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1:56 AM
CABBAGE
 
2:24 AM
As usual, nobody here. I wish there would be someone here to talk to. Guess it's just like every other night.
 
2:45 AM
cbg :)
@Owatch it is nearly 4am in Europe :)
 
user559633
cbg
 
@tristan you're up late
 
user559633
yeah, overdid it on the caffeine to try to compensate for lack of sleep
 
I hear ya
Just woken up myself - 2 hours too early
 
user559633
sigh. not a great week for the python room.
 
user559633
2:56 AM
you're writing PHP, I'm dealing with JS.
 
@tristan every week in the python room is a good week :)
and heck, no, I'm not writing PHP - I'm suffering it :)
 
user559633
i like to refer to writing PHP as "crafting artisanal misery"
 
Well, it does have its good points, I'll list them
Okay, done
Won't say it's the most comprehensive list I've ever formed, but at least it's concise
 
user559633
what i like about JS: normally other people deal with it for me
 
I prefer the "back-end" side of stuff myself
cbg @davidism
 
3:03 AM
cbg
just checking in before bed, rbrb :)
 
user559633
rb have a good sleep
 
user559633
i love writing client facing code, but JS is just rubbish
 
@davidism I'll catch you tomorrow - would appreciate an update on what's happening with the PR though :)
Be nice if my accountant wasn't away on business... I can never remember if you declare tax on the amount invoiced or the amount received
 
user559633
i do received
 
user559633
what accounting method do you follow? i do on receipt, so it's only an economic event and taxed when i'm actually paid
 
3:12 AM
oh - at the moment - I don't have a f*ing clue... the accountant normally sorts it
 
user559633
oh :)
 
@tristan not even my company... I just happen to be Company Secretary
 
user559633
i'd go with the official "oh, i must have missed that email/call" approach then :)
 
cbg @PeterVaro
 
cabbage @JonClements
@JonClements Poor Harry Potter
anyway -- have you received my message earlier?
the one about watchmen?
 
3:17 AM
cbg all
 
cbg @MattDMo
 
Oh... I think I saw something - sorry mate, been really busy - so not been paying all the attention I should be :(
 
np at all -- I just linked you a very nice OST
if you have time -- or need inspiration -- I recommend you to listen to that
 
will do so :)
 
all righty then :)
 
3:18 AM
Watchmen as in the graphic novel? Great book, not so great movie...
 
If you could find a track that gives me more time instead - that'd be good though :p
 
@MattDMo the OST I linked was about the Motion Comic not the original film
however I really enjoyed the film
just as I did the comic book as well
umm.. sorry.. graphical novel
 
I suppose if it comes in hardcover, it's a graphic novel.
 
@JonClements John Coltrane believed in the power of music..once he said, he wants to find the notes, which he plays to a friend in need will cure him
 
What was the motion comic?
 
3:20 AM
so eventually -- there has to be a music for the time problem as well
:)
 
he asks while googling
 
it is an animation anthology
inspired by the watchmen
 
@PeterVaro good to see you're sounding more optimistic this morning :)
 
tbh I only listen to the soundtracks, but right now I'm downloading it
 
just looking at it now- cool
 
3:22 AM
@JonClements Jon, Jon, Jon.. I'm always optimistic, otherwise I won't be here, would I? ;)
but being optimistic doesn't stop me thinking about the not so bright side of life
or the universe.. whatever ;)
 
The answer is 42
We still don't yet know the question :)
 
yepp -- but what we don't know yet, is what was the question, right?
:D
 
Tomorrow is Dr Who day!
 
yepp, yepp
it is soooo close.. I'm afraid though -- my expectations are very high now
 
Well, at first, I was disappointed with Matt Smith
then grew to like him
 
3:26 AM
yeah, we talked about it -- it was the same for me, for each doctor
 
bbias - dog's barking at something
 
it is not a good feeling, when the main character is changing
although that's one of the most genius thing about DW
 
3:37 AM
yup - and with time travel - you can do pretty much what you want
@PeterVaro youtube.com/watch?v=_nkJgw0dvOk - see what you think :)
 
@JonClements I added it to my list -- right now, I'm not in the mood the change the watchmen OST
(sorry)
 
I'm listening this for at least 18 hours now and still having goosebumps
 
Doesn't sound like something I want to get into then :) That Ben Pearce track kept going around and around and around...
Mind you - you got your revenge with that awesome cover of Smooth Criminal
 
@Peter just watched Chapter 1 of the motion comic - thanks! I'll have to add that to my list of things to do when I'm not doing other things I'm supposed to do.
 
