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02:25
Is this question is good enough to flag for migration to Code Review SE
02:52
What makes [this answer](https://stackoverflow.com/a/75598931)
spam? @HovercraftFullOfEels said it is, and I see that the answer-er's account is now gone, so I presume a mod nuked their account (although they may have deleted it themself). But, it seems like a totally off-topic NAA as they're not promoting anything and it seems they're trying to get "customer service as an answer", but it doesn't seem to be spam... what am I missing?
@cocomac It is an abusive post to the site and such posts should either be flagged rude/abusive or spam, either of which have the same effect.
03:07
@cocomac Give the flagging history on that answer it appears that quite literally any flag on that post would have been fine.
But, to answer the question, that type of trolling behaviour i.e. clearly not acting in good faith is generally something that can be flagged "Rude or abusive". Though it is possible that not all mods would decide to apply the full red-flag penalties or destroy the account and simply delete the post.
03:35
I realize I should have posted these messages here instead, so apologies for cross-posting, but briefly: while I understand that I might be biased because I have an answer on this question about detecting when an element is scrolled in javascript, I really believe the closure was wrong, and that it should be closed the other way around, if anything.
The answers on the duplicate target do not, actually, answer the duplicate question, whereas the answers on the duplicate question do answer the duplicate target. Moreover, the closed question's title explicitly states "not just on window", whereas the answers on the duplicate target only work on window.
I've voted to reopen a few times in the past but it never made it through, so I believe I am either missing something, or the reviewers were not paying attention.
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier your title edit to add "(not just the window, but any element)" invalidates the top answer, which is kind of problematic.
I do not recall having edited that?
you're right, you didn't, I got confused. apologies
someone else's edit to add that to the title invalidates...actually, pretty much every answer except yours.
I wonder if these questions should be merged.
they do seem like the same question besides that title edit.
That said, some SMEs should weigh in. I have repeatedly disclaimed that I am not a web developer, so I'm not the SME in question.
Well, my concern here is the initial closure. The chosen-as-target question had less traffic, less quality answers (I might be a bit biased about this, but I would argue the details in Nick Craver's answer and mine are better than the other ones)
The duplicate target question also happened later (which as and of itself is not necessarily a reason not to close as duplicate, of course, but still has some weight here, I believe)
oh, one other difference...one is jQuery the other is vanilla JS, seemingly.
03:45
right.
which would be an argument not to have it closed, in some regards.
anyway, thanks for the feedback here, I'll continue thinking about it I guess :)
Yeah. I'd defer to one of our JS gold-badgers such as @Makyen on this one.
My primary angle was that the answers on the closed question are more widely applicable than the ones on the duplicate target. I think that still holds, to some degree. I would indeed be glad to know how others see it as well.
also, I promise I did not pay that user to edit the title, however shady that might look ;-)
haha
My totally-not-an-SME response would be that I'd think non-jQuery answers would be more widely applicable, as not everyone may be using jQuery.
So, part of my response to that would be that by more applicable, I think about registering the scroll listener on any element, versus directly on the window element. I can see how people could think that the jquery/js thing would be more of a hassle, and that users should be able to switch between window/any element more easily than between jquery/javascript. I do not agree with that, I think, but it's not unreasonable.
03:56
Well, most of the answers on that question don't answer the "any element" case, just yours. It seems like that might be a good thing to have as a totally separate question - how do we do this for an arbitrary element?
> Otherwise the question is almost guaranteed to be doomed to rapid closure and deletion.
you read my mind on the "rapid closure and deletion" bit.
@RyanM: Well, there it is
in my best Emperor Joseph II voice
is this a Civ reference? I'm not good with Civ references ^^;
@HovercraftFullOfEels /cc @HenryEcker I wasn't aware that it fell into Abusive, but that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!
I would like to ask the careful curators of this room, sometimes I mouse over user profile on question or answers, the profile expands and display a much nicer looks panel, but sometimes it don`t expand, has anyone noticed that? What is that?
