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04:07
@MichaelM. With regards to your quandary on this now deleted spam question:
Undisclosed affiliation isn't required in order for it to be spam. Something that's really just spam is still spam, even if the author discloses their affiliation.
The undisclosed affiliation criteria is that even if a post or comment wouldn't normally be considered spam just from normally reading it, if the person is affiliated with the thing that's being linked or recommended and doesn't disclose that, then the post or comment is technically spam just because of that lack of affiliation disclosure. Note: disclosure of affiliation isn't required if the question was specifically asking about the thing and the person is linking to official documentation.
04:57
@Cristik there are even many questions about parsing a text file only getting the last line
might be a common enough problem to merit a canonical, though none of those are especially compelling (cc @KarlKnechtel who's been looking at python canonicals)
I didn't look especially hard to find them though
@RyanM What would be the appropriate reviewer action to take regarding this unanswered question: Searching a specific item with Amazon Product Advertising API which was asked 7 years ago by a user whose account is now deleted?
@karel is it showing up in a queue somewhere? right now it will Roomba since the self-answer was deleted. I'm not immediately sure why the answer was deleted; I believe it was for spam but I don't see the evidence immediately. @Makyen would know.
05:12
@RyanM Thank you. That answers my question. I was not sufficiently familiar with the Roomba rules was why I asked about it.
@RyanM @karel The account was deleted long ago for other reasons. The link appears, at least at this point, to be spam. At this point, it's potentially a domain squatter, but the other links available on SO for that domain tend to indicate that when posted it wasn't what the person claimed it is in that answer, but that it was a commercial site selling things (i.e. I suspect that it was spam at the time posted).
05:29
It this question a duplicate, or a "needs more focus"? Or neither? :)
05:56
@AdrianMole Does it count if, in the context of handling one plagiarism flag, you raise 99 others?
@Makyen Yesterday and today, the Archiver has not been working for me. It appears, however, that it is working for you, so I assume it's not a script problem. Looking at the console, it says "Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 400 (Bad Request)" and "AJAX Error getting data from the SE API".
Looking further, it does, in fact, appear to be a rate-limiting issue (I missed it on the first inspection). That's odd because I've now waited a good long time (through the power of sleeping) since the last time I tried it (> 12 hours ago), so whatever rate limit was in place should have expired. Does the Archiver use an API key? What could be causing it to chew through the rate limit so quickly?
06:25
@CodyGray Yes, it uses an API key for the SE API and can't construct an SE API request URL without the key being added. The Archiver really shouldn't be using much of any SE API quota. It only accesses the SE API at the end of a manual scan to check the status of the posts referred to in any requests which were not already otherwise expired. It should make at most 3 requests to the SE API each time you manually run a scan. If it encounters an error, it will ask if you want to retry that specific request, which would add one more request for each time you retry. I'm not aware of anything which would cause the Archiver to chew through SE API quota.
Right, that's what I thought. At most, I have retried once when I see the error, so that shouldn't be what's sucking down so much quota. And, if my understanding of the SE API is correct, if the Archiver has a dedicated API key, it should get 10k requests per day.
Unless you share an IP with all of us ...
Pretty sure I don't share an IP with any of you, but I haven't checked all the rooms in my house.
@CodyGray Yes, it should share 10k requests per 24 hour period with everything else on that public IP address.
06:31
@CodyGray I'm in your garden ...
Oh. 10k requests shared with everything else on that IP address? Sheesh. So if I have something that fetches data from the API on every page load, all I have to do is load 10k pages? That's... well, no wonder it happens a lot.
@CodyGray To be pedantic: Everything else which doesn't also use an access_token in addition to its key. Requests made with an access_token and key use a separate 10k/24 hour quota allocated to that access_token+key pair and don't count against the IP address based quota. See: Throttles.
Yeah, I've read that page 900 times, but I find it extremely confusing.
It is confusing.
06:46
I still can't even find the "I'm a diamond moderator, for goodness sakes" override.
To summarize:
⠀⠀• Each public IP address has a 10k/24 hour period quota, if using a key value. The IP based quota might actually be higher, as some (few) key values get a larger quota, as pre-allocated by SE. Requests without a key value can use the first 300 requests of this quota, but requests without a key are not accessing a separate quota.
⠀⠀• Each access_token + key pair gets an additional 10k/24 hour period quota. Requests with an access_token + key pair don't count towards the IP based quota, are not limited by it, and are unaffected by using a different IP address. Each user can have up to 5 distinct access_token + key pair quotas active within a 24 hour period.
@CodyGray If you have something that legitimately uses a large amount SE API quota (i.e. it's not a bug), then you could obtain and use an access_token for that app/userscript and use an access_token + key pair for all of its requests in order to give it its own 10k quota which then won't impact the quota of anything else on your IP address which uses just a key.
Is there an easy way to tell which app it is that is using most of the quota, based on the key? I suspect not. I don't have the days it would require to debug this...
07:02
Unfortunately, no. About the only way would be to have a MITM looking at the requests.
Assuming all of your usage was in one browser, one way would be to have a browser extension which tracked the number of requests being sent based on the key value.
However, even that wouldn't be able to track other extensions, including userscripts which were using GM_xmlhttpRequest()/GM.xmlHttpRequest() to make requests, but it's rare for userscripts to use those for SE API requests, as it's not needed.
07:32
Is this answer cheating against the rule prohibiting answers that are written by ChatGPT? Instead of posting any AI-written code the answerer just said to go to ChatGPT and grab the code from there.
@karel I see no cheating, just a very poor, and low quality answer
08:28
@Daedalus that question would even deserve a R/A flag
@Cristik I'm trying to not assume bad faith in the user in question, so while it may qualify the question more seems like it was asked in the wrong place(though the right place isn't on SE).
@Daedalus question makes no sense, title and body are the same, with even the same content repeated in the body likely to pass the quality filters
IMO, that's an abuse of the system
@Cristik I mean; usually straight trolling is easy to identify. This user just appears ignorant to me.
 
