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12:39 AM
Hi, is there a way to flag suggested edits? I found a spam suggested edit: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/34108825
 
@user16217248 Not directly. You can flag any post (including one of your own) as "In need of moderator intervention" and link to the suggested edit and explain the situation.
(I've already handled this particular case)
 
The user in question had no posts; thanks for handling them.
 
12:56 AM
 
1:21 AM
I flagged that question as very low quality
 
@user16217248 It was, indeed, very low quality. (context for once the messages are cleaned up)
 
So for once, a question where a VLQ flag would be appropriate
 
I flagged it as needs clarity, actually. I cast a VLQ flag earlier today, though.
 
yep, the rare question where summary deletion by a moderator is warranted
(I've sometimes described the threshold as "a moderator can tell the question should be closed without reading it")
 
I guess that's a good threshold
 
1:30 AM
That'll leave lots of questions and answers open to VLQ flags, ones where other moderators (such as Cody), in the past have asked us not to use VLQ flags for.
 
Cody is actually more generous than most moderators in handling them, but his advice is intended to cover how any moderator would approve them.
but also "without reading it" is a pretty high bar
 
Well, he said it sometime between 2-4 years ago. Maybe things changed.
 
In general I'd expect pretty consistent acceptance of non-english (though with the dedicated option, maybe not...), body consisting entirely of filler, or irrecoverably horrible formatting issues (think overlapping image markdown). Cody and I would also accept them on image-only and link-only posts, but not sure how other moderators would handle those.
 
Yeah, VLQ used to be the right flag for non-English, but I assumed that's not the correct one anymore, since they added the specific option for it.
 
I thought non-English should be flagged as 'Community specific reason -> Not written in English'
 
1:37 AM
And for this question in particular, with those dots, despite the question's title content seeming quite useless to SO, I considered it potentially salvageable if the title's text was moved to the body, which is why I opted for needs details or clarity, instead of VLQ.
@user16217248 That option didn't exist a few years ago, though.
I actually had 2 accepted VLQ flags yesterday, and 1 declined.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship It's still the correct flag for non-English answers.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship yeah, we'd prefer the specific option.
part of the reason we'd even more greatly prefer that it be removed from the UI
For some reason my brain had not connected that that option sort of obsoletes the practice of flagging non-English as VLQ
 
1:52 AM
@RyanM questions. Answer's don't have close flags so VLQ is still definitely fine there.
(Of course NAA would work just fine too)
 
Good thing we're not compilers. We'd have choked on the number of valid options halfway through.
Hey, Henry, any chance you used to hang around on some Minecraft servers around 2013-2015, dedicated to building cities in creative mode? (Considering your profile picture, and that I have a faint memory of some "Henry" or "Ecker")
 
I do/did play quite a lot Minecraft but my name isn't anything close to Henry nor Ecker there :)
 
Ah, ok. :) Fellow Minecraft player here. Never gonna give up that game.
 
I go through phases. However, it's definitely been in my rotation quite a bit longer than a lot of other games for sure.
 
I went visiting some family of mine, as a child, back in 2011, and saw my cousin playing some peculiar game. I commented how the graphics seemed horrible, but the gameplay was interesting. Got the free PE edition sometime later (very sad when the app restarted after 1-2 months (no saving, back then). I filled the entire world). Been hooked ever since.
 
 
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3:18 AM
@KenWhite I think they did put the effort into solving it themselves. They just didn’t provide any of their code in the question.
« Created a list and saved to LogRhythm, then ran scan on list from LR on signed in accounts for broswers. Came up with errors.»
They need to provide an MCVE.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Have you confirmed that it’s the empty tooltip causing the issue?
 
3:43 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship That may be the case, but the question as asked here needs more focus. In its current form, it's basically a give me the code that will do this
 
3:54 AM
What's 'unfocused' about, "Give me the code to do XXX?" Closing as "asking for off-site resources" may be more appropriate but a good, ole-fashioned downvote looks more fitting, there.
 
