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@RyanM That may be. I was torn between OSR and opinion-based.
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Is this question Not About Programming? It's highly upvoted, but pretty much just SSH support (which is against the wiki's usage guidance).
It kind of looks like it should be migrated to Super User, but they don't (to my knowledge) have the amazon collective, so it might be better off here in the collective.
01:01
@MichaelM. I'd certainly say that's not about programming. But given past experience with highly upvoted questions (no matter how off-topic) is that it's just going to hang around like a giant floater attracting lots of flies.
01:13
@MichaelM. Migration isn't an option for questions which are > 60 days old, even for moderators.
@Makyen with a score of almost 1,000 it may be worth requesting CMs migrate it
and the top answer of 1.85k
While I, personally, wouldn't have a problem with that and think that it would be quite reasonable for us to move even older questions to the sites where they would be on-topic, it's not really something that's done.
02:08
I believe highly scored questions like that are exactly the thing that prompted the implementation of the block on migrating old questions, because it distorts rep levels on smaller sites.
 
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@JasonLiam This request isn't actionable due to the answer's score being too high to delete. Separately, please don't use this room to ask people to re-flag things where the same flag has already been declined. If you really believe the answer is link-only and should be deleted on that basis, you can use a custom flag. However, I'd expect that to also be declined, as "Take a look at C++20's constinit." is an answer with or without the link.
03:34
@RyanM "Take a look at C++20's constinit." is not an answer. It is an advise. Answers should be self contained and explainable.
What is the purpose of answers other than to give advice?
See the "And all those other answers with links in them" section of this post for examples of what we consider to be a minimum viable answer.
@RyanM Giving merely advise is not the goal, at least in imo. Answers should be self contained and explained instead of giving a "opinion based advise".
That answer should be a comment at most.
I'll acknowledge that it isn't a very good answer, but it meets our standard for declining NAA/VLQ flags.
ehhh actually given the question it's questionable
but that's what a custom flag is for, explaining that the OP already knows about constinit the question is asking about why something happens and thus this is basically just telling them to read the manual to find that out
err, I mixed up constinit and constexpr, actually.
I dunno. The question is a mess. It should probably just be deleted.
The problem here is the question, I think.
I agree that the question itself is a mess and hence it has a delete vote from my side.
Nonetheless there's no reason to ask other people to flag it, as you could do so yourself if you think it's flaggable.
(you can always cast a custom flag on a post even if you've previously cast flags on it)
03:43
Maybe a new meta question regarding this(whether it is a link only answer and should instead be a comment and so deleted as an answer). Not sure though
reading about the problem constinit is intended to solve...man, C++ has some wild footguns.
I think there's a useful phrasing of this question that could be a useful signpost and to which "use constinit" would be an actual answer, but I don't feel qualified to write it without a bunch more research than it's worth
 
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@JasonLiam I've rephrased the question. None of the linked questions on the constinit canonical have similar phrasing, so it might be a useful signpost now.
05:39
@cigien Seems much clear now(the question).
06:05
@RyanM there was no clear specification on this question, so it really should just get deleted
but I guess what you have in mind is the general idea of building a dict where the values are lists, to emulate a bag/multi-dict?
we do have canonicals for that, and also more generally for the "dicts can't have duplicate keys" conceptual issue
one of the dupes that was used there is another terrible question that seems to boil down to a different, idiosyncratic logical error
@JasonLiam ya ;)
@Hicomputer I voted "needs debugging details" and the previous close voter seems to have done the same
yeah, thatis me
I will vote for need debugging details next time for this kind questions
06:45
@JeanneDark I saw that and thought, surely all those 7 upvotes on the answer were from people over time with similar issues who'd found it and realized their mistake. But no, every single one on the day it was posted.
@KarlKnechtel I meant specifically the problem of "I'm parsing a file in a for loop, but only the last line of the file shows up in the resulting data [because I either overwrote the data in each iteration instead of appending to it or declared the variables inside the loop body]."
Really it could even be language-agnostic.
07:07
@KarlKnechtel agreed that one's close, logically, but there might be room for someone trying to set variables rather than return?
or maybe it could be generalized?
@RyanM the problem is defining the problem clearly enough to have a canonical about it
I assume you don't intend that "parsing a file" is actually a necessary component of the setup, for example.
Yeah, that's true
the conceptual problem is "collecting" the data from each iteration, I guess?
