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Welcome to the Spring February 2013 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Town Hall Chat
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Before we begin, I have a big opening text. Please withhold all of your commentary and questions until after I clear through it all.
We're just here to get to know the candidates and ask questions regarding the candidates views on moderation that may help in voting.
A few notes about the format:
The format is open, feel free to ask your question(s) unprompted, however please be mindful of whether or not candidates have answered the previous questions so that they don't get behind and start missing questions. Other than that, feel free to jump in.
Candidates, be sure to use the reply feature so that questions and their answers are linked together. (Hover your mouse over the left of the message, click the down arrow, click reply)
It's a good idea to bold your questions (use ** or __ around it) to make them easier to see. When a question is asked, I'll star it - please star it yourself also to help! Please save stars for the questions so that candidates can refer to the star list to make sure they haven't missed a question. Do not star non-questions, especially not responses.
@TimStone will be creating a digest version of the town hall chat after it is completed. This digest will take the form of a question on meta, containing all the questions asked as well as their answers for easier reading.
For candidates among us right now, I believe I spy, in no particular order: @animuson, @MadaraUchiha, @JonClements, @Neal, @minitech, @RaghavSood, @Flexo, @RocketHazmat, @JNK, @kiamlaluno, @Sathya, @Gordon, @bluefeet, @ChrisF, @LordTorgamus, @Kolink, @Lix, @RichardJ.RossIII, @Wooble
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And that concludes our introduction. Let us begin with questions!
In your opinion, what do moderators do?
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@GraceNote Maintain some form of sanity ;)
@GraceNote Clean up the spillage in aisle 5
@GraceNote Moderators can be anywhere from glorified garbagemen to principals of the school.
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@GraceNote Handle exceptional situations that the usual community moderation system can't.
@GraceNote They are the exception handlers that keep the trashcan clean.
@GraceNote Moderators lead the community. Plain and simple. It's more about garbage disposal, it's about giving people an image to look at and mimic.
@GraceNote They make sure this site is clean and friendly. We make sure everyone uses this site the way it should be so that everyone is happy! :)
As well as reviewing the flags that are raised as part of the usual system, of course.
@GraceNote Moderators work to maintain and lead the community.
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@GraceNote An excellent question, Anna. I think that the core of what moderators do has to do with the custom flags around the site, and overall maintenance.
@GraceNote As little as possible if we take the Theory of Moderation. In a nutshell I'd say keep StackOverflow a place everyone can enjoy and find quality answers on.
@GraceNote Moderators keep the site clean and act as examples of good community members.
@GraceNote Overall maintenance and order in the community.
If your answer was that moderators are exception handlers or used a metaphor, can you elaborate on what situations you think are exceptional?
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@GraceNote My view: handle the stuff that the community can't. "Can't" could mean lack of traffic but got flagged still, it could mean disputed and resolving disputes and it could mean privileged actions that no amount of rep confers to non-mods.
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@GraceNote Moderators remove spam and help angry people. (And clean up stuff in a vote.) (Yeah, I went non-metaphorical for once!)
@GraceNote The role of moderators is to do the little maintenance tasks the community can't handle or doesn't want to handle.
@GraceNote As little as possible, but they do it well. For the most part, flagging, deleting, closing etc. is handled really well by high-reputation users. Mod should only need to get involved if there is a disagreement, such as disputed flags, although that doesn't mean they shouldn't take part in the normal voting system too - just so long as it's done right.
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@GraceNote Depends on the site. On smaller sites they do a more diverse set of tasks than on larger ones like SO. SO is unique in that there are a lot more users with mod privileges than on most of the rest of the network. On DBA I do a lot of hand holding and community building. On SO I plan to focus mainly on the flag queue and more specific admin tasks like migration/deletions.
@AnnaLear Can you explain that a little more?
@AnnaLear Exceptional cases are cases that the community alone cannot handle. Abuse, spam, sockpuppeting, and cases which require immediate attention.
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@AnnaLear Users who regularly cause trouble by posting offensive content, harassing other users, attempting to mess with the rep system by using multiple accounts, &c.
@AnnaLear Users abusing the system, picking fights with/insulting other users, spamming, sock puppet accounts, attempts to game the system. Other cases like bad questions, or off topic questions are easily and well handled by the community
@Neal "Moderators can be anywhere from glorified garbagemen to principals of the school." - What does that mean? Specifically. What does being a garbageman mean for Stack Overflow?
What do you consider the most important job of a moderator, amongst all their duties?
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@AnnaLear Each situation should be handled individually, abuse is different than just posts that aren't very good.
@AnnaLear There are many exceptional situations, such as blocking sock puppets.
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@AnnaLear There are things that the community just cannot maintain including spam, sockpuppets. There are cases when a moderator is needed.
@GraceNote Keeping up with the flag queue.
@AnnaLear One interesting place where moderators may be needed which isn't focused on right now is tag synonyms & maintenance there. I think that that should be focused on more as a whole.
JNK
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@AnnaLear Exceptions would be rude comments, spam users that need to be nuked, questions on the wrong site (without a votable migration path), comments posted as answers...
@GraceNote Maintaining the integrity of the Site.
@AnnaLear There's always stuff that needs deleting and otherwise cleaning up more quickly than even a large community like Stack Overflow can handle. We need to be there to warn users about potentially disruptive behaviour etc - something that the regular community can't do.
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@AnnaLear Ahhh ok. It means cleaning up what might have gone wrong, spam and disruptive users who might not be what is wanted on the network per se.
@GraceNote The most important part? It has to be the flagging. That's what they're there for, right?
@GraceNote Calming things down, first and foremost — not that it’s too terribly common to need to do that.
@GraceNote To filter out abuse and keep this place friendly. That or to help new users understand how to use this place.
@GraceNote Keeping the users happy :-)
@AnnaLear get my flag review queue down to nothing - it bugs me having it on the screen
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If you made it this far, you're already moderating Stack Overflow - what do you look forward to doing differently as an elected moderator?
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@GraceNote Ultimately, they speak for the community - primarily through flags, but also but providing feedback and guidance.
@GraceNote The primary function of the site is Q&A - the single most important thing is making that work for the whole community. Without users and content the site would be dead.
@GraceNote I'd say that would be guiding the community, its users (specifically its newer users), so that they learn to be productive and mini-moderators on their own.
@GraceNote It is too keep the level of tolerability to the right degree.
@GraceNote Being the link between the community and Stack Exchange.
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@GraceNote Keeping on top of flags. There are a lot of them, and they need to be cleared as often as possible to maintain the quality of the site and boost the signal:noise ratio.
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@GraceNote Again this depends on the site. On DBA we do community building and try to increase awareness/involvement. On SO you have big city problems, so I think the biggest responsibility on SO would be taking care of broken windows.
@GraceNote Leading the community through your behavior.
@Shog9 Being able to take matters into my own hands. Sometimes I feel I can fix a post myself, and being able to do so would help.
@GraceNote Cleaning out low quality stuff and handling flags.
@Shog9 Getting things done faster, for the most part.
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@Shog9 Being able to do certain things more quickly - especially on Meta (assuming that the meta diamond comes along with the Stack Overflow one)
@Shog9 I think that moderators need to do more about the tags on the site. There way too many bad ones that slip through the cracks, and while we have many users dedicated to retagging, it simply isn't enough. As a moderator, I wouldn't have to get the required score in a tag to add a synonym, speeding up the burnination process.
@Shog9 My biggest frustration as a 20K user is seeing 49K in the close votes queue and having used up my pitiful 50 votes on the front page before noon.
@Shog9 Well for one thing, I might not be answering as many questions -- I will try to go through all of what is on my plate (flags and the like) and try to get others to help me in my endevours
@Shog9 At the moment, my biggest complaint is that there's a limit to how much I can do everyday. I've run out of mod flags and close votes many, many times. The tag which I mainly work on needs a major cleanup. Mod powers will enable me to do more not only on the Android tag, but on the entire site. Also, helping with site maintenance tasks like tag cleanups, burninations etc.
@Shog9 Having the ability to migrate questions would allow me to better deal with the "Off-topic" close votes, so they can be moved to their relevant site and get a better answer there.
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@Shog9 I look forward to having more tools available to combat problems and more autonomy to handle things without simply passing the buck to someone else.
@Wooble Innit 40?
@Shog9 Good question, I want to take on the role of a leader, people listen to you more when you got the diamond. I want to educate users to be patient and gracious about newcomers, even when they asked the silliest of questions.
@GraceNote Similar to my answer to the first question, but: dealing with any sort of problem that can't be handled by others. That is, it's more important for mods to deal with suspensions than editing for grammar (and I say that as someone who loves editing).
@Shog9 There are many things I cannot do without to be moderator; once of my aims would be to coordinate between the Drupal community on Stack Overflow, and Drupal Answers.
@Shog9 Having the ability to remove answers without the two-step process of flagging first. Getting things done much faster as a mod.
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@GraceNote good point I can already vote close/delete... but for instance, I'd still rather have the option to bind delete and get rid of unncessary Q's and answers
How do you think moderating will affect your participation as far as asking and answering questions go? ie: Do you think you'll have enough time for both, or are you willing to forgo "normal" participation in order to moderate?
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@Shog9 I think being able to handle issues faster (single vote power) is key on SO since the flood of questions - and related problems - rarely slows down. Closing/deleting/migrating more efficiently and without waiting for a consensus.
@Shog9 I am looking forward to be part of the moderator team, coordinating my efforts with them.
Ok, one from a "regular" user (regular as in a user that comes here constantly, and a normal, not moderator one). I know from posts and meta and chat some of you, but not all names are familiar to me. Why should I trust the moderation of this site to you?
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What times of day do you foresee yourself being active as a moderator, which days of the week?
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@NullUserException I believe I will have enough time for both.
@NullUserException I'm both willing to forgo normal participation in order to moderate and in the belief that I won't need to often. After all, there's a rep cap :( Anyways, I found time to go through two review queues every morning.
@NullUserException I already spend too much time here as it is, so I should have enough time to do both.
@NullUserException I will have the time to do both.
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@GraceNote Deal with situations beyond the control of the community.
@NullUserException Right now, I don't focus on answering questions, and nor do I ask them frequently. I'll still pitch in in situations where I feel that I can add something that others can't, but I wouldn't expect anything more than what I contribute now
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@NullUserException As I answered @Shog9, I do not think I would be answering as much as I used to because I will have a lot more on my plate.