@AdrianMole It depends on the scope. If the code they’re asking for is a considerable amount, and it’s the code, and not the explanation or guide they’re looking for, it’s appropriate to close it for «needs more focus».
 
Is this closable? Someone just copy pasted their homework question into their SO question
 
@user16217248 Actually somewhat unsure. It’s a low quality question, and deserves a downvote, but it’s not entirely a paste of their homework question.
He should have at least written down his reasoning, though.
If it’s the question itself, and not the answer he doesn’t understand, it should be closed. He should ask his professor or assistants at the university, not SO.
 
I guess that makes sense
'I have more tried to understand this question but' implies lack of understanding of the question
 
Yeah, that’s what it seems like to me as well.
You could try asking him in the comments section, if you want to provide him with some basic guidance.
 
 
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5:09 AM
@user16217248 it's not about programming, which is the main issue. (it's also, y'know...kind of low-quality to just copy-paste the question and not try to rephrase it, but it could be on-topic somewhere with some rephrasing)
 
Yeah. So the answer is yes then.
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship Don't mention as he/she , OP is best for that. We don't prefer there gender.
 
@4b0 No, thank you. It's clearly a man in that man's profile picture.
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship Nop that's doesn't mean you judge .
 
@4b0 The SOCVR rules do not make any mention of pronouns. I have a right to use my language as fit, as long as I'm not being disrespectful.
 
5:19 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship there was a major catastrophe around the use of personal pronouns a few years ago; you really want to avoid going near challenging those parts of the inclusivity policy
 
@tripleee That's part of the reason why I left SO for 2-3 years.
If I am not allowed to use my language in a way that does not disrespect, I intend to leave again.
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship But SO rule prefer, SO violate rule is also violate SOCVR.
 
@4b0 It is completely normal use of the English language. I have been using "they/them" when the gender is unclear or disputed, years before this was even a topic on SO. Excuse me, but this is nonsense.
 
I think you have both made your positions clear; continuing this discussion seems pointless
 
4b0
@tripleee :) , conclusion :D
 
5:26 AM
@tripleee That's not a request for an off-site resource, as far as I'm concerned.
 
thanks, changed to POB
 
Oh, well, I can't read deleted posts, so I can't make any arguments for it now.
 
for the terminally curious i.stack.imgur.com/jn4HW.jpg
 
Well, thanks. :) But the author deleted it themselves, for some reason, so not much point in extending the discussion of it anymore.
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship CC / @Makyen may we mention some thing for that on SOCVR rule?
 
5:34 AM
@4b0 Why is it so important for you to prevent me from using my language in a respectful manner of my own choice?
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship I am also not native English user but I respect gender. So don't bang. I follow SO rules. That's all.
 
@tripleee For future reference, I believe many good non-primarily-opinion-based points could be made for which model to pick, but if you have more experience than me (little) in machine learning of this kind, disregard my opinion.
@4b0 You're being highly disrespectful of me and my identity (language is part of one's identity). The user in question is clearly a man, and if his gender was hard or impossible to read, using "he" or "she" as a default, is not disrespectful.
 
4b0
@Andreasdetestscensorship Who are you , who judge gender, What's your problem with OP ? Don't judge with PP
 
@4b0 I don't have any problems with him. I do however have a problem with your attacks on me. Please stop. I will consider this unproductive conversation ended now, and will not respond you anymore to this topic in this particular room, and not cause more distress and noise in here.
 
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5:57 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship No Him, I never attack you. We are all friends, don't judge with PP. We are here for clean S0. Don't use offensive linguae.
 
6:28 AM
I don't believe SO has any rules against making a good-faith guess as to which pronouns someone would prefer.
Obviously if they say otherwise you should respect that.
I personally try to avoid guessing and just use they/them for anyone who hasn't made their pronouns clear (e.g., in their profile - I have a script that will show them to me if you do that), but I don't think that good-faith guesses are against the rules.
 