3:50 AM
@JonClements :)
@MattDMo don't spoil anything about it please ;)
I'm going to watch it tomorrow if everything goes well
 
I'll try not to give anything away :)
 
4:02 AM
cbg
 
@JonClements why are you suffering php atm?
may I suggest: reddit.com/r/lolphp
read that and
anyone who says "php is just another good programming language" you want to punch in the face immediately
 
I'm only doing it as a favour to someone
otherwise, it wouldn't have gotten off the starting blocks for me
 
user559633
alright, time to make another pass at sleeping
 
user559633
take care all
 
4:14 AM
Does anyone know why when I run setup.py from a downloaded Cython folder, it opens windows.exe, but wont let me install it into Python? What am I doing wrong?
hello?
 
how are you running setup.py? From the command line?
 
by clicking on it, I dont know how to run from the command line sorry... (Bit stupid i know)
 
OK, let's back up a bit. What is the "downloaded Cython folder", where did you get it, and what are you trying to do? Are you trying to install the Cython module in your current Python installation?
 
I got it from here: (cython.org), Yes I want to install it so I can use kivy, which I think work together.
 
I'll let you in on a little secret: I always check Christoph Gohlke's Python Extension Packages for Windows repository to see if he's posted an installer before I try to install something from source, or via pip. In this case, you are in luck! He has lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#cython, lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#kivy, and lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#pygame, which is needed for Kivy.
Just pick the installer for the version and bitness of Python you're running (Python 2.7 64-bit, for example), the download the installer you need.
 
4:29 AM
ok cheers
 
glad I could help - spread the word!
 
cbg guys
 
cbg ok
 
rbrb all. MightD MattDMo needs sleepytime
 
what time is it?
 
4:38 AM
Bedtime!
 
not for me??
 
I'm on the East Coast of the US - UTC-4:00. It's 12:30 AM here.
 
hehe. Not a bad effort then;)
Anyone keen to give me a star?
 
Sure, to what?
 
4:48 AM
one of my messages, im collecting badges for so
do people refer you to meta if you ask a meta-type question on stack overflow
 
cpx
not all people
 
Firstly they downvote it ;) I don't know if the question can be migrated to meta.whatever.com
@W1ll1amvl you got the badge
 
 
1 hour later…
7:05 AM
Cbg()
 
cbg()
 
I had a server which was 2.3 or 4,can't remember. It was recently upgraded to 2.6...Not even 2.7...
 
7:47 AM
cbg
 
8:04 AM
Cabbage!
 
cpx
Potato?
 
Bananas. It is Friday :). You?
 
cpx
Just Banana :)
 
CBG!!!
It's.........
FRIDAY
 
No it's not, it's Monday. You're all mistaken. GET BACK TO WORK MINIONS!
 
8:16 AM
@Ffisegydd :-( >>Starting Eclipse now<<
 
I fucking hate web-development.. not the backend part (that's also not that pretty) but the front-end part
I'm getting angry in like 18 seconds..
btw cabbage for all
 
cbg @Peter, nice to see you at normal hours...or are you still up? :P
 
yepp -- still up
I'm pushing myself to shift in time
I'm going to bed at 2-3PM now
I guess one and a half week and I will get back to normal again
anyway @Ffisegydd I did not forget what I promised about August
 
Are you teaching again in September? You'll at least have to get back to normal before then :P
Ah don't worry about it, whenever you have time is great but there's no big rush.
 
I have 2 tasks left: the second one is the harder: clean up my flat;)
@Ffisegydd okay -- I just felt I want you to know that I know what I said earlier
:D
@Ffisegydd I will yes, 3 courses. But I begged for late hours -- so no worries ;)
 
8:53 AM
:P yeah dude there's no big rush. davidism/corvid are slowly adding more features and I'm working on some new content so it's progressing nicely for now.
 
