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04:44
@tristan H+ was shite -- if you don't have better things to do, sure, try it, otherwise watch something else if you can..
@Peter morning :)
naaah.. for me it is the end of the night ;)
but @JonClements cabbage anyway ;)
@Peter wow... you not been to bed yet?
nope -- for the last 2 months I was living in LA time -- or something like that..
get up at 3 PM and lay down at 8-9 AM
I think that's also known as "Student Time"
04:47
is it?
well, I can work so much better at the night -- besides I can't do anything meaningful when the weather is hot, but at night it is quite pleasant actually
cabbage @cyberra
will you be around this weekend @JonClements?
Yesterday i have a very wonderful day with dump() method
@Peter I'm around the weekend - but will be working on stuff
Why do you ask?
cbg @cyberra
will you have ~30 minutes for me?
04:50
debugging with Werkzeug is very good!
@Peter I'm sure you can have 30 mins :)
I'm 99.5% ready yet with my reference (C and Python mostly)
and I want you to take a look at the code bases, the project pages, etc.
I'd be happy to do so :)
just a quick review -- and I'm also very interested in your opinion
ahh, thanks, I will appreciate that!
Sunday will probably be best... grab me sometime early evening when you're about :)
04:52
all righty, thanks again
anyway I call it a night -- I'm going to watch one episode, and then go to bed ;)
have a nice day all
rhubarb
~
Sleep well - rbrb
i have 2:57 pm
6am here :)
05:15
cbg
ahh.. it's difficult when you work with project alone
cbg @vaultah
i was realized REST interface, now i need to implement admin and moderator interfaces
#tryingtobestronger
1134
Q: Why does Windows think that my wireless keyboard is a toaster?

ydaetskcoRI've inherited an old PC from my girlfriend's dad and when setting up the printer I got a bit of a surprise: Two questions spring to mind here: Why does Windows think my wireless keyboard is a toaster? Why does Windows even have an icon for a toaster in the devices menu?

What a hilarious post
05:27
heya @odai
i keep getting this error : Unable to start phantomjs with ghostdriver
here's my code : driver = webdriver.PhantomJS(executable_path='/home/user/mysite/phantomjs/phantomjs') thats where phantomjs is located
how would this differ from just specifying a package for which pip will then pull in the newest version? PyPI hosts tarballs for each packagem how do I tell pip to not download those but rather from the PKG-INFO Download-url:? — TheChymera 1 hour ago
I d onot understand anything
@odai never used it, but this search seems to throw up enough results - one of those must be useful, surely?
nothing helped
@JonClements btw is some replevel needed to see vote breakdown
ah 1000 :P
05:33
@odai well, I don't have it installed so can't play with it (plus don't have the time to do so)... I doubt you have a unique problem though... it will be in one of those search resultsd :)
@Antii yes - it's a 1000
it works fine on windows , but linux version doesn't work
I will make a bot soon that will reply automatically whenever someone writes @Antii :D
@odaialghamdi need executable bit?
hmm
what you mean ?
anyone have a funciton that would: for given n give me an RGB color that is as "far" as possible from colors 0 .. n-1
@odai check your path to phantomjs again, or print everything you need to know about workflow
05:39
this is for a simple map coooring problem and I am too lazy to reduce it to fourcolor
the path to phantomjs is right
i'm on pythonanywhere
and don't forget to use pydb
My kivy app is running fine in Linux but fails on android
05:56
@odai The guy who owns that company seems nice - I'm sure if you contacted them for support - they'd be able to sort you out :)
06:48
cabbage
cabbaga
Third tier cabbage magic from final fantasy?
heya @lime :)
how's it going?
@Zacrath that comment is my favourite comment ever.
06:53
I'm glad you liked it. :D
@Ffisegydd STEWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Jon Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiian!
@Ffisegydd wow this one thankfully didn't turn into a mission like I expected it to :)
What the heck? The LBC radio player is serving me ads for "Pink furby slippers" from Argos
I was on Argos yesterday looking for shower mats... how the heck are those remotely related?
heya @Abhishek - how ya been?
