XavierCombelle or do you use open source schematics, assembled in a non-proprietary way?
Chennai
@MartijnPieters I don't see how not use C# is impratical
@poke I laugh out loud
@RobertGrant :D
12:13
> The user has been kicked and cannot return for 30 minutes. Moderators have been informed.
@XavierCombelle I don't use C# because I dislike the language.
And I too prefer open systems, stuff I can look into to fix things as needed.
user4433485
@MartijnPieters may I ask you 1 thing?
I like the bonnet of my car to remain open, yes.
user4433485
Can you do everything what you can do in C# with Python?
@Katherina Yes.
12:14
@MartijnPieters did you disable the catch?
user4433485
I thought it was something, limited
But that doesn't mean I need to force everyone that uses my contributions to give back their changes.
@Katherina Can C# do everything you can do with Python? :D
@Katherina don't ask to ask, just ask. :-P
@Katherina You do it differently, but you can pretty much do anything with every programming language.
That “different” part is usually what makes people choose one language over the other one.
12:14
@poke except some special language such as haskell
@XavierCombelle nope
user4433485
Oh, I had no clue :3
@RobertGrant It's a damn nuisance, not being able to see out of the windscreen with the thing constantly open... :-P
@MartijnPieters well, if that's how you like it :)
Personal choice and ease of development is a very prominent argument there, but it’s also highly subjective.
12:15
@MartijnPieters feature request: transparent bonnet
@MartijnPieters You need a glass bonnet ;-)
@XavierCombelle I know lots of Haskell developers that would disagree with that. Again, things are done differently, but you can do it.
C# looks very nice to develop with, especially when you can bring in F#
@RobertGrant: I was alluding to a common comparison between software and cars; people like to tinker on their cars, and that is getting harder and harder by all accounts due to all the proprietary tech these days. I'd say it is still early days and more openness will come eventually.
@poke I mean you can do things in Haskell that you can't in python like proof
formal proof
12:16
@MartijnPieters yeah I know :)
user4433485
I still have to learn so much, will take ages
@Katherina If you do it right, you will never stop learning :)
@MartijnPieters :D
@RobertGrant: Our survey says: pew pew! Eh?
Not very helpful to the OP that comment..
about the format
@MartijnPieters it was chameleon question anw
12:17
@MartijnPieters Well I think it'll be that when we have 2 or 4 little electric motors, one per driving wheel, they will be cheap black boxes and it'll be easier to service them overall
@MartijnPieters yeah true :) feel free to delete if you haven't, or I will
@AnttiHaapala it was a bit, because they are now using it in Matplotlib, where you can use Tex.
@MartijnPieters who knows they're using what :d
@RobertGrant I’m waiting for the hovering engine ;P
@RobertGrant I can't delete that comment, only flag it.
It's gone
12:18
thanks.
at first it was: "can you do x10^
"ah but it needs to be proper superscript but I can't write it"
"oh btw does not work in matplotlib
Boy, we all are very active in the chat... This happens hardly in this time (5-6 GMT +5:30)...
Wow... anyone else understand the resistence on this meta post ?
I was ready to remove it right after the superscript and downvote the s*t
12:20
I know what you mean. The mapping to superscript Unicode chars is nice though. I'd fix the format() and the superscript i issue and leave it at that.
user4433485
do you guys use Python 2.X or 3.X
@MartijnPieters not only that
but it was using print() and then I wrote a python 3 solution
@thefourtheye That’s because @Jon told me to be more active to get back my RO :P
12:21
@RobertGrant I've actually got the FR24 app on my phone with all the add ons... first time I used i t, it's like - omfg! How many planes look like they're going to crash into each other!
and then I noticed the python 2.7 tag there
@k
@JonClements I thought he was last acknowledging you have a point?
@Katherina 3
user4433485
Python 2.7 print "Hello World" and 3.X is like, print("Hello World") , so actually, the syntax changed abit?
@Katherina 1.5 compiled from source... can't beat it
12:22
@JonClements lol.
@MartijnPieters ah e produces exponents always :P
not so good
@JonClements Don't tell me you actually did that.
@JonClements Yeah, I used 1.5 and I am a Python expert now.
totally go with that.
@Martijn wait... wat!? You're an expert? You should go one some Q&A site and answer thousands upon thousands of questions with brilliant answers or something to prove that... until then, I won't believe it :p
4
@ZeroPiraeus Okay - I won't :p
12:25
is it ?
lol :D
it is so small only martijn can see it
SUPERSCRIPT ZERO, SUPERSCRIPT ONE, SUPERSCRIPT TWO, SUPERSCRIPT THREE, SUPERSCRIPT FOUR, SUPERSCRIPT FIVE, SUPERSCRIPT SIX, SUPERSCRIPT SEVEN, SUPERSCRIPT EIGHT, SUPERSCRIPT NINE
guess it is right now :P
Wow, I can make out some faint markings there
user4433485
Damn whitespaces is weird in Python
@Katherina ?
@AnttiHaapala I haven't seen any of those ... are they in the Marvel universe, or DC?
weird but good in the long time @Katherina
12:30
@MartijnPieters ^
user4433485
@XavierCombelle is this what they mean with OOP ? like, 1 whitespace too much and entire code messed up?
why can't I find the question for that
@Katherina no
Although when it happens, people do say "oops", but that's something else :)
@Katherina “oop” as in “oops”? :D
Significant whitespace is awesome :-)
user4433485
12:33
@poke I don't know, perhaps in a oops indeed ^^
Lots of languages have significant whitespace, but only inside strings
Whenever I read about the latest new language, I'm like, "Braces, really? That's still a thing?"
Errr... has twitter gone mad? "Follow Jon Clements... [...]" ?
they are a lot of bugs which waiting you when your indentation is not consistent with syntax @Katherina
12:35
It's noticed that you're a dog. Dogs like chasing their tails, right?
That's narcissism to the extreme... maybe I should make friends with myself on FB just to be sure :p
user4433485
Yup @XavierCombelle the tab whitespaces
12:38
where is the "duplicate id's, different object"
ah found
@AnttiHaapala Heh.
@MartijnPieters isnt that assholey behaviour
my dog keeps staring at me all morning
@AnttiHaapala use format(), probably
I spent 2 hours answering that bounty question, no comments
user4433485
12:43
awtsch
user4433485
that hurts
"you didn't answer that part of my question which would make my question a duplicate"
user4433485
Owned.
now where is the blacklist feature in stackoverflow
@AnttiHaapala You can't win them all.
12:45
back agin
user4433485
Hi
user4433485
where have you been
some one kicked me
Sorry, that should be "someone"
Blammo
12:46
@Antti I know why I don’t waste time on bounty questions.
(which kind of makes them defeat their point if you think about it…)
wer is @thefourtheye
better points than pants.
user4433485
@poke You sir, are quite funny :D
@poke bounties (the way I see them) are either on a very very specialised, however, on-topic question that I have no domain knowledge about, or seem to be on questions that should have been closed.
12:48
anw, so I guess "keep things professional"
@AnttiHaapala Don't you get some of the bounty for being the top voted answer anyway?
I want to behave professional with that user in that I choose my customers and never ever hear anything from there
@Katherina I try my best to please everyone. :P
@Ffisegydd dunno :D
I believe you do.
12:49
@Ffisegydd you get half auto-rewarded
@Ffisegydd by accepting he'd given me 500
@Nagarjun Speak English. "wer" is not a word. I will kick you immediately if I see further disrespect for the customs of this room.
if not 250 or 0
user4433485
@poke well keep doing the good work then :p
@JonClements Exactly. Just reading some bounty questions makes me go “nope. This totally isn’t worth it…”
12:49
wer is where
shortfom
shortform*
We've asked you not to use the "shortform".
user4433485
I think they don't want you to use "shortform"
And you've been told to stop it.
@ZeroPiraeus technically wer is a word :P
12:50
Mmm...should really be "okay" kick
not English though
@vaultah that would be "laughing out loud"
I laugh out loud
@AnttiHaapala Pedant ;-P
user4433485
so evil
12:51
Damn you :(
It should actually be "By Jove, I do believe I just laughed out loud. What good sport, old chaps." with full punctuation.
Bah, been making that joke repeatedly, and you only pick it up when @AnttiHaapala says it. I roll on the floor laughing.
user4433485
Python is perhaps the best chatroom on this entire community:)
@AnttiHaapala According to Wikipedia, it’s also an abbreviation for lots of things, and there is a movie called “Wer”!
12:54
Hi
im new here
just got 20 above score hehe
So many newcomers today. Did we get linked on a blog or something?
I don't like change!
@Kevin and you are?
kevin it will pass bro just a phase :P
12:55
What should we do if a question attracts bad and troll answers?
Welcome @LumbusterTick :-) You might find sopython.com/chatroom useful :-)
@RobertGrant I was hoping you could tell me. For you see, I have... Amnesia! dramatic musical sting
Protect it? @thefourtheye
zero why ?
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Q: Javascript: Get object name as string