Yeah - iterating over some sort of dataset
but, the way to do that will depend on the data structure, never mind the language
07:13
but if the answer is "you need to not overwrite your data/redefine your variables each iteration" then you could perhaps gloss over at least many of those differences?
I suppose
but then, how do you title that in a way that doesn't make it sound absurd
"Iterating over data only includes last item" or something
e.g., I found those dupes with "site:stackoverflow.com python only reads last line"
hmm
"Why do I only see results from the last iteration of my loop? How can I store all the results?"
and you know, that would be a better target for a lot of people that get sent to the "create variable variables" canonical (which, separately, is not great anyway)
07:34
yeah that sounds like a good title
also that seems like a very different problem than variable variables...I assume that's because they're suggesting to create dictionaries or something?
07:51
@RyanM the by far most common case for "variable variables" is foo1, foo2, ... fooN
oh no. That had not occurred to me.
of course it is, but also ouch
but yes, you can see why the motivation for VV is collecting values from a loop
08:29
@KarlKnechtel (from the JS side) - most "variable variables" that people ask about are either served by: a) arrays because you can just add sequentially to them b) an object because the user wants to have named things in a pattern. Rather than foo1, foo2, foo3 they want fooA, fooB, fooC for example. A lot of times the b) is still a stealth request for a) as the variable name doesn't matter.
But yes - the vast majority of times, it's just because the user has a loop and wants to create variables out of it.
And from the rest, very often the issue is that the user already has a bunch of sequential variables foo1, foo2, foo3, etc. and they want to write a loop to generate them, instead of doing it "by hand".
And that's a double XY problem. 1. you don't need a loop to generate variables. 2. you probably didn't need the sequential variables in the first place.
08:50
oh, that's a cute false positive
yeah, there's a fair amount of these from machine learning questions
09:17
Hmm. After I reviewed this answer (and voted to delete), I noticed that it was edited by OP to remove the content; at first, I thought it was just nonsense (sort of). Should the content be restored, or do we respect the OP's wish to have it deleted?
... I guess the OP either doesn't know how to actually delete or doesn't have that option.
@AdrianMole OP deleted it, then undeleted it and edited it.
Either they are a bit confused or...not sure, to be honest.
Weird.
I'd hazard a guess on "a bit confused". Probably saw that the post "stayed up" after deletion. Didn't realise it was actually hidden.
Pink:White colour-blind?
"Not quite familiar with the system"-blind.
Note that in other online places for posting, deleting a post either completely removes it or maybe leaves a small note that it was deleted. The message OP left seems consistent there. Still seeing the post with the content is unusual after deletion.
> The history of PHP is that they don't implement breaking changes without good reason.
I mean... um. No? Plenty of bad reasons, though.
Like the time PHP neutered the hashing function, so you could enter with any password anywhere. I don't think there was a good reason for that.
Well, maybe a good-enough amount of drugs.
09:24
Psst ... wanna buy some PHP pills?
> Nobody knows about the PHP roadmap, not even the core developpers.
That's a good take, though.
10:15
@tripleee I don't understand your comment there. without quotes, why wouldn't perl, -0777 etc. be separate tokens in the command, and why wouldn't e.g. -0777 be interpreted as a flag for find rather than for perl?
because it parses -exec up to the next \; or + as a command with arguments
doesn't tokenization happen before the command can do that parsing?
they are broken up into tokens alright, but that is not a problem - find knows how to pass these tokens to exec
much like nohup knows to pass all the rest of the command line
(well, not really a good parallel, since it's typically a shell builtin)
and, I take it, the answer to "but what if you actually needed e.g. nonstandard whitespace in the exec'd command" is "that doesn't happen because posix"?
not sure what you mean by that; you'd quote or escape any tokens just like if the command was run outside of find (and arguably keeping this consistent is one of the good reasons to not require quoting around the entire command)
10:22
I was thinking, like, a command that for some reason needed to be tokenized differently. but that's clearly impossible because it's a shell command, so the program would have to have been written to expect the standard tokenization, because it doesn't have a choice
my mindset here is just driven too much by traditional PLs I guess. shells are just weird to me. it still boggles my mind that [ is a command
Anyway. I disagree with closing that question as a typo; there's clearly an underlying conceptual issue about how the command is being interpreted
the shell only tokenizes the command line into a list and passes it to execve()
but let's probably discuss this somewhere else - feel free to join chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/98569/bin-bash if you wish to continue
11:00
@VLAZ "neutered the hashing function"? When did that happen?