04:08
@Hicomputer could you link an example? is it possibly an anonymized post, deleted user, or a community wiki?
not displaying nicer panel question [mouse over the owner](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75599063/how-to-disable-this-field)

displaying nicer panel question [mouse over the owner](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75599329/foreach-item-moving-list-with-same-ids-view-not-updating)
The user's "About me" section needs to have at least 6 characters. If it's empty, the user-card doesn't expand on hovering over it.
This is the latest Meta post, unless things have changed since then.
04:23
That info is also available in the help center under privileges (though it's a bit harder to find now that it's been moved to a 1-rep privilege instead of 1k privilege). In any case, both the behaviour and how to create a dedicated expanded summary are outlined under "Expanded usercards" on the create posts page. It says there needs to be 28 characters that's incorrect 6 will work.
04:42
Hmm, any ideas what this answer is talking about? It's referring to someone in the 3rd person, and says it's a question, but it looks like an answer.
05:03
Thx for the information, nobody is fixing that, it still says 28 characters(although it says 6 characters on previous paragraph), I upvoted that question.create-posts-privilege-page-lists-incorrect-minimum-character-length-in-abou
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine That doesn't look like spam to me. Did you mean to link to the previous SD report?
@cigien To me, it sounds like they are attempting to explain/clarify the original question.
Ah, that kind of makes sense. Is the second-last sentence also an answer to the question?
Hmm. Dunno. But just change indefinite articles to definite (common confusion for non-English speakers): "An author" and "a question" to "The author" and "the question".
05:48
nvm, formatting error obscured that the question actually included code
06:07
@miken32 there are other highly up-voted answers on that question, for a single answer should we nuke the whole page? Given the question is closed as a duplicate, shouldn't we keep it as a signpost? It's highly up-voted, which means it appears quite enough in search engines.
@AdrianMole Do you still need this? The question got closed and reopened meanwhile
@cigien Quite possibly.
@cigien Yes, I think I did post the wrong link. Can a RO bin my flag-pls request?
06:32
@CertainPerformance surely there's a straightforward dupe for that, it seems like a basic NPE type error?
Might be a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/28889450 I guess, but I can't say for sure if the problematic line that's addressing runs before the error OP is describing
@RyanM There isn't one that I know of. I'm not really sure if one should be made for...reasons. Mainly - the "Cannot read properties of undefined" is basically an NPE. It's also often misinterpreted because people think that foo.bar fails because bar is undefined, when it's foo. So, there is something there that needs a dupe. However, you also often get this error for reasons that are not directly related with your code. You may use a third party library and get this error for
any amount of reasons. You misconfigured something, or called something incorrectly, or there is just a bug, etc. So, I fear such a Q&A will be filled with "I updated xyz to a new version and it worked for me" or "Dunno why but it happened when I was clicking a button on Tuesdays. I just added some code to overwrite the Date functionality and skip Tuesdays" and otherwise terrible answers to different problems.
Also, quite importantly, even if this is a problem in OP's code, it might not even be the problem. Very often seen is that somebody tries to use a value that should be coming asynchronously but before it's actually there. Which is a distinct problem by itself. But there are also plenty of reasons for a user to get this error due to a different problem with the code. They miss a return, or whatever. Just saying "foo is undefined" isn't quite enough to address this.
Understanding the error helps finding the source, but it's not actually a canonical in that case.
06:50
Yeah, we have the third-party library thing in Android a lot
people dupe it and then I stare incredulously at them (less effective over the internet) because the stack trace obviously shows the crash isn't in the asker's code
extra points if they explicitly say to null-check the thing that isn't in the asker's code
07:17
What to do if there is opinion based question in first questions review queue?
I did Question is too broad on one question.
Is it right?
There was also a close vote for opinion based.
@SunderamDubey I voted to close as "needs more focus"; it is also a software recommendation request
08:21
@Cristik No, not at all. I think the clean-up script missed it because it was closed (bt request) and then reopened (by request). The latter request got cleaned up, though. If there's a RO about - can that be removed, cleaned?
08:55
Fun fact: If a Stack Exchange community holds an election and has insufficient candidates (say, because the community is running on the fumes of a few users), the system auto-extends the nomination phase by another 7 days.