7:26 AM
> stack over flow doesnt let me ask question
Which is a great reason to dump it as an answer instead >.<
 
7:51 AM
@4b0 SOCVR follows the Code of Conduct. Our FAQ says so in three places. While I guess it might be clarified even further that we follow the Code of Conduct, which applies to everything on Stack Exchange, including chat, I'm unsure what additional statement you'd like to see in SOCVR's FAQ. If you could be more specific as to what you feel it lacks, I'd be happy to try to address it.
As to this specific case, given that the specific user has used an avatar image that is quite likely to be identified as male, has a first name that a quick search indicates is a few thousand times more likely to be male than female, and the user has not indicated their pronouns in their profile or anywhere which I was able to find in a quick search on the site, my opinion is that it's reasonable to tentatively guess at using he/him for that person's pronouns.
While I personally choose to use they/them for other people as a default, it's not unreasonable, in this case, to use he/him, IMO. Although, I'd, personally, continue to use they/them.
Obviously, as in any situation, if the person being refereed to makes their preferred pronouns clear, then those are what should be used once we're aware of that preference.
Stack Overflow has recognized that the he/him pronouns are, in fact, gendered. The general, preferred direction is that we should move to using the pronouns they/them as the ungendered pronouns and use they/them as the default pronouns for people when the person's preferences are not known.
It doesn't appear that an argument is being made against that here.
However, I would note that there is a significant amount of social inertial to adopting they/them as the default, not specifically on Stack Overflow, but throughout the world. It will take a considerable amount of time for using they/them to be adopted by everyone in all situations as the default non-gendered pronouns.
Stack Overflow recognizes this and allows people to use gendered pronouns, as long as they use the pronouns which the person they are referring to has indicted is their preference for reference to themselves once the person using the pronoun is made aware of the preference of the person to whom they are referring.
Overall, this is a compromise position which does the primary important thing of respecting a person's choice as to how they, themselves, should be referred to while also respecting that there are people for whom using they/them as the default doesn't fit into their worldview.
 
8:02 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship Neither this nor your preceding chat messages are helpful. SO is not a help desk, it strives to be a repository of programming knowledge. That's why you should focus on the question itself only (is it on-topic? is it clear/answerable? etc.), not the OP. It doesn't matter if they understand their own question or not or where their question originates from ("homework"), only the quality of the question and its suitability for SO.
 
4b0
@Makyen I always follow COC and rules but I am not comfort with 'he/she' when op don't confirm with bio. Thanks for clarification.
 
8:32 AM
@4b0 I can certainly understand that. That's a good position to be in, IMO, and my general preference too.
 
8:42 AM
@JeanneDark :56147745 I don’t believe I ever stated that SO is a helpdesk? I am aware what the original and community curator goal of SO is. I agree with that goal. It was an answerable question. The only unclear part was the asker’s understanding of the subject. I already stated it’s a low quality answer.
I also gave it a downvote. I also don’t think that the question deserves to be on SO. But we don’t get to close/delete something, just because we dislike it. There must be a valid close/delete reason behind that action.
And just because oneself struggles to understand a question, doesn't mean everyone else does.
 
Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand my chat message.
 
Then do you mind explaining it again, differently?
I assume you take issue with the fact that I focused on the author. My goal is to A. curate this site; B. help people. I don't intend to throw new users off a cliff, or similar. They are new, and need guiding. SE's actions on that part are horrible (they don't listen to us anyway, so no point in bringing that up again).
Clearly, the question is really bad. If it cannot be salvaged by the author, if the author doesn't understand anything about it. In that case, it should just be deleted. SO is not a tutoring service, so nobody should provide that level of guidance in an answer.
 
OP edited this to be link only. URL is similar to the user name; is that enough to flag as spam, or just a VLQ flag? Seems like a typical "I wrote an article today, let's go post it on SO" action
 
But if the author can understand their own question, there is a chance they can salvage it. It is not my personal decision to decide if something should stay on the site, or be removed, based on my own preferences.
That's why we have close reasons. If I cannot decide that one of those reasons apply to a question, I cannot advocate for its removal.
But what I can do, is cast a downvote. That is my own, personal preference.
 