@NullUserException I don't see a contradiction between both. We already have moderators both answering and moderating (also, isn't that what we already do?)
@NullUserException With the amount of time I spend on SO, there's time for both participating and moderating.
@NullUserException If my experience on the other sites is anything to go by I'll be answering a lot fewer questions than I do now. But that's not a bad thing.
@NullUserException I currently do both. I answer questions and flag/edit posts throughout the day. I don't expect my behavior to change.
@GraceNote All of them, why not?
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@GraceNote Every single day, on Indian timings, where we are very short of moderation.
@GraceNote Probably Mon-Fri 9-5 (while I'm at work)
@GraceNote I see myself active during the 9-5 EST weekday and whenever else I can be in front of a computer.
@GraceNote I think to be active in late evening Italian time (GMT+1, for now).
JNK
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@NullUserException I think my ability to contribute as a mod far outweighs my ability to contribute knowledge in my main area of SQL. There are a lot smarter people than me answering questions, but they don't all have the stomach or patience for moderation. I know I already have those and I enjoy it.
What was your initial reaction to the "Summer of Love?" How do you think it went?"
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@NullUserException I'm already answering a lot less than I used to, concentrating on moderation (it helps to be mostly expert in Python where most questions have good answers 10 seconds after they're posted.)
@GraceNote Monday - Saturday, and from 10 AM EST - 10 PM EST.
@GraceNote Every day, for sure. One of the first things I do when I wake up is check SO. One of the last things I do before going to bed is check SO!
@NullUserException my "normal" participation has shifted away from answering the questions that tend to attract many answers quickly towards unanswered harder, older questions. I see that trend continuing.
@NullUserException I will likely not answer more than I do today, which is already very little. Most questions coming up nowadays are dupes anyway.
@Lamak Partly because I'm already trusted on three other sites. I know what moderation is all about and it won't come as a shock to me (hopefully).
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@GraceNote I am typically online anywhere from 2am Arizona time until 7pm, so pretty much all day.
As I said in my nomination - my focus is more towards community building now anyway, so wouldn't bother for a moment - in terms of time - I'm normally here about 10 hours a day anyway
@NullUserException I'm already not much of an answerer, as I stated in my nomination blurb, so no big loss there. I really only ask when I've exhausted all other research options, and I don't expect that to change; that's coming out of a different "pool" of time than moderation time would be.
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@Lamak I haven't banned you on DBA yet! But seriously, we don't need anything revolutionary on SO, we need consistent forward movement and maintenance. I know I can provide that.
@Lamak You should look at the facts before voting. Raising a bunch of flags is nice, but anyone with 10k and enough dedication can do that. I actively review, edit, close, delete and vote, in order to moderate the site. I don't leave jobs for moderators if I can do it myself.
@swasheck It went fine, as far as I can see.
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@NullUserException As stated in my nomination post, I don't tend to participate much in the normal sense anyways. I do browse questions occasionally looking for things to answer, but I'm much more content with helping out.
@swasheck I liked it at the start, it was a great idea! but I do not think it was executed fully
@Lamak I have already demonstrated my dedication to keeping the site clean with over 1400 helpful flags, and similar amount of reviews in other review queues, along with lots of edits and closing.
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@GraceNote 8-5pm eastern M-F, off and on on the weekends
If you are elected, a diamond will be attached to everything you do and everything you've ever done. How do you anticipate dealing with that? Will it affect the way you're making decisions, and if so how?
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@swasheck Great idea, not fully executed.
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@swasheck I thought it was a good idea unevenly executed.
@GraceNote 9-5 UTC (give or take 1/2 an hour) though not continually(!) and again 10-12 UTC approx
@Lamak I think I have already proven my commitment to the site through my editing, flagging of answers. I know I would be a good mod on SO.
@Lamak I'm lead administrator on the sites I've made, and my job there is pretty much the same as a diamond-mod here: to perform certain administrative tasks and handle anything regular users with mod priviledges can't. My sites are now four years old and doing well, so I like to think I do a good job. Of course, I'm just some guy on the internet to you, so it's really your call.
@GraceNote Every day from 6:00-8:00, 11:25-12:18, 15:30-19:00 with the occasional important thing overriding from 6:00-23:00.
@AnnaLear no my intent wouldn't change
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@Lamak Because I'm awesome! No, but seriously, because I am very diligent in my work and take myself seriously and because I am nice to new users.
@AnnaLear I am already a moderator, and I am used to that. It doesn't change the comments I leave (if not in the case I leave them for moderating posts); it doesn't change the answer I give.
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@AnnaLear Nope, this won't change how I operate. I may have to edit some of my comments and such from 3 years back but otherwise I'll operate the same.
@AnnaLear No, I don't think so. It makes little difference, as it's just a visual thing. My mindset has always been that of one who is interested in the long-term. I wouldn't ruin my reputation as a person due to a little icon.
@AnnaLear As mentioned in my last answer, everything I do on the sites I own is labelled with an @ sign and a purple name. I'm used to the effect of being highlighted wherever I go ;)
@GraceNote Except on weekends, where my availability is literally 6:00-21:00.
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@GraceNote My schedule changes quite randomly. I can say, though, that I am rarely ever awake between 4am and 8am. ;)
@swasheck I thought the summer of love was a great idea. I think that it worked for a time but people have gone back to some snarky behavior.
@AnnaLear I don't think I'll change.
@Lamak My only answer to that is the usual claims that everyone makes; I'm fair, I'm patient, I can deal with random Internet people yelling at me, I know how the site works. I encourage you to look at my activity history -- and the other candidates' -- to see if you agree with my -- and their -- past actions.
@AnnaLear That my goal! It will affect the way I make decisions only in the aspect that my vote is binding. I won't close questions (Even if I know they are technically unanswerable) unless 4 votes have already accumulated. (Obviously, for questions that needs to be closed, I won't hesitate).
@Lamak In all the time I've been a user I don't think I've done anything that would cause you not to trust me. My history is clean. The only contact I've had with team@ was initiated by me because the character limit on the flag box was too short for a specific problem.
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@swasheck I was a bit surprised as I didn't initially see the problem. When it was pointed out I could see that there was certainly the impression of prickliness (shall we say). I think it was a good reminder that one of the main rules on Stack Overflow is "be nice".
@AnnaLear I think I will look at flags in a different light and weigh my decisions based on what I learned in the past. But all in all I do not think things will change that much.
@AnnaLear just because I had a "binding vote" wouldn't change my attitude as to bad posts and those salvageable via an edit
@AnnaLear This will not change how I operate.
@Neal I'm interested in that. How, specifically will you look at them 'differently'?
Which do you view as more important for a candidate, raising flags, meta participation, or close/delete activity? And why?
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@swasheck The summer of Love was a great campaign, but its worn off a lot of the users now.
@AnnaLear It will affect the way I make decisions in regards to closing — I'd be less strict on that. Apart from that, not at all.
@AnnaLear As long as others don't get intimidated by me, my attitude will stay the same. I'm usually very helpful and I will continue to be. I don't yell, I explain myself :)
@Lamak you should trust if you share my/our vision of a searchable quality resort of Q&As on the web
@RichardJ.RossIII well by close/delete votes are much more binding as a moderator and I have to take that into consideration
@GraceNote Typically ~1hr in the morning, 1 in the evening on weekdays. Similar total time on weekends.
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@swasheck To clarify a little bit, I think it is good to encourage being nicer to new users. However on SO a lack of new users is not an issue - it's cleaning up the trash an keeping signal to noise ratio high.
@AnnaLear It will make me slightly more hesitant to cast close and delete votes, simply because they are binding. However, if stuff needs closing or deleting I will cast a vote even if I'm the only one. As I said earlier there's stuff that needs handling more quickly that the community can manage.
@GraceNote all days of the week, of course :)
@MadaraUchiha Meta. Raising flags means absolutely nothing other than they can patrol the review queues or /tools/flags, and close & delete means nothing towards how they can improve questions. Edits & meta are the most important things.
@GraceNote A little bit during business hours and a bit more during evenings and weekends for eastern-central US time. I don't intend to set aside an "SO moderation hour" or anything; I'll pop in frequently for short periods of time between other activities.
@AnnaLear If I had to predict, I'd say yes. I've always tried to view things from a moderator's perspective, but you can never quite get the correct mindset until it actually happens.
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@MadaraUchiha Close/Delete; most of the flagging reasons are for stuff a 10K user can do without flagging, and while reading meta is very important, I don't see that being quick to pounce on questions with answers is all that important a criteria.
@MadaraUchiha flags and close/delete because even if a user is not on meta, it does not mean they do not know how the system works.
@MadaraUchiha Close/delete activity. This shows that we know what belongs here and what doesn't. Flags usually represent very bad posts, which I hope to not see too often (but they do happen).
I'm going to say - good intent and time - so none of the above
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@AnnaLear When submitting a custom flag, it's not a good idea to make the "complaint" public (>10K) - someone needs to be there to review these cases. Also when a message needs to be sent to a user; perhaps a warning or suspension notice. Here again, it has to be coming from one source - I imagine that suspension notices wouldn't be very clear/consistent/constructive if they were community wikis :)
@MadaraUchiha All of the above. A moderator shouldn't specialise in just one aspect of the site, lest other parts be left abandoned. A good mod should be well-rounded.
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@MadaraUchiha I would say raising flags, and meta participation; between them, meta participation is more important, IMO.
@MadaraUchiha Quality edits and meta participation. Casting close votes and raising flags is done by literally thousands of other users. The candidates should focus on working on things which fewer people are working on.
How would you encourage notable experts who frequent the site but are frustrated by what appears to be laziness by other high-rep users?
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@swasheck I was born only in 1976 so I didnt participate in the Summer of Love ;)
@swasheck Can you expand on that?
@AnnaLear To clarify my behavior won't change because I already an invested in improving the quality of the site. I go through old posts for editing or flagging, I would continue this same process as a mod just with fewer steps.
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@MadaraUchiha I don't think any are particularly indicative of future performance as a mod. Close/deletes are probably closest to what you actually do as a moderator. Raising flags for most scenarios becomes redundant when you can cast votes.