^ The system could be improved: After that extra 7 day period, if there is still an insufficient number of candidates, it should randomly select the required number of additional candidates and automatically nominate them (including a ChatGPT-generated nomination text).
It could also randomly cast votes for all users who didn't participate in the election.
@4b0 sorry but that is not a duplicate. OP wants to add a page state to the history
09:11
@AdrianMole got it
Could I have combined those moves if I'd thought a little harder about what I was doing? ...the point is I fixed it.
Is "thinking about things" one of the expected activities of a Stack Overflow moderator?
just as a marginal time-filler
@cocomac CR doesn't want any questions to be migrated
4b0
4b0
09:25
@Juraj Not sure but there are plenty of dups for that too.
10:17
Is this self-answer worth keeping or just a thank you answer given the accepted answer?
@JeanneDark Looks like a pretty clear-cut case of an NAA, to me.
thanks
10:44
But is it done?
10:56
@SmokeDetector Seems like ChatGPT + spam link
@VLAZ What, you mean that's not a real answer about integrating with a service that's been shut down for years?
11:23
@RyanM hi need to discuss this post
@Maveňツ Note that you should generally not ping moderators in this room. But in this case I'm happy to chat, what's up?
11:53
> 37 More Shocking jQuery Plugins
I... wow. That sure is a title for an article.
much like the once popular "you'll poop your pants when you see how shamelessly we click-baited you" series of articles
@RyanM Is that a reply to the same message the reply is to?
And looked through the article. Got to number 7-10-ish and I wasn't shocked. Nor even buzzed. The existence of a jQuery accordion plugin is not actually exciting or unusual.
@VLAZ um...not sure how I messed that one up, frankly... fixed.
You did catch me in a loop. That did shock me. I was trying to figure out what the reply was to and clicking but nothing seemed to be happening.
So, you know - if ever I need to be stopped before I destroy the world, you can probably just hand me a piece of paper with "turn to the other side" written on both sides.
13:10
If those last 3 SD reports are TP then there's a lot more where they came from!
(Or maybe not - moved the discussion to Charcoal HQ.)
13:27
@Adriaan Since this is a linking and not a compilation error there really doesn not need to be any code, a list of dependencies could be helpful but really isn't necessary either.
Can a RO bin this please? As per cafce25's reply (cc @NathanOliver)
@Adriaan binned
Is this on-topic here? Looks POB and possibly belonging on CS.SE
@Adriaan CS.SE might be a better fit but it still might be POB there. If I were to cv it, it would use POB
15:27
@Adriaan That is an opinion-based question, yes
@Catija If you close a question with no answers it says "This question already exists:" (screenshot) so it seems a dev already addressed that issue somewhere along the line.
@HenryEcker Ah. Sweet! Then I just need to make sure we don't override that somehow.
@HenryEcker aha, this solves that "problem" nicely
15:59
PS @Catija it would be great if we could move around the modal window in the Reopen queue like we can in the Close queue. This red box should be click-and-draggable
Sometimes I want to re-read a part of the question after the modal is open to make sure, but closing the modal and then reopening it is slow. Or at least it feels slow. Especially with the system-induced delays "you can only open the modal window once every blah blah seconds" (encountered often if one misclicks and accidentally closes it, too)
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@TylerH That's what often happen with me, sometimes I clicked on some another reason.
@TylerH MSE feature request?
@TylerH I'd honestly be interested in how intensive it would be on SE's side (server-wise or w/e) to either reduce or remove that limitation. 5 seconds is a little annoying when you accidentally close the dialog(s)
Apparently having modals that move is non-standard... as is having modals that don't grey-out the content behind them.
If that's the case, I feel like we just need a different term than "modal". :P
@Catija There was one on MSO... but I can't find it
Google still shows the cached result though i.sstatic.net/YlIqP.png
16:08
Hmmm... looks like we thought we fixed it at some point - meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369013/…
Hey, what a smart guy
Ugh, yes the modals absolutely need to be draggable! — TylerH Aug 26, 2021 at 18:28
@Catija Well, the need for a non-standard implementation here is because the close/flag dialogs are typically interacted with in accordance with the content that's immediately behind them.