07:17
I think they'd look great on you.
@Zacrath I'd have to order two pairs though
Don't think they do them in threes
cbg @JonClements , Banana. How are you?
@Abhishek bananas, melon :)
SOpython looks great. Checking after a while.
@Abhishek it's certainly an improvement - @davidism and @Ffisegydd have done a lot of work on it
@Ian cbg
07:23
Cbg :)
@JonClements and I apologise for not finding the time to help out as well :(
@Ian no need... I've done pretty much bugger all in this incarnation of it... so I'll feel bad for the both of us :)
@Jon , Yes I do missed many things here while i was interviewing with companies for internship.
How's that working out?
Well, I messed up one. Job for front end developer and I couldn't prepare everything including Algorithms and Javascript in 3-4 days. At last opposite happened. Got algorithms based questions only.
ahhh okies
07:38
@Abhishek we're in the same position - you want to use something I came up with?
I came up with something pretty simple, but that's because it was initially meant to be a 20 minute exercise in the interview, and we moved it to pre-interview stage
@Ian , Sure. BTW I interviewed with Facebook.
jsfiddle.net/ianclark001/vzXs6 - Basically I'm just sending them a screenshot of the output and asking them to construct
07:42
@Abhishek awww... you've got the Python room on your profile - awesome :)
and have to turn the data into the result. Discussing what issues they might have in a production env (e.g. browser compatibility)
@Abhishek then second task (in interview) is to take their result and create a filter a la jsfiddle.net/ianclark001/ef15nxky
@Ian okay, So a front end exercise. I actually was asked to do so but that took me 10 hours.
@Jon thanks!
@Abhishek ohhh, you mean you were attending the interviews?
BOOM
seals the CV
No,I had to submit via email and after that 2 phone interview and then offer.
@Abhishek - no but I mean you were the candidate, not the person who was hiring!
07:46
Yes
Ahhh ok
did you ace the questions? What were you asked?
@Ian this : cloudtub.com/puzzle/layout1.html . Simple calendar rendering puzzle without overlapping and utilising max available width.
and programming questions on phone interview. Unfortunately no. I couldn't complete last interview question in phone interview.
Ah :( - what was it about?
Binary trees.
@Ian Btw, How was yours?
@Abhishek I'm in the other position, trying to find someone :)
07:57
@Ian the company's still expanding then? I'm wondering if it was a right decision to not have pursued that one further now :)
08:08
@JonClements we've got a very ambitious goal for the next 6 months so we're bringing in lots of new faces for it :)
@Ian always good to hear stuff like that... some companies are laying people off... nice to hear of a project where taking people on is needed :)
:D
39
Q: What to do with my teapot (Or: Is there an effective way to get a static Ip Address to a home)

JoeI maintain this teapot. It returns a 418 error when it is pinged and it is pinged regularly by people arriving from the relevant Wikipedia page. It sits on a shelf in my office in the Computer Science department of a university and the support guys were kind enough to give it a dedicated IP a...

Wow... "I maintain this teapot" - hell of a way to start a post :)
wb @DanielRoseman
08:24
thanks @JonClements
reminds me of the story that in the early days of the internet students in one university CS lab used the "finger" tool to check the status of the coffee pot
they might even have written finger especially for that, I can't remember
I remember finger and gopher :)
@DanielRoseman can you take a quick look at this one what am I not getting that appears to be obvious to the OP?
I guess they're using someone else's script that takes a command-line parameter and passes it directly to fnmatch, and they can't modify the script itself - so they need something that can actually be a parameter to that
Ahh... that'd make sense I guess...
08:53
umm... I did not make a £300 cash withdrawal in Sheffield yesterday... sighs
card cancelling time again
...again!?
yup :*(
I'm pretty sure being in Kent - there's much more local cashpoints I could have used :)
Do you regularly go to dodgy websites or something for your secret double life?
I'm starting to think that dodgydoggies might not be the best site to be spending money
09:11
arhghg... I like sending invoices, I don't like receiving them...