@PeterVaro I am with you. Which of like 10 technologies now needed for front-end web makes you angry right now?
 
@Fenikso the basic stuffs HTML+CSS+JS -- and mostly CSS
the most useless crap I've ever saw in my life..
I wish you could write a webpage in pure JS (I don't like that language either) in an imperative way instead of this messed up box-modelled declarative way
 
"A Python 3 implementation for client-side web programming"
 
nice ;)
@Ffisegydd although I prefer this one: gridstylesheets.org
as W3C did not agreed with CCSS (which is like a 10 years old proposal)
this guy implemented it
 
Ohh I found a link yesterday that may be of interest to you, you probably know about it already but it's an interesting read nonetheless
It's a set of 6 articles discussing colour and it's use in visualisation
 
8:59 AM
@PeterVaro Have you tried some CSS preprocessor, like LessCSS?
 
@Fenikso I'm using SCSS for 2 years now -- it doesn't help
 
Especially choosing appropriate colour palettes (as opposed to the awfulness that is the rainbow palette)
 
CSS is still fucked up
@Ffisegydd I did not know about this particular article (series) but I knew the theory, yes
I learned two semesters of color-theory
both analog and digital stuffs
 
Yeah I knew a bit of the theory from doing photography as a hobby.
 
it is a very very interesting topic btw
@Ffisegydd that's a nice hobby! I hope you are doing it in the analog way ;)
(strictly black and white)
:)
 
9:03 AM
Unfortunately I use digital. I'd love to do film photography but as I move around a lot I don't really have the space to set up a decent darkroom.
I do love black and white, always have done.
 
I love the digital photography also, but the fine grain/noise what the silver can do on a 600 BW paper is amazing
not to mention an ISO 3200 :)
in a dark room with a candle light.. it is just brilliant
 
Yeah definitely. I used to live by the sea and used to use a 10-stop filter (reducing the amount of light by a factor of x1024) and I used to just take 8-10 minute exposures of the ocean and town during the middle of the day.
 
well.. in the last 1-2 years I prefer filming more
I don't know why.. but for me (at least this time of my life)
 
@PeterVaro Well, yeah. I guess we are out of luck...
 
I prefer motion rather than still..
although I never had the money to try real analog filming instead of digital
 
9:08 AM
That's the other issue I have, I'd need to buy a totally new camera and all the kit for film.
 
@Ffisegydd omg.. I didn't imagine you like that
(just checked your G+ profile)
 
Hah
What did you imagine me as?
 
well, tbh your avatar effected me..
I mean, I did not imagine you as Stewie
 
bahahahahahaha.
 
also as I knew you are a physicist that also effected me
 
9:12 AM
Hah well I'm generally just untidy with an unshaven beard and longish curly blonde hair
 
the blonde hair bother me the most
:)
Stewie is not blonde.
@Ffisegydd finally I found a picture.. well.. it is similar how I imagined you:
and this is just so the opposite as look like ;)
 
Yeah that is a stereotypical kinda scientist looking person
 
probably..
 
Well, I have actually met many more looking like Ffis than like model in the photo :).
 
A lot of physicists look nothing like that though, you're more likely to find me covered in oil and vacuum grease holding a spanner the size of your arm used to undo nuts that are 6in wide
About the only thing the same is the nitrile gloves
Slowly putting together a list of docs links here
 
9:48 AM
Cabbage
 
cbg()
 
I don't suppose anyone here is familiar with Robot Framework and could help me send screenshots to a directory via command line argument? :p
 
10:14 AM
@tristan I'm liking this playlist so far
 
user559633
10:46 AM
@Ffisegydd good :) it gets less curated after jul 23rd additions
 
Project Nidaba o_O
 
@Swordy What about it?
 
Looks interesting
 
It does. We'll be looking for help eventually if you're interested.
When we start going.
 
yeah sure..
Though i'm a lot weaker w.r.t syntax , i guess i could help ..
 
11:01 AM
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Q: What does "SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'" mean in Python?

ncoghlanWhen I try to use a print statement in Python, it gives me this error: >>> print "Hello world!" File "<stdin>", line 1 print "Hello world!" ^ SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print' What does that mean?