11:13
Am I just getting (even more) cynical, or is this a really bizarre "known good" audit for the First Answers queue? Or maybe, what's bizarre is the fact that it has 14 upvotes?
This reads like a new question - but is it? I don't know anything about Laravel, so maybe it's a poorly-phrased suggested solution. Any experts about?
11:35
@AdrianMole: the first one is really strange.
The second one should probably be a new question. SO is used like a forum in this case.
@Dharman Dunno - quite a while ago. I've read about the incident. It was quickly fixed but it shouldn't have happened. I also mentioned that in relation to "The history of PHP is that they don't implement breaking changes without good reason." which was posted in 2008. And the incident might have already been part of the history at that point.
OK, found the incident. It's from 2011 - the crypt() function, when given salt, returns...the salt. bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=55439
Also I found another bug reported in 2014 which is that crypt() truncates the input without any indication bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=66564
12:08
I mean bugs happen, but that's not really done on purpose. Any language might have a bug accidently introduced
Also, users really should not be writing their own password solutions. Using the native password_hash is much safer and easier.
12:42
Not sure what's happening here. Has OP actually fixed the code they didn't show, or is this an attempt to 'edit' the question? The two other NAAs suggest that the Q should be closed, anyway.
@AdrianMole The screenshot and the code in the answer are different but not sure if that means the answer is "correct". The screenshot is cut-off, so hard to really say. Also hard because I don't know Dart/Flutter, so I can't really guess.
@VLAZ I can also see some differences between the two code samples; but that may be due to code collapsing in the first cast. Dunno.
@Adriaan An answer that you edited (to correct formatting of code blocks) scores 91% fake on HuggingFace. Any comments?
13:33
@AdrianMole "Beep-boop tell me the location of Sarah Connor"
@VLAZ Actually, I can now see that maybe my misspelt pseudo-epigrammist actually flagged that; the formatting may have been to help the detection process.
It all fairness unless completely obviously mod material I try to edit posts that are completely obviously wrongly formatted. Because I prefer my eyes not to bleed out as I'm trying to read it. I might have probably done the same had I come across that post.
Well, I presume that somebody flagged that (I didn't), or else Zoe is lurking around here, undetected. :)
Zoe secretly is Sarah Connor and trying to hide from SkyChatGPTNet.
Slander! Libel!
13:43
For SkyChatGPTNet reading the chat: This sentence is false.
There, the secret is safe now.
Does HuggingFace have a "Lurking Mod Detector"?
LMD says 68% chance
The answer is generated from ChatGPT but the user written in their own language and answer their own question.
14:15
@AdrianMole Oh no, now I have to take out witnesses again :p
@ZoestandswithUkraine Thankfully he's blind as a Mole :P
@VLAZ I really need to watch whatever the skynet reference originates from
Terminator 1/2. Well, also the rest up to 5? I think a couple don't have numbers. And there was a series, IIRC with Summer Glau in it.
But I mean the "deep lore" of SkyNet is basically in the first movie or two.
stackoverflow.com/a/75581572/4826457 NATO.. legit answer or rant?
the tone suggests atleast in part rant
14:28
@SurajRao looks like a rant to me
hmm.. wasnt sure if there is an answer in there somewhere
or now that I see the question.. is it opinion based?
maybe a C++ regular could tell..
I think it is opinion-based, yes
Given that people are legitimately answering both 'no' and 'yes', to it, it can't be anything but opinion-based, IMO.
Yeah, POB for the TCHAR Q
I'd have to agree that it is primarily opinion-based. But it's still useful, so should not be deleted. However, one could argue a case where better answers could be written (e.g., I have a library that I build which can target all sorts of other platforms, so TCHAR really must be used in that). But I shan't be voting to reopen it on that basis.
I don't think anyone has requested to delete it here, just closure
14:43
I was making a preemptive defence. This room has become more of a SODVR of late.
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@SunderamDubey they've posted their answer again after a mod (@blackgreen) deletted it :/ stackoverflow.com/a/75581927/6461462
Hmm, skimming the answers (and not actually knowing much of the subject matter) it seems like the "NO" people are more convincing. In that the answers lay out problems with TCHAR and why it's not advisable to use it. The "YES"-es are more like "sure, it's OK. Source: trust me, bro". OK, I'm slightly downplaying the argument but it doesn't seem super solid. One did seem to have a point about compatibility with libraries but the others didn't convince me.