This cv-pls addon is awesome.
09:22
I love the fact that when my brother and I meet up - we take it in turns to buy meal/drinks - when he's buying we end up in Whetherspoons - on my turn, he ends up deciding to go to some poncy restaurants
Had my first academic paper accepted by the journal.
£24 for a 7oz steak... someone's having a giraffe!
Which means in a week or so when the proofs and things are finalised I'll be a published academic O_o
@Ffisegydd oh fantastic! congrats! do us mere non-academic mortals get to see this at some point?
I'm sure I'll be able to find a PDF copy :P
09:25
Make sure you do Stewie... Brian's very interested :p
I could send you the proofs but they're not as purdy as the finished copy.
I can wait for the purdy proof :)
welcome @imanis_tn
Ahhh... note to self... don't confuse the glass of water you've poured yourself with the glass of gin&tonic you had the previous night... the large gulp of "water" was errr, an interesting sensation
great excuse for drinking gin at 10.30 in the morning though
09:32
@Daniel doesn't exactly help debugging though :) Better have a coffee to counter-act any effects :)
No response, and I doubt we'll get one: stackoverflow.com/questions/25323639/…
No point leaving "I'll dump my assignment on a website" questions around
@JonClements cant delete now
we should have a delete queue
oh... that's because you need 20k to delete within 48 hours
grr
anw, how about having a delete queue of "dv-pls" on sopython :D
@Antti it's certainly an idea - I was going to say there already is a delete queue on the 10k tools :)
When we get RABBIT up it might be nice if he keeps track of cv-pls requests and sees if they're executed etc.
Same for delv-pls.
09:43
Put it on trello
James O'Brien is brilliant on LBC
I'm in the process of moving house at the moment but once I've moved and settled down I plan to get back on things and whittle some of the Trello down.
As well as beginning some work on Nidaba.
By then Games should have finished his semester also so he'll be around more hopefully.
@Ffisegydd by all means - get your life in order first - worry about other stuff later mate :)
hey
isnt this the life
Unfortunately you can't pay bills with rep.
you get customers and employers with rep
with money they give you pay the bills :d
ask martijn :P
09:49
Ain't no one coming knocking with money for 5k rep :P
We need to form a hivemind of rep.
@Ffisegydd learn PHP for easy rep :P
Hah. I should learn Julia and steal some of DSM's rep.
@Antti I didn't know you hated Stewie! :)
10:27
All my hardwork finally paid off. I made a kivy app for android
Compiling form android was a huge mess
I had to include openssl to allow https.
It took hellof a time to compile but I finally have an app written in about 30 lines of code.
10:52
Cabbage, you lucky people
CBG @IntrepidBrit
@user3620828 Don't you need OpenSSL on the android platform if you want https?
I mean, there's no other way to get https?
Yes! It was giving me errors until I included openssl in the libraries to be compiled
It took me great amount of time to figure that out. But finally added openssl and now I can do HTTPS
BTW how do you like my app
`The GUI I mean. What's your opinion on it
@user3620828 Hard to judge without knowing the purpose of the app etc
It looks functional, and that's all I really care about when it comes to developing apps and webpages
You type in the vehicle license plate number and you get the details regarding the vehicle and owner
It works only in India
11:01
Then there's not much else to say I guess
Does the text box at the top have a default, pre-loaded value like "Type in Indian vehicle license plate number"?
@DanielRoseman Welcome Back
thanks @IntrepidBrit
@DanielRoseman Boke. That's actually heinous
@IntrepidBrit No thanks for the suggestion
11:07
@user3620828 Just want it to be as clear as possible. Out of interest, did you compile or cross compile?
I mean no, Thanks for the suggestuon
Yes
I compiled on Linux
no thanks and no, thanks are completely different. I need to improve my grammar
@user3620828 Ah it's fine bud. I understood. Practise makes perfect ;)
@user3620828 Surprised it took so long, but at least you weren't trying to compile on the destination device...