Nick Coghlan has put a canonical question together for the new print error message in 3.4.2
 
11:23 AM
Cabbage; you merry bunch of reprobates
 
Cbg you lovable rogue you.
 
Steam's design is changed. At least for Windows.
 
I don't like their new thumbnail.
 
@vaultah 1) It's stinking 2) It's faster. Faster > Pretty imho
 
It's a horrid circle with terrible blue highlight
The older Steam logo looked much better.
 
11:32 AM
> Whatever you change or not there is always someone that disagrees with it.
 
I (almost) like the new look, but yeah, its icon sucks
 
Aaaah
Something inherently amazing about designing something from scratch and then 3D printing it
 
I think most people would agree they screwed up the icon.
It was a weird change too. The theme is still a dark grey one, albeit cleaner looking. And the mobile version is still using the older logo. But the new one is partially blue, it looks out of place. And it's quite frankly almost the same logo as that for Steam OS.
 
My meta post is in community bulletin box. I'm popular :')
 
You're inconsistent! :p
 
11:44 AM
So, the total score of my meta posts is +9 :D
 
12:11 PM
Am I late for Steam chat? Last week I bought Shovel Knight. Reminds me a lot of Megaman, although not nearly as difficult.
 
You are. We're all too busy playing Garry's Mod - Prop Hunt. I'm currently pretending to be a tin of means while @vaultah is hunting me with a crowbar :P
 
For example, the item that replenishes your hit points and energy can be refilled in between levels. A far cry from the few-and-far-between energy tanks of yore.
 
Warning: at least one of my previous statements was a lie.
 
I've been playing a bit more WoW again recently.
 
Ain't nobody got enough time for WoW
Don't have a problem with the actual game, I just remember trying to get a raid together sucked up valuable gaming time
 
12:15 PM
We've got a really good guild.
I've decided to stop raiding come the next expac though.
Got too much to do to be spending 2 nights a week raiding til midnight.
We were only casual but it still sucks up too much time when it's a commitment.
 
I appreciate that Shovel Knight doesn't have any winking references to the era that it's inspired from. No "it's a secret to everybody", no "all your base", no "I, {villain}, will knock you all down".
 
@Kevin Megaman, the bane of my childhood
 
One of the NPCs looks like Simon Belmont on steroids, but if you haven't played Castlevania, it doesn't seem out of place in the Shovel Knight world.
@Stormie I have never beaten a Megaman game. I can usually muddle through all of the levels, up until Wiley's castle (or whoever the villain of the day is). I haven't got the stamina to fight bosses with four forms.
 
@Kevin I was young enough to blindy headbutt the game until one of us gave in.. (I think you can guess who caved first)
 
I got Megaman Ten for the Wii, thinking "this time will be different. I'm not 12 any more". Turns out being an adult doesn't make Megaman any easier.
5
 
12:23 PM
I fully agree, and none of the newer ones got easier... Did you ever play the Battle Network game for Gamecube? It was cruel
 
I once got stuck on a part of Final Fantasy VII and got so frustrated that I began the game again from the beginning. When I got up to the same point again I realised I'd misread the instructions on the screen. I only wasted an additional 30 or so hours.
 
I had a lot of Gamecube games, but Battle Network wasn't one of them.
 
Oh man, it's definitely worth picking up if you're sadistic like that
 
I tried replaying Final Fantasy Adventure for the Game Boy recently. A lot like Link's Awakening, but not as fluid.
 
@Ffisegydd I did the exact same thing, albeit slightly different reason for resetting.. I'd forgotten what I had to do and didn't think to check the Journal
 
12:30 PM
One thing I noticed with the game was, when you stop moving the player character, he always comes to rest exactly on a sprite border, or exactly halfway between borders. So effectively, his position sticks to multiples of 8.
I'd be interested to know why the designers did that. Maybe it simplifies hit detection if the PC can only be in certain positions on the screen.
 
It must be, it's pixel-based movement too isn't it?
 
The walk animation appears to smoothly tween from one resting position to the next, but maybe that's only an illusion.
Maybe the actual hit box jumps directly from x=24 to x=32 without any intervening change. The player wouldn't notice; enemies move too frantically for him to think "I got hit, but our sprites never actually overlapped"
 
12:50 PM
sopython.com/wiki/12 is starting to get hectic...
 
