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01:26
Current Status
  1. Bohemian             [ 6324] (115k rep, 1482 helpful flags)
  2. bluefeet             [ 4840] ( 97k rep,21204 helpful flags)
  3. 0x7fffffff           [ 2979] ( 28k rep, 1185 helpful flags)
  4. Jon Clements         [ 2854] ( 44k rep,  811 helpful flags)
  5. Undo                 [ 2556] (  5k rep, 3847 helpful flags)
  6. Matt                 [ 2420] ( 34k rep, 3910 helpful flags)
  7. Siddharth Rout       [ 2052] ( 54k rep, 1623 helpful flags)
  8. meagar               [ 1991] ( 68k rep, 1870 helpful flags)
how in the world does anyone have 21k+ helpful flags? That's gotta be the overall leader for the entire site doesn't it?
Do these folks ever get re-elected? Or is this a lifetime deal?
maybe i'm not involved enough in SO for this to make sense, but how is that many of the mod candidates have so many down votes?
01:49
@WiseOldDuck Lifetime. See discussion of why here:
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Q: Should Community Moderators be "elected for life", or have terms?

Jeff AtwoodWhile I applaud the excellent work of all our community moderators, the question has come up: How long will be the elected moderator’s “mandate”? Is it for life, or are we going to have “moderator elections” regularly? Of course, any community moderator who wishes to recuse him or herself c...

02:17
Hmm high stakes
02:38
@MagicMan: depends who you're talking about.
Who is @0x7fffffff and why is he so popular in the primary?
Also, what's the big focus on link-only answers this time around? I hate them too, but in terms of volume they're like... Barely in the top-10 problems facing SO right now.
@MagicMan I assume you have to really care a LOT about the site to amass that many. Or be completely mad. Or both.
@Shog9: well someone did make it part of the mod questions -- for me it was pre-emptively answering that question .
03:34
@Shog9 candidates need a problem to fixate on, and voters need an issue to identify with.
BUT WHAT ABOUT YUGOSLAVIA?
Of course you can see the fallacy from both parties.
I thought Yugoslavia was already sorted and everybody was happy again?
(if anyone gets that reference, I'll give you a nickel)
Or are they starting to bicker again?
Nah, I pass, too obscure.
Probably. Maybe we need a Serbian mod to sort it out?
03:36
Just make sure they don't have to work with a Croat :)
@MagicMan regarding the down votes: for this part of the elections the votes can be considered a yes/no statement, so someone downvoting a candidate is saying "I don't want this person".
It's impossible to know whether they cast it because they really don't like you for some reason or if it is because they just want to handicap the opponents of the candidates they do want.
@slugster ahh, that makes sense
 
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05:06
By that logic I should downvote everyone else :(
@Shog9 I'm actually really interested in what you consider the top 10 problems with Stack Overflow right now
05:23
^me too, guessing there are some meta posts dealing with this?
05:39
how can one choose other as a moderator ? I mean what if someone do not feel like choosing from the 30 candidates who are listed out there ?
Why are there no funny candidates. All those spiels are so... bland.
spiels.... lol :D
@EasyCo I had high hopes for FreshPrince, wanted to see his entire thing written in character
Good morning friends
06:09
As a moderator, if you come across a question which has a swearing word as a variable name, what do you do?
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Q: AttributeError("'str' object has no attribute 'read'")

RobinJSomething seems to be going wrong with the data types here, but I don't know how to fix it. Google only gives my rubbish which isn't even remotely connected to my problem. Please assist. Exception: (<type 'exceptions.AttributeError'>, AttributeError("'str' object has no attribute 'read'",), <

how to vote for moderator election ?
06:34
@Caleb Thanks for your suggestion. This was exactly what I was doing before casting my vote since I know its importance. It will be something nice that comes up as a result of this attempt since we are all joined together very seriously to find the best.
@Reegan: we're in the primary phase, which means you vote for whoever you want to advance to the next phase. Go to stackoverflow.com/election and upvote any of your favourite candidates.
Also, if you believe that someone would make a very poor moderator, you can also downvote them.
I guess I should ask it again...
how can one choose other as a moderator ? I mean what if someone do not feel like choosing from the 30 candidates who are listed out there ?
@Aman: oh -- you can't, sorry. They needed to have nominated themselves previously.
Okay.... thanks :)
@thefourtheye I hate to admit it but I upvoted the question
07:09
For me moderator should have face. Why so many candidates has funny pictures instead of real face?
@Saram I could ask you the same question
@Qantas94Heavy Ok thanks for your information..........
@Saram: MY FACE IS PRECIOUS
@Sathya @Sathya I'm a small ant, do not want to any PUBLIC function here. That's my answer.
that's a weird answer, but ok.
07:24
lol
i use my picture to communicate that i'm a Marathon fan, Marathon = precursor to Halo
i suppose I could put my mug in there too
 