I just didn't see how the advice given was helpful in deciding whether a specific question was closable or not. So I tried to help clean up some persistent misunderstandings. Thankfully, the curator later got helpful advice from a mod: the applicable close reason ("it's not about programming").
@Adriaan You could also roll back the edit
 
8:56 AM
@JeanneDark Well, I must've considered it related enough to programming, that this didn't occur to me at all. That's why it's great that more people chime in with their opinions, guidance and advice. I actually missed that message completely, until you referenced it now.
I think Ryan's ending statement kind of sums up my idea, though; a potentially salvageable question. Still very low quality.
 
@JeanneDark good idea. Did that and left a comment
 
@Adriaan A custom flag may be in order, though, as the flag probably needs some context. In the original version of the answer, they linked to a different article than in the link-only version. The username and the author from the medium-article bear some resemblance. Not sure how likely it is they are the same person (in which case they wouldn't have disclosed their affiliation).
 
Ah. Makes sense.
Well, actually, seems like they first got an answer from ChatGPT, then asked SO to explain the answer. Haha. :P
@tripleee That concerns software only meant for programmers.
 
9:13 AM
huh? Docker is widely used for non-programming tasks
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running Docker is no different from running Bind or Word
 
Oh, well, pardon my ignorance, then.
Let's delete these embarrassing messages from the log... mhm, no, 2 minutes passed.
 
keeping it around is fine, it helps understand the overall dialogue
 
10:09 AM
That's suddenly a lot of spam, ChatGPT and non-English at the same time.
 
10:38 AM
@Andreasdetestscensorship yes, it is expected behavior with an empty tooltip
 
(Well, not quite identical, having re-read both. Close enough, though.)
 
11:11 AM
Does this contain even a hint of a clue to a possible answer?
 
11:38 AM
This post has a weird issue. OP seems to be correct in their comments; if I try to edit their question to include the code they posted in the comments, the following warning is thrown: "Body cannot contain "". This appears to be spam. If you think we've made an error, make a post in meta."
Does that code contain non-rendering characters or something? And in that case, why is it allowed as a comment?
 
11:53 AM
Morning
 
12:10 PM
Woah, no pending post flags. It has been months! The mod team is doing a fantastic job. Keep up the good work.
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12:43 PM
@AdrianMole No, it's just a me too comment + some additional amplifying information on the problem + side comment.
 
12:58 PM
 
1:09 PM
@GeneralGrievance Thanks. I flagged it, already, but thought I'd run it in here to see if I should retract the flag (not an SME). But it's gone, now, so no worries.
 
@Steve why close spam?
 
@Dharman Is it spam? Looks like a tool recommendation request
It may be a spam seed but us mortal/non-mods can't tell from just the question
 
it's spam. The username and the profile confirms. Also they already had one more post deleted as spam
 
@TylerH The user was blacklisted for spam. Now posts something that looks a lot like spam seed.
 
@Dharman Indeed. Why not open it, if you have a can-opener handy. :)
 
1:54 PM
funny, because that's exactly what I am chewing right now
 
A can-opener? Watch your teeth.
 
@VLAZ so I have to go to a 3rd party site to know if a user is a spammer? Eh
 
The smokey report was right there before the post disappeared...
 
Obviously it's better to nuke the account for spam if you have that information, but a user shouldn't worry about CVing such a question without that info.
@VLAZ Yes, the smokey report, which links to a 3rd party site
 
you can just look at the profile on SO. It's deleted now but it was one big ad
 
1:57 PM
One of the good things about the MetaSmoke site is that it allows non-Mods to see posts history for blacklisted users.
... there'll be a "blacklisted for <link>" entry.
(And, even for those with < 10k, the content of the linked post is shown, IIRC.)
 