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09:43
@Daedalus Abusive flags don't imply bad faith. They are raised only on the content as it appears to you.
 
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12:26
Is this answer sufficiently 'dangerous' to warrant deletion? If not, does the edit that has been made to it need to be rolled back?
We don't delete answers because they are wrong. But, yes, that edit is vandalism and should be rolled back.
Thanks. That's what I thought, but I decided to seek support, in here.
That answer is also currently in LQA. I guess, with the edit removed, it'll probably survive; but, even if it gets an overall "Recommend deletion" verdict, it will still need a moderator to do the deed.
... so no real point in posting a review-pls, in here.
12:43
There is an unnecessary question asked here within one hour, I mean OP asked same question two times. The original one was this.
You can't post a del-pls request on an open question. First, it needs to be closed.
If you think it's a duplicate post, then request a closure as such. It's not my field of expertise, so I can't see that it is a duplicate, though.
Wait let me do that.
@SunderamDubey Not sure what's going on, here. One's a typo and the other's a duplicate typo? Or what? These look like rather "heavy-handed" curation requests, to me ... but maybe a Room Owner should decide.
@SunderamDubey Also, you have an answer to this one, so your close request is invalid by the room rules.
12:59
@AdrianMole The problem is something else, that's a personal matter, at first OP accepted my answer on first question, as soon as he posted another same duplicate question I downvoted that question and I think OP guessed that, then he unaccepted my correct answer and accepted another answer which was incorrect, I'm saying because of the comment made just below my this answer.
@AdrianMole Ya I'm going to delete that.
So, you are clearly involved in these questions.
Yes, Adrian Mole. I deleted my that answer.
@SunderamDubey We don't allow curation requests on posts that you are involved with. Especially considering your "personal matter" here.
Yes, you're totally right but the another question was posted was just totally off-topic, you can still leave the first.
Do we need RO action on the above, @Dharman (you're the most recently active RO).
13:24
@AdrianMole that is now solved, right?
@rene Possibly. Just not too sure about the sequence of events/requests and their validity.
... there is still the remaining "invalid" del-pls request
14:06
would this be suitable for another SE site? Perhaps Server Fault?
@AdrianMole sorry. I'm on my work laptop without US support, so I missed that one. Thanks for noticing.
No problem. All clear, now.
But working on a Sunday without support from the Whitehouse is a separate concern. :)
I'm waiting for FEMA ...
@blackgreen I doubt it. Is that a problem that involves professional / enterprisy infrastructure? It for sure is on the edge between dev and ops but I don't consider that to be an SF topic.
if it's between dev and ops, maybe DevOps.SE?
It doesn't sound about programming either way
14:32
@blackgreen isn't it about how pg on GCA interacts with a programing environment similar to Docker: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/354089/578411 ?
14:44
Is this sufficiently narrow in scope?
 
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17:09
@Tyr While I understand your desire to speak directly to the handling moderator, this is an issue which would be more appropriate handled as either an "in need of moderator intervention" flag that asks for more clarity —although, keep in mind that there's only 200 characters available for a moderator response to post flags— or a post on Meta Stack Overflow (MSO) asking for an explanation as to why the action was taken. As long as the tone of such an MSO question is polite and the content of the question is really focused on getting an explanation, then such questions are usually received reasonably. If such a question is primarily a rant, then it's likely to be received quite poorly. Your text in here was reasonable, so an MSO question might have worked out well.
However, that aside, this room, SOCVR, doesn't permit pinging moderators for things which are appropriately handled with a flag. For more information on that SOCVR policy, please see #18 in SOCVR's FAQ. Given that, I'm going to be moving your message from this room into our /dev/null room, which is where we put messages that aren't permitted under this room's rules.
 
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22:53
^ actually, it's a dupe
23:56
@KenWhite Though I agree with your close reason (and voted to close) based on the phrasing of the question, I think they're looking for a standard library component when they say "native" which would be on-topic (but...eh, it's kinda opinion-based even with edits to fix that). NSCollectionView is in the standard library so an appropriately written question could be written to which that's the answer.

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