Oh buggerations.
 
mhwhahahaha.
 
(One of the other offices in the building has gotten a 3D printer. This doesn't bode well)
@Ffisegydd "most up-to-date version (aka Python 3 ;)" -> At some point I really need to get up to speed with Python 3.x so I can actually answer questions again
 
Soon you'll be up to your armpits in flimsy plastic trinkets!
 
They muscling in on your turf?
You want us to come sort them out for you?
 
12:57 PM
@Kevin I already am
 
"A cartoon character, a green gravatar and a three-legged dog are here to see you boss...they wanna discuss the 3D printer...they look like they mean business..."
 
I keep my triangles razor sharp for intimidation purposes.
 
@Ffisegydd I'd feel bad. Technically, they bought theirs before I even moved into my office, it only just arrived today. They don't even know what software to use to run it
 
Although it usually just confuses people. "What am I looking at here? White triangles on a green background? Or a green shape with white holes?"
Doesn't matter. Both options are INCREDIBLY DEADLY.
 
1:00 PM
I like to star things just so when people come in later during the day they look at the board and think "What the actual f*** has been going on today...?"
7
Or, more often, "What the actual f*** is Kevin talking about now?"
 
Haha
 
What the fuck is happening
 
@Stormie We're clinging onto the surface of a rock that's hurtling through space at 29.78 km/s.
 
@IntrepidBrit After reading what I missed over the past half hour, I think I can feel the rock spinning
 
@Stormie IT SPINS?!
 
1:03 PM
Ever wonder why we can't feel the gravitational pull of the sun exerted on the Earth? Or the pull of the Galaxy exerted on our star system?
 
@IntrepidBrit Can't you feel it? It's like that Kylie Minogue song...
 
@Kevin Because of 1/r²
I know the answer to this one, but I love using it to destroy young physicists' minds. If the lunar pull is so strong to affect tidal forces, why doesn't it affect ants?
 
@IntrepidBrit Or, the same reason we don't feel the gravitational pull of our laptops, keyboards, mice, desks and other various bits and bobs
 
@Stormie Don't be silly. Laptops aren't magnetic. We wouldn't feel any gravity from them
 
@IntrepidBrit damn I don't even know the answer to that, but luckily I'm a condensed matter physicist so I don't give two shirts.
 
1:06 PM
@IntrepidBrit Magnetic or not, if it has mass it has it's own gravitational pull ;)
 
You'd think it would take a lot of force to get 10^30 kg to go in a circle instead of a straight line. But on the other hand, it has 240 million years to complete a circuit, so I guess a little force exerted over a long time goes a long way.
 
Arghhh, my LaTeX listing isn't syntax highlighting :(
 
<3 LaTeX
 
I don't believe in gravity. I believe in grabbity. When you jump up, it grabs you and pulls you back down.
3
 
@Kevin That was James Clerk Maxwell who said that, right?
 
1:09 PM
TeX is best, amirite?
 
Schools, please Teach the Controversy. Introduce Intelligent Falling to our physics students.
@IntrepidBrit mm, I dunno. I definitely stole it from somewhere, though.
 
@Stormie Oh really? Well I beg you to explain why my laptop doesn't go through the table. Magnetism and the weak force my friend.
 
Whoa whoa whoa. Serious question now guys. Why isn't collections.defaultdict capitalised like OrderedDict and Counter?
 
@Ffisegydd Erm, it's a default so noone cares?
 
Because the standard libraries are a big hot mess?
 
1:10 PM
@IntrepidBrit Look it up ;)
 
They're all subclasses of dict.
 
@Stormie Okay, I'll stop trolling now :P
 
@IntrepidBrit Could we use Python to develop a suit of troll-proof armour?
 
@Stormie No. Not even Python is that mighty.
 
@IntrepidBrit Not even if we gave it mass? :(
 
1:11 PM
Magnets work because they're pulled from the ground and so they still have some gravity in them.
12
 
Seems legit.
And electromagnets use... Virtual gravity? I think we're on to something here.
 
I think we should form a thinktank
 
Ooh, a tank powered by thoughts. This think tank is already going places.
 