Yes :)
 
Drops in out of nowhere, posts a terse, "Yes", then disappears off into the ether, again ... Pfft.
 
(∩๏ᴥ๏)⊃━☆゚.* Yes :)
 
Better!
 
Snuck in a rude flag on that Ryan-reported post. Whoops.
 
2:02 PM
How did it not get deleted when Ryan flagged it?
Or was I just too quick?
MS says it was "manually reported by Ryan M" ...
 
He's got a thing that delays the flag until whatever script he's got is certain Smokey's got a copy of it.
There's also a fancy undelete, report, re-flag option in another script that Makyen cooked up
They've got the technology now
 
Scary, really.
 
In that case I actually did it manually because I was on my work laptop with no userscripts
 
Quick! He's vulnerable!
 
so it was a manual chat report in Charcoal, waiting for the SD chat message, then nuking it with a flag
@Spevacus I've actually started using this one now that it exists. Previously the process was far more manual.
one visible artifact of this is that my reports show up in CHQ rather than using the metasmoke API directly (as AdvancedFlagging does - but it doesn't automate the other steps).
like so
 
2:14 PM
 
Spammer who spams for just a bunch of places and also posts some arguably R/A?
 
The elusive "a deleted user" strikes again.
 
@GeneralGrievance that guy is awful
 
2:46 PM
Ha! The first thunderstorm of the season is moving in. Looks like a big one, too. We can expect power outages and network blips so, if I go quiet fir a while, don't worry ...
 
I worry only when you're not quiet
 
@JeanneDark Hrrmph.
 
@RyanM Now you're just out to get your flags in before any mortals can: Reason = "nonsense"? I mean.
 
3:18 PM
 
For the needs details or clarity close reason... I'm struggling to write the guidance for others because I kinda feel like others can't really improve the question since they're not necessarily having the same issue... So what would the action item be for viewers? Edit comments that add detail into the post?
 
@Catija This is for what is shown on the banner above the question, or what is shown to close voters?
 
@Catija which scenario specifically is this? Instructions for new users to tell them how to react to various close reasons on questions they find?
 
@TylerH The post notice on the already closed question for non-askers.
> As written, this question doesn't have enough detail to be answered. If the author adds details in comments, consider [editing them into the question]($EditQuestionUrl$). Once there's sufficient detail to answer, vote to reopen the question.
@tripleee It'll be visible to all users who aren't the asker. So yes but also good for informing people who might be older but not sure when to reopen or edit.
 
If OP adds code or clarifying info via comments instead of via an edit to the question, do we want to encourage the practice of those questions getting reopened via other users editing that info into the post? Or do want to encourage that OP be the one to do it?
 
3:29 PM
This is network-wide, so I'd kinda like to encourage people to move the comments to the post.
 
@TylerH we already know that's a losing battle; getting a third party to edit could improve the experience
 
Network-wide, good to know. And that's a fair point @tripleee
 
The post owner guidance I have right now is:
> [Edit the question]($EditQuestionUrl$) to add details and clarify the problem you’re solving. Adding more specific information will help others understand your issue and make it possible for them to answer the question. If edited, your question will be reviewed and might be reopened.
 
@Catija I would change the first sentence to this, which accomplishes the goal of covering both "needs more detail" and "needs specific details":
> As written, this question is lacking some of the information it needs to be answered.
 
@Catija "If you are able to understand and clarify what's being asked, [edit the question]($EditQuestionUrl$) to make it clearer for others." or something like that
 
3:32 PM
not much to add really ... sometimes you can read somebody's mind better than others (perhaps if you speak their language, for example) but that's probably not something we want to encourage
 
@tripleee Yeah, I was thinking about adding something like what @RyanM suggested because there definitely have been cases where I know exactly what they mean... but also... sometimes you can be wrong. :P
The plan is to post these on MSE soon and get feedback, so for right now, the goal is a 90% draft that helps people understand what we're trying to get at and then we can make improvements with community input.
@TylerH Maybe missing instead of lacking? It's a bit more approachable. But I like that in general.
 