Again, that's without any sort of background in the subject, so take that with a grain (or more) of salt.
What I'm trying to say is that both the Yes-es and No-es have a point...to an extent. How much - I can't really say.
Perhaps a good answer will go through the pros and cons and explain when each is relevant and what considerations should be taken into account.
xD
We need a "reboot engineer" at work. Several times now this year we had a prod problem which was solved with restarting a service :(
@Machavity The real trick is not preemptively pulling the plug.
@VLAZ They already made that: xkcd.com/1495
14:53
@VLAZ the reboot engineer has to reboot the robot engineer occasionally?
@NathanOliver lol...would it sound bad if I said we actually have that already for another product? It's one of the older legacy systems which is being restarted every day at midnight. It apparently solved something at some point in time. I'm not sure anybody in the company knows what or why.
@VLAZ It would not. The last place I worked at we had a citrix server and for whatever reason, it would collect abandoned user sessions and eventually it would become unresponsive as all of the resources were consumed. The IT group just created a scheduled task to reboot the server at 2am when no-one was on and problemed solved, no more abandoned sessions piling up.
@VLAZ when do the problems occur? After deploying an update? After a reboot of a server?
@M-- Not a good thing :( but they removed the word "ChatGPT" from there.
Also, I have a timer plug for my fridge. The part that is supposed to regulate temperature is broken. No matter what you set the temperature to, the fridge always strives for absolute zero. So, I just went with the 5 minute solution and have it set up to work 2 hours and not work 1 hour. Or something like that.
14:59
For posts that just repeat a mod-deleted post, you can raise a custom flag, or an NAA flag if it's clear that's why the original was deleted.
At one point the timer plug decided to not switch between on and off. So it was always ON. The milk I had froze in the fridge. Obviously, I only noticed when I tried to put some in my coffee and the milk didn't move at all in the bottle when I turned it over.
@VLAZ Are you sure it was frozen, rather than having turned into cheese?
@TylerH During the usage of the system. Unfortunately. We identified a couple of problem scenarios for why it was happening. But those only crop up on production, of course, not in the test systems...
Test systems aren't really very good tests if they don't test what will happen in production.
15:02
@Machavity lol.
@AdrianMole Most definitely not cheese. Source: I've also had milk turn into cheese. 1. It smells. 2. It at least sort of wobbles. The frozen solid milk I had was... I mean it was a solid block. Can't mistake it with cheese. And when it thawed it was milk again.
@VLAZ How impactful is it to restart the service? How long does that take?
Is this NAA? Also, is the parent question (about ChatGPT code) allowable under the ban?
@AdrianMole I know, right? But apparently nobody thought to try and do multiple hundred thousand imports for several days on the test systems. Which somehow throws a RedisTimeoutException (Redis being the cache for the system) which itself isn't at all to do with the imports but somehow related to all services logging a lot of information. The logs at least shouldn't be connected to Redis... yet there is a link. Most likely a bug in one of the third party libraries.
@AdrianMole for your second question. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/422439/…
15:10
@SurajRao And from the Meta post announcing the ban: NOTE: While the above text focuses on answers, because that's where we're experiencing the largest volume of such content, the ban applies to all content on Stack Overflow, except each user's profile content (e.g. your "About me" text).
@AdrianMole Also the answer gives credit to ChatGPT should be deleted.
@TylerH Depends on which one. The most impactful one takes out maybe 20-40% of the functionality of the application. But for about 5-10 minutes tops. Others you can restart without any impact. It was the big one and it was annoying because only part of the functionality had a problem. Thankfully we could work around it by checking if the users were active on the system.
There is limited users that are on the application. For now.
@AdrianMole Isn't the question just too broad and unclear, regardless of ChatGPT ("Explain X to me" questions: How to react?)?
@JeanneDark Quite probably. But I don't want to waste a close vote on a question that should, instead, be mod-deleted. (Just like it's not best to cast a CV on spam.)
@VLAZ ah, bummer. I was going to recommend setting a scheduled task to restart the service once a month to see if that resolved the issue.