@Catija no, that one is similar but it seems to be about auto-closure, not ability to move
@Catija a modal traditionally is a window that pops up on top of an existing window and requires you to interact with it before it closes... or at least, once you interact with it, it closes (e.g. its appearance is contingent on the mode of use currently applied to the page). In contrast with a modeless window that stays popped up no matter how you continue to use the original page.
I say that to say that whether a modal greys out the contents behind it, or is movable, is an implementation detail, not inherent in the concept
@TylerH Weird... I wonder if there's something going on with Google because the first part of the quote in that image is identical... it's just the second half that's not there...
16:13
Yeah, I think the question that was cached by Google was simply deleted (or edited)
or maybe it's so old that it was migrated to MSE when that was created
Apropos of review queues, there are still a lot of unresolved things (or at least, listed as unresolved) in this table about responses to the overhaul that went live 1.5 years ago... if any devs are bored... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369013/…
@TylerH The rest of the text appears to be from Please make the close dialog on Teams draggable
@TylerH also recommending deletion from FA/LA still doesn't, uh, do anything.
@RyanM That's only LA. FA doesn't have that as an option.
Darn it I had just figured that out and was about to try to edit away the evidence.
But I suppose an option that doesn't exist would qualify as doing nothing. :)
@Cristik The accepted and most upvoted answer is wrong (and was wrong at the time it was given.) The second most upvoted answer is someone copying directly from their own answer of 2 years prior. The third doesn't address the question at all, and just puts the OP's code into a conditional statement. The fourth is... correct! But there's nothing unique or novel about any of the correct answers.
And personally, I don't like leaving signposts that highlight wrong answers as potential solutions.
That's not to say the dupe target is great either. I upvoted 2 of the answers and downvoted all the rest. But at least they accepted the correct answer.
16:27
@RyanM This is definitely frustrating, because if I look at the review history of a given post and see that it received a recommend deletion from some lower-rep user and see that it never went into LQA for actual recommend deletion/delete votes, I know that they didn't flag thinking that pressing the recommend deletion button actually does something.
That's no fault of that user, of course, they were simply doing what the page told them to do.
@Spevacus The easiest/quickest 'fix' would be to remove that option from the LA queue. It never used to be there, in the Good Ole Days - but we could still flag posts from that queue and send them to LQA (or LQP as it was, back then). Now we have to choose that option and also flag the post.
or it could flag the post, or it could send it to LQA
it could even flag the post with a custom mod flag saying "please either delete this non-answer or suspend me from review"
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Yeah, it doesn't need to be there. Requesting that it function the same as a LQP flag or to otherwise intentionally/explicitly send it to LQA would probably be more annoying than the dev time is worth, IMO, when flagging already accomplishes the same thing and is available in that review page.
But that gets confusing: For those who have the full "Delete" option, they would then be both flagging and helping it through the LQA queue. And others (in the Meta post, notably a bespectacled mod) don't like the idea of shuffling posts between queues.
@RyanM Ah, maybe the fact that it was only closed 3 days ago has something to do with why it is still cached by Google
closed questions, while not ignored by Google, do probably have some effect on search results
16:35
Of course, for those who do have the "Delete" option, they would still have the "delete" linky-button, if they wanted to take that action (it just wouldn't be available for zero-scored posts ... but there's even a way round that).
Ah, right. I also dislike that, as a user who has access to Low Quality Posts queue (and can thus use actual recommend deletion votes to work towards post deletion) my "Recommend Deletion" button in LA doesn't function as a way to actually help the post get deleted. If all it does is pass it to the next queue, I'd like it to also carry some deletion weight.
to be fair the queue works entirely correctly if you're a moderator.
(which is, now that I think about it, probably how it got shipped in this state...)