@swasheck I'm not sure how you can. If someone is discouraged by the lack of quality on questions or answers, then they should attempt to make a difference themselves.
@Lamak History. If you haven't noticed anything particularly trustworthy in passing, I suppose it would just be a matter of looking back at what's available. Previous actions are probably the most important thing I could do to sway anyone, personally.
@MadaraUchiha All three, though these activities should be secondary to answering questions, editing posts and generally guiding users to the best way to use Stack Overflow.
@swasheck My initial reaction was that it was an odd choice of branding. I think it raised an important point, I think to some extent the message got lost and lots of people seemed to try and use it as an argument not to close/downvote anything ever. Improving the user experience doesn't mean letting any low quality post go.
@swasheck Show them good questions, where even low-rep users give good answers to good questions. High-rep doesn't mean you're awesome. You can be awesome and still be low-rep. Or show them that I am high-rep and not lazy :P
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@swasheck I thought it was a nice idea, although for the most part it seemed like so many good ideas around here: the people who it was aimed at didn't know about it (or didn't care) and the ones who did know about it didn't really need to be told.
@swasheck That's down to the community - let them decide - as a mod, we're only corner case exception handlers
For the other candidates: What drives you to want to be a moderator for Stack Overflow?
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@swasheck Encouragement. We have some of this on the DBA site, where a lot of big names in the SQL world participate. There are also a lot of strong personalities (they are DBAs after all) and they require some management. Mainly if you let the frustrated user know either verbally or through action that their contributions are appreciated, they stay happy. Most folks like that are motivated by helping and may need some positive feedback from time to time.
@swasheck I'd probably scour the First Posts section of the Review tools. There can be some real gems there from low-rep users, which I believe can make up for the blunders of high-rep ones.
@MadaraUchiha I can't say that any one is more important than the other. While flagging and close/delete history reflect on your views more personally, meta participation also plays a key role in analyzing situations and explaining why things occurred (since we all know replying to flags is a bit difficult).
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@AnnaLear I will likely be more cautious with decisions. Right now, I am quite stern and dedicated when it comes to pruning dupes and low quality stuff.
@swasheck There's really not much you can do for these users. At best, we can try to show them other high rep users who are not lazy.
@swasheck Depends what the laziness in question is! Laziness that bothers people tends to make for bad questions; I might edit them, close them, leave a note if they don't get the hint... it really depends on a lot of things.
@Neal essentially it's a weight-pulling question. if an expert sees another high-rep user not "pulling their weight." how do you encourage the disenchanted expert?
@swasheck We, as moderators cannot affect single people. We need to inspire the community to raise the quality level, that's done by serving an example, answering questions yourself, and being active in chat, where experts lie.
@swasheck I think most experts have already formed an opinion about Stack Overflow. The ones that like it (Eric Lippert, Jon Skeet etc.) are already participating fully. The ones that don't probably won't come back despite your best efforts to persuade them.
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@MadaraUchiha I look at all three activities but I think that contributing to the community by answering questions is very important.
@Neal I have learnt a lot from this community. While I may not have too many questions, I have found a lot of solutions by reading questions posted by other users. I want to give back to and help maintain this community.
@Neal It drives me the willingness of doing something useful.
@swasheck I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to demand that an unpaid question answerer do more work just because you are.
@Neal Cleaning! More! Faster! (If you mean the reason behind that, I have no clue.)
@swasheck Hmmmm I would show them that "rep" does not really mean much, and that a low rep user can still answer questions and get great results!
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@AnnaLear For the most part I'm totally happy with that. I think it will make me less likely to act on border line cases I see through general browsing rather than from the flag queue - gauging the feeling of the rest of the community by being 1 vote out of many won't be an option any more.
@Neal I want to be a moderator to have all three chat mod powers (j/k). I want to be a mod, because I can make a real difference there. More than I can without the diamond.
@Neal That's an interesting one, Neal. I'd say that the critical reason is a striving for excellence on this site - both in my answers and others. I have made many edits to posts over the time that I have been here, and in fact most of them I come across while searching. I don't feel like it's simply enough to find the problems and flag them - I want to be able to handle these spammy situations on my own.
@AnnaLear I'm happy to have a diamond attached to any of my past actions. It's a cliche, but I like to think I hold myself to a high standard whether I'm an official authority figure or not. Going forward, I might be a bit less likely to take actions that the community could do on its own, just because a binding vote is inherently different than a "regular" one.
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@Neal I'm already a mod on another site and I find it very satisfying work. It is work, though, so you have to really want to do it. And if you enjoy it, SO is the big leagues.
@MadaraUchiha I consider all duties that the regulars cannot moderate as most important. So, flag handling first and then closing/deleting.
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(Wow, these Town Halls move a lot faster when you're a participant than when you're just an observer.)
@Neal I hate seeing mis-spelled words in posts >.< But, seriously, I just want to give back to people who help me out. Also, I sometimes see rudeness, and I want to keep this place happy. Help new users understand what to do and not yell at them for doing it wrong.
@Gordon Not flag handling, raising flags.
When do you feel that closed questions should and should not be deleted?
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Of the other candidates, who is the one user you think would be most qualified for the position of moderator, and why?
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@Neal I just want to help out, and I believe mod powers can help me do a better job of that. StackOverflow is my number one resource for information, just from reading other people's questions and answers, so I want it to stay as high-quality as possible.
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@GraceNote In the big picture to spread the ideology of the site... The most obvious way to do this is lead by example. I think beyond the actions of a moderator, the most important thing is to be able to communicate the ramifications and rational behind their actions.
For @JNK (and other mods candidates who are mods on other sites): How do you feel being a mod on another site would affect your moderation on Stack Overflow?
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@Neal I'm seeing a lot of activity on other sites (particularly Programmers) from users who have troubles on Stack Overflow. If I can see more information on both sites I can help them make the most of both sites rather than being simply blocked from all sides.
@BradLarson Are they useful closed, even in the slightest? If yes, keep.
@MadaraUchiha I think they're all important. I don't think coming in "cold" in any of those aspects would be a good thing. If I had to single one out I'd go with meta participation since it reflects activity from the other categories as well as the broader community.
@swasheck talk to them. give them a hug.
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@BradLarson They should be deleted when they are very bad examples of questions to ask.
@Neal Primarily the ability to do more for the site, as well as the idea of trust from the community to act on behalf of them.
@BradLarson You mean closed, and still kept? I think only really bad posts, like "can I have teh code plz" should be closed.
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@BradLarson If the question has any potential redemption value, I'd leave it for a while at least. If it's obviously a throw-away question there's no need to keep it. But you do need to give the OP a chance to clean it up.
@BradLarson When a question is useful and/or it has value to the community --> many views and upvotes etc.
@swasheck This can be difficult on a site as big as SO but you cannot solely rely on experts to make the site what it is. There are many people with low-reps that provide fantastic answers to questions. They can't be ignored either.
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@BradLarson Well, brad, questions should be left open if they have a significant number of answers that could potentially be useful to future visitors - regardless of whether the question is on-topic, constructive, or whatever. Questions should only be deleted if they are too localized & have no answers, or are spam.
@GraceNote Andrew Barber - because he gets what Stack Overflow is about and seems to know what's required to keep the signal to noise ratio under control.
@BradLarson Blatantly offtopic/spam/super low quality should be deleted. Slightly to properly useful questions should be kept
If a closed question is of absolutely of no use - delete it - otherwise, I consider it for re-opening
@BradLarson Easy, a closed question should not be deleted if it has any value. Is it salvageable using edits? Is the OP likely to expand on it? Does it have good answers? No need to delete it then. Also, I tend to avoid deleting a post in the first 24 hours (unless, of course, it is spam).
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@GraceNote Probably @ChrisF I have talked to him at length in the moderator chat room and he is very even-headed and no-nonsense about his job as a mod.
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@JonClements The real question here is where do you draw that line, I believe.
@MadaraUchiha Certainly all three are important, but I'd say raising flags is the most important of the three. That's because mods are the ones who end up handling the flags, so they need to have really deep understanding of not only how the mechanics of flagging work but also what sort of things are flaggable and the philosophy behind the system. Meta, closing and deleting are a bit more open to the community.
@BradLarson Duplicate questions should be kept, especially now that they are specifically labelled as dupes rather then just "closed". By having multiple questions with different titles but the same purpose, they can help future users search for what they need. On the other hand, questions that are not constructive would probably be the biggest candidates for deletion, but only if they don't seem salvageable with a suitable edit.
@GraceNote Definitely Andrew Barber, even though I think he will push his radical haircut policies on all of us. He has an outstanding record of being useful with both flagging and on Meta, and he would be invaluable to the moderation team.
@Neal A lot of people encouraged me to nominate myself because of my work in the PHP tag. That is one of the major drivers for me. They believe in me.
@BradLarson I'm probably rare in being in favor of deleting (or, possibly, merging) most of the duplicates, because they make Google searches frustrating; I shouldn't need to follow a chain of duplicate posts to find a good answer.
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@GraceNote @AndrewBarber --> heck of a lot of flags! Imagine what he can do with mod powers!
@GraceNote I think that would be ChrisF. I read many of his answers on MSO, and he shows to know well what the moderator's task is.
As a regular user, you cast votes to close and delete posts. But these votes only take effect when more users agree with you. How will binding close/delete votes affect your decision making?
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@GraceNote Andrew Barber. He's been a great example and done a lot of work to keep the site clean.
@Neal Well I'll be able to "hit the ground running" as I'm familiar with the tools. I'm around most of the day anyway so having one more site to look after (with the other moderators of course) won't be an problem (hopefully).
@Neal Flags !== to being a good mod. Yes, they are important, but I could easily get 1000 flags in a month by patrolling the /tools/flagged page.
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@Neal I think it would only strengthen both of my sites. I think being a moderator on both a low-profile and a high-profile site has some very interesting advantages, you get the best of both worlds, you learn to be strict on Stack Overflow, while you learn to be patient and gracious on Anime and Manga.
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@Neal The effort required for moderating other sites pales in comparison to the demands on SO. I have some tangential understanding from current SO mods about what is needed. There are very few flags on my site and we have several other very active mods, so I could focus more on SO without hurting DBA.