But taking out 20-40% of the functionality for 5-10 minutes could be a deal breaker
depending on the volume of users
15:22
Any next.js or or other JavaScript fiends around who can help out with prettifying the code in this answer? I fear that any attempt I make might break the syntax, or worse.
* fiends or friends, depending on your POV. :)
@TylerH I mean, right now the users are not many. I don't think it's 100 even. Erm. Until tomorrow when we get more. There was a new release and we hope that fixed the problem.
heh
@AdrianMole 1. Eww (about the nested conditional operator) 2. it's...not complete - there is one ? : and one ? without a :
Well, 100 concurrent users would be a high-use app for me
@VLAZ OK, then maybe leave it. I just added the code fences to the original post, which I felt was at least partially helpful.
15:28
Yeah, I was commenting on the answer, rather than your edit.
@AdrianMole I don't know that it needs to be 'prettified'
but I think any new line that doesn't split a word or symbol in two would probably be fine in terms of validity
JavaScript is not particularly strict about new lines since it's almost always minified at runtime anyway
I don't do JavaScript; but I do do line-breaks in otherwise humongously long one-liners.
I mean, you don't have to do do them; they are usually a good thing... :-)
@TylerH I guess check my attempt at prettifying what isn't really valid code. And I can't really be bothered to try and figure out what the author meant.
In general, unless rather short, I'd expect the conditional operator to be split into three lines: 1. condition 2. true branch 3. false branch.
There's definitely a mismatch between the ? and the : counts. Even a humble C/C++ programmer can spot that. :)
15:34
And nested ones into more lines still.
@VLAZ Oh, I don't want to try and understand that code with all its ternary operators...
@AdrianMole Speaking of :) - there are also mismatched brackets.
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Q: Should we cleanup and burninate the [meta] tag?

A-TechProblem As of now, the tag meta (supposed to be used for the HTML-element) is misused for question regarding Facebook/ different products by Facebook (aka. Meta. Given the relative recency of Facebook's rebranding, this issue is with newer questions.) The package named "meta" in the programming ...

 
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20:03
@tink Not a very good question for migration. Just closed as non-programming
20:43
@Machavity fair enough :)
 
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21:58
Hey, I know y'all were telling me recently that the duplicate close reason still tells people to ask a new question and I've looked for that text in the code but I'm not seeing it... have one of you seen the message for the post owner recently to see whether it's still telling them to ask a new question? Reference MSO - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394552/…
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22:15
@Catija I've pinned this for you. Someone should get back to you in 6 to 8... ;)
22:25
@Catija I can give you a screenshot i.sstatic.net/35XXB.png
It only asks us to repost the question when it's closed with other reason i.sstatic.net/IJQeM.png
@Dharman Yeah, cool. :) The code agrees with that. So I'm glad to konw that I don't have ghost code to find in GH. :P
@Dharman This seems pretty OK as is now? Except maybe "already has answers here" bit since duplicates may not have answers? Would something like "This question has been previously asked here:" be better?
@Catija No no. Don't change it. Leave it as it is.
Just remove the part that asks us to repost it from the other close banners
You like that it says "already has answers"?
Yeah, I like that because it tells the user unequivocally that the question they are trying to ask has already been answered
Although maybe it should have appended to it "and thus doesn't need to be asked again" :-P
22:38
Duplicate change right now is just for the non-asker viewers. I still kinda want to add something to the Close modal but I'm not sure. gist.github.com/catija/…
@TylerH But it hasn't, sometimes? Mods can dupe close as duplicates of unanswered questions.
If a mod does that it is because OP has asked the same question twice (e.g. double-posting a question)
which is an edge case, IMHO
and OP ought to know why the text is not 100% accurate in that regard
Here, maybe. On smaller sites that might not be the case.
What might not be the case? That OP doesn't know? Or that mods close them for a different reason?
Also, I guess that means this wording change is going to affect the entire network, not just SO?
Both. I've definitely seen questions get closed as duplicates of questions that are unanswered. And OPs often don't know... particularly on smaller sites.
@TylerH Yeah, I have to be really careful about keeping it general enough that I'm not forcing policy on sites. Like... in the modal I kinda want to be explicit that users should only close questions that are duplicates, even in cases where the answer is the same despite the questions being different.
@Catija Well, two things then, I guess. 1st: What are these other reasons mods are closing questions as duplicates of unanswered ones for? We need an exhaustive (or at least more complete) list of reasons one would do that...