@user3620828 You're welcome
Maky android apps with kivy is easy as hell. I love python
In java it'd have taken ages
@IntrepidBrit BTW Kivy allows only cross compilation. Linux and Mac only.
No windows
@user3620828 Never tried to use Kivy. Only ever made "trivial" android apps for my own nefarious ends
Mine is only 30 lines of code
11:12
@user3620828 That's good then. After spending a fair amount of time working on embedded Linux systems, some of the stuff that people were trying to do to get Python working on their systems was a bit mental
I've been going crazy about this accomplishment. Showed it to all my neighbours and messaged the screenshot to all my friends. LOL!
@user3620828 It's the best bit of any project. That buzz when you finish some usuable functionality
My neighbour happens to be running a car rental service
You planning to take it further, or is it just a pet project?
Further
I'm gonna develop a lot more Indian apps
11:15
@user3620828 I mean, are you going to continue to improve this particular app?
Yes, of course
@user3620828 What's next for it?
@user3620828 You show your programs to your neighbours? If I did that they'd be like "Who the hell are you?"
India is different @user3794894
@Zacrath (Cabbage)
11:17
cabbage
@Zacrath I know my neighbours, but they'd be like: "and so what? get out of my garden"
@Zacrath One of my neighbours owns a car rental business. So this app might be useful for him
The one time I told my neighbour I was a programmer, he got me to fix his computer
Also we don't even have Lawns and Gardens or Swimming pools. Houses are built closely
Overpopulation
Our houses are very small and neighbours end up being good friends or good enimies
Because they have to put up with each other's stuff
Some houses even have common bathrooms
One bathroom for 3 houses
Believe me I've been there
@user3620828 Hey, I'm not judging. I used to have an outside toilet ;)
11:24
cbg.
cbg @MartijnPieters
And of course my print() answer got downvoted, presumably because I had the temerity to answer a too-simple question.
cbg @MartijnPieters
@MartijnPieters cbg
@MartijnPieters How dare you?
@IntrepidBrit I know, right? The temerity! The arrogant selfishness!
That only works during a small timeslot each day, and only if the sun is shining, but WOW that illusion works well!
11:35
@MartijnPieters Yeah, I think geniune 3D art is awesome, but so much of the stuff on social media are photoshopped
Does anyone use PyGame here?
I've never had to worry about real time communications before, and I was pondering how good PyGame's multiplayer functionality is
It would be for a pet project
@MartijnPieters "Just got stackoverflow confused with google temporarily!"
I'm not sure what one would say to that
@IntrepidBrit nope; I took it as a failed attempt at humour..
11:50
I have experimented with pygame, but nothing involving multiplayer
@MartijnPieters Fair enough. Where's the winky face? It's the internet's way of knowing that you're not being srs
@Kevin In the past I've always resorted to writing my own mini-engines. Reckon it's worthwhile using PyGame?
@IntrepidBrit Emphasis on failed.
Hard to say whether you'd gain much by using it. It doesn't have engine-y stuff like collision detection or anything.
(Unless you count Rect.collideRect(rect) as "collision detection")
I do find it preferable to use Pygame over, say, directly invoking OpenGL calls myself.
If I did, I'd probably end up making slow, bug-ridden, feature-incomplete versions of the existing Rect and Surface classes anyway, so I may as well save the effort and just use what already exists
Ick, stop with the countdown, AirPair! :-P
2h till "What's new in Python 3.4" by @zopatista #python http://airpa.ir/1l8lZmu! #AirConf http://t.co/Uwa79MzYnK
One an hour ago too.
@Kevin Makes sense. Why re-invent the wheel unnecessarily?
12:04
@MartijnPieters I'm excited, anyway
@MartijnPieters Bah. I wish I could partake in watching it
It's something of a slippery slope for me... "why write my own Surface.blit function? I'll just use Pygame! Why write my own physics routines? I'll just use Unity! Why write my own game engine? I'll just mod Super Mario World with my own levels! Why make my own levels? I'll just play Super Mario World as-is!"
"(re-)Inventing the wheel" always reminds of Douglas Adams and "you tell us what colour it should be!"