MojoDKSay I have this code... var personA = { name: "john" } var personB = { name: "john" } function doSomething(o) { alert("Var is: " + o.toString()); // I need to convert 'o' to the object name } doSomething(personA); doSomething(personB); I want the alert output to be... Var is: p...

12:56
@LumbusterTick Just in general :-)
user4433485
Hey @kevin I am new because Robert get me over to learn Python!
@Kevin have no fear. I am your lawyer. I have drawn up this document to sign giving me power of attorney over your assets while you recover.
oh ops sorry i taught u gave me link to another chat room
@thefourtheye protect it.
user4433485
12:56
@LumbusterTick Welcome, that makes me not the newest member in the room!
@Kevin That's incredible. Mainly because I have... Amnesia as well! cynical repeat of sting
I'm new here because somebody thought it was funny to flag a harmless message with ","
@MartijnPieters But its not a question which is worth protecting... :'(
user4433485
@RobertGrant Amnesia? isn't that drugs?
although in this case protection won't prevent those answers as the posters have enough rep.
12:57
@Katherina I certainly hope so
@RobertGrant It’s just some Kevin.
@thefourtheye anything attracting spam and low-rep accounts posting useless crap is worth protecting.
from C# to python begins i got 4 books lined up and ill start today
who is the owner of this group
The other option is to have it closed.
12:57
@MartijnPieters me too!
@Nagarjun you can see for yourself in the room info page.
user4433485
@LumbusterTick you are experienced with programming?
@Nagarjun I think @Ffisegydd is the pwner
Maybe we're all in a work of fiction and each new user showing up at the same time is a flimsy pretense to join together for an adventure, in the vein of "so you all meet in the tavern" seen in so many DnD sessions.
12:58
I have been known to pwn in the past, this is true.
@BoltClock So you only appear when harmless messages are flagged? :o
katherina yes but i never used a web framewrok
Fingers crossed that we're not in Call of Cthulhu.
i want to learn django
user4433485
@LumbusterTick what languages do you know?
12:59
@BoltClock you must be the least summoned genie ever. Do you do impressions?
c++ , C# ,php
user4433485
OH very cool

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