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09:31
@thefourtheye That's actually slightly amusing.
In a vast majority of cases I would leave it. If it was nasty I would down vote.
When you've coded for a lot of years you end up seeing all sorts of things in the code - sometimes coders actually experience things called emotions and will leave a reminder of it in their code.
I experience emotions sometimes when things just don't damn well work like they should.
@thefourtheye Actually your question is quite similar to this one:
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Q: Are moderators not taking action against those with an unprofessional profile picture?

WilliamsNowadays, I am seeing unprofessional profile avatars of guys on Stack Overflow. IMO, it simply is not good to have these unprofessional profile avatars on this professional website because this is not anything like Facebook. See here and many more I am seeing nowadays. Are moderators not taking...

 
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12:33
Current Status
  1. Bohemian             [ 6839] (115k rep, 1491 helpful flags)
  2. bluefeet             [ 5131] ( 97k rep,21283 helpful flags)
  3. 0x7fffffff           [ 3244] ( 28k rep, 1202 helpful flags)
  4. Jon Clements         [ 3063] ( 44k rep,  811 helpful flags)
  5. Undo                 [ 2744] (  5k rep, 3849 helpful flags)
  6. Matt                 [ 2618] ( 34k rep, 3912 helpful flags)
  7. Siddharth Rout       [ 2257] ( 54k rep, 1623 helpful flags)
  8. meagar               [ 2172] ( 68k rep, 1870 helpful flags)
And my little section of the graph looks to be fairly stable:
12:45
@Doorknob Yeah, nothing much's really changed, you've got a 195 vote lead on 11th place
13:05
@Qantas94Heavy Which would be me ^)^
13:28
@Sathya I get what @Saram is saying and I don't think his answer is weird at all, though I don't agree that moderators should have real faces
I think consistency is more important than using a real face. I recognize users by their avatar, regardless of what it depicts
I just wound up using my real face/name because I'm boring :p
14:20
Bohemian is rocking that election
14:57
@Qantas94Heavy anything more than lets say 4 hours casually like in the background at work, or 2 hours a day sustained where you are do nothing but SO. Basically, I think extreme users are too hardcore and out of touch with most users and end up weird. You don't want the guys who have read every comic ever to be a moderator because then you end with comic book guy for the Simpsons. You want a very engaged but still (hegh end of) average user, IMHO.
When will @Bohemian post an answer on the Meta question?
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Q: 2014 SO Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

Grace NoteCandidate Index Jon Clements (nomination) Qantas 94 Heavy (nomination) slugster (nomination) Paresh Mayani (nomination) meagar (nomination) FreshPrinceOfSO (nomination) Kevin (nomination) Jeroen Vannevel (nomination) hichris123 (nomination) PearsonArtPhoto (nomination) bluefeet (nomination) Door...