@Martijn the evil puppy in me actually wants ti replace those with real bollards ;-)
12:24
@JonClements: and then 3D paint them on the side the car is coming from to look like pavement?
@Kevin Ha! With so many indie studios these days, there's more games than hours to play games
I have a 3D printer y'know...
eyes light up with $$ symbols....
Isn't your thing in 35 mins?
$$ symbols - didn't think Scotland had left the pound yet ;-)
@JonClements One of the suggestions I've heard is that instead of using Sterling, we should use the dollar
Since the oil trade is conducted in dollars
12:29
Sep 18th isn't it?
World economy, please adopt "credits" as universal currency so we can live in the future. Thanks in advance.
Alternatively, adopt "gil" so we can live in a fantasy RPG world.
+1 for gil.
@JonClements Aye. Bloody hell it's soon, but at the same time, not soon enough
12:57
Can't replicate bug on local machine. QA can't provide steps to reproduce because she's on vacation. Why is life difficult.
To test your resolve. Only the strong may dwell in Valhalla.
(expected reply: "for proper perspective, remember that there are people starving in Africa right now".)
(That's true, but can we focus on what really matters here: me?)
Never mind Africa, there's some people starving in Britain. Like me! The burger van is closed and there's no public transport
I just went had a salmon en croute and a glass of wine
puppy's been working since 4:30 am
I admire your work ethic.
13:08
might have to do the Spanish thing and have a siesta, then get ready to go out for a meal later
I don't. I think your work ethic that involves eating sucks
@Kevin well, if you wake up at 4am and can't get back to sleep - might as well do something rather than just lay in bed
That "something" for me is usually "watch funny internet videos"
@Kevin ahh yes, but now I can watch funny internet videos tonight instead of working :)
13:22
Ah excellent
Arming Kurdish rebels. That's never gone wrong before. Ever. Like the Taliban. Syrian rebels, Israel...
Yup - it's a complete flawless plan - I completely agree... what could possibly ever go wrong with the insane idea?
Cabbage!
Hey man, whatever reduces the cost of gas by ten cents a gallon.
I wonder if I can get a car that runs on the tears of orphans.
Good luck with that Kevin - the orphans will probably all be gunned down as well
@Fenikso cbg
So whats up, I mean apart from some lunatics armed by US being considered a good plan.
13:26
Not just the US - the UK is supplying arms too now
The UK's planning to arm them too
waves a small Union Jack
Oh, OK. More weapons then.
BTW, anyone doing sometimes Windows GUI automation in Python?
Not me.
I don't want no computers using my programs. That's why I randomly shuffle the position of all my buttons, and require a captcha on every screen.
@IntrepidBrit I mean the UK is going to be pretty useless in many ways... we don't even have an operational aircraft carrier until 2016, and the planes for that won't be ready until 2018
we sold off all the harrier jumpjets that could have worked
and de-commisioned an albeit it old, but perfectly functional carrier
Now... it might just be me being stupid, but you'd keep something in service until the replacement was ready, surely?
It's like someone using Python 2.5, and saying... "It looks like Python 3.x might be out in a few years... I'll wait for that and won't do any programming in Python until then"
13:35
In theory, yes. But 1) We can timeshare with French & american aircraft carriers. We have airbases all over the globe (nobody else can rival that) and our aircraft can generally strike from land bases from our many, many allies in the world if needed (not ideal)
2) Unfortunately, the harriers (unless serious money is pumped into them), cannot compete with current/next generation aircraft. They're extremely useful against insurgents. But if they're playing that role, we're effectively using them like helicopters. It then is only fair to compare them against the apaches
(Which I suspect are much better at what they do)
Well, apparently the new jets we've ordered still support VTOL but are much more efficient acting as jets
Which one are those? F-35s?
I think they're SVTOL
@Fenikso Yep, we're fed up of collaborating with the Europeans, so we're making planes with the US
There are multiple variants from no-TOL to whatever-TOLs.
@JonClements (I'm gutted that Lusty is out of service :( )
13:39
Bring back the Spitfires!