@Neal I want to be able to contribute to the site in a different way. I would be able to benefit the site but not having the restrictions of oops you hit your flagging limit for the day. Without these in place, I think I could perform more cleanup.
@RichardJ.RossIII That is possible.
@NullUserException Not at all. I don't vote to close or delete unless I'm sure.
@NullUserException I will comment first and explain why the post is bad, so the user can fix it before I cast my "uber-vote".
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@GraceNote I'm in favour of @minitech. We talk on Skype and frequently run into each other on the site as we patrol. Our names seem to show up often side-by-side on the "Closed by..." messages.
@Neal It will not affect how I moderate Stack Overflow, since Drupal Answers doesn't require 30 minutes of moderating, if not in very exceptional cases (such as spammers).
Sooner or later, you'll do something as part of your normal moderator duties that offends someone, and he'll jump on MSO cursing your name and demanding vengeance. How will you respond to this?
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@NullUserException None at all. If I think it needs to be closed then I feel as strongly about it as a mod as I do as a regular user. I don't vote on things unless I am sure either as a mod or a voter.
Mods are basically garbage collectors
@GraceNote I'd have to say @Gordon, although Andrew Barber is also high on my list.
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@NullUserException As I said earlier, I'd be less strict with close votes (this isn't because I'm less sure of them, but rather because moderator closing feels horribleish sometimes), but everything else would be the same.
@NullUserException No difference. I don't cast my vote unless I am sure that there is no other option. In other cases, I prefer to leave a comment first and try to salvage the post.
@swasheck that's a tough one and in a way it's a broader problem than the moderator role - there are SE employees who are paid to promote and encourage and evangelise the sites and I hope it's something the community as a whole is addressing too. Being approachable and fair counts a lot in that respect though - everyone from new users to experts notices moderators.
@BradLarson I think that questions should be closed and deleted if it was closed with no answers to it. If the question is closed but has a great answer, then it shouldn't be deleted.
@Shog9 I would try to let the other moderators handle it at the start and then, when I can, write a well thought out response that will try not to slight the user.
@Shog9 I've had an example of such a case but it got deleted. Answer constructively, don't feed the trolls. Provide evidence of you being right, and apologize if you were wrong.
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@Shog9 I will post an answer to his question and explain the reasons for which I took whatever action offended him. If it is found that I was wrong, I will reverse the action, apologise and learn from my mistake.
@NullUserException I don't think a mod should cast the first vote, unless it's a really obvious case. I believe it'd be better for a mod to respond to existing votes to make a binding decision rather than jump the gun.
@BradLarson Duplicates shouldn't be deleted. They're useful to get hits from alternate search terms. Otherwise if the question is completely unsalvageable then it should probably be deleted sooner rather than later. However, there should be ample opportunity for it to be improved and reopened if it can.
@Shog9 Tell him he's a liar! No, not really. I would be calm, and try to explain the situation from an impartial point of view. The most important thing here is to not loose your 'cool'. And not try to silence a user, but let them vent towards me, while not hurting the site.
@BradLarson that's a tough one. In general, I am in favor of deleting what was closed. But I decide on a case by case basis. We have some Q&A that are closed but provide very nice answers with good information. These should be kept. By like I said: case by case.
@Shog9 I'll attempt to address their concerns rationally, keeping in mind that most people doing that just want to vent and aren't going to be persuaded by rationality.
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I spend my life living with someone that believe's she's always wronged because the hours I work etc.. etc... I think I can live with some criticism
@GraceNote Definitely Andrew Barber, I think he has the skills needed for the job
@Shog9 I'll explain myself, casually, and try to keep my cool. If he can give me a valid reason why he's right and I'm not, then we'll talk. If he's just angry, I may just ignore it and let the community tell him what's up.
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@Shog9 Get someone on the SE dev team to attribute the posts to casperOne so nobody is surprised :) Honestly, I have no problem defending my actions to a user. If I WAS wrong, I also have no problem admitting that. We aren't doing open heart surgery hear, this is programming questions on the innertubes. Nothing is life-and-death and excited users may need to be reminded of that once in a while.
@swasheck I haven't given that any thought, actually. In my opinion, attracting and retaining good users is a tertiary mod responsibility at best. For now, I would say that I wouldn't do anything different than I would as a non-mod, i.e. leave a comment thanking them for how much they've helped me (if they have) or doing nothing if I don't know them.
@Shog9 I would laugh my backside off. Heck, I already have one blog dedicated to my assorted "screwups" (entirely hearsay, the creator doesn't even use my site), and it is a perpetual source of entertainment.
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What would you do when a question is flagged for closing, but you aren't an expert on that topic (i.e. tag)?
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@JonClements The point isn't dealing with the criticism here - it's about dealing with the accusation more than anything, IMO.
@JonClements use the reply feature or else we do not know what you are responding to :-)
@NullUserException It will not affect my decision, except that as moderator I vote to close those questions that are blatantly off-topic, not a real question, not constructive, or too localized. In any case, I will not vote to close those questions that I don't think deserve to be closed. The fact other users already voted doesn't influence my decision.
@Neal I like the site. I learn a lot from reading and participating in the site. I really like the Q&A model - it works in a way that changed programming problems online for me. I hope I can help further that vision by keeping a small patch orderly.
@NullUserException None at all. If it needs to be closed then it should be closed.
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@Shog9 I'd first see if it was anything I could fix myself straight away, if not then I'd leave it for another moderator to review my actions and decide what they thought was the right action. Second guessing yourself will lead you to make more bad decisions down the line.
@GraceNote Kolink because he seems like a cool guy, and I see his answers when I go post an answer and he's usually right :)
@GraceNote @animuson. My most important criterion is number of edits, and his really show that he's dedicated to improving it all :)
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@MadaraUchiha It depends on what the flag was for. If it's a dupe it's a dupe it's a dupe whether you know the subject matter or not. Same for off-topic. NARQ may be hard to judge though. It's impossible to make an honest general assessment on something so broad.
@MadaraUchiha I would try to let the moderators who know that tag deal with the closing unless it is a really obvious reason for closure (as in duplicate or not a question)
@MadaraUchiha It depends on what it's closed for. If it's off-topic or NARQ, generally I can determine if it's valid or not. If it's "not constructive" or "too localized", then I won't do anything at all.
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@Shog9 I will let other moderators answer.
@MadaraUchiha The vast majority of close votes stand on their own and don't require intimate knowledge of the subject matter. If I honestly have no idea if something's a real question because it's over my head, I'd leave it for someone else to deal with
@Shog9 Letting other users and moderators deal with the situation is usually a better way to put out any flames than directly confronting the user. I would generally keep track of the topic and post specific responses in order to clear things up that users are confused about, but try and avoid interacting too much.
@MadaraUchiha I've been programming for several years now. Deep subject knowledge is rarely required to judge whether or not a question can be answered within the scope of StackOverflow. If I am unsure on that question, I will take it to mod chat and ask for a second opinion.
@MadaraUchiha I've often found that I don't need to know anything about the tag to recognise a bad question. Usually it's the quality of the content that tells the story, not the material contained, if that makes sense. I suck at explaining! But in edge cases, I've found myself hitting the Skip button on occasion. If I were a mod, however, I would bring it up with another mod who might know more.
What is the most useful thing (personally, professionally, technically, or otherwise) you've learned from your time on StackOverflow?
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@RaghavSood That's a great stance to have - but what if someone brings up something completely contrary to everything you know, and you honestly can't understand the content of the post? What is your action in taht situation?
@GraceNote I havent seen much of the other moderators work, but from their nomination texts and stats I'd say Andrew Barber. He seems really dedicated and doing even more moderation than me already. My favorite is not on the list on the though (that would be Pekka)
@MadaraUchiha It depends what kind of close reason, but I usually leave duplicates out of my area well enough alone.
@Neal As I said in my nomination blurb, I don't actively want to be an SO mod, at least by the conventional definition of "want." However, I love the SO community, I think SO has a great system, I know mods are important for keeping everything running smoothly and I believe I can do the job well.
How relevant do you think the age factor for moderators are? We have some pretty young candidates this year. Do you think it'll affect their moderation?
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@swasheck Patience.
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@MadaraUchiha step back - if it's a topic I'm "good in", then I'd normally cast a vote or submit an edit, otherwise... the community around us has to be more informed and respect their opinion
@swasheck Never, ever, try to parse HTML with regular expressions.
@RichardJ.RossIII Take it for a second opinion. You shouldn't act without being sure.
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@swasheck SQL Server programming anti-patterns. I learned a lot about what NOT to do early on which helped a lot.
@MadaraUchiha It would largely depend what close votes it had, but most of the time you don't have to be a topic expert to recognise a bad question. If I'm really not sure - just leave it for someone else to deal with. There are other moderators who might well be tag experts and eventually enough tag experts among the community will see the question and vote if necessary.
@Shog9 I would explain the reason for any action that I took while keeping my cool. I can fully acknowledge when I have made a mistake and have no issue admitting my faults.
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@Shog9 Close it, assuming that rantiness implies unconstructiveness~!
@MadaraUchiha "with age comes knowledge" is the old saying... I do not think it applies in this context.
@MadaraUchiha Depends. Does the tag have anything to do with the flag? If so, ask on meta for what to do with it (or can I message other mods to ask for help?)
@swasheck The ability to learn from others' mistakes.
@swasheck Unicorns are better than ponies. But seriously, I feel that I've learned that it's important to keep a professionalism on any interaction where you use your real name.
@MadaraUchiha Not being expert in a tag doesn't mean not to know when a question should be closed. Moderating doesn't require expertise, and flags that require expertise should be declined. (That is, generally speaking.)
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@swasheck People will help you simply because they want to. They expect pretty much nothing in return, and help you simply because they can.
@MadaraUchiha I'm sure there are mature teenagers. I can't say that when I was a teen I knew anyone I'd trust as a moderator. I know what I was like in my teens and early 20s and I wouldn't trust that version of myself.
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@MadaraUchiha I think experience in life is helpful in making thoughtful decisions, generally speaking. I don't think that precludes any of the younger candidates from being qualified, but there's a reason we don't let kids drive or vote - decision making is biologically impaired until a certain age.
@swasheck I've expanded my knowledge on Stack Overflow on that just under year and a half, more than I have for 10 years. Not only technical knowledge, but virtues like patience, strictness and avoiding troll feeding.