 
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16:36
@FreshPrinceOfSO At this point it really doesn't matter
16:56
@Kevin It should matter given the last few interactions on Meta.
@FreshPrinceOfSO Should, sure. But in the actual election votes, the people who actually follow and care are drowned out by the masses who vote almost exclusively on rep.
at least for the last few elections.
17:26
@Kevin This is understandable. There aren't many ways of knowing the personality of those running for the positions. Hence, rep is considered by most.
It seems reputation and flag count are the key factors.
that's traditionally been the case
Yeah, I found last year's Town Hall thing to be a complete waste of time, in that the votes didn't change at all after it.
The questions haven't really changed anything.
There are exceptions to the rule, however.
I have more votes than most of the people below me, even though I have fewer flags and lower reputation than most of them.
I probably have one of the highest votes/flag ratios of anyone:-) Or votes/reputation, for that matter, although Undo has me beat there by a long shot...
17:51
@PearsonArtPhoto interesting. Comparing yours & mine, I have about 3k lesser rep than you, but higher flag & vote numbers
And @Phil that's a nice t- would have cherished to have that :)
I guess that means that I have something going for me, but just not reputation/flag counts...
hey @Phil isn't that shirt pink now? :)
  1. Bohemian             [ 7107] (115k rep, 1491 helpful flags)
  2. bluefeet             [ 5305] ( 97k rep,21314 helpful flags)
  3. 0x7fffffff           [ 3398] ( 28k rep, 1223 helpful flags)
  4. Jon Clements         [ 3180] ( 44k rep,  813 helpful flags)
  5. Undo                 [ 2831] (  5k rep, 3850 helpful flags)
  6. Matt                 [ 2715] ( 34k rep, 3912 helpful flags)
3,4,5,6 are pretty close
18:23
How many moderators are there presently?
I have cast an upvote for @slugster and expect lifetime immunity from closures or deletions.
LOL. Good luck with that;-)
@Kevin thanks :)
18:41
@PearsonArtPhoto @Sathya Note that I have the 3rd highest rep and I'm in 8th :p
It's really not all about rep
@meagar it's magic ;)
18:59
Next year I should hire a political speech writer to do my nomination.
19:54
@Kevin I would vote to get rid of the nomination summaries
20:16
Thanks @WiseOldDuck. Immunity can usually only be bought with beer :)
20:56
FYI: all nominations now link to the candidates' answers here - aren't y'all glad you filled those out?
(Slackers who didn't answer get a TODO: instead - so go do it)
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@Shog9 maybe their nomination should be tossed
@FreshPrinceOfSO answering the questions isn't a requirement. It's just A Good Idea.
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It looks like I can edit that out, and gain 87 valuable characters :p
@meagar if you do that, I'll steal back the characters from wherever you least expect enjoy it.
21:06
...I wonder if I can lock these posts...
DON'T MAKE ME FIND OUT!
I don't imagine there's a lot of changes being made at this point
Figured the same.
Does the same post carry on into the final election, or do we have more space to write a longer post?
This was a quick'n'dirty solution - we haven't really tried this format on SO before, so we're kinda making it up as we go along.
@meagar no. You get what you started with.
Interesting.
I thought, once it was down to only 10 candidates, we might have a chance to write out something a little longer
21:08
some folks wrote novellas in past elections, which were a real pain to deal with - this is just supposed to be a little intro.
Ah
Fair enough
This format arguably favours nominees like Undo who have links to off-site manifesto
But I don't think we can realistically say "no off-site links!"
yes. You should all have manifestos. Only the best sorts of people write manifestos.
Who has the time
I'm too busy harvesting rep
thinking of writing a long manifesto and just linking to it from my nomination
Wow, just realized that @bluefeet and Bohemian both have the legendary badge
@bluefeet Did you make a specific effort to grind away at it, or did it just kind of happen?
21:13
@meagar one of my proudest moments so far - besides my gold pivot badge
All I have is a lousy gold PHP badge :p
@meagar yes I worked for the legendary badge
I have to imagine, not many people could hit the rep cap that often without concerted effort
I'm about 1/3rd of the way there :p
At this rate, I should get it in about 2022
it was incredibly difficult as it should be
Yes
Geeze, just realized the gold PHP badge is "more exclusive"
Awared 131 times compared to the 159 legendary badges
21:18
hah, i can't even rack up 200 rep in 1 day, much less 150 times
@MagicMan it takes time to get it and a lot of work
how much of that is the residual rep? ie a great answer in a very popular thread? answers that keep on giving?
Depends on who you're asking about
for me, very little, probably only 10 rep per day on average
when I was working on the badge - very little was residual rep - I was answering a lot of questions
Meanwhile Jon Skeet could stop posting new answers entirely and continue to hit the rep cap every day
21:20
^yeah that's what i was wondering
that's probably only the very top fraction of the users though
short question
Who should become a mod?
simple
Short question: What is the meaning of life?
of the candidated on this election
@CSᵠ no one can answer that for you, you have to review the candidates and decide
... Short questions != simple questions
21:22
@meagar true.
the simplicity here lies in the question and not the possible answers
I mean, it's "simple" if you just want to be told who to vote for :p
In that case, I would say the ideal candidate has between 68,426 and 68,428 reputation
or even better: simple to understand (the question) :)
@meagar lol
identified one of those :D
that person's got my vote :DD
@meagar or has 21k+ flags
@bluefeet Yes, jokes aside that's seriously incredible
@meagar again a lot of work to get that
21:27
I can't imagine
@meagar and only 80 declined flags
21:54
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Q: 2014 SO Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