OK. So, can you lend reviewers your diamonds when they are doing LA reviews? ;-)
Yeah idk Ryan this sounds like a great opportunity to share the weaponry
sorry I need it for all the plagiarism
16:38
I can just see it: A user with 500 rep, on their first ever LA review, nuked the poster's account and then found - to their horror - that doing so didn't activate the "Other action" button.
hahaha
I really don't like the "not suitable for this site" compaction reason given in the queues... it also seems a little new. Why not just tell us which specific sub-reason was chosen? :-(
...now I'm curious if nuking the poster's account does activate that button.
Well, flagging a comment doesn't (but upvoting a comment does). Also, posting an answer doesn't activate it.
Presumably, though, if the reviewer posted an answer they would be expected to select "Looks OK".
old broken system is old and broken
16:41
When it was old(er) it wasn't broken. (Talking specifically about the LA queue.)
There's something to be said about the ability to flag a post but still mark it as "Looks OK". There is the possibility that you flagged for a moderator for a reason that's unrelated to whether the post should be moderated in some way, but... How often does that happen in review?
Flagging the post itself will activate "Other action".
Right but you can still very well not choose that option
Indeed. I can also downvote, flag as spam and still select "Looks OK".
"Looks OK... for the incinerator."
16:43
I am also not terribly fond of the "Be sure to vote accordingly" text. (Oh, but that's only in FA, not in LA - makes it 15-all with Ryan and I!)
@AdrianMole how to confuse a moderator into giving you an undeserved review suspension
@RyanM Is it really undeserved if a spam post is reviewed as "Looks OK"?
I mean the really important thing is to flag it as spam
In LQA, Looks OK is like, the second best option for spam (after flagging it, obviously). The best option is Skip, of course, but Looks OK is better than Delete/Recommend Deletion/Edit.
(because we want blatant spam deleted with flags, not delete votes)
If flagging as spam doesn't auto cast an "other option" review, I would think "skip" would be the only acceptable option
I mean, to be fair, the likelihood of other users seeing a Looks OK review on a spam post and letting that sway their own review, before said post is spam-nuked, is probably quite low
I don't think it's possible to see review votes via the review before it's completed anymore, is it?
16:55
Sadly no
Even afterward, for non-mods
which is pretty messed up
wait what?
@TylerH I did look at deleted posts and I can't find the string in the second half of the Google results.
@RyanM When a review item is completed now, I just see "this item is no longer reviewable" when viewing the actual item. If I want to see who reviewed it and how, I have to dig through the review queue's history pages.
@TylerH so you can't see the list of votes on stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/33947409?
OK, I can see those reviews... let me find where I cannot
16:58
A guess: sometimes there are no votes and it's invalidated for other reasons.
often because a mod declined the NAA/VLQ flag that generated it
@RyanM that would make sense, but I feel like I have seen way too many for them all to be invalidations
happy to check a few
Hmm, OK, maybe they are all from invalidations
I can't find any recent ones. Let's check what happened to this one on Sep 2014 to invalidate it stackoverflow.com/posts/24269624/timeline
I will keep an eye out for any that say that, but I thought I had seen some that clearly had some actions taken on them but did not show anything other than 'this item is no longer reviewable'... to the effect of I was sure someone had cast a vote of some kind (close, reopen, whatever) in a queue, but it wasn't being shown to me
@TylerH closed by votes cast entirely outside of the queue
17:07
eh, it should just be completed then, not invalidated
grumble grumble
As I told another moderator trying to make sense of the timeline view earlier today, your first mistake is assuming the UI will make sense. (did you know that re-deleting a post adds an invalidation timestamp to the undeletion event? I didn't!)
OK. Trying to write asker guidance for the needs focus close reason... what do y'all think of this:
> [Update the question]($EditQuestionUrl$) so that it focuses on a **single, specific problem**. Right now your question may contain multiple distinct questions and/or is too broad to easily address in an answer. Narrowing the question will help others answer the question concisely.
@RyanM Yeah, I still miss the timestamps on up and downvote entries :-(
also the accept/unaccept events
Another one in the column of 'makes it harder to curate' along with the 'last seen' nerfing
17:14
(especially because you can get almost all the up/downvote timestamps from the rep page...)