@MadaraUchiha Not at all! (Averages are meaningless.)
@MadaraUchiha Age has nothing to do with how good a moderator you are. Some of the better ones are still teenagers. However on a personal note I'd say that if you think age is a factor, vote for me :)
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@BradLarson Closure is only temporary. So is deletion but it makes things much harder for users to find and fix. I dislike quick 20k deletion of bad questions before the OP even has a chance to see why it was closed. Nobody wins from that because the OP goes away wondering if it ever got posted at all (was it just lost by a bug?) and often just reposts the same bad question again. Closure is a good stepping stone that sends a clear message ("this isn't fit for purpose, fix it or lose it").
I don't think I'm exactly qualified to answer that (as I'm 16), but I'll try:

The real reason that people are concerned is about maturity, right? Personally, I think that maturity is shown by your experience on the site, and the quality of the posts/flags you make.
@GraceNote Andrew Barber. As I said in response to an earlier question, I think flagging is huge for a mod, and he's got the best flag history of any candidate, hands-down. In fact, I'll repeat here the promise I made under his nomination blurb: even though I decided to run, my first vote is going to him.
@swasheck I've learned that if I am really stuck and I can write a good question, I can get some help! Also that JavaScript is silly.
How embarrassed are you that, for all the time you've spent supposedly helping to keep the site clean, you've still cast waaaaay fewer close votes than Wooble?
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@Shog9 Binding close votes... no doubt. (bangs his gavel)
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@NullUserException Unless it's a clear candidate for closing, I will wait until there is four votes before throwing in my vote.
@Shog9 How many has he cast?
@MadaraUchiha It surely affect the way they moderate, but that doesn't necessarily mean in a bad way. Probably they have a different point of view that allows them to see things differently.
@MadaraUchiha Age is just a number. There are plenty of young people out there that are plenty mature to handle a responsibility such as this. Focus on whether they are a good candidate should entirely be placed on their activity and how they've been interacting with the site.
@swasheck 1. How to get my ideas across in written answers. 2. It's improved my search skills.
@MadaraUchiha I don't think the user's age is that much of a big deal, but I do believe that an account's age (ie. how long ago they joined and how active they have been in that time) does matter. After all, a 50-year-old who just got enough to nominate themselves wouldn't be as much use as a 17-year-old with 5 years on SO.
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@MadaraUchiha I'm one of the young candidates here. I believe my age will not be a problem. In 7 years of working with code and people related to it, my age has never been a problem.
@swasheck How to deal with other people's code. (Hell?)
@BradLarson (cont.) I have no qualms with a question being closed quickly after it was asked though - the OP had all the time in the world up until they hit the post button to get it into a good state.
@Shog9 Very. runs and hides in the closet No, but seriously, I did my best to help. If someone did better, good for them, but I still helped :)
@Shog9 Not embarrassed at all. rarely do I vote to close when I can edit something instead. It's not an important statistic to have IMO, as it just shows that you aren't willing to edit valid posts.
@Wooble That was one of the first things I "learned" when I joined SO. Then, I learned that you should never speak in absolutes. No, the irony of that statement is not lost on me.
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@Shog9 That's like asking "How embarrassed are you that, for all the time you've spent supposedly helping answer questions on the site, youe still have waaaaaaay less reputation than Jon Skeet". I don't mind other people's business (until they hurt someone). Wooble's awesome, I can be awesome as well.
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@Shog9 Not embarrassed but good for him! Everyone can do more than they currently do for the site.
@MadaraUchiha A mod is not limited to working in the tags they are comfortable in so you would have to make a decision based on what the flag or closing reason is.
@Shog9 Not in the slightest. Each person helps moderate the site in their own way, plus I don't spend all day on the site (despite appearances otherwise).
@Shog9 I cannot keep casting closing votes; I much prefer to cast less close-votes, and let more users partecipate in that.
@Shog9 Nothing to be embarrassed about. Everyone does their own work on the site. some answer, some edit, some ask, some flag, some close.
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@Shog9 Try to talk to the person and settle things. Only reasonable thing to do. If s/he cannot be reasoned with, defer him to someone else.
you get a personal mention @Wooble - not sure if it's good or bad though :)
@Shog9 I don't care! I edit more ;)
*In matters of moderation, what do you believe would be your "go-to" tool?
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@Shog9 I can't say that it's embarrassing at all. It's just a number, and I know that I will cast many a close vote more in my time here. We probably just interact with the community in vastly different ways.
@Shog9 If closing votes were my pride and joy, I guess I'd be a little embarrassed, but not really. It's just a number.
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@swasheck /questions.
@swasheck I don't understand the question.
@swasheck FALCON PUNCH! No, not really. I think that 'edit' is probably the most important one.
@GraceNote Andrew Barber and animuson. I've seen them around a lot and always felt like their actions were correct.
@JonClements As long as the huge number of unicorns I've massacred in NetHack doesn't become an issue...
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@MadaraUchiha defer the decision. ask someone.
@swasheck Depends on the matter at hand. Not all matters can be handled with a single tool.
@swasheck I am not sure what you mean.... Flags, editing, commenting, making balloon animals?
@swasheck SQL Server programming. I started coming to SO as an MS Access developer and I have learned so much from reading and answering it is truly amazing.
@swasheck My keyboard, OF DOOM! That and the "add comment" link. Explaining to people how to fix their post before I close it.
@swasheck /tools, hands down.
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I don't have any specific tool, just pen and paper and some common sense
@bluefeet What does this have to do with being a moderator?
@NullUserException I will be a bit more restrained. Even well-meaning binding votes can come off as "I'm the big powerful mod screwing over the little guy," especially to new users. But I'll still go through the same process of deciding whether something is close- or delete-worthy.
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@swasheck The flag queue and my disarming personality.
@NullUserException I'm not sure if I've already answered this - but if stuff needs closing/deleting it needs closing/deleting. My actions can always be reversed.
How important is it that a candidate has unlocked all privileges, e.g. 20k?
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(I realize that I have missed a few questions. I will go back and get them after the main chat is over.)
@swasheck I'm not sure if there is any "go-to" tool.
@Neal Yes?
@swasheck Definitely the edit. It has a lot of power, for good or bad.
@Gordon 10K is important, 20K not really.
not at all
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hm. nobody said chat.
@swasheck I use all the tools moderators have; I don't have a preferred one.
@RichardJ.RossIII I was answering @swasheck's previous question
@Gordon Sort of! Delete-voting and seeing what's been deleted is relevant, so more 10k.
@Gordon I feel a candidate should have at least got to 10k, though as @AnnaLear has shown us, it is not a hard and fast requirement to be a high rep user to be a good moderator.
@Gordon Quite important to me. If they don't have the 20k on at least one site, then it shows me that they don't have the experience that I would like in a candidate.
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@Gordon Not very, as long as they know how to handle the tools and can learn. None of this stuff is rocket science, but it takes good judgement. It's not hard to use a hack saw, but it's easy to screw something up seriously if you use it in the wrong spot.
@RaghavSood Flattery. Good move. ;)
@Gordon Well ever since I have passed the 10K mark I have learned that Stack Overflow is not as clean as I once thought it was. It taks a lot of scrubbing to get it how it is now, and with 4 new moderators hopefully it will only get better :-D
@Gordon 10K is more important than 20K. I honestly have a hard time seeing someone without the delete priv going on moderatorship. And yes, I know @AnnaLear didn't have it. Still, I've learned much since my 10k.
@Gordon Fully agree with @Wooble. A good amount of Rep is ideal, but there's more besides that - otherwise they wouldn't be listed on the nominations!
@MadaraUchiha Depends. If it's flagged for closing because the user posted "I need a program to do X in [unfamiliar language] in two hours," I'm fine taking it out. If it's flagged for closing because of some language-specific reason, I'll defer to the community or a mod who does know the language/technology in question.
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@Gordon It's not important. What's more important is their temperament etc.
@AnnaLear Shh. Don't reveal my tricks to everyone ;)
@Gordon They should be familiar with the tools we use before being handed them by the community.
Aaaaaand my star allowance is maxed.
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@NullUserException I'm sure my "normal" participation will decrease a little bit but I doubt moderating would prevent it altogether.
@MadaraUchiha I think there are plenty of teenagers who have proven that they could be good moderators. So I don't think age plays a factor.
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@NullUserException I expect that this would push me away from the borderline posts and away from the higher volume tags where the community tends to be much better at self-policing.
We're just a bit past the halfway mark, just as a note.
@Gordon it is not that relevant; apart that, there are users who are not 10K users on Stack Overflow, and 20K users on some other sites. Being 20K, or 10K is not so important, as most of the moderation tools are not that hard to use.
What happens when you kill the joe?
@GraceNote: Wow, time flew! :O
It's been 30 minutes already? Wow time flys.
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If there is a high-reputation subject matter expert who has a history of leaving rude and abusive comments, how do you deal with them when they are flagged for this?
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@Gordon I believe 10k is an important mark to hit so that the user can be more familiar with the deletion process. Past that I don't see the other privileges as being too vitally important for a user to have achieved.
@swasheck He dies?
No, you die
@MadaraUchiha The only reason people talk about age is that it's an approximation for maturity. But we have a better metric than that: we can actually look through individual candidates' post, revision and comment histories and see whether they're mature or not. So it's essentially pointless to consider age as a factor.
bury him under the patio? Hope the police don't find out later?
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@BradLarson Tell said expert to stop doing that, politely, and fix things up.
@BradLarson It shouldn't matter who you are. If you are rude, you will be dealt with. It'd be a shame to lose someone like John Skeet (if he were rude, which he isn't), but oh well :P
@BradLarson You handle it just like any other flag. If they are being rude and offensive, delete them, and let the 'expert' know that they are doing something wrong.
@BradLarson I would handle it in the same way I would do with other users. Being a high reputation user is not an excuse to be rude.
@swasheck Moderators are more reactive and proactive - especially on a larger site - so the tools you use will depend on the flags being raised etc. I certainly don't go looking for stuff to moderate so I don't have a need to have a tool to help me find stuff to do.