Grace NoteCandidate Index Qantas 94 Heavy (nomination) slugster (nomination) Paresh Mayani (nomination) meagar (nomination) FreshPrinceOfSO (nomination) Kevin (nomination) Jeroen Vannevel (nomination) hichris123 (nomination) PearsonArtPhoto (nomination) bluefeet (nomination) Doorknob (nomination) Madara U...

Or ask here if you have other questions, that's what we're here for
@Kevin just did a small experiment, I had indeed cast a few votes, but don't know most of the candidates
How would a mod help clean the Close que?
@CSᵠ unlimited binding close votes. Even at just 40 reviews a day then can do the work of 5 reviewers.
@Wooble It's like you read my responses :-p
That was like my whole platform...
@Wooble that is treating the problem,. the close que really needs prevention also
how would one go about that?
@Wooble indeed with powers unlocked and a bit of work one could fight to bring it down
22:00
@CSᵠ Yes, unlimited binding close votes in their spare time, but there are 20k users who can review, and 16 mods. And the mods need to prioritize things the other 20k can't do
20k can't single vote close?
@CSᵠ 20,000 users @ 3k+ rep
not users with 20k rep
@Kevin so in fact, you're saying there are other thing to do instead of taking care of the close que, since 20k people could act instead...
There are other priorities. That's not to say a mod shouldn't bother.
There are a thousand flags a day that can only be dismissed by mods, and a good portion of those can only be seen by mods.
indeed there are
22:05
A mod has to take care of the things only a mod can take care of.
what about half-gods ?
err, i mean half-mods :)
sounds like a good idea atm, 20k users with some acting power and 16 with "total" power
There have been suggestions floated about giving users with diamonds elsewhere on the network some extra power on SO, but I don't think that's going anywhere
maybe half-mod at 50k rep/100k/more
@Wooble You are correct, but IMVHO a mod shouldn't be bulldozing the queue and using their powers to unilaterally close questions - it's short circuiting the community process simply to drive down the numbers on a queue that isn't out of control - especially when you compare the queue numbers to the overall site numbers.
@CSᵠ Prevention isn't really possible
Close votes are a crucial part of the site, we can't and shouldn't prevent them
22:10
@CSᵠ There have also been discussions on that, things like giving 20k users 2 votes, 50-100k 3, etc.
@meagar of course it is, just hasn't been thought well enough yet...
That's not going to happen either.
The only real preventative step would be trying to educate users before they post questions which are doomed for closure
And SO tries pretty hard to do that already
Unfortunately as long as the Internet is full of people used to traditional forums, there is going to be a steady flow of low-quality content
@meagar lol, no way! close vote que is the simptom of the problem, the problem is getting poor quality questions of course, that needs prevention along the treatment cv-que is offering
Yes, I agree
I'm saying however that Stack Overflow doesn't really have the tools to treat the problem, users posting low-quality content
22:12
@meagar indeed, there is some history proving this
There will always be low quality content coming in, we can throw up only so many road blocks before we start turning away both bad and good content
22:27
hiya bluefeet!
@slugster hi
do the mods have the power to change the rules?
i.e. modify which types of questions are / not allowed?
@TomEus They can influence policy (but ordinary members can as well). Other than that, they can create new close reasons (because they vary from site to site), but it's always done in consultation with the entire mod team.
As for "types" of questions, that's largely for the community to do by either closing or not closing.
And some sites have more lenience towards some types of questions, when sites are beta the rules are not as rigorously enforced because the site is still finding its feet.
23:40
This might have already been mentioned but I think the votes should be hidden. Showing the votes influences voters.
@EasyCo they'll be hidden in the final phase of the election
the one that matters
this is just the weed-out stage
to get the number of nominations down to a number that's actually readable
in... let's say an afternoon

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