@Catija That looks like a big improvement over the current verbiage where I usually see it (which is in the description of the close reason on the modal window in the close review queue or on the question page itself). Thank you for re-adding the "or is too broad" verbiage
@RyanM Well, if you know the voter... or, I guess you are talking about the OP
@TylerH Yeah, it's the poster's rep that it affects.
Sometimes it's nice to be able correlate likely vote rings or other fraud from other users' participation on a post. That went away for non-mods when they took away timestamps
But yes some of it is still doable by looking at the OP's reputation history page on their profile
@Catija +1 this seems like a huge improvement. Though it should be "focuses on a..."
@TylerH Cool :)
@RyanM Ah, nice catch
17:22
@RyanM True, if it were focusing a single, specific problem, it wouldn't be too broad/needs focus :-P
maybe "so that it..."
I think the "that" is optional?
Also the fact that it has two meanings of "question" is awkward but might be unavoidable.
Yeah, I struggle with these to not overuse question :P
@Catija Technically it might be, but it's generally recommended for dependent reason clauses following the action to use "so that"
17:25
OK. :P
@Catija I cannot confidently say whether it is or not ^^;
Some of my favorite phrases are when I get to overuse "that"... preferably twice in a row. I've never thought that that was confusing but it bugs some people.
@Catija In short, "so" alone usually precedes the effect of an action, whereas "so that" precedes a reason for an action
"I went inside, so we didn't get wet" vs "I went inside so that we didn't get wet" mean two different things :-)
Just like when people confuse "cannot" and "can not"
@RyanM Some people seem to use "question" to mean what it does in ordinary English, and "Q" to mean "a particular instance of text that was posted on a SE site using the 'Ask a Question' form"
@TylerH I just have a general rule to always use "can not" because I'm usually going to bold the "not". :P
17:29
Scratte would have you capitalize Question when referring to the SO concept, which does have a certain charm to it.
@Catija luckily modern browsers and editors let you bold parts of words :-P
I cannot believe you right now!
Bah
I can not drop the subject now, or I could... depends on how well you bribe me :-)
@TylerH objection, switches in and out of conditional mood
I want to say it switches between indicative and conditional, but I am not actually a linguist.
🚽
17:37
OK. I've got the draft for the modal and post notice for needs more focus in a comment on the GH link - gist.github.com/catija/…
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@Catija You just like canned responses :P
@Catija "If edited, the question will be reviewed and might be reopened." - should that somehow reference the checkbox?
FWIW, it's nice to see "too broad" make a return, even if it is buried in the text. The reason really should be "Too Broad" again, but that's my $0.02
@RyanM Hmmmm. It's getting kinda long and I'm not sure if specifically saying "if marked as a significant edit" or whatever is super helpful but I'm open to it.
@Machavity Yeah... Honestly, it's only called that in the modal, so I wonder whether it'd really hurt anything to go back to it there.
I've been thinking about it since @Makyen mentioned it the other day.
@Catija I assume the goal is to more prominently inform people that they could get it reopened.
17:42
Yeah. Trying to educate people that closed isn't necessarily permanent and how they can get the question reopened.
"If edited, the question can be reviewed and might be reopened." maybe?
Does that imply that the only way to get it into review is by editing, though?
Since "can" has two ways of being read.
Even if that's not technically true, it's probably good to suggest that editing is the way to get the post into review.
Everybody can-can!
oh speaking of which, should checking the box cast a reopen vote if the user can cast those?
I feel like if you're checking a box saying that you fixed the issues, that sounds like you would cast a reopen vote if you could.
17:57
@RyanM Yeah... well, I feel like casting a NAA flag on an answer should also count as a delete vote or recommend delete review in the VLQ list but it doesn't. :P
@Catija six NAA flags from 2k users should definitely delete a post
IKR
and any number of VLQ flags should delete the VLQ flag from the flag dialog on all questions
I mean, uh
 
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18:59
@RyanM Unironically not a bad idea
@ZoestandswithUkraine I mean really we should do what Machavity suggested but I'd take removing the VLQ flag from questions if I can get it.
19:16
Could someone with 2k go to this page and tell me what the number is next to Suggested Edits? That page is doing something odd for me. Thanks!