@BradLarson If it were a first offence, a simple warning would suffice (after deleting the comments in question, of course). But at the end of the day they could be Stephen friggin' Hawking for all it matters when it comes to being abusive ;)
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@BradLarson For a high reputation user? Contact him privately. Either superping him to chat, or even go as far as a mod message. When a high reputation user is "abusive", that's the message taught to the "younger" folks "Oh, this guy has 50k, what he's doing is right for sure!"
@swasheck joe dies.
@Shog9 I am not embarrassed by it. I spend time flagging, editing and answering questions as well. We all perform different tasks when we are on the site.
@BradLarson Hmmmm good question.... I would leave a comment responding to the user the reasoning for why his comments were deleted. And if it persists I would have a meeting of the mods to discuss it and maybe send him a mod message.
@BradLarson Their reputation is irrelevant. If they are abusing the system, or hurting other users on the community, they need to be treated as such. I will personally take any such problem user to a private chat, request them to stop. Repeat offenses == timed suspension.
Is there anything in becoming a moderator that makes you uneasy or nervous?
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@swasheck I think I missed the joke @_@
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@swasheck mod tools
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@BradLarson Private chat most likely, then a mod message. Let them know their contributions are appreciated but the less constructive stuff is not. Nobody is so important to the site that destructive behavior needs to be tolerated.
@swasheck 42 things.
@swasheck Make sure I use a plastic tub when taking care of the body breaking bad reference
@MadaraUchiha in general, I'd favor someone older over a teenager because of the general life experience they will have. But that doesn't mean that the younger candidates are ill-suited. If the have the dedication and the skill, let them have a diamond.
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@GraceNote Nope, not at all. I'm comfortable with all the tools and processes already.
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@GraceNote Yes, the distinct lack of unicorns in my name.
@GraceNote I hope people aren't intimidated by me when I ask or answer a question. :P
@BradLarson Politely letting them though which behaviors are undesirable for the site and asking them to stop, as with any other user. Reputation and status is not an excuse for rudeness.
@GraceNote There is nothing about being moderator that makes me nervous.
(checking mods' pop culture and sense of humor)
@GraceNote I'm feeling uneasy and nervous that I'm probably own't be elected this time round, but no. I'm looking forward for moderatorship.
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@GraceNote I can be a moderator if someone lift my ban for asking questions -_-
@Shog9 If I'm doing it right then there's a rational, calmly expressed justification for every action. My instinct would be to post that, but not get drawn into a mud bath. If there's a broader issue at stake then I'm all for drawing that out from the specific incident. If a reasoned response doesn't work I hope the other moderators would help deal with the situation.
@GraceNote As a moderator one would be much much more in the public eye and scrutinized for everything he or she does (oh wait... I think I am already in that category...)
@Shog9 Just a little. I once read a quotation about how everyone takes different paths in life, and just because two people are on different paths doesn't make either of them more good or bad, more right or wrong. Close votes are an important cleanup task on SO, but they're just one way to help out. So I say good for Wooble! But I'm not going to hang my head in shame over my relative lack of close votes, either.
@GraceNote I'm kind of nervous about offending people. It happens almost no matter what when you do moderatey things :/
@TimeToShine That's a joke, right?
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@GraceNote I've used the tools for a while now, so no.
@BradLarson In the first instance a "be nice" comment or a message in chat would be often enough. If that fails or the situation is larger than one or two comments a warning mod message. If that doesn't help or the user is being particularly rude then a day's suspension is probably called for. It all depends on how bad the situation is. There's no single approach that will work for all.
I just have one question: If elected, what is your stance on interweaving more Unicorns into the Chat/Mainsite UI?
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@Gordon I don't think it is very important. If they have access to the 10k tools they have a lot of privileges on the site.
I could do the same thing I'm doing with more privilege - so errr...
@GraceNote I'm usually confident in taking action, and in my experience if a leader can't show confidence then they're no leader.
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@JonClements please please please use the reply feature..
@rlemon They need to be everywhere. In the alt texts, in the logo, in the voting icons. Everywhere. UNICORNS FOREVA!
@RichardJ.RossIII you can take it as a joke ;)
@rlemon I'd prefer jabberwocks.
@GraceNote Only the risk that I neglect the other sites I moderate.
If not elected to be moderator, how do you envision your participation to change (if at all)?
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@swasheck Not at all.
@rlemon You might want to bold that. As for my answer, I'll work them in subtly ;)
@swasheck common sense (no, not the user formerly known as col shrapnel)
@swasheck I do not think my participation would change at all.
@swasheck I don't see it changing at all.
@swasheck I don't think it's wise to answer this without prior mod tool experience. If anyone decides to not vote for me because I don't already have a diamond on another site, that's his prerogative and I'm okay with that.
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@swasheck It won't. Well, I may try to use my /review and /tools a bit more, but otherwise the same :)
@GraceNote Just the three-week process it takes to become one.
@GraceNote it won't change
@RichardJ.RossIII Pfft, you're a 16 year old and you had an "incident"
@swasheck No change (either way, by the way).
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@swasheck It would continue as it is today, and I would very likely run again. I don't think anyone in this group will ragequit if not elected.
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@rlemon I am all for it.
@swasheck If not elected moderator, I continue participating as I have been, potentially even more if I can, and then try again next time.
@swasheck I'll prepare to go for the next round. Improve my flag counts & meta participation.
@swasheck I don't think it will change at all. It would eventually change what I can do to help moderate the site; that's all.
@BradLarson It should not matter if you are a high or low rep user. But for a high-rep user I would use a private chat to discuss the matter with them.
@MadaraUchiha Neither of those: edits. In my opinion, it's the best gauge of willingness to improve stuff.
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@rlemon MOAR UNICORNS!
HOLD on, whats the benefit for an Individual for becoming a moderator ?
@MadaraUchiha I like the cut of your jib.
@swasheck Not at all. I'm used to disappointment by now ;)
@swasheck Work harder and try again next time.
@TimeToShine Your name in blue!
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@swasheck In all honesty I'd probably do a little less moderating for a few days, but I'd soon bounce back. It's not the end of the world!
@rlemon Possibly nice as an Easter Egg at certain times of the year, but otherwise pointless.
@rlemon Ewno
@GraceNote Nope if I felt that way I would not have nominated myself. :)
@TimeToShine Are you asking this in general, or asking the candidates?
@TimeToShine There is none. It is for the benefit of the community.
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@Kolink thank you for your honesty
@TimeToShine The money! Nope, no benefit other than keeping the site clean.
@swasheck I make more coffee
@rlemon I want them free, not closed in a chat room.
@TimeToShine What's in it for you: Blue name. What's in it for the community: New human exception handler.
@Kolink we are all contributing to community somehow anyway
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@MadaraUchiha generally flags shouldn't be raising issues that need expert technical knowledge. The checklist of "what makes a good question" can usually be applied with only a very basic knowledge of the subject area. I never close a question because of purely technical knowledge. (The one exception to this is "exact duplicate" closes)
@kiamlaluno thats what I'm saying! Why are they always all cooped up in the chat dancing with the stars!
@TimeToShine: You can see more thing than the normal user can see and do more thing than the normal user can do
@rlemon no unicorns, it must be smurfs
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@Lamak I'm a pretty friendly guy who's active on meta and keen on assisting as much as I can to the maintenance of the site.
@bluefeet You lost my vote! (JK)
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@Gordon I think it's important that candidates have at least seen the 10k tools on some site (not necessarily SO itself) just so they know what the 10k tools panel looks like and how it works. The higher privileges (15k and 20k) are nice, but not critical.
@BradLarson talk to them. explain the issues. try to find a solution.
@bluefeet we can settle on blue unicorns maybe?
@nhahtdh thats comes with reputation I guess
@rlemon Seing as I am a unicorn. I think the background should be changed to one :) And every avatar should get a horn!
@swasheck I don't understand this reference, sorry.
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@RocketHazmat i'll work on that latter one
@RocketHazmat So like the Hats feature from Christmas, just with Horns instead?
@Kolink: YES! :)
@GraceNote not at all. I am looking forward to join the team.
Please do not star messages which are not questions for the candidates!
@swasheck I will go hide in the corner and cry. No seriously it would not change my participation in the site. I love this site, it has made me a better developer at work so being a mod or not my participation wouldn't change.
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@rlemon I prefer ponycorns. they are cuter
@rlemon sure if they are blue :)
Seriously all - we're nominating for what we could believe be better, and we're joking about unicorns!? Sheeesh
@swasheck Stack Overflow has really taught me to appreciate clear technical communication. I had some appreciation of what makes a good/bad question (and psychic debugging services) having come from a usenet background before, but this has really nailed it home and made me think about how I present my own answers as well.
@MadaraUchiha *Star?
@JonClements I haven't seen any new questions come by in a while. So Unicorns it is
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@JonClements Unicorns are serious business!
@JonClements You obviously have not been around long enough ^_^
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@GraceNote With close to 500 days consecutive visits to the site, I'm pretty sure that's every day of the week... With regard to timezone, I'm in GMT+2 (Israel).
@JonClements Mods need to be able to have a laugh. You should hear some of the Skype calls I have with my staff... Actually, no you shouldn't!
Psychic debugging is a skill
@BradLarson No differently than any other user. Start out with warnings in comments, maybe deleting offensive material where necessary, then elevate as needed to stronger warnings, suspensions... checking of course to see what prior action has been taken and what prior experiences other mods have had with the user. It's a great feature of SO that we have so many experts that we don't have to pander to one or two arrogant power users.
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Do you have a major interest or hobby outside of the world of computer tech?
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@Gordon you sir just won 3 internet points for putting "ponycorns" in my google search history.
Which tags do you believe are in desperate need of maintenance right now and what will you do to help out with said maintenance?
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@swasheck my participation wont be affected.
@GraceNote Nomic, NetHack, ice hockey.
@NullUserException I may be more careful when deleting things since posts deleted by a moderator can only be undeleted by a moderator, but closing is easily reversible by the community so I can't say my close-voting behavior will change to drastically.
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@GraceNote I play the Pokémon Trading Card Game somewhat seriously and I'm a major collector. Other than that, not really.
@GraceNote Does being obsessed with MLP:FiM count?
@GraceNote Not particularly. I did play football for 7 years, but those days are behind me.
I want the python tag cleaned up - sopython.com
@GraceNote Photography and reading.
@GraceNote Ummmm. walking, biking. being corny. being married. oldest of 6. LOVE DOCTOR WHO! ummm thats about it.