@Catija I'm ambivalent re: those two words, to me they are completely interchangeable so if you like one over the other, go for it
 
Would we also want users to move clarification from comment into posts before they are closed? That is, if we come across such in the CV review queue?
I have considered doing this, on occasions, but it's often not as easy as you might think. for example, code posted in comments is generally a mess.
 
@TylerH Weird... the draft I have for the close modal is "This question is lacking details and/or it is unclear what the question is asking, specifically. It should be edited to include the missing information." So I was already using lacking there. :P
 
@AdrianMole I think if there's code, or something that requires substantial work, ask the OP to do it, and then either skip or continue to CV.
I say "or continue to CV" because generally the rule of thumb shared with people is "always vote on the question based on its state right now"
since we can't predict if OP will ever come back and make those needed changes
 
3:39 PM
@TylerH Well, yeah ... but the CV queue does have (and always has had) an "Edit" option.
 
If the comments do enough, I would usually make the edit and leave open.
 
It's nice to afford them some time, but that is not particularly sustainable, especially if you are reviewing a lot of content
 
@Catija So speaks one who doesn't do much curation on the big site. ;-)
 
@AdrianMole I was speaking from the perspective you mentioned where non-OP may not be able to Edit the question into shape themselves
 
When it comes to code, I can understand there may be other issues.
 
3:40 PM
If you can Edit the question into shape, then yes absolutely use the Edit button
 
I don't know that a lot of people realize that editing is an option, so I've always been a fan of making sure to emphasize the edit button in comments asking for details because otherwise people tend to just reply in the comments and don't edit.
 
Problem is that "Needs details or clarity" is network-wide; often, that is mis-used (or, at least, poorly used) when "Needs debugging details" (site-specific) would be better.
But I'll admit to being a bit 'lazy', sometimes, when an "Edit" verdict may be a better option than an "easy" close vote. I know that @TylerH does a lot of edits on the CV queue, and I respect that dedication.
 
@AdrianMole in cases where there is way too much code for a MCVE I sometimes struggle to choose between "needs debugging details" and "needs more focus"
 
In such cases, I would opt for "Need debugging details..." and post a comment that emphasises the minimal aspect.
I think editing code in questions is simply a no-go area.
 
I don't use the CV queue, but my finding has been that most new "unclear" python questions have so many grammar errors,issues with terminology usage, etc. that I doubt OP's ability to communicate about the problem in English competently
 
3:44 PM
we can't debug the text on the assumption that some close voters will mean for some other text to actually be displayed when the question is closed
 
@tripleee sorry, I couldn't parse that
 
I mean. when you see five of six pages of stack trace (normally unformatted) and one line of code ...
 
(to be fair, we do tell people to post complete errors, and that's usually the right call)
 
I mean Catija is asking about the "needs details or clarity" reason; it would be nice of course if there was room for a lot of "the close voters might also actually have meant X but this is what we landed on" but I don't think that's realistic or ultimately very helpful
 
one of the things that especially has been annoying me WRT MREs
 
3:46 PM
so this is not about NDD or NMF
 
is people asking "I have an issue with this code using technologies X and Y" and the example is massively expanded in order to import the corresponding libraries and do stuff with them, but the underlying problem turns out to be reproducible without either
oh, by "the text" you meant that which appears in the blue shaded box shown to OP. got it. sorry, I kinda just jumped into the conversation
 
@AdrianMole I Skip a lot more :-)
also, RIP me, I somehow miscalculated the number of CVs I had cast outside of the queue today, so I'm 2 short. Guess I'll only do 2 reviews tomorrow...
 
@TylerH the queue seriously holds no appeal for me. if anything I've been creating my own queues with searches and sede queries
 
@TylerH gotta keep a multiple of 40?
 