@cocomac 495 posts
@cocomac Do you mean how many posts?
It's 489
For the record, you're not gonna get a one true answer out of it. It fluctuates rapidly
Hi Zoe ;)
19:19
Yep. For me it shows 373 but says the queue is full whenever I try to edit posts on SO main. I've had this happen before, unfortunately...
just earn 2k rep
@cocomac Your number excludes tag wiki edits IIRC
@RyanM Yes, the condition is my bribe :-P
@jmoerdyk which is a silly number to restrict to when all the other queues can have like thousands
Yeah, excludes Wiki edits. You need 5k to see them.
@KevinB I wanted to do that by suggesting edits :|
@VLAZ Ohh, I see
But yeah, I should go and earn that rep as full editing privileges would be very useful
19:21
@cocomac well, you'll be working for a while then :-)
Yes all the members which told you around 480+, all have 5k+ reputation, including me.
For the record, you can't get to 2k with edits alone. The rep from edits is capped to 1k.
my suggested edits earned me 0 rep
> You have no suggestions
Is it allowed to share emoji in this chatroom? Or simply these ;), :), ;(, :(, |-_-|.
@TylerH In the relatively near future, I should release a userscript which changes all of these from displaying errors to just transparently to the user waiting for the required time and re-requesting. Feel free to bug/remind me about it.
19:26
So far noone's complained about me posting emoji's here
@cocomac Please see §6 of the SOCVR FAQ
fixed it for you (but yeah what Turing85 said)
what if the onebox is a chat easteregg
@SunderamDubey (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
19:50
@Turing85 Sorry about that - I’ll re-go through the SOCVR rules later today
@cocomac For the record, you need 5k to see the full number because you won't see the count for tag wiki and tag wiki excerpt edits without that. Also if it's an active reviewer and they've skipped tasks those will not show up in the number either. There's really no way 100% surefire way to know the actual number of tasks in the queue.
Ah, I see this was already covered... I should've read a bit further.
20:05
@Makyen Hi, this is me bugging/reminding you about it (-:
Do you mean "making the thing transparent so a user doesn't see the error message"? Or killing the message and trying again automatically via JS to open it when the timer has elapsed?
20:22
@TylerH I mean, the initial AJAX request from SE's code is intercepted in the process of receiving the response. If it's recognized that the response from SE indicates an error due to an SE-typical rate limit occurred, with an indication of how many seconds it's necessary to wait, then after that many seconds have elapsed, an identical request is sent to the server. If the new response doesn't indicate that a further delay is necessary, then the new response is passed as the response to the initial request. From the application's POV, the original request just took a while to complete. If it's necessary to delay multiple times, then it does so, up to N times.
@Makyen oh, duh, of course it is a client-side thing
SO would have crashed long ago with how frequently I click those buttons and get rate-limited by that delay message
if it were server-side
the worst is the comment flag one
@TylerH It is a server-side restriction. The server sends a response saying that you're rate limited and how long you need to wait, so the client side can tell the user.
So we should kidnap the client-side and duct tape its mouth?
I'll bring the whoopie cushion and the tape, you bring the chair
Between the two of us we might just be able to load the modal more than once every half a day
20:37
just get hired as a dev and fix it
but then what am I gonna do with this whoopie cushion?
@TylerH Use it in the interview. It's how you'd get hired.
Genius
21:10
@TylerH SO employs a man named Juice. You'd fit right in
I miss the old Employees page where employees were listed and had photos (if they so chose) and many had non-photograph avatars listed instead
If I ran the company I would bring that back for sure
There's over 500 people now. That's a lot of photos to organize.
i miss when Q&A was the goal
@Catija Well, most were done, it was just a 'update it once' whenever someone was hired :-)
But yes it would be moderately more work to rebuild it
a template and a dynamic form would probably be a couple days of work for an intern, including loading the data in once compiled
The way they have it on Discourse's website now is cute - they have little bust drawings of the staff. And the GIFs we used to have were the super awesome-est thing.