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@RaghavSood , , . All of those need attention. I'm active on two of the three.
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@GraceNote Raising my kids. I'm also getting active in some social causes after a tragedy in my hometown.
@GraceNote I exercise too much, mainly running. If I am not doing that I remodel my house or play video games.
@GraceNote Reading, writing, tennis.
@GraceNote Reading, movies (though I don't get to see as many films as I'd like these days) and walking the dog.
@RaghavSood Android, php, and somewhat the C++ tags all could use some help.
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@GraceNote diving and trying to be a guitar player. with varying success
@RaghavSood , , <-- ones that I am active in
and then seeing i put work into it, I want it more available to others
@rlemon Assuming this is a serious question: unicorns are a fun meme for SO addicts and Meta-heads to joke about in chat, but that's about it. It's a professional site, after all.
@GraceNote Video games! I own over 300, and that's usually what I'm doing when not browsing around the SE network.
@GraceNote Not really, most of my hobbies are computer related. Be it programming, or computer gaming. I do love deep philosophical and/or theological arguments.
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@RaghavSood I don't believe in giving more attention to specific tags (except the ones that are frequently misused because of misunderstandings, which I tend to adopt as favorites), but looking at questions individually on their own merit.
@animuson That's tech related, no?
@MadaraUchiha On the internet physical age is less obvious. There are some middle aged adults who act like spoilt teenagers and there are some teenagers who act 30+. For all we know someone who hasn't declared their age could be the youngest one here.
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@RaghavSood I think the folks in those tags can probably tell us better than we can deduce on our own. There are millions of users and a few dozen mods - let's crowdsource some of that initial filtering to see what needs attention.
@minitech Who is the GOAT in Tennis, in your opinion?
Scenario Question: If an argument arose between two users (say in the chat) and third parties flagged it unaware or the context, but both parties find the argument constructive; would you ban them? disband the argument? or file them into their own little room (the two arguing that is)
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@GraceNote Yes, I do: learning English, trying to learn Esperanto, and Sci-Fi.
(my questions have options)
@RichardJ.RossIII Not computer tech. Unless you play on the computer, which I don't.
@RaghavSood Agree with @AmaanCheval, but probably not for the same reason. I think all questions should be answered with raw because Vanilla JS is a lost art :p In all seriousness, though, it's also one of the most active so is bound to have more to clean up.
@Wooble But some tags have major quality problems. For exame, the Android tag gets a lot of new questions everyday. Many of these are duplicates.
@animuson PC MASTER RACE! I kid. Carry on :)
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@RichardJ.RossIII I probably could've been clearer in saying "dev stuffs", since that's more the inclination I was going for.
@RaghavSood Tags? As in synonyms, or the questions within?
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@swasheck I think it's fantastic that such a notion would be made "official policy", even for a certain period of time. I think overall it went well; I don't think it was meant to totally change the vibe on the site overnight. It drew attention to an important ongoing issue on the site.
@RaghavSood , problem is lots of people just post links and say "fix this". I'd tell them they need to clean up their question and direct them to similar ones.
@minitech Questions within
@swasheck I don't anticipate any changes. Why should an election loss impact participation?
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@RaghavSood I think a lot can be done to clean up the MySQL and PHP tags.
@NullUserException Is that a tennis thing? I just play tennis.
This answer pops up in the flag queue, with the flag "not an answer". What do you do?
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@minitech Greatest Of All Time
@Kolink I've got pretty much the same reason. You don't need jQuery to do everything
@RaghavSood Err... all of them have their bad moments. I don't discriminate :P
@NullUserException You are. Obviously.
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@rlemon I would first look for the context, and then make a decision.
@RaghavSood If people want to vote for someone who the Android community will break legs for because they want their tag cleaned up, they know who to vote for.
@rlemon They would probably be better off directed into their own room to be constructive with each other without disrupting others.
@AmaanCheval Awesome (#[^_^]#)
@Shog9 I wouldn't delete it. I would edit it, improving the quality, and send it back off into the wild. Which is what I'm doing now.
@Shog9 Close the question as "non-constructive" and/or make the answer a comment.
@Wooble Ah. My campaign manager has become famous ;)
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@Shog9 I would have to read the context. And then I see that it is basically a link pharm question -> Question should be closed/deleted --> answer was just because of the question.
@GraceNote I have other interests, yes. You'll have to define "major" or give me a better idea where you're headed with that question if you want more information than that, though.
@RaghavSood I see poor question in all tags. Those that I know something about I can edit and/or close others I'm going to have to leave to others as I don't have the domain knowledge to improve the answer. All I could do would get bad stuff closed more quickly, but that isn't always the best approach.
@rlemon Read through the logs, that's why they're there. If the argument is obviously interrupting or annoying the other users in the room, I would ask them to move their conversation into a different room.
@Shog9 delete it
@Shog9 I do this first. Then I close the question.
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@RaghavSood I'd say PHP is a mess. Simply because it's the most popular scripting language, is installed on 80% servers and everyone can pick it up so easily. We have tons of dupes in there. It could benefit from a full time mod actually.
@RaghavSood Tags related to Drupal needs some assistance, especially because perfectly answerable questions are closed as off-topic, or not constructive, when they are not.
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@Shog9 Make a comment to the user about the policy on self promotion, then delete it. If he wants to clean it up and flag for undelete he can do that. It's obvious from his profile that's a product he is associated with that he doesn't disclose in the "answer". Looking deeper that is a questionable account and he may need a mod message. All his answers are self-promotion.
@Shog9 Dispute the flag, but comment to the person leaving the answer requesting that they elaborate further on the benefits of the solution they're proposing.
@rlemon If it's in chat, I can't say that any action is needed on a moderator's part. If users find it annoying that they're arguing there, they can always ask them to move somewhere else on their own. I imagine it would have to be a pretty extreme case to warrant manually moving their conversation for them.
@RaghavSood and get a lot of complaints. I don't plan to actively go into any tags for cleanup runs, mod-guns blazing, but if there are more flags coming from those areas, I'll probably be spending a proportionate amount of time there.
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@NullUserException I don't know. I play tennis.
@Shog9 Comment requesting elaboration after disputing flag. If no elaboration/improvement is made, delete and convert to comment.
@LordTorgamus Well, rather than necessarily listing all the things you enjoy doing, just think of what you'd consider amongst the top things you truly love.
@Shog9 I decline it: The user is trying to answer, and it is not one of those "me too" answers, or answers asking a different question.
@Shog9 Convert it to a comment.
@RaghavSood I'd help out like I already do. PHP is my main tag and I am part of the cv-ring, e.g. a group of PHP enthusiasts meeting the php chat room and coordinating cleaning there. We even wrote our own tools to assist us with that.
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@Shog9 Comment, wait (for several hours), and delete. Depending on the case, I might convert to comment.
@rlemon I'd see if I could figure out the context. If it wasn't useful, I'd remove the comments. If it was useful, I'd see if I could make a chat room for them.
@swasheck Not 100% sure I've understood this question correctly - in terms of knowledge ("what's the precedent here?") chat has to be the most useful thing. I expect I'll largely be working with the flag queue.
@Shog9 I believe I already voted to close that question when you brought it up in the Tavern. ;P
@Shog9 It would depend how old it was when it was flagged. If it's a new answer leave a comment asking the poster to leave more information. Possibly down-vote. If it was an older link only answer then I'd probably convert to a comment (if it pointed to a useful resource) or just delete.
@animuson cheater
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@AnnaLear I'd like to think that it wouldn't affect my decisions at all. I intend to remain consistent with my methodologies.
@rlemon It depends from the argument, and which tone they keep.
I don't think editing is feasible with the amount of link answer per day. Leaving comment might be quick with userscript, but the flag needs to be handled anyway...
@Neal let's stop the edit war. your version is harder to read than mine.
@rlemon I'd tell them to continue their argument in a way that doesnt attract more flagging
@rlemon Show up, let the users know that they've caused a disturbance in the opinion of other users and ask them to tone it down for a minute or two. That'll give me a chance to read the context. After I do that, I can decide whether they need to be censured, censored or suspended.
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@Neal but i'll leave it how it is now.
@Richard -- do not edit an answer with something that you have no knowledge of. — Neal 8 secs ago
@rlemon I would read the transcript to get some context on the situation and if need be ask them to move to a separate room
@RichardJ.RossIII this just got real and so meta
@Richard -- do not edit an answer with something that you have no knowledge of. — Neal 28 secs ago
We're at the 13 minute mark, done because the halfway was done 2 minutes late so I matched it.
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@Neal The user said they've been using it for a year - implying that they are a happy customer.
@Neal it's not hard to fill in the gaps.
@BradLarson Check with the other moderators on this in private chat - I have relatively little inclination what the "normal" response is, in particular how it escalates. Doing nothing is bad. Doing too much is bad. The balance is a fine one and there are people who've been walking that line for a long time.
as a moderator, will you take the time to "get to know the community" on a personal level? I often see Mods in the chats and answering / helping with questions/answers - but then there are mods who i've never seen outside of meta or "here when something has happened". It's not that important that you get to know us, i'm just curious to know who will.
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As such we'll be winding down as we near the end.
@RichardJ.RossIII That is not true at all. I have been using my company's app for about a year I BUILT IT!
@NullUserException I'd delete the entire question.
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@RichardJ.RossIII I would reject that as radical change without a second thought. Seriously, it doesn't need elaboration.
@rlemon I'll buy anyone who upvotes my posts/votes for me a beer! :-D I'd like to get to know people here, it'd be nice :)
@GraceNote thanks * :P
Pre-MODFIGHT!!
@rlemon invisible cookies for all!
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@Neal @RichardJ.RossIII this is not an Eastern European parliament. Please chill. You are doing yourselves no favors.
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@JNK yea... It is cold in my office.
@RichardJ.RossIII You never know :-P
@rlemon I don't really use the chat much to begin with, but apart from that, yes.
@rlemon I think it's important. A moderator isn't there only to solve problems anonymously. He's there to be a figure.
@rlemon Yes I already do that to an extent. I am in the chat room The Heap on DBA.SE most days mainly due to the direct connection with my job. This same community is in the tags I am active in.
@rlemon I like to know who I'm working with. I like to know when people have problems and if there's anything I can do to help, even if it's just "be here so I can rant to you".