@RyanM yeah, it's nice and neat
@KarlKnechtel sorry to hear that, it is one of the more important moderation tools for the site. It's good that you're able to do much of the same work manually, but it sounds like a lot more work.
 
4:03 PM
@Catija That doesn't seem like it works network wide. The user isn't necessarily "solving a problem". Rather than "clarify the problem you're solving", I'd probably go with something like "clarify the specific question you're asking". But, I'd probably want to think about it some more and try various wordings (e.g., perhaps a synonym for "specific", given that "specific" is used in the next sentence).
@Catija I'd use "missing", as it's more commonly used by about a factor of 3, which I assume would make it more understandable for users who are not that proficient in English.
 
@Makyen Seems reasonable. We use "specific problem" in the Needs focus close reason, too, so if we're going to make that change, we'd probably want to make it across them all.
I think I have all of them in the Gist now, including migration - gist.github.com/catija/65df4e0077c4926cffed2500ca27f46d
 
Tangentially, it might be a good idea to review a lot of the text on the site for readability by people with lower English proficiency, including some of the mod message templates (e.g., "Please note that we require full attribution with a citation/link indicating the original source, and make sure that you clearly distinguish quoted text from text written by you.")
(vs something like "Please note that you must include a link to the original source and use quote formatting for any text that you did not write yourself.")
 
Seems reasonable.
 
@TylerH figuring out queries is a small amount of extra work, but IMO it pays off hundredfold in terms of a) giving me things I know how to deal with quickly; b) being able to focus my attention on parts of the site that seem most in need of repair; c) not randomly punishing me with bad audits.
 
@KarlKnechtel I see, well I don't get audits that often, FWIW, but for the most part I just stick to the opinion-based filter option which is very easy to deal with quickly
 
4:21 PM
Sometimes SEDE queries have audits when I screw up the SQL.
 
lol
 
4:37 PM
... there are filters?
but yeah, SQL is kinda obnoxious in general
that's why I make sure to parameterize and bookmark queries that work
 
@KarlKnechtel For queues that aren't Triage, yeah
(I still disagree with not being able to filter in Triage; it's part (but not all) of why I can't stand reviewing there)
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5:54 PM
@KarlKnechtel yeah, although I heard that since somewhat recent changes (e.g. 6 months ago), most filters that aren't "all" are quite slow to load new questions. However, the POB-only filter option never experienced that slowness, luckily. I haven't tested recently to see if the issue is still ongoing
 
 
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> MEHELP
 
8:31 PM
@user16217248 I'm binning this request because the post has no new activity. We only allow close votes request on posts with recent activity. Also note that the issue isn't how to do the actual conversion, the problem is the OP's parsing of the sub strings.
 
9:02 PM
@tink this has now been reverted, which is the ideal response to vandalism (or mod flags if you don't think it can be properly handled by users), so I'll bin this request. I also followed the post in case they decide to further vandalize it.
 
 
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10:03 PM
Any C++ people know if there's a dupe/canonical for stackoverflow.com/q/10828937/15497888? I had to remove a (rather highly scored) answer from that post, and it'd be awesome if that question could direct to a canonical resource.
 
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10:19 PM
Anyone uses the chat on their phone here? It is really annoying that it only shows ~2.5 lines when typing a message and makes it impossible to edit or see what I'm typing. Do you think it's a valid to ask for the message box to show 5 lines on mobile browsers? If so, I can post on MSO.
 
10:33 PM
@RyanM thanks - I'll bare that in mind for future vandalised posts.... :)
 
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Never mind. It seems that SO is already aware of the issues with chat including that one, but feature-requests for chat are not a priority at the time.
 
11:01 PM
(it also needs more focus, as there are multiple idiosyncratic logical issues, and none of them can really be said to be primary)
 
11:25 PM
@JamesRisner this error seems pip-specific (i.e., about programming), and the solution isn't just, like, apt-get install pip (for one thing, it's not an obvious solution, since there already seems to be some version of pip installed)
 
11:42 PM
@RyanM Please bin it then. Thanks
 
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