@Kevin Also known as Dark Matter. Also known as Sarcasm?
 
We're going to space, using only our thoughts!
 
1:15 PM
The Earth is in space, and we're on Earth, therefore we're in space already.
 
Mind. Blown.
 
We're going to new space, using only our thoughts!
 
^ He understands
 
Of course he does, he's The One.
 
1:19 PM
The Matrix was a dramatic over-exaggeration of the above clip
 
Master Skywalker, I did not recognise you. I beg forgiveness
 
Star Wars meta chat time. Last week I watched Red Letter Media's reviews of the Star Wars prequels.
Despite being a deranged serial murderer, the presenter Mr Plinkett produces some convincing points.
 
Such as?
 
Most plot exposition takes place in scenes where all the characters are seated talking to one another. The most dynamic scene is the one where Padme is packing her bag while talking to Anakin. Excitement!
 
No mention of our lord and fuhrer Jar Jar Binks?
 
1:26 PM
so, looking for a new challenge in python. Suggestions?
 
99% of the action scenes were recorded on a green screen in a comfy air conditioned sound stage, which undercuts the tension. When Anakin tells Samuel L Jackson that he thinks the senator is a sith lord, he says, "we must hurry to the council immediately" but they continue walking at a leisurely pace, because there isn't enough room on the stage to break into a run.
 
@corvid Create a realistic Jar Jar Binks translation tool in Python that can use any words (in context) from the latest edition of the Oxford Dictionary
 
Compare to say, the Tatooine scenes in the original trilogy, which were recorded in an actual desert. So when the actors look dirty and sweaty and tired, it's because they are.
 
@Kevin Well, that's upsetting. :(
 
Then there's a bunch of plot holes, most of which I forget. The most prominent one was, "Anakin and Kenobi hitch a ride on the enemy ships, which land on the Jar Jar planet. They then use a gungan ship to travel through the center of the planet, to reach the city the bad guys are going to attack. Why did the bad guys land on the exact opposite point on the planet as their target?"
 
1:30 PM
V npghnyyl qba'g zvaq gur cerdhryf. V ernyyl rawblrq Cunagbz Zranpr.
rot13 if you dare.
 
@JonClements waiting for @corvid to get back to me, although I could make the changes myself
 
@davidism yar? SOPython?
 
Yes, would you like to complete the review, or would you like me to edit and merge?
 
@Kevin Maybe the new ones won't be as ... mediocre?
 
sure I've just been doing a few other random things, I'll fix it up and re-submit in an hour or two?
 
1:36 PM
@Kevin Surprise attack? Avoiding StarWarsRadar?
 
ok, sounds good
 
@JonClements I know, was originally going to write something concerning how all members are european.
 
@IntrepidBrit Well, we know that they're doing on-location filming on some distant island. So it won't be 100% green screen, which is good.
 
Ireland wasn't it?
 
@IntrepidBrit That's an exotic place... Right?
 
1:39 PM
Yeah, Ireland. I read about it on reputable news site The Onion
 
@Kevin Must be true
 
Hmmm, if anyone is familiar with LaTeX I have an odd conundrum:
\begin{lstlisting}[language=bash]
 
@Stormie Depends on your definition of exotic ;)
 
No syntax highlighting, using the listings package
 
(The introductory parts of opinion pieces are non-fiction, btw)
 
1:41 PM
It's not giving me any highlights on other languages either, that's upsetting
 
I used to read the BBC, but their evidently exaggerated articles, and outrageous fabrications made me change to The Onion.
 
@Owatch Bah. Oh the BBC, how low you've fallen. I dislike how it's not pandering to popularism and those sort of articles
And the stuff of actual substance is falling by the wayside :(
 
Skirllex's Kill Everybody has just come up on Pandora. I like this song, but I have to remember not to sing along.
Haltingly pronouncing "I want to eat your heart" is not good for office relations.
 
davidism, by chance, do you know which flask addon is good for managing searches of database tables?
 
No, we wrote our own search api at work.
 
1:55 PM
your work sounds like it likes flask hah
 
Mostly because it was very specific to the way the site is being used.
I like Flask, and am the lead developer of the project, the rest of my company "likes" java.
 

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