@rlemon I'm already very active in the Android chat room, and depending on what technologies I use further on, I may join the PHP and JavaScript rooms (and possible C++)
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You can hold your argument about the edit elsewhere and elsewhen. Please don't do it in here.
@Shog9 Ugh. Leave it, since its low quality is mostly a function of the fact that it's a response to a bad question in the first place. I'd probably close the question if it wasn't already closed, though.
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@rlemon I already know the community around my tags pretty well, so I'll continue that if elected.
@rlemon "The Community" is hundreds of thousands of people. You can't know them all personally.
@Shog9 Of course the other thing to do is check the profile to see if there's any information that would indicate whether it was actually spam. In which case I'd flag it as such (which would immediately remove the answer) and see whether it was necessary to suspend or even destroy the user.
@GraceNote Finding my feet without being a burden on the existing moderators will be tricky, but I'm confident it's something I can adapt to.
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Poor kindrosker is going to be confused when he find out his one answer got edited so many times in a few minutes :P
@rlemon interweaving like horses and burgers?
@rlemon I don't frequent chat as much as some users - but I do feel like I will be there to give helpful feedback on subjects that I may have input on, I don't see that changing. most of my activity now is edits & comments, both of which are critical to being a moderator
How much do you think this Town Hall affected your vision/viewpoint/chances of getting elected?
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well my chances are down the tubes now. Thanks "town hall"
@MadaraUchiha I hope I didn't say anything stupid :) Also, it made me see that I may need to think more about what I'd do as a mod.
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@GraceNote So you want me to actually specify one or more hobbies, then?
@MadaraUchiha If anything, it has hurt them. That conversation with neal put me at odds with some people, but I didn't come into the election with high hopes.
@MadaraUchiha I think my chances have stayed the same.
@swasheck I'll probably take a short break and then business as normal.
@LordTorgamus As much as you are comfortable with.
(Darn that middle-click-paste-selection.)
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@MadaraUchiha I have no idea! I hope I've shown people a bit more about who I am, and what I can bring to the table. That said, my vision/viewpoint of other candidates has been somewhat altered.
@Flexo thank you for your honesty
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@MadaraUchiha Hopefully it's helped me. I know it's clarified who I am/am not voting for among the other candidates. I hope it gives voters a better idea of how we will operate as mods.
@MadaraUchiha I hope they've gone up, but I really can't say :P
@rlemon I am usually in the PHP chat room. But the community is rather big, so getting to know the community on a personal level is unfortunately largely impossible. I'd love to attend some sort of SO meetup though.
@MadaraUchiha Possibly because the questions are coming thick and fast I don't think that the actual chat will affect whether people vote for me or not. I think that will come when people read the transcript and meta post.
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@MadaraUchiha I think I'm now the clear frontrunner. Sorry, Andrew, wherever you are.
@MadaraUchiha Well I hope that I have been able to state some additional points of view that were not in my nomination. I hope it has helped my chances.
@minitech lol it is now community wiki! :-D
@MadaraUchiha I don't think it changed much. I hope not. Otherwise, I've been explaining myself pretty badly in nominations.
@MadaraUchiha It didn't change anything: Those who up-voted me already voted; those who down-voted me already voted. Nobody is going to change their vote because something I said here.
@GraceNote Yes. Boats. Photography. Climbing.
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@Neal I saw, but it may as well be, right‽
@minitech haha yep :-D
@Gordon yea this is the answers I expected. I do see mods sticking to their areas of expertise. and I wouldn't for a second expect anyone to get to know everyone. Just wondering the stance on community involvement from a "soon to maybe be" mod.
@MadaraUchiha The Town Hall meeting has shown that I am the mod everyone is looking for. makes Jedi gesture
@rlemon To some degree, yes. I already participate in Meta a lot -- I think I'm one of the top five users who isn't a current or former mod? -- and some chats, but my lack of subject matter expertise keeps me out of the comment threads of most questions.
(Do I get points for the interrobang?)
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@rlemon I once attended an SO meetup, it was fun. We need more of those!
Agreed
@minitech no, the upside down ¡Is where it's at!
@minitech You do from me
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@MadaraUchiha In order of importance - 1. Helpful flags (the ability to recognize problems with a post/user. Close votes also fall into this category). 2. Meta Participation (the pretty much means reading through the endless hidden FAQ posts that every and all meta posts get closed as duplicates of. A healthy knowledge of "how the site works"). 3. Delete activity (the ability to recognize junk).
@rlemon what is your definition of community involvement?
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@rlemon I much prefer to be active as moderator, and in the meta site. Those are the places where I can help more.
@rlemon As I'm on line mainly from work it's difficult (if not impossible) to have multiple chat windows open. I try to get into the various rooms when I can, but in terms of being available to the community it has to be when I'm free.
@RaghavSood my intention is to go where the flags take me rather than spending a massive amount of time seeking out problems. There are certainly tags with quality issues. I have a tag blacklist optimised for reading questions I like currently, I'll remove that if elected.
As we approach the close of our hour, final thoughts from the candidates?
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@Gordon involvement in the community :P (I know not helpful, but I was tossing the term in loosely)
@GraceNote VOTE FOR ME PLEASE! Kidding, vote for whoever you think is the best fit. But preferably me. :p
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@GraceNote Good luck everyone! I am sure whomever wins will be a great moderator!
@GraceNote Good luck to everyone!
@GraceNote Thank you for the cookies, the good time, and the questions. I would have preferred bread and salami, but I have still to get that. :)
@GraceNote I think I did my thing here. I'm probably not going to get elected this time, but I have learned a lot, and will improve towards the next election. I'd like to wish good luck for @Gordon, I think he'll make one hell of a mod here.
To those who said they'd moderate while on the job. What do you believe your boss would say if they discovered this level of involvement?
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@GraceNote I hope that I didn't say anything stupid here. I'd love to be a moderator. I feel I would be fair, and I would talk to users before closing questions and banning people. I love to edit posts to fix grammar. So, please vote for me :)
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How will you, as a moderator, improve our standing in external communities (such as reddit) where we have a negative reputation?
@MadaraUchiha This chat has made me think a little more about the aspects of moderation that don't immediately come to mind when you think about day-to-day mod business. By that, I mean evangelizing about SO, retaining good members and figuring out how the site can best serve the community on a large scale (rather than an individual-question scale). But other than that, I don't feel very different. (cont'd...)
@swasheck I am my boss. Kolink.boss === Kolink
@GraceNote Yeah, good luck everyone.
@swasheck Umm... Can I plead the 5th ammendment?
@rlemon flags in chat have historically been pretty tricky. A lot goes in chat that wouldn't be acceptable on the main site. Unless it was pretty serious (doesn't sound like it from your description) I'd probably just stop by and see for a while.
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@GraceNote A vote for me is a vote for even more close votes.
@swasheck I'm sure they'd be happy.
@GraceNote I can't think of anything I'd like to add. People can see what sort of moderator I'll be from my activity on the other sites.
@GraceNote Whatever happens in the end, this experience has been well worth it, and I am very satisfied with how things have gone so far.
@RichardJ.RossIII we have a negative reputation on reddit?
@swasheck I don't have a boss.
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@NullUserException A very negative one, yes.
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@GraceNote I think good judgement and an even temperament are the most important aspects for a moderator, and I have those. You have to look beyond the surface frequently. For instance, very few people noticed the account that Shog9 linked too only posts self-promotional answers. Editing the answer is not a solution there, the account is a problem and needs to be dealt with.
@RichardJ.RossIII Reddit is not the kind of place we should be seeking reputation anyway. StackOverflow can stand for itself :)
@swasheck I'm a freelancer and can use my time as I see fit :)
@Richard It's not going to work with linebreaks.
@swasheck I won't moderate on the job. (Sadly, no internet computer access from there yet). But when I would, only on free-time and not during productive time. I like to have a separation between the two.
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@RichardJ.RossIII Our community has nothing to do with reddit.
@swasheck 5th
@LordTorgamus (...cont'd) I'm extremely familiar with Meta, I've read the transcripts of past Town Halls, I read the mod newsletters occasionally, I listen to some of the podcasts... there were no huge shockers in here.
@RichardJ.RossIII I don't think the premise of this question is true at all...
@RichardJ.RossIII I pledge to upvote every positive comment about SO on reddit on my first day as moderator, because I can totally change the minds of trolls and arguing with people who are wrong on the internet is a great use of time.
@RocketHazmat True, but you represent stackoverflow as a whole. You could make a difference in how we are viewed outside of stackoverflow, and how important is that to you?
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@RichardJ.RossIII … what? I don't care. Stack Overflow users are the only ones in a position to know what's going on anyways.
@RichardJ.RossIII We don't care, nor should we. We are moderators, not publicity men.
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@swasheck Drop by the tavern on meta. There's always someone there who will listen to your story!
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@swasheck I hope they would be OK with it. If not I'll work for SE!
@swasheck Well most of my Stack Exchange activity is first thing in the morning or at lunchtime (with the odd 5 minutes here and there during the day) so it doesn't affect my work anyway.
@RichardJ.RossIII We are not representatives of Stack Overflow or Stack Exchange.
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@RichardJ.RossIII I would do my best here to make this a happy place. Let them think what they want. Haters gonna hate.
@GraceNote I think I have the level of patience and judgment that is needed to be a mod on this site.
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@RichardJ.RossIII I'm not sure this is really an issue or the job of the moderator team. SO is a well respected resource already.
@GraceNote Volunteering on an ambulance, playing games (video and board).
@RichardJ.RossIII Nothing. It is outside our control, and we were elected to moderate the community, not popularize the site.
@MadaraUchiha Not legally, but I think you'll find that most people don't bother making that distinction.
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@JNK I stand humbly corrected and will take this into account for future cases that come my way.
@swasheck I won't tell him.
We may be the unofficial representatives from inside the community, but we will not go out and speaking in Stack Overflow's name.
@AnnaLear That's what I meant :P ^
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@Kolink Live and learn!
@Shog9 take a look at other activity from the user and linking to the same URL. The post linked to looks like the whole question is problematic rather than just the individual post. Close on the question seems like a sensible place.
I've seen several existing moderators speak out in Stack Overflow's defence when Reddit or Hacker News was being particularly negative.

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