21:20
One day it just disappeared, without any explanation AFAIK. I mean, I'm sure there was a reason, and there definitely is reason to not expose that kind of thing, if employees are being stalked or harassed, for example.
I just recall it as a really nice thing, albeit small, in terms of humanizing the people behind the company
It disappeared the day of the layoffs in ... 2018? When Pops was laid off.
To give privacy to people who had been let go.
Maybe 2017...
The page I'm thinking of was probably gone around that time
2017/2018
Yeah, it's not a question. I know that's why it was dropped.
The question was the year. :P
I was just a Tavern denizen at that time but I'm pretty sure that's what Shog said, either there or in the TL.
Yep, that's the reason I, also, recall being stated for its removal.
21:27
Yeah, found it, the /company/team page
Bummer
21:41
Anyone got anything fun to delete?
@Dharman
@Dharman I mean, if you're asking stackoverflow.com/questions/4395467/…
just a random bookmark from my 'to delete' folder
nice
If you want something more involved I have a pending plagiarism mod 6-month-old flag for the deletion of this answer stackoverflow.com/questions/28417056/…
21:50
I am not in the mood to handle plagiarism today
22:46
@Dharman But is that really your mood, or just a mood you got from someone else? :-P
It's a mood I got from my purchase today
nuff sed
You purchased your mood???? Did you get a choice of which one, or was it just a random selection?
hehe - www.themoodshop.com
22:49
They're all sold out
@AdrianMole I'm disappointed this isn't real. :(
Who's buying the domain?
Well, there's a Romanian shoe shop that has www.themoodshop.ro. :) And shoes are a big part of your mood, is not?
@Dharman I nominate @KevinB
he doesnt' have enough projects
Foot saturation is a major issue in Europe, just now.
23:13
@AdrianMole that's dark =}
I don't "do" the Dark web. Don't even know how to.
heh
@Catija Re: "This question currently asks multiple different questions and/or is so broad that it can't be easily addressed in an answer. It should be edited to focus on one, specific problem." I don't think there should be a "," between "one, specific". It's the same parts of speech as "multiple different questions", so if it belongs in "one, specific problem", then it would be "multiple, different questions". Same issue in the post owner guidance, but as "single, specific problem", which is similar to "multiple distinct questions", also in the post owner guidance).
I (try to) shed light in corners of the web that are a wee bit dusky. But: those who work in the so-called darkness are fooling nobody but themselves. If your 'pal' can see it, then the police can see it.
@Makyen Grammatically, there should be a comma there. I have (temporarily) forgotten the term but see here.
... the term is "Coordinate adjectives!"
23:34
@AdrianMole That only applies when the adjectives are coordinate. You can usually test for this by changing the order of the adjectives to see if it still sounds reasonable. "Specific one problem" doesn't sound right.
Meh. You're being pedantic. In the context of Catija's suggestion, "one" is an adjective (sort of).
It's a quantifier, which is a bit different. :;
Bah. Pedant. {Off to serially downvote all your posts on English.SE! :)}
Overall, I'm primarily arguing for consistency. OTOH, I could see the comma used in those places as intending to impart emphasis, which could work, but just didn't feel right when reading it, potentially due to the same formulation in close proximity which was used without a comma.
I actually agree that overusing commas can make text seem 'clumsy'. But, in this case, I don't really think it's a big issue. Let's go with the option that is more gramatically correct.
23:39
@AdrianMole But, then a comma is also needed in the other places too.
Of, course, it is.
But, yeah. There is an element of subjectivity, here. If I were reviewing a (real world) text that had, "One[,] single widget," I don't think I would make a stink, either way.
@Makyen I think you're correct about removing the comma, although I think that "multiple different questions" is correct with or without it (with slightly different parses but the same ultimate meaning)
23:55
@Makyen To be honest, the comma is there as it's kinda a list but also because I didn't want to italicize specific.
@Makyen "Usually" is not really a good metric for English language issues. For example, talking about a "big, green hill", then the two adjectives are (clearly, IMO) coordinate but, "green, big hill" doesn't sound right.
Yeah, it might be a case where the less grammatical thing is clearer?

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