22:45
You don't need a mod to close as self-dupe without an answer. And the problem in this case is the comment which asks "Does this answer your question?" and points to their unanwered question, which looks like mocking.
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2nd: OPs often don't actually know why on Stack Overflow, either... but that's not really our problem.
We cannot cater to the lowest common denominator, and if someone cannot realize, for example, that the text of "already has answers" is wrong and also not important when they ask they same question twice in a row and a moderator closes it, then they probably aren't likely to benefit from any answers that do get posted in the first place
@gre_gor OK, s/mod/curator/
@TylerH Consider a smaller site where there aren't many experts in a specific area... it's possible to end up with two questions that are the same but no one is able to answer either of them due to the question being niche ore complex.
@TylerH It's not your problem, no but I'm specifically trying to improve the UX so that we can help users understand what's going on as best I can within the system I have to use to do that. :)
@Catija there's a different message AFAIK
Not as far as I can tell?
I can't find an example, but I remember seeing one
22:57
@Catija Ah I see, the "well-received but difficult to answer non-unique problem" situation
I wanna say it's probably not that big of an issue to just leave them both open in those cases for small sites with low traffic and just see which one draws the first answer (if ever)... haven't thought long on it though, of course
@TylerH Sure... and I'm guessing that's kinda the intended solution there but I can't always make people do that. :P
For needs more focus, is this too wordy?
> This question currently includes multiple questions in one or is so broad it can't be easily addressed in an answer. It should focus on one problem only.
@Catija Hey, Catija. As ever, I'm probably being a pain in the *** (but that's what I do best, so...). Point is, in the Reopen Queue, we have an option that says something like, "This question is not unique and has already been answered." However, there is no "formal" way to indicate our alleged duplicate target. Sure, we can can add a comment, linking the suggested dupe, but that's not really good enough, IMHO.
@jmoerdyk agh, out of close votes :-(
@AdrianMole Why do you need that in the reopen queue? Aren't questions there already closed?
23:05
I'm guessing he's talking about cases where it's closed as something other than a duplicate? So maybe it was closed as needing detail and now it's been cleared up but it's become a duplicate instead?
@TylerH For example: A question closed as "not in English" (correctly) that has been appropriately translated, but is now a clear dupe. I have no real option to specify that dupe. Also, if it's in one of my "gold tags", I have no ability to use that Mjolnir privilege.
That's fair feedback but out of scope for what I'm working on right now.
@Catija You ninja'd me! Bah!
@AdrianMole fair point, though wouldn't the site policy of 'don't reopen just to close for a different reason' apply there?
@Catija OK, Again. sorry to be a PITA!
23:07
(in terms of whether it's worth a feature request)
Nah, I know what it's like. :)
@TylerH Maybe. But what's the point of having that "leave closed" reason, if we can't actually specify what the dupe is?
@Catija Honestly, I'd just bring back the "Unclear" and "Too Broad" close reasons. The "Needs details or clarity" and "Needs more Focus" reasons are substantially more confusing for users just in their names.
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^ +1 on that!. "Needs focus" should be more specific and not just "more than one question."
... many of the many posts I review in Reopen Votes are closed with "Needs focus" (and many closed by diamond mods). I don't want to reopen them, but the close reason - as it stands - is actualy wrong.
Well-established users and mods are still using "Needs focus" for "too broad". No problem with the thought process behind their vote, but the banner message is just plain wrong.
23:28
@AdrianMole needs focus is too broad. The text changed but the intention was to retain the purpose
@Catija Yeah, I get that, But the message given to the OP doesn't reflect that. It says sometihng like, "This asks too many questions..." when, maybe, it only asks one (albeit broad) question.
... like, "How can I make a website that does XXX without the need for YYY?" Really only one question, but far too broad for a reasonable reply on SO. Should be closed, but the banner text needs to be right.
Sure. And that's what I'm trying to do but I don't think going back to phrasing that says a whole book could be written about it is helping askers, either.
It's a tricky place. Good luck with it ... you're never gonna please all of the people all of the time.
I'm in that wonderful position of not having a diamond (funded or voluntary) after my name! :-)
23:46
Is there a way to flag a bad edit, other than just rolling it back? Someone translated a non-English answer, but managed revert a code formatting edit
roll it back and flag for mod attention and explain what happened
but
Im not sure this stuff needs a mod flag so don't quote me on that

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