The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is a family of single-seat, single-engine, all weather stealth multirole fighters currently under development. The fifth generation combat aircraft is designed to perform ground attack, reconnaissance, and air defense missions. The F-35 has three main models: the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant, the F-35B short take-off and vertical-landing (STOVL) variant, and the F-35C carrier-based CATOBAR (CV) variant. The F-35 is descended from the X-35, which was the winning design of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program. It is being designed and...
Dupe of this post from yesterday
We've ordered a few dozen of those apparently
Yep. It's a pity we didn't get the CATOBAR launch ones in the end. I think they can carry more arms and the like
But then we wouldn't be able to mothball "Prince of Wales" straight away
13:40
Yeah... think we went with the F-35B's
@Kevin What a mess.
The Queen Elizabeth class is a class of two aircraft carriers currently under construction for the British Royal Navy. The first, HMS Queen Elizabeth was named on 4 July 2014, with her commissioning planned for 2017, and an initial operational capability expected in 2020. The second, HMS Prince of Wales is scheduled for launch around 2017, followed by commissioning in 2020. A decision has not yet been made on whether to operate the second carrier. The contract for the vessels was announced on 25 July 2007 by the then Secretary of State for Defence, Des Browne, ending several years of delay over...
Oh great - worse than I thought - not until 2020
A decision has not yet been made on whether to operate the second carrier - wtf?
If we're not going to operate it - why build the bloody thing!?
@JonClements More expensive to break the contract
I remember seeing that
but since it's got to be built - might as well run it
@JonClements I agree. I reckon we should "offer" it to the UN as a humanitarian crisis support platform
13:42
@JonClements ...or sell it?
These things are billions of pounds each - no point just having it docked up, surely!?
@Fenikso Sell cutting edge British naval tech? Not on your nelly
@JonClements Would make an epic floating hotel
World's first STOVL cruise ship
Actually, that's not a bad idea re: crisis support platform... if we're not going to run it ourselves, then "rent" it out as it were
@IntrepidBrit If French can sell Mistrals to Russians, well...
@Fenikso We're not the French. We don't sell arms to our allies' enemies
13:45
Maybe I am wrong, I do not follow the news so closely.
@IntrepidBrit Well, I meant that you can still sell it to your allies, right?
For a period following the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review, the government had intended to purchase the F-35C carrier variant and modify one carrier to use the CATOBAR system to launch and recover these aircraft. This was because the cheaper F-35C variant has a greater range and can carry a larger and more diverse payload than the F-35B.[32][57]
Talk soon, if only AirPair would give me a hangout to connect to..
@Martijn that'd probably help :)
@JonClements I still think we should do that IF we were going to run 2. The whole point in ACs is to provide operational flexibility. Kinda gutted that the Tories wimped out
Well - they're too busy making everyone on benefits look like the scum of the planet
That whole bedroom tax thing is a complete and utter disaster
13:48
@Fenikso The problem is two-fold 1) Who could afford to run such an immense beast of an aircraft carrier and not own an aircraft carrier already and 2) Have to use F-35 STOVL variant fighter jets. It's a small subset
@JonClements I agree that something had to be done about the living situation, but the Bedroom Tax wasn't a good solution.
A decent, relatively "hands off" Tory solution, but if they weren't against further Government spending, they could have done something better
@JonClements As for benefits - I think Workfare isn't a complete disaster. The point of benefits is to act as a safety net. So if you get benefits, you can have a roof over your head, food etc. But I don't think they should be given all money. They should be given food vouchers etc, and SOME money
But they have to work at minimum wage for those benefits. They can opt to work more hours, and earn more actual money if they want. OR, they can use that time to job-seek
(Obviously, those on disability allowances will be treated more leniently for various reasons)
Aaah, MarkTopia. If only people were stupid enough to vote for me
@MartijnPieters who are you talking to there, that I can ping to get a link to join myself? Joe Mellin?
Hey Guys. Anyone using Wagtail?
Not me.
It's a new CMS based on Django. Looks pretty neat.

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